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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #800 on: December 23, 2016, 12:01:59 pm »

So for now, let's go with a scum team of lalight, calamitas, and Eevee. vote: Eevee.

Woah, I think J Reggie just committed a big scum tell: voting right after people (in this case me and mcmc) start talking seriously about you being scum. Scum get paranoid that they are being talked about and their first impulse is to try to misdirect, and casting a vote is the flashiest way to do that (it literally appears in bold).

Gosh, on top of everything else, I'm not sure I can ignore all the signs. Obvscum is obvscum, yes?  Vote: J Reggie

Having Robz as the highest townread and agreeing on obv!scumminess vote: jreggie. Also i agree woth Eevee being scum and the third partner is either mcmc or Pacovf.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #801 on: December 23, 2016, 12:02:27 pm »

So for now, let's go with a scum team of lalight, calamitas, and Eevee. vote: Eevee.

Woah, I think J Reggie just committed a big scum tell: voting right after people (in this case me and mcmc) start talking seriously about you being scum. Scum get paranoid that they are being talked about and their first impulse is to try to misdirect, and casting a vote is the flashiest way to do that (it literally appears in bold).

Gosh, on top of everything else, I'm not sure I can ignore all the signs. Obvscum is obvscum, yes?  Vote: J Reggie

I agree, I am happy to switch from eevee to jreggie. It also helps that I think its likely that vote he made is against his scum partner in an attempt to be early on a scum lynch and turn that into some town cred.

If you think Eevee and I are both scum, lunch Eevee first. If you lynch me first, scum will have more power over the thread to direct away from an Eevee lynch. Even if you lynch Eevee and then me, if Eevee flips scum at least you'll have gotten one scum.

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #802 on: December 23, 2016, 12:03:36 pm »

As soon as I show up again, I get a wagon. Great way to convince people not to lurk.

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #803 on: December 23, 2016, 12:16:51 pm »

I am travelling today, so my access to the game is going to be spotty at best for a while. For the time being, I am happy to keep my vote where it is, but we still have a lot of time, try not to derphammer please.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #804 on: December 23, 2016, 12:19:21 pm »

As soon as I show up again, I get a wagon. Great way to convince people not to lurk.

Sorry, that was rude.

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #805 on: December 23, 2016, 12:25:46 pm »

LaLight a few things have pointed to scum!lalight, such as the comment about gkrieg.

Calamitas basically only talks about theory.  Would probably do that as town, but would be more likely to do it as scum. Especially if it helps us get a mislynch through.

Eevee led the charge on ss. A scum team with Eevee and calamitas would be very good play, but I don't know if they're bold enough to do that. What do people think?

So for now, let's go with a scum team of lalight, calamitas, and Eevee. vote: Eevee.

So I'm curious about this Reggie? I want to not have confirmation bias, if you are town you need anything to convince me. Why do you think if eevee and cal are scum they are being bold? I actually have a theory on this but I'm curious to hear your take more in depth.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #806 on: December 23, 2016, 12:27:37 pm »

Lalaight why do you think me or paco are the third scum with eevee and jreggie?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #807 on: December 23, 2016, 12:35:48 pm »

Lalaight why do you think me or paco are the third scum with eevee and jreggie?

Well, sorry for no quoting (phone) but tou were bussing Eevee and buddying Robz half of the game. If Eevee flips scum, it's hundreds town points for you. If jreggie flips scum, more town points and you will lynch town one by one.

Pacovf is kinda acti-lurking. I was doing exactly the same, being scum in m86, pushing the game forward without any constructiveness.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #808 on: December 23, 2016, 12:44:14 pm »

I really don't like the robz-mcm buddying. Those two are two of the best players out here and they still consider each other (close) to conf!town just because of behavior.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #809 on: December 23, 2016, 12:55:35 pm »

@lalight (also on phone and quotes are hard)

I can understand that reasoning for me being scum, I can defend by saying it would be too dangerous as scum to actively push for the lynch of both your teammates this early on.

As for your thoughts on paco I think his reads posts and questions are all actively helping push the thread along.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #810 on: December 23, 2016, 12:57:58 pm »

I really don't like the robz-mcm buddying. Those two are two of the best players out here and they still consider each other (close) to conf!town just because of behavior.

This is also a "quick, get distracted!" post. Like, okay, I understand what you're saying obviously, this buddying is bad if one or both of us is scum, but you're not saying that. You're not saying, this is bad because they are a scum team, or this is bad because you think I'm getting fooled by my brother, or it's bad because it's the other way around. You're just saying, this is not good, but not providing the reason. Liek the J Reggie thing I pointed out, this is something that comes from scum. You forgot to supply the reason we should actually be freaked about here, because you know we're both actually town.

