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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #775 on: December 22, 2016, 06:47:21 pm »

Anyone here?

Why aren't we posting!
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #776 on: December 22, 2016, 07:11:45 pm »

I am waiting for J Reggie to, I don't know, acknowledge that there is a game going on? I feel very very alone in this game at the moment.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #777 on: December 22, 2016, 07:14:08 pm »

To be fair, we do have 7 days to deadline, but silence only breeds more silence. Which clearly only benefits town.

Can you remind me where your reads are at, Eevee?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #778 on: December 22, 2016, 07:17:02 pm »

Anyone here?

Why aren't we posting!

I'm here! Last I heard from LaLight (a few hours ago) he was back in hospital awaiting an operation :-( So even if he's being scummy and lurky, he's getting a temporary pass from me.

Perhaps if other lurky-looking people want an ice-breaker to ease themselves back into the conversation (Calamitas, JR, Robz and any other mostly-VLA people!), we can fill the thread with a bit of LaLight-wellwishing? Then scum-hunting, obviously :-)
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #779 on: December 22, 2016, 07:19:14 pm »

Well, damn. Hope the operation goes well...

By the way, teamlyle, are you still following along? If you are, please unvote and vote again.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #780 on: December 22, 2016, 08:32:57 pm »

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #781 on: December 22, 2016, 08:33:07 pm »

Vote: Calamitas
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #782 on: December 22, 2016, 09:27:10 pm »

ok, thanks :)
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #783 on: December 22, 2016, 10:05:37 pm »

Well, i'm here still here and still waiting for operation (they can't say for sure ig it will do that at all).

Anyway no need to worry at all, nothing dangerous with me :) but i may be partly vla, though i have plenties of time due to the dact that I'm lying 24/7 and don't habe christmas, so wait for reads from me :)
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #784 on: December 22, 2016, 10:06:13 pm »

Sorry for typos also, phone posting :(
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #785 on: December 23, 2016, 09:17:11 am »

So Robz gets a town-vote from you for moving his vote in the run-up to a deadline, but I get suspicion for even talking about moving my own vote?

Well, but I think that makes objective sense. And no, it wasn't right before deadline. Look back, I was around and really trying to get something else going, and even moved my vote with a good amount of time left. If enough people had been around we could have gotten another lynch. I kinda gave up after hours of silence and no one being on.

You "talking" about not feeling good about the Siverspawn lynch at the point when it actually is too late, yeah, that's sort of scummy.

But point taken about Eevee, anyway. Although I suspect your motives.
I think the biggest point here is that eevee's post are continually off by just a bit here or there. I don't think its scummy that spaceanemonie didnt like the lynch, I think its towny from both of you.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #786 on: December 23, 2016, 09:17:39 am »

I understand what you are saying about the buddying. I think it affects my tone towards Robz now that he is emerging as my strongest town read and I want him to trust me.

It's just that by Day 2, a lot of the time I find that people are just wildly suspicious of me no matter what I do. So you're treating me like town, either because you have a sincere and really solid (and actually correct as it turns out) read on me, or because you're scum and getting on my good side is (in your view) the right strategy.

And I have to try and figure out which of these things is more likely for you. Definitely could be the first thing, but do you see why I would worry it's the second?

So you are playing very towny. Like with how much of a town read I have on you, I think eevee as towny would also have a town read on you but i think eevee is scum.

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #787 on: December 23, 2016, 09:23:51 am »

Day 1 Final Vote Count

Eevee (1): Witherweaver
teamlyle (3): Calamitas, mcmcsalot, silverspawn
silverspawn (7): Eevee, SpaceAnemone, teamlyle, gkrieg13, LaLight, pacovf, J Reggie
J Reggie (1): Robz888

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With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

Multiple people here have mentioned that the wagon on silver felt odd, like almost assumed/forced. I think there is more scum on wagon then normal. With the low activity and eevee taking a large amount of the suspicion and scum hunting I think scum feels safe having multiple on wagon. I was worried when i saw the amount of people "worried about the deadline" its scums defense for being on wagon with little reason. 
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #788 on: December 23, 2016, 09:31:46 am »

So I am having a hard time putting together a whole team that makes sense.

I have strong scum reads on Eevee and Lalight and strong town reads on robs and spaceanemonie.

That leaves witherweaver and cal off wagon and paco and jreggie on wagon. I think my best guess for the other scum based on reads is reggie but that would put all three scum on wagon...

Here, I'll solve the vote count confusion. vote: Silverspawn
This is a really really scummy hammer, I thought it then and I think it now.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #789 on: December 23, 2016, 11:26:43 am »

It's OK now, I'm here!

Time to get started on a reads list. It might not be that great but maybe it'll give me some insights.

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #790 on: December 23, 2016, 11:31:58 am »

Here, I'll solve the vote count confusion. vote: Silverspawn
This is a really really scummy hammer, I thought it then and I think it now.

It is. It's SO scummy that it's almost just a straightforwardly bad play. Is the scum team THAT worried about what silverspawn might say that it was worth hammering him in such incriminating fashion? If J Reggie is scum he's just playing an absolutely abysmal scum game (no offense intended!). So the question becomes, is that possible? Or is he just sort of scummy-seeming town?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #791 on: December 23, 2016, 11:33:18 am »

Day 1 Final Vote Count

Eevee (1): Witherweaver
teamlyle (3): Calamitas, mcmcsalot, silverspawn
silverspawn (7): Eevee, SpaceAnemone, teamlyle, gkrieg13, LaLight, pacovf, J Reggie
J Reggie (1): Robz888

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With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

Multiple people here have mentioned that the wagon on silver felt odd, like almost assumed/forced. I think there is more scum on wagon then normal. With the low activity and eevee taking a large amount of the suspicion and scum hunting I think scum feels safe having multiple on wagon. I was worried when i saw the amount of people "worried about the deadline" its scums defense for being on wagon with little reason.

