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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #875 on: December 25, 2016, 01:52:03 pm »

Lastly, a very Merry Roast Potato Day to all who celebrate it ;-)

Confirmed Irish.

I'm Scottish!! Both potatoes (and that other festive staple, chocolate!) come from the far side of the Pond anyway, originally, don't they?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #876 on: December 25, 2016, 01:54:08 pm »

SA, what do you think about mcm's vote?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #877 on: December 25, 2016, 02:08:29 pm »

SA, what do you think about mcm's vote?

Well, fake-hammers to catch scum are all very well, but I feel like his was an accidental fake-L-1. If he'd posted rather earlier to make it clear it was intentional, then I might have given town-points for it, since we did get something of a reaction from Eevee in the ensuing uncertainty, and we also got JR's scummy sort-of-hammer. Mcmc has posted since JR's "hammer", though not in more than 48 hours now... I'd really like to know what he has to say, even though I expect it's going to be just an explanation that he hadn't realised it was L-1 and that he messed up his voting accidentally.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #878 on: December 25, 2016, 02:09:29 pm »

Calamitas, are you still doing your full D2 read today?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #879 on: December 25, 2016, 02:11:56 pm »

Calamitas, are you still doing your full D2 read today?
Yep, will do so later.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #880 on: December 25, 2016, 07:56:18 pm »

Good point, SA. My first thought is that people should be more careful and pay closer attention when voting, there is really no reason not to go back and check the status before voting. It's so unfortunate, because we don't want to lynch town for being careless, but these things just help scum so so much, that it's hard to let them go either. Especially J Reggie has been super egregious in this game. It's not showing remorse if you do something even worse the following day, grumble grumble.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #881 on: December 25, 2016, 09:42:11 pm »

Such an Eevee response :/
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #882 on: December 25, 2016, 10:35:00 pm »

Okay, just finished my D2 re-read (it's 4:22 and phone posting, so please excuse typos and bad grammar :D)

SA seems like the SA I'm used to (Have played with them being town quite frequently and haven't yet seen scum!SA). So this may or may not be town-indicative but certainly not the other way around.

Opinion on LaLight hasn't really changed, still consider him quite scummy for his weird stance on teamlyle (seeming pro-teamlyle lynch but not fighting for it at all).

As expressed before, I don't like that robz and mcm consider each other close to conf!town because neither one has (if town) anywhere near sufficient information to hold that opinion due to the strength of their play.

Mcm is quite scummy for his L-1 vote. I would say making a mistake is about as likely to happen from town!mcm as from scum!mcm but scum!mcm might have any number of motivations in that regard. In particular I'm thinking about doing that to drive attention away from scum!eevee ("To figure out a strange plot, look at what happens, then ask who benefits"). But I admit that this is more speculation than anything.

Still wonder about pacovfs train of thought when making the mcm buddying post D1.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #883 on: December 26, 2016, 06:49:54 am »

Sorry for not being very present the last few days, what with Christmas and all. I should have time to get back into the game later today.

Still wonder about pacovfs train of thought when making the mcm buddying post D1.

I am not sure where you are trying to get with this. I thought they were already buddying each other back then, or at least mcmc was, and well, it hasn't stopped. So unless you think I was lying, which means that either I got lucky and town started buddying each other even harder after my comment, or that both mcmc and Robz went ahead with it because they are also scum, well, that comment is not alignment indicative at all, no?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #884 on: December 26, 2016, 07:39:27 am »

Well, I was thinking along the lines you and mcm being both scum and planning that mcm should buddy mcm.
Of course it is quite a long shot but I don't really see how town!paco would come to that conclusion at all.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #885 on: December 26, 2016, 09:52:08 am »

Okay, sorry for not being more present during the holiday. As for the vote on eevee I had absolutely no clue eevee was at l-2 before I voted. Terrible play on my part and it was complete luck I didn't hit space I have been gone posting exclusively this entire game. Obviously I still think eevee is scummy and it doesn't change that I would be happy to lynch him,just not in that manner.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #886 on: December 26, 2016, 09:58:44 am »

@lalight (also on phone and quotes are hard)

I can understand that reasoning for me being scum, I can defend by saying it would be too dangerous as scum to actively push for the lynch of both your teammates this early on.

