Topic: Mono-Set Tournament (Read 28091 times)

Chris is me · « **on:** November 18, 2016, 02:55:24 pm »

Hey look here is a simple tournament aiming to explore a part of the Dominion metagame that's often left untouched: single expansion kingdoms.

Basicaly, the premise of this tournament is that you will play one game using one set (or the mini sets) from each of 6 sets. Before playing, each player will veto a set, leaving six sets. The six sets remaining are each played with in 1 game each by the two players. This will test your knowledge of sets in isolation as well as your ability to recognize synergy within a set that isn't necessarily highlighted otherwise.

HERE IS THE BRACKET: http://challonge.com/dominion_monoset

Current Pending Games (Bolded game means someone is waiting on you to continue):

Awaclus vs. The Do-Operator

Code: (Official Rules) [Select]

Official Rules:
- 16 players, double elimination

- 3 starts each; play random starts until someone hits 3, then resign until the other player starts blah blah you've all done this before

- Players will be seeded by Iso rank, in a bracket that starts with 1v16, 2v15... etc.

- Before starting the match, each player, starting with the low seed, will veto a set, leaving six sets. Each of the six games will feature Kingdoms and rule modifiers exclusive to one of the six sets remaining. 

- If there are any disputes as to the order of the sets played, the first set played shall be decided randomly, and after each game, the loser of the previous game will pick the next set.

- The sets that players will play from / veto are below.
-- Base Set
-- Intrigue
-- Seaside
-- Prosperity (Platinum / Colony on)
-- Hinterlands
-- Dark Ages (Shelters on)
-- Adventures
-- Cornucopia / Guilds (treat as one set)
(note that Alchemy is not on this list at all - will explain elsewhere)

- In the event of a 3-3 tie, a seventh game will be played, with random start, where the set used is the set the HIGHER seed vetoed.

- If the seventh game ends in a tie according to the Dominion rules, the player who went second advances.

- I'm hoping we don't need strict formal deadlines and can just advance between rounds when ready, but if you don't contact your opponent within a week of your matchup being available you'll be subbed out (early rounds) or forefeit (later rounds). If you are holding the tournament up we'll talk. Don't be a dick. We want this done before ShIT is out.

- When posting results, please also include the sets vetoed, just for curiosity's sake.

You're still welcome to sign up as alternates if you want.

Code: (Player List) [Select]

Players:
1. Chris is me
2. jsh357
3. IDontPlayThisGame
4. LaLight
5. singletee
6. drsteelhammer
7. Rabid
8. vsiewnar
9. amoffett11
10. The Do-Operator
11. Micha1980
12. markus
13. 4est
14. Awaclus
15. tufftaeh
16. diedre91

jsh357 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 18, 2016, 02:56:41 pm »

IDontPlayThisGame · « **Reply #2 on:** November 18, 2016, 02:58:52 pm »

Roadrunner7671 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 18, 2016, 03:22:58 pm »

Are we calling it ShIT? Because that's hilarious but also mean

LaLight · « **Reply #4 on:** November 18, 2016, 03:23:17 pm »

Chris is me · « **Reply #5 on:** November 18, 2016, 03:46:02 pm »

Quote from: Roadrunner7671 on November 18, 2016, 03:22:58 pm

Are we calling it ShIT? Because that's hilarious but also mean

Think of it less as "what a piece of ShIT" and more "The new Dominion is the ShIT!"

I'm not attached to the acronym if it bothers people, but it's memorable and easy to type.

Limetime · « **Reply #6 on:** November 18, 2016, 04:10:17 pm »

Hmmm.. /out

singletee · « **Reply #7 on:** November 18, 2016, 04:18:40 pm »

drsteelhammer · « **Reply #8 on:** November 19, 2016, 10:06:28 pm »

/in

I think you should give the lower seed some kind of power though. Either choosing second or getting his set not played, both just seems to tilt it so strongly towards the higher seed in close games.

Chris is me · « **Reply #9 on:** November 20, 2016, 01:21:07 am »

Quote from: drsteelhammer on November 19, 2016, 10:06:28 pm

/in

I think you should give the lower seed some kind of power though. Either choosing second or getting his set not played, both just seems to tilt it so strongly towards the higher seed in close games.

I'll change it so in game 7 the top seed's veto is played instead.

If this doesn't get to 32 by the middle / end of next week maybe I'll switch it to 16/double elim?

