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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #200 on: December 12, 2016, 12:00:19 pm »

That's just Eevee being Eevee though.

For the record, I don't think WW's joke was scummy per se, but I dislike his refusal to state clearly whether he is a PGO. While I understand why he wouldn't want to do so as town, it sets a dangerous precedent that scum will be more than happy to abuse.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #201 on: December 12, 2016, 12:01:27 pm »

Yeah. He also changed the subject instead of saying he'd rather not claim.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #202 on: December 12, 2016, 12:01:45 pm »

vote: eevee
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #203 on: December 12, 2016, 12:05:37 pm »

I don't see any reason why I should claim.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #204 on: December 12, 2016, 12:06:12 pm »

I mean, I was never claiming PGO, which should have been very clear.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #205 on: December 12, 2016, 12:25:55 pm »

Yep, Robz and Eevee are scum. And just to be clear, I didn't read the game where they were scum together recently, but I know they would play differently here. Or even better one would and the other wouldn't.
It's funny, in that game I was a nervous wreck all the time thinking they are one step away from catching me. Now that I'm town, your words can't hurt me!

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Hmmm.

Eevee used the "flatter strategy" last game and fooled you all. He did it to me in forum survivor too (not meaning it in a bad way, you played really well in forum survivor.) I'm not going to change my vote since I'm still suspicious of mcmc, but just saying I find this scummy.
Just trying to make this a pleasant environment for people to play! I did mean what I said too.

I distinctly even recall winning an award a few years back for being so nice to people in mafia games. I don't think I like this development of people thinking me being nice has to have a nefarious purpose now.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #206 on: December 12, 2016, 12:30:02 pm »

Eevee buddying is not scummy.

WW not clarifying is not scummy either. he's not supposed to claim non-PGO. He said it was a joke. he didn't claim.

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #207 on: December 12, 2016, 12:38:03 pm »

I think

Vote: Robz

Describing Robz thus far as a hothead seems quite an exaggeration.

Well, which is it? You didn't explain your vote--of course--but I presume it was the same reason Calamitas voted for me, because I found your joke scummy. I didn't realize it was a joke when I voted for you, because there was no context whatsoever if you had missed your earlier statement, so I don't see how this is an indictment of me.

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #208 on: December 12, 2016, 12:38:35 pm »

Is scumRobz a hothead though? To me his reaction read more like somneone letting their frustration cloud their judgement. I feel mafia would want to be a little more subtle about something like this.

I don't know if I was frustrated before. I'm sort of frustrated now.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #209 on: December 12, 2016, 12:40:52 pm »

I mean, I was never claiming PGO, which should have been very clear.

I'm a Jailkeeper.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #210 on: December 12, 2016, 12:41:08 pm »

(It should be really clear I'm not claiming Jailkeeper, though.)
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #211 on: December 12, 2016, 12:41:28 pm »

Why is no one laughing?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #212 on: December 12, 2016, 12:42:28 pm »

Is scumRobz a hothead though? To me his reaction read more like somneone letting their frustration cloud their judgement. I feel mafia would want to be a little more subtle about something like this.

I don't know if I was frustrated before. I'm sort of frustrated now.
What's making you frustrated?

If it's WW's joke, the onus is on him for making it clear to readers that he's kidding, but isn't this also a no harm no foul situation?

I guess, walking down the path what if WW is scum, they did get to fish for counterclaims "for free" here. Really creative if that's what happened, but doesn't feel likely to me.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #213 on: December 12, 2016, 12:43:12 pm »

If it's any consolation, I found your joke about as funny as WW's :P

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #214 on: December 12, 2016, 12:44:07 pm »

Is scumRobz a hothead though? To me his reaction read more like somneone letting their frustration cloud their judgement. I feel mafia would want to be a little more subtle about something like this.

I don't know if I was frustrated before. I'm sort of frustrated now.
What's making you frustrated?

If it's WW's joke, the onus is on him for making it clear to readers that he's kidding, but isn't this also a no harm no foul situation?

I guess, walking down the path what if WW is scum, they did get to fish for counterclaims "for free" here. Really creative if that's what happened, but doesn't feel likely to me.

Now that I have a full and clear understanding of what happened, I don't think it's particularly scummy to make that joke, no. It's a little scummy to allow the ambiguity to persist for a while, but whatever. I'm frustrated that people don't get that.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #215 on: December 12, 2016, 12:45:19 pm »

I don't agree with that. I think it's anti-town to let the ambiguity continue, but I don't think anti town behavior is a scum tell for WW.