As for your thoughts on paco I think his reads posts and questions are all actively helping push the thread along.

Busses are often early, actually.

I get what you are saying but I don't think they typically continue the way my reads have. All wifom of course.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #887 on: December 26, 2016, 10:04:34 am »

Okay so there wasn't a lynch.  Does everyone think Eevee's town now?

I think I'd prefer Calamitas to J Reggie.

I still don't think so but I think a j Reggie lynch is as likely to hit scum and provides a good information.

I'm finding it harder to read cal than other people I truly can't tell if he's scummy or just playing a type of town game I wouldn't expect. Like I can see him being paranoid enough about the robz/me buddying that he is suspicious of us for no reason which in turn looks scummy. It could also be scummy, I'm just less convinced than others.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #888 on: December 26, 2016, 10:09:18 am »

@spaceanemonie post 872: you asked sort of two questions and I wanted to make sure I addressed both, the vote was meant to be a vote, I would have made the vote even if it put eevee to l-1 I think, though idk I might have just said intent to vote as I did and do find eevee scummy but would want more discussion to the day.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #889 on: December 26, 2016, 10:16:59 am »

Such an Eevee response :/
So my town read on you is super strong at this point. I like that you have pointed out my scum team conclusions are sort of scummy to be doing, I believe robz also mentioned it was silly to be trying and I agree, rereading I think I got a little carried away.

Baisically I think scum hasn't played that great of a game and we have done some good rereads and the towny players (me/you/robz/paco/space) are agreeing on a lot of points. I guess this explains why I was jumping to scum teams quickly, for once my town reads are just as strong as my scum reads.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #890 on: December 26, 2016, 10:19:59 am »

Okay so with cals reread post and his exchange with paco I am getting where people are getting a scum narrative, the posts do continue to seem like forced suspicion with little backing.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #891 on: December 26, 2016, 10:24:44 am »

Vote Count 2.3

LaLight (1): Calamitas
Eevee (2): Witherweaver, J Reggie
J Reggie (3): teamlyle, LaLight, Robz888
Robz888 (1): pacovf
Not voting (3): Eevee, mcmcsalot, SpaceAnemone

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends December 29, 10pm forum time.

Okay with this in mind and all our reads let's come to a conclusion.

Paco can you remind me why you are voting robz and would you be willing to lynch jreggie or eevee.

Witherweaver how do you feel about lynching jreggie, I believe if you are willing to vote for him I will l-1 and see what jreggie has to say for himself.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #892 on: December 26, 2016, 11:24:47 am »

Okay so there wasn't a lynch.  Does everyone think Eevee's town now?

I think I'd prefer Calamitas to J Reggie.

I still don't think so but I think a j Reggie lynch is as likely to hit scum and provides a good information.

I'm finding it harder to read cal than other people I truly can't tell if he's scummy or just playing a type of town game I wouldn't expect. Like I can see him being paranoid enough about the robz/me buddying that he is suspicious of us for no reason which in turn looks scummy. It could also be scummy, I'm just less convinced than others.
Why should that ever be scummy? Why should I be more likely to make that claim as scum than as town?
It is just true that you two are good enough players to emulate your town play to a high extent when being scum.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #893 on: December 26, 2016, 12:32:34 pm »

Okay, I'm all caught up now.

I still think J Reggie is probably the right lynch: scummy behavior is scummy.

My next-most-likely-to-be-scum candidates are LaLight and Calamitas, but NOT both of them. In fact, I think one of them is probably scum and the other is probably town, but I'm not sure which. Their interactions read "different alignment" to me, I'll try to go back and pull up some examples.

Space and WitherWeaver both seeming quite townie, but emphasis on "seeming."

I have like no read on paco. I don't really know why he's voting for me.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #894 on: December 26, 2016, 12:56:55 pm »

Okay so there wasn't a lynch.  Does everyone think Eevee's town now?

I think I'd prefer Calamitas to J Reggie.

I still don't think so but I think a j Reggie lynch is as likely to hit scum and provides a good information.