Rabid · « **Reply #10 on:** November 20, 2016, 06:42:07 am »

vsiewnar · « **Reply #11 on:** November 20, 2016, 11:37:27 am »

amoffett11 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 23, 2016, 02:11:41 pm »

/in

This is not somewhere I ever really look, maybe pushing it on Discord will get a few more interested

The Do-Operator · « **Reply #13 on:** November 23, 2016, 03:40:54 pm »

Beyond Awesome · « **Reply #14 on:** November 24, 2016, 11:50:30 pm »

Sounds interesting. I want to say in, but my schedule is busy right now

Awaclus · « **Reply #15 on:** November 25, 2016, 02:03:10 am »

I only own Base, Intrigue, Seaside, Prosperity, Dark Ages, Guilds ~~and I think one more small expansion (not sure)~~ EDIT: no, just the ones I mentioned by name. Can I join?

vsiewnar · « **Reply #16 on:** November 25, 2016, 10:41:16 am »

Shoot, I don't own all sets either. Judge!

Chris is me · « **Reply #17 on:** November 28, 2016, 01:49:37 pm »

I'd say go ahead and join, but if you are paired with someone else missing sets you can only veto sets you both don't have (unless between the two of you, you are missing only one set).

drsteelhammer · « **Reply #18 on:** November 28, 2016, 02:31:05 pm »

Do you think we'll make it to 16 or do we just go head and play our first round? (latecomer could play against one of the byes)

Chris is me · « **Reply #19 on:** November 28, 2016, 02:40:09 pm »

I'll figure this out tonight when I get home. Maybe some kind of wacky double elim format where first round byes go to players who haven't signed up yet. Definitely want to get this started and do double elim though.

Micha1980 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 29, 2016, 07:47:39 am »

markus · « **Reply #21 on:** November 29, 2016, 10:09:41 am »

4est · « **Reply #22 on:** November 29, 2016, 02:34:46 pm »

/in unless it's not too late

Chris is me · « **Reply #23 on:** November 29, 2016, 05:16:40 pm »

Quote from: 4est on November 29, 2016, 02:34:46 pm

/in unless it's not too late

Nah, signups don't end until I get home and have time to deal with this thread, at the very least. Probably some mechanism to sign up late will persist.

Chris is me · « **Reply #24 on:** November 29, 2016, 10:37:17 pm »

So if we count Awaclus, we have 14 here. I am thinking we do 16 person, double elimination, and we leave 2 slots open (the 8th and 9th seeds). If no one takes them, the winner of 1v16 gets a second round bye. If two more people sign up, yay, there's room for them to play!

I'll throw a bracket together tonight, probably. Just gotta get a bunch of Iso ranks.

Chris is me · « **Reply #25 on:** November 29, 2016, 10:58:09 pm »

Here's the bracket (subject to change if something goes wrong or if someone drops / adds). PMs to remind people this exist go out tomorrow. Good luck in Round 1!

http://challonge.com/dominion_monoset

markus · « **Reply #26 on:** November 30, 2016, 03:55:48 am »

What should be the setup for events in adventures: 2 or random?

diedre91 · « **Reply #27 on:** November 30, 2016, 06:20:41 am »

I am willing to join if anybody else does.

Chris is me · « **Reply #28 on:** November 30, 2016, 07:48:11 am »

Quote from: markus on November 30, 2016, 03:55:48 am

What should be the setup for events in adventures: 2 or random?

Random, but the result will almost always be 2 anyway, so basically the same.

drsteelhammer · « **Reply #29 on:** November 30, 2016, 07:53:55 am »

Lalight and I played our match and I won 4-3.

Lalight banned Hinterlands, I banned Dark Ages

We picked the order of the sets since there were no rules about it:

I picked Guilds/Cornucopia and lost.
Lalight picked Base and lost.
I picked Seaside and lost
Lalight picked Intrigue and lost.
I picked Adventures and lost.
Lalight "picked" Prosperity and lost.

Naturally, I had to win DA since it was my ban

Ignoring Rebuild and Culist, hooray.

LaLight · « **Reply #30 on:** November 30, 2016, 07:57:35 am »

Quote from: drsteelhammer on November 30, 2016, 07:53:55 am

Lalight and I played our match and I won 4-3.

