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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #525 on: December 17, 2016, 09:29:23 am »

no, if teamlyle doesn't cooperate, it's just like any other town(?) lynch.

This is really strange post. For what reason Teamlyle won't cooperate? You presume, he won't be reading the thread?

Overall I agree with Calamitas about lynching Teamlyle, but after this post i'm inclined to Vote: Silverspawn because it's just scummy.
Then you don't agree with me. Unless you are really really sure that silver is scum (let's say way beyond 50%) you should not vote anyone else!!!

Hey, don't shout :(

We have time left, I'll see how this will work out, hear to people. Silver is way scummy, I'm not sure about percentage
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #526 on: December 17, 2016, 09:36:10 am »

To make my point even clearer, let's look into a MyLo scenario with a live teamlyle:

- Misslynching town loses
- No-Lynch doesn't lose
- Teamlyle is still not confirmed town
- Misslynch of town!Teamlyle doesn't lose since town preserves a majority of the votes

==> The only sensible thing to do in that scenario is lynching Teamlyle. He is not mod-confirmed and lynching him doesn't harm in terms of ending the game. The lynch of him provides just additional information. There is no way town would not lynch Teamlyle in that scenario, no way.

Since we face an even-numbered setup, we are insanely likely to end up in a MyLo scenario. At that point teamlyle is just going to get lynched, period.
But the decisive thing is that we can do the same thing just earlier, today! Then, the Day that would otherwise be MyLo would be just a regular day where a misslynch doesn't lose town the game.
And the thing is that being able to scumhunt that day (instead of lynching Teamlyle) is just better than being able to scumhunt today where the chance of hitting actual scum is tiny anyway.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #527 on: December 17, 2016, 09:37:59 am »

no, if teamlyle doesn't cooperate, it's just like any other town(?) lynch.

This is really strange post. For what reason Teamlyle won't cooperate? You presume, he won't be reading the thread?

Overall I agree with Calamitas about lynching Teamlyle, but after this post i'm inclined to Vote: Silverspawn because it's just scummy.
Then you don't agree with me. Unless you are really really sure that silver is scum (let's say way beyond 50%) you should not vote anyone else!!!

Hey, don't shout :(

We have time left, I'll see how this will work out, hear to people. Silver is way scummy, I'm not sure about percentage
Remember the last day of RMM35, don't want to face something like that again. I was right that time and I'm this time as well. Teamlyle is definitely the way to go here.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #528 on: December 17, 2016, 09:40:44 am »

no, if teamlyle doesn't cooperate, it's just like any other town(?) lynch.

This is really strange post. For what reason Teamlyle won't cooperate? You presume, he won't be reading the thread?

Go back and read his posts.

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #529 on: December 17, 2016, 09:49:31 am »

no, if teamlyle doesn't cooperate, it's just like any other town(?) lynch.

This is really strange post. For what reason Teamlyle won't cooperate? You presume, he won't be reading the thread?

Go back and read his posts.

I did and vote:teamlyle I don't believe his reasoning for claiming under such little pressure. He hasn't continued defending himself as I expect town. Also his statement about not having good reads and wanting us to help him get better to better use his power is silly. It's a defense that pulls at the emotional empathetic reasons not to lynch and not the logical or factual reasons, and I maintain that town should be better than that.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #530 on: December 17, 2016, 09:49:50 am »

You are not taking into account any of our power roles - doesn't it change the equation if we have two kills instead of one, or no kills some night?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #531 on: December 17, 2016, 09:51:18 am »

"town should be better than that"

This is a thing scum says because they know they are mislynching.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #532 on: December 17, 2016, 10:01:24 am »

You are not taking into account any of our power roles - doesn't it change the equation if we have two kills instead of one, or no kills some night?
Sure it does have a influence, but not enough of an influence to justify not lynching teamlyle.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #533 on: December 17, 2016, 10:16:48 am »

Alright. vote: teamlyle
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #534 on: December 17, 2016, 10:20:45 am »

vote: teamlyle

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #535 on: December 17, 2016, 10:43:40 am »

Rereading silverspawn:

Up until the WW-debacle, I would say he looks towny to me - I agree with pretty much everything he's said - but then again from my perspective the stance he took on mcmc v eevee is what a reasonable guy would do -> what silverspawn would want to do as scum. Like, to me it makes sense to whiteknight me, because I don't see merit in mcmc's case. YMMV here of course.


Then there is the asking of reasons from people who are voting for me, which, again, I think is good posting. As noted earlier, I didn't like that silver seemed more interested in putting out the towny looking question than he did about analyzing and scrutinizing the answers (remember, he already has a place for his vote in mcmc).