Looking at it again, if you and I are pretty confident in each other not being scum, and we think there's one scum off wagon, we have a 50% chance. It's WW or Calamitas. I guess I'm not actually sure where I lean there, though. I would have said WW for sure, but man Calamitas is not doing anything but theory talk.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #792 on: December 23, 2016, 11:38:28 am »

LaLight a few things have pointed to scum!lalight, such as the comment about gkrieg.

Calamitas basically only talks about theory.  Would probably do that as town, but would be more likely to do it as scum. Especially if it helps us get a mislynch through.

Witherweaver unhelpful as usual. Probably town though.

Robz888 is sneaky. I don't have as strong a scum read on him as I did.

SpaceAnemone very helpful as usual. I want to think they're town.

Eevee led the charge on ss. A scum team with Eevee and calamitas would be very good play, but I don't know if they're bold enough to do that. What do people think?

mcmcsalot is scumreading me now :(. Not sure what to think

pacovf one of the only people pushing the game forward. Let's keep him.


So for now, let's go with a scum team of lalight, calamitas, and Eevee. vote: Eevee.

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #793 on: December 23, 2016, 11:40:12 am »

Here, I'll solve the vote count confusion. vote: Silverspawn
This is a really really scummy hammer, I thought it then and I think it now.

It is. It's SO scummy that it's almost just a straightforwardly bad play. Is the scum team THAT worried about what silverspawn might say that it was worth hammering him in such incriminating fashion? If J Reggie is scum he's just playing an absolutely abysmal scum game (no offense intended!). So the question becomes, is that possible? Or is he just sort of scummy-seeming town?

No offense taken, since I'm not scum. I really wanted to hammer ss though. Sorry he was town, but there wasn't much of another option at that point.

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #794 on: December 23, 2016, 11:41:59 am »

Here, I'll solve the vote count confusion. vote: Silverspawn
This is a really really scummy hammer, I thought it then and I think it now.

It is. It's SO scummy that it's almost just a straightforwardly bad play. Is the scum team THAT worried about what silverspawn might say that it was worth hammering him in such incriminating fashion? If J Reggie is scum he's just playing an absolutely abysmal scum game (no offense intended!). So the question becomes, is that possible? Or is he just sort of scummy-seeming town?

Thats what I thought at first but I think the scum team was afraid that we weren't going to lynch silver. I think more time may have lead to a successful defense of silver which would really hurt the scum team. Also I dislike the its such a bad move it can't be scummy thing, the move doesn't make any more sense from a town perspective. It was a bad bad move and it helped the scum team a lot and there isn't a reasonable explanation, isn't that kind of the definition of scummy...
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #795 on: December 23, 2016, 11:42:55 am »

Here, I'll solve the vote count confusion. vote: Silverspawn
This is a really really scummy hammer, I thought it then and I think it now.

It is. It's SO scummy that it's almost just a straightforwardly bad play. Is the scum team THAT worried about what silverspawn might say that it was worth hammering him in such incriminating fashion? If J Reggie is scum he's just playing an absolutely abysmal scum game (no offense intended!). So the question becomes, is that possible? Or is he just sort of scummy-seeming town?

No offense taken, since I'm not scum. I really wanted to hammer ss though. Sorry he was town, but there wasn't much of another option at that point.

not another option, deadline coming soon, it was going to happen eventually, things scum says
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #796 on: December 23, 2016, 11:43:38 am »

Checking in.  I'm on vacation for the holidays but I'm not really going anywhere.  Will put time in this game, hopefully over the weekend.

We have a while before deadline, right?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #797 on: December 23, 2016, 11:44:31 am »

So for now, let's go with a scum team of lalight, calamitas, and Eevee. vote: Eevee.

Woah, I think J Reggie just committed a big scum tell: voting right after people (in this case me and mcmc) start talking seriously about you being scum. Scum get paranoid that they are being talked about and their first impulse is to try to misdirect, and casting a vote is the flashiest way to do that (it literally appears in bold).

Gosh, on top of everything else, I'm not sure I can ignore all the signs. Obvscum is obvscum, yes?  Vote: J Reggie
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #798 on: December 23, 2016, 11:51:16 am »

So for now, let's go with a scum team of lalight, calamitas, and Eevee. vote: Eevee.

Woah, I think J Reggie just committed a big scum tell: voting right after people (in this case me and mcmc) start talking seriously about you being scum. Scum get paranoid that they are being talked about and their first impulse is to try to misdirect, and casting a vote is the flashiest way to do that (it literally appears in bold).

Gosh, on top of everything else, I'm not sure I can ignore all the signs. Obvscum is obvscum, yes?  Vote: J Reggie

Sorry, bit it was just coincidence. The thing I am guilty of is being inactive. I haven't had a chance to catch up for a few days, and I finally got a chance, caught up, and voted. In fact, most of the suspicion on me was in my ppes after that big post. So no, if I am scum, you haven't found me for the right reasons.

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #799 on: December 23, 2016, 11:57:47 am »

So for now, let's go with a scum team of lalight, calamitas, and Eevee. vote: Eevee.

Woah, I think J Reggie just committed a big scum tell: voting right after people (in this case me and mcmc) start talking seriously about you being scum. Scum get paranoid that they are being talked about and their first impulse is to try to misdirect, and casting a vote is the flashiest way to do that (it literally appears in bold).

Gosh, on top of everything else, I'm not sure I can ignore all the signs. Obvscum is obvscum, yes?  Vote: J Reggie

I agree, I am happy to switch from eevee to jreggie. It also helps that I think its likely that vote he made is against his scum partner in an attempt to be early on a scum lynch and turn that into some town cred.
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