Lalight banned Hinterlands, I banned Dark Ages

We picked the order of the sets since there were no rules about it:

I picked Guilds/Cornucopia and lost.
Lalight picked Base and lost.
I picked Seaside and lost
Lalight picked Intrigue and lost.
I picked Adventures and lost.
Lalight "picked" Prosperity and lost.

Naturally, I had to win DA since it was my ban Ignoring Rebuild and Culist, hooray.

I love how we lose in every game we picked

Chris is me · « **Reply #31 on:** November 30, 2016, 08:19:42 am »

Missed that rule, whoops. For now let's say the loser of the previous match picks the next match from here on out, unless both players agree to alternative rules. This lets the existing match stand and offers a guideline for future debates.

I'll update the OP with this, the brackets, matchups, and send out PMs throughout the day. Jobs and shit.

Quote from: diedre91 on November 30, 2016, 06:20:41 am

I am willing to join if anybody else does.

If no one else joins by the time everyone gets to round 2, you'll be 8th seed with a first round bye.

tufftaeh · « **Reply #32 on:** November 30, 2016, 09:23:50 am »

Quote from: diedre91 on November 30, 2016, 06:20:41 am

I am willing to join if anybody else does.

If you can play next Saturday (December 3rd), I will join.

diedre91 · « **Reply #33 on:** November 30, 2016, 09:36:44 am »

Quote from: tufftaeh on November 30, 2016, 09:23:50 am

Quote from: diedre91 on November 30, 2016, 06:20:41 am
I am willing to join if anybody else does.
If you can play next Saturday (December 3rd), I will join.

Sure! Saturday is fine by me.

tufftaeh · « **Reply #34 on:** November 30, 2016, 09:43:46 am »

Quote from: diedre91 on November 30, 2016, 09:36:44 am

Quote from: tufftaeh on November 30, 2016, 09:23:50 am
Quote from: diedre91 on November 30, 2016, 06:20:41 am
I am willing to join if anybody else does.
If you can play next Saturday (December 3rd), I will join.

Sure! Saturday is fine by me.

Great. So I'm /in as well. Will send you a PM soon...

tufftaeh · « **Reply #35 on:** November 30, 2016, 09:51:05 am »

Chris, would you please assign seed numbers to diedre91 and me, so we don't do everything the wrong way round?

Chris is me · « **Reply #36 on:** November 30, 2016, 09:58:46 am »

If I am reading the leaderboard right, tufftaeh is #8 and diedre91 is #9 seed. Will update the bracket to match this.

singletee · « **Reply #37 on:** November 30, 2016, 10:13:30 pm »

amoffett11 vetoes Prosperity
singletee vetoes Dark Ages
a picks Base - s wins
a picks Intrigue - a wins
s picks Cornguilds - a wins
s picks Seaside - a wins
s picks Adventures - s wins
Hinterlands - s wins
Dark ages - s wins

Result singletee 4-3 amoffett11

amoffett11 · « **Reply #38 on:** November 30, 2016, 10:14:00 pm »

Singletee defeats amoffett11 4-3. Prosperity and Dark Ages were vetoed

Singletee wins Base (workshop gardens)
amoffett11 wins Intrigue (Bridges-Duke)
amoffett11 wins Seaside (NV/GS/Wharf/Sea Hag and stuff)
amoffett11 wins Corn/Guilds (Tournament and Herald)
Singletee wins Adventures (Page and every Reserve card)
Singletee wins Hinterlands (embassy tunnel)
Singletee wins Dark Ages (Hermit Market Square)

Edit: Ninja'd. Good games Singletee!

jsh357 · « **Reply #39 on:** November 30, 2016, 10:40:38 pm »

jsh defeats idontplaythis game 4-0
Vetos: Adventures, Intrigue

jsh wins Base
jsh wins Prosperity
jsh wins Corn/Guilds
jsh wins Hinterlands

Recording:

The Do-Operator · « **Reply #40 on:** December 01, 2016, 10:22:14 pm »