I think scum may be screwing up this game. Calamitas is the off wagon scum, J Reggie and X the on-wagon scum? (Where X is Eevee, maybe?) Could it be that easy?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #811 on: December 23, 2016, 12:59:53 pm »

actually, creating the IC who can'e be killed at night is much more profitable than people think. Vote: Teamlyle

So I was rereading some things and this stuck out to me as scummy. Now knowing teamlye was telling the truth people who accepted an unprovoked claim so early are scummy. This post came right after the claim and both paco and gkrieg made posts about how strange he claim was and if we should believe it. You are treating his claim as fact immediately and advocating for his lynch.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #812 on: December 23, 2016, 01:03:11 pm »

actually, creating the IC who can'e be killed at night is much more profitable than people think. Vote: Teamlyle

So I was rereading some things and this stuck out to me as scummy. Now knowing teamlye was telling the truth people who accepted an unprovoked claim so early are scummy. This post came right after the claim and both paco and gkrieg made posts about how strange he claim was and if we should believe it. You are treating his claim as fact immediately and advocating for his lynch.

Good catch. Maybe LL for third?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #813 on: December 23, 2016, 01:03:44 pm »

@robz I actually think so. I guess I'll just say it now because I don't think jreggie is going to answer soon.

Jreggie mentioned if eevee and cal are scum they are playing a good game but it's bold. What struck me about this was I actually think cal and eevee have avoided toalking to each other quite a bit.

It goes back to that feeling of now that we have had a day and a half of discussion who isn't talking to each other and the people that fit that description to me are eevee and cal.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #814 on: December 23, 2016, 01:04:28 pm »

Although I'm probably getting way ahead of myself. Too early to call teams. Need to lynch a scum.

I now think J Reggie and Calamitas are scummier than Eevee, because of the distracting thing.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #815 on: December 23, 2016, 01:04:56 pm »


Jreggie mentioned if eevee and cal are scum they are playing a good game but it's bold. What struck me about this was I actually think cal and eevee have avoided toalking to each other quite a bit.


Interesting, hadn't noticed that.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #816 on: December 23, 2016, 01:06:01 pm »

Mcmc, well who is our most sure thing, then? Calamitas?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #817 on: December 23, 2016, 01:06:13 pm »

Although I'm probably getting way ahead of myself. Too early to call teams. Need to lynch a scum.

I now think J Reggie and Calamitas are scummier than Eevee, because of the distracting thing.

I agree, also if it's lalight, eevee, and jreggie were all on the wagon, I think highly unlikely
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #818 on: December 23, 2016, 01:09:18 pm »

Mcmc, well who is our most sure thing, then? Calamitas?

I think lynching on wagon is better. I think they definitely had two on wagon so 2/5 is better than 1/3
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #819 on: December 23, 2016, 01:11:18 pm »

I think jreggie is the best bet, I would love withereavers thoughts on what we've talked about as well as eevee.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #820 on: December 23, 2016, 01:18:31 pm »

actually, creating the IC who can'e be killed at night is much more profitable than people think. Vote: Teamlyle

So I was rereading some things and this stuck out to me as scummy. Now knowing teamlye was telling the truth people who accepted an unprovoked claim so early are scummy. This post came right after the claim and both paco and gkrieg made posts about how strange he claim was and if we should believe it. You are treating his claim as fact immediately and advocating for his lynch.

Well, I didn't believe the claim 100%, i was thinking that he's either scum or actual restless spirit so lynching would be profitable.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #821 on: December 23, 2016, 01:19:24 pm »

I'm not the third. Or first. Or second. I think you should look into each other, esp. Robz.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #822 on: December 23, 2016, 01:20:09 pm »

I'm not the third. Or first. Or second. I think you should look into each other, esp. Robz.

You mean that I, especially, should look into mcmc? Or mcmc, especially should look into me?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #823 on: December 23, 2016, 01:23:11 pm »

I'm not the third. Or first. Or second. I think you should look into each other, esp. Robz.

You mean that I, especially, should look into mcmc? Or mcmc, especially should look into me?

You, into him.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #824 on: December 23, 2016, 01:26:59 pm »

I'm not the third. Or first. Or second. I think you should look into each other, esp. Robz.

You mean that I, especially, should look into mcmc? Or mcmc, especially should look into me?

You, into him.

Sure, I'll keep that in mind. The big thing is, in my recollection, scumhunting this hard is a town tell for mcmc. And, well, it's a strong hunch I have here, he's like the one person I read well, or one of the people I read best, I guess.
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