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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #216 on: December 12, 2016, 12:58:38 pm »

Vote Count 1.1

mcmcsalot (3): SpaceAnemone, Eevee, teamlyle
Eevee (2): mcmcsalot, gkrieg13
Witherweaver (1): Robz888
J Reggie (2): silverspawn, pacovf
Robz888 (3): J Reggie, LaLight, Witherweaver

Not Voting (1): Calamitas

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 starts now and ends December 18 at 4 am forum time.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #217 on: December 12, 2016, 04:17:28 pm »

Why is no one laughing?

Oh.. I kind of am actually! Just a bit of a delayed reaction :-)
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #218 on: December 12, 2016, 04:32:02 pm »

Eevee buddying is not scummy.

WW not clarifying is not scummy either. he's not supposed to claim non-PGO. He said it was a joke. he didn't claim.

This is true. Claiming whether or not he's a PGO (or other role) leaves the game in a state where there's more claimed information than we had to begin with, and therefore is not the same as "undoing" the joke.

I think the ambiguity he left us with was interesting for a while... maybe it's a scum move to see what people do, but also the rest of us get to observe everyone's reactions, and it moved the early game along nicely, so I don't think that's so bad. I disagree with Eevee's thing about scum possibly fishing for counterclaims (#212), because it's perfectly possible to have up to three PGOs in the game (rolling Vs and Ws), or at least two PGOs in conjunction with any other role in the game, so there's nothing to fish for there.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #219 on: December 12, 2016, 04:35:33 pm »

I didn't actually consider any counter-claiming scenario. 
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #220 on: December 12, 2016, 04:44:10 pm »

Eevee buddying is not scummy.

WW not clarifying is not scummy either. he's not supposed to claim non-PGO. He said it was a joke. he didn't claim.

This is true. Claiming whether or not he's a PGO (or other role) leaves the game in a state where there's more claimed information than we had to begin with, and therefore is not the same as "undoing" the joke.

I think the ambiguity he left us with was interesting for a while... maybe it's a scum move to see what people do, but also the rest of us get to observe everyone's reactions, and it moved the early game along nicely, so I don't think that's so bad. I disagree with Eevee's thing about scum possibly fishing for counterclaims (#212), because it's perfectly possible to have up to three PGOs in the game (rolling Vs and Ws), or at least two PGOs in conjunction with any other role in the game, so there's nothing to fish for there.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #221 on: December 12, 2016, 04:48:08 pm »

I don't agree with that. I think it's anti-town to let the ambiguity continue, but I don't think anti town behavior is a scum tell for WW.

What would be scum-indicative behaviour, coming from WW, in your opinion?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #222 on: December 12, 2016, 05:33:44 pm »

I disagree with Eevee's thing about scum possibly fishing for counterclaims (#212), because it's perfectly possible to have up to three PGOs in the game (rolling Vs and Ws), or at least two PGOs in conjunction with any other role in the game, so there's nothing to fish for there.

I was going to say that isn't true, but turns out I hadn't understood how W worked. Huh. Ok.


I don't agree with that. I think it's anti-town to let the ambiguity continue, but I don't think anti town behavior is a scum tell for WW.

What would be scum-indicative behaviour, coming from WW, in your opinion?

This is a good question.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #223 on: December 12, 2016, 07:07:31 pm »

Yep, Robz and Eevee are scum. And just to be clear, I didn't read the game where they were scum together recently, but I know they would play differently here. Or even better one would and the other wouldn't.
It's funny, in that game I was a nervous wreck all the time thinking they are one step away from catching me. Now that I'm town, your words can't hurt me!

Also, nice to meet you! I think it's our first game together. You seem the kind of guy who gets things moving, that's a quality in a person I really appreciate when playing these games.

Hmmm.

Eevee used the "flatter strategy" last game and fooled you all. He did it to me in forum survivor too (not meaning it in a bad way, you played really well in forum survivor.) I'm not going to change my vote since I'm still suspicious of mcmc, but just saying I find this scummy.
Just trying to make this a pleasant environment for people to play! I did mean what I said too.

I distinctly even recall winning an award a few years back for being so nice to people in mafia games. I don't think I like this development of people thinking me being nice has to have a nefarious purpose now.

Sorry if I offended you. I didn't mean a "nefarious" purpose, I just meant that if you were scum you could use that to your advantage.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #224 on: December 12, 2016, 09:00:36 pm »

I don't agree with that. I think it's anti-town to let the ambiguity continue, but I don't think anti town behavior is a scum tell for WW.

What would be scum-indicative behaviour, coming from WW, in your opinion?

This is a good question.

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