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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #375 on: December 16, 2016, 06:58:06 am »

@mod: May a restless spirit post multiple votes within one post?
No.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #376 on: December 16, 2016, 07:12:20 am »

actually, creating the IC who can'e be killed at night is much more profitable than people think. Vote: Teamlyle

Do we know how teamlyle's death would affect the number of votes needed for a lynch? The usual text is "with X alive, it takes Y to lynch", and faust hasn't deviated from that in the voting counts so far in this game.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #377 on: December 16, 2016, 08:14:47 am »

actually, creating the IC who can'e be killed at night is much more profitable than people think. Vote: Teamlyle

Do we know how teamlyle's death would affect the number of votes needed for a lynch? The usual text is "with X alive, it takes Y to lynch", and faust hasn't deviated from that in the voting counts so far in this game.

Pretty sure the number of votes is determined as if he is a normal dead player.

tentatively in favor of vote: teamlyle

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #378 on: December 16, 2016, 08:41:44 am »

If I'm reading the setup correctly, there can be 0-2 restless spirits, so it's not a counterclaimable role. The downside of lynching teamlyle and being wrong would be smaller, but it's also opportunity cost unless we really think he is most likely to be scum. I think I have a tendency of giving unforced claims a little too much town credit, but this doesn't seem like something scum would want to claim - wouldn't they be very worried about being lynched "just in case?"

I like Vote: silverspawn better, creeping suspicion from earlier, and I think he fits the bill for someone trying to control the game "from the shadows" without putting themselves at risk.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #379 on: December 16, 2016, 08:52:53 am »

Pretty sure the number of votes is determined as if he is a normal dead player.

tentatively in favor of vote: teamlyle

Vote: silver
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #380 on: December 16, 2016, 09:08:06 am »

hm, not in favor of that, I don't think.

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #381 on: December 16, 2016, 09:39:15 am »

Why do we want to lynch teamlyle?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #382 on: December 16, 2016, 09:40:17 am »

hm, not in favor of that, I don't think.

But you are in favour of reducing the number of players required for a lynch without reducing the number of scums out there, thereby increasing scum's ability to mislynch? Because that's the worrying side-effect of lynching off teamlyle like that, instead of hunting for actual scum.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #383 on: December 16, 2016, 09:40:52 am »

Why do we want to lynch teamlyle?

It's flawless. Either we lynch scum or anyway do not lose the vote.

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #384 on: December 16, 2016, 09:41:07 am »

hm, not in favor of that, I don't think.

But you are in favour of reducing the number of players required for a lynch without reducing the number of scums out there, thereby increasing scum's ability to mislynch? Because that's the worrying side-effect of lynching off teamlyle like that, instead of hunting for actual scum.

Teamlyle still might be actual scum.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #385 on: December 16, 2016, 09:43:31 am »

hm, not in favor of that, I don't think.

But you are in favour of reducing the number of players required for a lynch without reducing the number of scums out there, thereby increasing scum's ability to mislynch? Because that's the worrying side-effect of lynching off teamlyle like that, instead of hunting for actual scum.

Teamlyle still might be actual scum.

He acts like this as town though. And I think he has been mislynched in every game he has been in
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #386 on: December 16, 2016, 09:48:36 am »

Why do we want to lynch teamlyle?

It's flawless. Either we lynch scum or anyway do not lose the vote.

PPE: 1

So how likely do you think it is that he's scum?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #387 on: December 16, 2016, 09:49:14 am »

Why do we want to lynch teamlyle?

It's flawless. Either we lynch scum or anyway do not lose the vote.

PPE: 1

So how likely do you think it is that he's scum?

More likely than 0 and that's enough for me.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #388 on: December 16, 2016, 09:57:29 am »

Why do we want to lynch teamlyle?

It's flawless. Either we lynch scum or anyway do not lose the vote.

PPE: 1

So how likely do you think it is that he's scum?

More likely than 0 and that's enough for me.

All people are more likely than 0
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #389 on: December 16, 2016, 09:58:02 am »

Why do we want to lynch teamlyle?

It's flawless. Either we lynch scum or anyway do not lose the vote.

PPE: 1

So how likely do you think it is that he's scum?

More likely than 0 and that's enough for me.

All people are more likely than 0

But we can't lose all and can lose Teamlyle, don't you see?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #390 on: December 16, 2016, 09:58:33 am »

I think the more important question is, would you claim that as scum?  Especially early, and unprovoked?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #391 on: December 16, 2016, 09:59:49 am »

Quote from: LaLight link=topic=16564.msg662280
[quote author=LaLight link=topic=16564.msg662270#msg662270 date=1481899252
Why do we want to lynch teamlyle?

But we can't lose all and can lose Teamlyle, don't you see?

Just having an extra vote is not nearly as useful as having an extra player.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #392 on: December 16, 2016, 10:00:19 am »

Also I hate the new quote pyramid rules
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #393 on: December 16, 2016, 10:02:36 am »

actually, creating the IC who can'e be killed at night is much more profitable than people think. Vote: Teamlyle

This is misleading.  Killing a Restless Spirit isn't creating an IC more than killing any town is creating an IC.  The point of an IC is to reduce the lynch pool of active players so that you can better find scum.  This reduces the lynch pool in the same way that any death reduces the lynch pool: their alignment flips. 

It's really an extra vote, but we have to lose a player to get that vote. 
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #394 on: December 16, 2016, 10:03:46 am »

actually, creating the IC who can'e be killed at night is much more profitable than people think. Vote: Teamlyle

This is misleading.  Killing a Restless Spirit isn't creating an IC more than killing any town is creating an IC.  The point of an IC is to reduce the lynch pool of active players so that you can better find scum.  This reduces the lynch pool in the same way that any death reduces the lynch pool: their alignment flips. 

It's really an extra vote, but we have to lose a player to get that vote.

His mislynch will hurt us less than anyone else's. He still may be scum.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #395 on: December 16, 2016, 10:04:40 am »

A position you seem to keep trying to remind yourself..
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #396 on: December 16, 2016, 10:05:03 am »

A position you seem to keep trying to remind yourself..

No, it's just no one listening to.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #397 on: December 16, 2016, 10:06:25 am »

I think the more important question is, would you claim that as scum?  Especially early, and unprovoked?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #398 on: December 16, 2016, 10:14:02 am »

hm, not in favor of that, I don't think.

But you are in favour of reducing the number of players required for a lynch without reducing the number of scums out there, thereby increasing scum's ability to mislynch? Because that's the worrying side-effect of lynching off teamlyle like that, instead of hunting for actual scum.

hmmmm

that is putting it negatively. I don't think this view is correct, or for that matter WW's.

Scum wins by town losing the majority, not by scum winning the majority. The latter takes one more dead townie than the former. Since restless spirit only helps scum with the latter, as long as there is just one restless spirit, it is pretty close to creating an immortal town IC – who is not able to chat with us, though (LaLight seems to ignore/not know this).

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #399 on: December 16, 2016, 10:15:54 am »

As an easy example just imagine there are 3 town and 1 scum left in the game. That is MyLo. But if there are 3 town 1 scum and 1 dead restless spirit in the game, town has an additional lynch, which would put them at 1 + 1 + restless spirit. So the restless spirit buys town another lynch if the current number of players is even, and doesn't if it is odd, exactly like a living townie does.
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