I'm finding it harder to read cal than other people I truly can't tell if he's scummy or just playing a type of town game I wouldn't expect. Like I can see him being paranoid enough about the robz/me buddying that he is suspicious of us for no reason which in turn looks scummy. It could also be scummy, I'm just less convinced than others.
Why should that ever be scummy? Why should I be more likely to make that claim as scum than as town?
It is just true that you two are good enough players to emulate your town play to a high extent when being scum.

Well in this particular post I was trying to say I did think it was likely you would say that as town. I was saying other people are calling you scummy for the post and I can see a town narrative for it but I think I was having trouble reading you one way or the other.

My later post where I mention I am starting to make up my mind;
Okay so with cals reread post and his exchange with paco I am getting where people are getting a scum narrative, the posts do continue to seem like forced suspicion with little backing.
It's the fact that your reads post doesn't contain any info about robz and your thoughts on me a really limited to the most recent thing, the eevee vote. So now I see more how people think your posts about me and robz buddying seem more like scum trying to find things to go after people and not town concerned about us actually being scum.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #895 on: December 26, 2016, 01:07:03 pm »

Vote: J Reggie L-1!!

Also, I feel mcmc is tunneling me, but I don't know what to think of it. Is it scum lining up a future mislynch, or just town blinded by an early read? I otherwise think he is playing a towny game, but it's hard for me when I feel he isn't even looking at me through the same lense than others. Is it actually a scumtell to act towny towards everyone but one player? My gut says he is town, but then again scum only needs to paint one player in bad light (at once). Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #896 on: December 26, 2016, 01:08:55 pm »

Yeah, mcmc tunnelling you is quite strange, you seem townie to me, he seems townieish.. if the choice will come up, i'll be ip to mcmc lynch.

Still don't understand why he is tunnelling.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #897 on: December 26, 2016, 01:43:33 pm »

Yeah, mcmc tunnelling you is quite strange, you seem townie to me, he seems townieish.. if the choice will come up, i'll be ip to mcmc lynch.

Still don't understand why he is tunnelling.

Eh I don't think what I am doing is tunneling. I am continually posting reads as they change on almost every player in the game, I would go so far as to say claiming I am tunneling is a scummy mischaracterization, but obviously that's a little omgus. But really all I am doing is not letting eevee slip through the cracks by continually bringing it up as well as my other scum reads.

I was never convinced eevee wasn't scum d1 and I think scum convinced people under the guise of time running out and teamlyles weird early claim  that eevee was no longer an option. Scum that quells a day one wagon often is harder to lynch later on.

I will say there is a chance because of my early read I am more likely to look at eevees current vote as "oh obviously he's bussing" but I know that and I am trying to see eevee as town as well. You just really haven't given me a lot to think you are town

Also I want to say my biggest concern with robz is that he keeps saying he doesn't want to lynch eevee and that jreggie and cal are the better choices but he hasn't given his reasons for not wanting to vote eevee despite me asking.

Again I'm going down a bad scum team hole but a robz/eevee/jreggie team is possible they would be playing a successful scum game. Setting up the lynch of jreggie and "one of cal or lalight" aka whichever one town is willing to lynch. I don't think this is likely but it is my worry about robz, wither and space how do you feel about this?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #898 on: December 26, 2016, 01:54:41 pm »

I feel you are giving others town credit and omitting me when i'm doing the same thing (like calling you out for calling scum teams with very insufficient information).

Basically, I feel you are only pointing out the things in my behavior that fit your idea that i'm scum, which coupled with saying i'm scum for reasons that i don't think town would think, makes me feel the read might not be authentic (i feel you aren't behaving this way towards anyone or anything else in the game).
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #899 on: December 26, 2016, 02:34:42 pm »

I'm very glad you mentioned you also said my scum team naming was scummy. I remembered someone else had said it but didn't remember at the time of making my post. In my head I though it was robz or paco but new I needed to double check. I would hope I would have noticed but I understand feeling like I misrepresented that.

I will say my scum read on you has lessened in a way, I understand my reason for finding you scummy in the first place was "good" day1 and as reasons for lynching become more concrete and you are not acting MORE scummy I should take that as a lessening scum read on you. This is why I think jreggie is a better lynch candidate today. And pending more information there are other people I can see finding scummier than you as well.
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