Next up is shifting his vote around a little (Calamitas although that was instantly moved, J Reggie, Gkrieg, back to J Reggie) I can't make anything of it for either direction with no explanations given (and this is really just a playstyle difference I think, I'm a cautious voter, probably too much so).


then there is a vote on teamlyle with a little unsure "i think this is good", which again I think is the scum position - its an alibi for tomorrow.

next up is theorizing about the restless spirit. i really appreciate silver putting actual numbers to his ideas to make them easier to grasp. awarding good human points, if not town points.


Now #495 I don't like so much (it's the theory post about how the games would go if we random lynch) - the whole idea of the game is that scum tries to game it better than random for them, and we try to catch them in the act. I appreciate the effort, but I think it's missing the fundamental idea of the game, which is the interactions between people, and scum having to balance getting caught and working against their own win condition. I also disagree a lot about the value of lynching scum day 1 vs day 2 - the first scum lynch REALLY makes the subsequent lynches SO much easier. I think "when day was the first scum killed" might be one of the best indicators of which side is going to win the game. Has scum ever won a game after losing a member day 1?

-Cites pacovf as his second strongest town read (I think that's fine, pacovf has been reasonable. but again, makes it a pretty safe position - no one is really pushing for pacofv, are they?)


Next, he says he has no scumreads, and that he'd be fine lynching me for the information - the same thing that i've been talking about in regards to teamlyle applies here as well - there is a built in alibi for silver when I flip town tomorrow, and better yet, he can use the "information" whatever way he likes, like spinning on some other town player for tomorrow's target. Also, silver was very clear about his feelings on mcmc's case (even voted for mcmc for it), which makes me even more strongly like this. Like, I was under quite heavy fire, silver said "hey this case sucks dont vote for eevee", and now he is ok lynching me "for information?"


I just realized that votes look way more threatening if they are all all caps. I think we should introduce a rule that they count double.

VOTE: SILVERSPAWN
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #536 on: December 17, 2016, 10:45:12 am »

This is just sad if that was the lynch.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #537 on: December 17, 2016, 10:46:22 am »

This is just sad if that was the lynch.

You mean Teamlyle? He has like 4 votes.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #538 on: December 17, 2016, 10:47:55 am »

This is just sad if that was the lynch.

You mean Teamlyle? He has like 4 votes.

Ok good.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #539 on: December 17, 2016, 10:49:36 am »

I don't like Eevee spreading votes. We can come to no lynch this way.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #540 on: December 17, 2016, 10:50:02 am »

This is just sad if that was the lynch.

You mean Teamlyle? He has like 4 votes.

Ok good.

What's your position on Teamlyle and Calamitas' theory?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #541 on: December 17, 2016, 10:50:20 am »

vote: silverspawn
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #542 on: December 17, 2016, 10:50:39 am »

This is just sad if that was the lynch.

You mean Teamlyle? He has like 4 votes.

Ok good.

What's your position on Teamlyle and Calamitas' theory?

I don't really like it.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #543 on: December 17, 2016, 11:00:19 am »

Alright, Vote: Silver L-2. We need to consolidate votes.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #544 on: December 17, 2016, 11:01:17 am »

Alright, Vote: Silver L-2. We need to consolidate votes.

Is the deadline really that soon?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #545 on: December 17, 2016, 11:03:41 am »

When is the deadline? I'm prepared to vote silverspawn.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #546 on: December 17, 2016, 11:03:53 am »

Alright, Vote: Silver L-2. We need to consolidate votes.

Is the deadline really that soon?

Well, 17 hours. In 3-4 hours I will be afk till the deadlin, want my vote to be in the right spot. I'm afraid of no lynch, too many people.

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #547 on: December 17, 2016, 11:15:16 am »

This is just sad if that was the lynch.

You mean Teamlyle? He has like 4 votes.

Ok good.

What's your position on Teamlyle and Calamitas' theory?

I don't really like it.
Why don't you like it, it is just plain right
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #548 on: December 17, 2016, 11:17:21 am »

Don't put your vote away from teamlyle LaLight, no lynch is not going to happen.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #549 on: December 17, 2016, 11:31:21 am »

@anyone who is currently not voting teamlyle:

1. Do you agree that lynching teamlyle now is strictly better in every scenario where we face MyLo at some point?

2. With what confidence can you say your top scumread is actual scum?

3. With what confidence can you say teamlyle is town?

4. Do you agree that a dead teamlyle is at least as good as a live teamlyle scenario in regard to endgame scenarios?

If you cannot answer question 1 and 4 please (re-)read my analysis posts in regard to teamlyle
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