Vsiewnar defeats The Do-Operator 4-2

Do-Operator vetoes Hinterlands
Vsiewnar vetoes Base

Do-Operator picks Dark Ages, Vsiewnar wins
Vsiewnar picks Adventures, Do-Operator wins
Do-Operator picks Cornucopia/Guilds, Do-Operator wins
Vsiewnar picks Seaside, Vsiewnar wins
Do-Operator picks Intrigue, Vsiewnar wins
Last remaining set is Prosperity, Vsiewnar wins

vsiewnar · « **Reply #41 on:** December 02, 2016, 03:25:18 am »

vs. The Do-Operator

Game 1: https://youtu.be/Wg_VgVfkvHY
Mystic Mongers

Game 2: https://youtu.be/E01DgwHYa4g
Bridge Trolled

Game 3: https://youtu.be/Si5TBdkNsqg
The King's exhibition

Game 4: https://youtu.be/zZ59r9CsDys
Oppression

Game 5: https://youtu.be/S0Oxs6bk3fs
Swindler strikes

Game 6: https://youtu.be/R0S7YGuR8ao
tl,dr: KC,GM

Rabid · « **Reply #42 on:** December 03, 2016, 10:40:13 am »

Rabid 4 : 4est 3

Set Start Winner
Base Rabid 4est
Intrigue Rabid Rabid
Seaside Rabid Rabid
Prosperity 4est 4est
~~Hinterlands 4est Veto~~
Dark Ages 4est 4est
~~Adventures Rabid Veto~~
Cornucopia / Guilds 4est Rabid

3 - 3 after 6 games
Neither of us have Adventures, so 4est picked Hinterlands for game 7.
I got first player and won the 7th game.

This format was really fun, good idea Chris is me.

Chris is me · « **Reply #43 on:** December 03, 2016, 12:21:06 pm »

Chris is me 2 - Awaclus 4

Vetoed Intrigue and Prosperity respectively
Seaside - Chris
Base - Awaclus
Hinterlands - Awaclus
Dark Ages - Chris
Guilds - Awaclus
Adventures - Awaclus

Round 2 matches you're free to start whenever they are available, don't worry about waiting for everyone else. I'll update the OP with the new matchups. Bold matchups mean you're holding up the league and you should hustle.

tufftaeh · « **Reply #44 on:** December 03, 2016, 01:24:50 pm »

diedre91 - tufftaeh 1:4

Vetos: Dark Ages / Base
Intrigue: tufftaeh
Proesperity: tufftaeh
Guilds & Cornucopia: diedre
Adventures: tufftaeh
Seaside: tufftaeh

Hope we are not disqualified for not playing the last game...

vsiewnar · « **Reply #45 on:** December 03, 2016, 02:49:48 pm »

We have a slight scene. I'm to play Awaclus and I think we are missing Cornucopia. What should we do? (I have Alchemy if that matters in any way).

Limetime · « **Reply #46 on:** December 03, 2016, 03:40:47 pm »

Do you have any gokoins to get the subscriptions for just cornucopia?

vsiewnar · « **Reply #47 on:** December 04, 2016, 02:56:49 pm »

I'm 16 short for the subscription.

Rabid · « **Reply #48 on:** December 04, 2016, 03:06:51 pm »

Flip a coin to decide who has to veto the missing set?

markus · « **Reply #49 on:** December 04, 2016, 03:19:54 pm »

Round 1: markus 4 - 2 Micha1980

Micha1980 vetoed Adventures, markus vetoed Base.

Set     Start     Winner
Intrigue     Micha1980   markus
Seaside     markus     markus
Prosperity    Micha1980   Micha1980
Hinterlands   Micha1980   Micha1980
Dark Ages     markus     markus
Corn./Guilds markus     markus

jsh357 · « **Reply #50 on:** December 04, 2016, 03:46:57 pm »

jsh 3.5 - 1.5 tufftaeh

Seaside JSH
Prosperity JSH
Hinterlands Tie
Corn/Guilds tufftaeh
Adventures JSH

Chris is me · « **Reply #51 on:** December 04, 2016, 04:45:35 pm »

Quote from: vsiewnar on December 03, 2016, 02:49:48 pm

We have a slight scene. I'm to play Awaclus and I think we are missing Cornucopia. What should we do? (I have Alchemy if that matters in any way).

