Silverspawn wagon:
If I'm reading the setup correctly, there can be 0-2 restless spirits, so it's not a counterclaimable role. The downside of lynching teamlyle and being wrong would be smaller, but it's also opportunity cost unless we really think he is most likely to be scum. I think I have a tendency of giving unforced claims a little too much town credit, but this doesn't seem like something scum would want to claim - wouldn't they be very worried about being lynched "just in case?"
I like Vote: silverspawn better, creeping suspicion from earlier, and I think he fits the bill for someone trying to control the game "from the shadows" without putting themselves at risk.
Me starting the wagon.
SA sheeps, no explanation.
*people posting about teamlyle and how to approach his claim*
teamlyle sheeps, no explanation.
I haven't really checked the odds (even though I LOVE calculating odds) because I don't think they are relevant in this scenario. Lynching scum is better than lynching town, period. Failing that, getting information is the best we can do. Lynching town in a way that makes people unaccountable for their vote (because setup/numbers) does not do that.
So we should stop discussing the advantages of lynching a Restless Spirit, because it's detracting from actual scumhunting, and lynch someone else. From the people that currently have a vote on them, my preferred choice is vote: silverspawn, because he is playing the way I would expect him to play as scum: being present without committing himself too much, and voting for people for relatively easy reasons.
I could do Lalight or SA too, I think.
pacovf joins the wagon.
Vote: Pacovf. Slightly OMGUS, slightly me not liking his first post.
"I would only vote for Eevee or Calamitas if it's between that or no-lynch." (Sorry for no quotations)
It's D1! You look into your gut feelings mostly (esp. when there's 12 players) and you should be ready for lynching quite anyone (being town). You haven't explained why Eevee and Calamitas and also this sentence doesn't really make sense. What if they scumslip of anything? Scum's always sure about alignments of people, we can see it the vividest D1.
LaLight follows this, which I don't really get. Having 2 players out of 11 possible in your wouldn't lynch pool is certainly very sensible. If all of town would be ok with lynching anyone, how could we ever lynch scum? Not that we did now, but you got to prefer your scum reads and I don't like LL throwing suspicion at pacovf for this.
no, if teamlyle doesn't cooperate, it's just like any other town(?) lynch.
This is really strange post. For what reason Teamlyle won't cooperate? You presume, he won't be reading the thread?
Overall I agree with Calamitas about lynching Teamlyle, but after this post i'm inclined to Vote: Silverspawn because it's just scummy.
It's confusing though, because this is LL's next post.
I don't like Eevee spreading votes. We can come to no lynch this way.
Another very weird finger of suspicion from LaLight. I actively pushed for the lynch candidate I strongly felt was scummier (there was still enough time and people for either lynch, clearly). Of course we know now both targets were town, so I don't know what this means. Like, it feels scummy, but I can't really wrap my head around what would the end game be here, for either alignment.
gkrieg, who had been vocal about not liking the teamlyle lynch, joins the ss wagon here.
Lalight jumps on as well, says we need to consolidate votes ( these are practically back to back posts, 17 hours to the deadline)
Robz agrees with my post about the disadvantages of lynching teamlyle
Calamitas and people argue back and forth, finally Robz puts ss into L-1
So I went back to look for this post, I was wrong. It was LaLight who said something to this effect, not silverspawn. LaLight also said a number of weird, panicky things about Eevee spreading votes, us getting to No Lynch etc, even though we have plenty of time left.
That really struck me as off. LaLight is a really good player who pays close attention. I've only seen him as town, though. Him being paranoid about a deadline that wasn't even looming yet... I read it as scummy because it's so not in keeping with what I've seen from, and I've only seen him as town. Perhaps he's not as good as scum and was trying (badly) to feign townish considerations.
I doubt there's any interest in a lynch here, but LaLight just shot up to the top of my suspicion list.
Robz making the same observations about LL than I have
Here is an interesting thing, 14 hours before the deadline Robz switches away from ss and votes J Reggie. I feel this is quite towny, wouldn't scum be happy to have the silver lynch go through and see us lose a very strong player? We can also probably say that if Robz is scum, J Reggie can't be, because that'd be just suicidal bussing for little reason, right? (J Reggie has just the one Robz vote)
Vote count at this point:
Vote Count 1.6
Eevee (1): Witherweaver
teamlyle (3): Calamitas, mcmcsalot, silverspawn
silverspawn (5): Eevee, SpaceAnemone, teamlyle, gkrieg13, LaLight
Calamitas (1): J Reggie
J Reggie (1): Robz888
Upon seeing this, pacovf votes ss, stating he thought he was already voting (which I guess he should actually have been).
ss comes in, frustrated, a little appealing to emotion-y. Reggie states intent to hammer unless ss claims.
SA, who is voting for ss, comes back and says they don't feel good about lynching ss. Again some calamitas setup arguments, and then SA asks again if there is anyone on to start a new wagon. Not sure how I feel about this, as I really don't see any reason in silver's posts to change one's mind about him. Hard to analyze if this is SA trying to score town credit or actually changing their mind, because they don't present their preferred alternative target.
SA goes back and notices the vote count is mistaken, J Reggie comes in and hammers ss to "solve the confusion". Afterwards (but before the flip of course) WW comes in seeming positive about the silver lynch, whereas mcmc says he hates it.
Not feeling scum on Eevee or pacovf. More on J Reggie and gkrieg. SA and teamlyle are probably town.
silver's final reads.
And that's that.
So, on the record not liking this lynch are mcmc, Calamitas (for setup reasons rather than reads I gathered, though) and SA was having second feelings despite being on the wagon. I didn't realize yesterday or when starting going back just now that this was such a consensus thing, kind of unfortunate actually. I obviously pushed for it pretty hard, but I thought it was not the weakest case for day 1 (obviously wrong though), and my townread on teamlyle made me more eager to push this as teamlyle seemed the other alternative.
I think Robz comes out the towniest, as if he was scum I really see no reason for him to try to derail this. WW's and mcmc's posts after the lynch have been through I think should be taken with a grain of salt, as there were no stakes left (for that day) anymore.
LaLight's jumping back and forth and making erratic statements about it seemed the most opportunistic to me, and Reggie hammering without giving silver a chance to claim was very anti-town (would he do that as scum?), but this seems like a tough wagon to analyze because so few people were against it, and because Calamitas's setup opinions kind of dominated the discussion, and sort of formed the opposite view to lynching silver. I was hoping I'd find more, but it is what it is.
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