Lets go with, whomever has fewer sets loses their veto. Their veto is effectively the sets you both don't have.

markus · « **Reply #52 on:** December 05, 2016, 03:47:40 pm »

markus 4 - 2 drsteelhammer

vetoes: Dark Ages (drsteelhammer), Base (markus)

Set     Start     Winner
Intrigue     markus     markus
Corn. / Guilds markus     markus
Adventures     drsteelhammer   drsteelhammer
Seaside     drsteelhammer   drsteelhammer
Prosperity     markus     markus
Hinterlands     drsteelhammer   markus

Awaclus · « **Reply #53 on:** December 05, 2016, 04:25:00 pm »

Awaclus 4 - 3 vsiewnar

I vetoed Base (and vsiewnar vetoed Guilds/Corn because we didn't have Corn)

Set______________	Start____________	Winner__________
Seaside	Awaclus	vsiewnar
Intrigue	vsiewnar	Awaclus
Adventures	Awaclus	vsiewnar
Prosperity	Awaclus	Awaclus
Hinterlands	vsiewnar	vsiewnar
Dark Ages	vsiewnar	Awaclus
Base	vsiewnar	Awaclus

(disclaimer: the games were played over an hour ago and this is just based on my memory so it might have some minor errors, but at least the result of the match is correct)

amoffett11 · « **Reply #54 on:** December 05, 2016, 06:22:53 pm »

Posting Partial results here in case they're lost:

amoffett11 vs 4est, amoffett leads 2-1, and in starts 2-1
4est vetoed Hinterlands, amoffett vetoed Base
so far played Seaside, Intrigue, Corn/Guilds
Remaining: Dark Ages, Adventures, Prosperity

Chris is me · « **Reply #55 on:** December 05, 2016, 07:29:36 pm »

Lost 0-4 to Do-op

Vetoed Intrigue, he vetoed Seaside

Random picked Hinterlands
I picked Base
I picked Prosperity
I picked Dark Ages

Chris is me · « **Reply #56 on:** December 06, 2016, 11:22:32 am »

By the way if you haven't already I would strongly suggest getting Discord so you can join our chat channel and schedule games while FDs is down

vsiewnar · « **Reply #57 on:** December 06, 2016, 12:34:05 pm »

vs Awaclus

Game 1: https://youtu.be/ejgimGELvFU
Sea Hag shootout

Game 2: https://youtu.be/htFNLG_k7cM
Disappointing Swindler

Game 3: https://youtu.be/gz7fikw2ecY
Artificer adventure

Game 4: https://youtu.be/vv-WpaLVvUk
Buys blunder

Game 5: https://youtu.be/ewJli33W_gA
The lone Cartographer against the Highways

Game 6: https://youtu.be/kQPsVIhmk9c
Don't Count on it

Game 7: https://youtu.be/geS9g_v5cFs
Old powerhouse

LaLight · « **Reply #58 on:** December 06, 2016, 03:55:00 pm »

Limetime · « **Reply #59 on:** December 06, 2016, 06:23:20 pm »

Quote from: vsiewnar on December 06, 2016, 12:34:05 pm

vs Awaclus

The intrigue game at 8:25 i would have gotten scout over bridge because your terminal is swindler and scout will help your wishing wells.

Rabid · « **Reply #60 on:** December 07, 2016, 04:21:45 pm »

Singletee 2 : 4 Rabid

Set-------------|Turn-----|Win

1) Base Singletee Rabid
2) Intrigue Singletee Singletee
3) Seaside Singletee Singletee
4) Corn/Guilds Rabid Rabid
5) Hinterlands Rabid Rabid
6) Prosperity Rabid Rabid

Veto Singletee DarkAges
Veto Rabid Adventures

amoffett11 · « **Reply #61 on:** December 07, 2016, 08:33:30 pm »

Loser's Bracket: amoffett11 defeats 4est 4-2

Base veto (amoffett11)
Intrigue amoffett11
Seaside 4est
Prosperity amoffett11
CornGuilds amoffett11
Hinterlands veto (4est)
Dark Ages 4est
Adventures amoffett11

diedre91 · « **Reply #62 on:** December 08, 2016, 12:31:19 pm »

IDontPlayThisGame and I are going to play our match this evening.

amoffett11 · « **Reply #63 on:** December 08, 2016, 07:46:41 pm »

Loser's Bracket: amoffett11 defeats DrSteelHammer 4-0

amoffett11 vetoes Base, DSH vetoes Dark Ages

amoffett11 wins Seaside, CornGuilds, Adventures, Hinterlands

Chris is me · « **Reply #64 on:** December 09, 2016, 12:47:44 pm »

IDontplayThisGame dropped out, decided just to give diedre91 the win instead of finding a sub. Let's keep this going y'all.

Awaclus · « **Reply #65 on:** December 09, 2016, 01:50:55 pm »

Quote from: Chris is me on December 09, 2016, 12:47:44 pm

IDontplayThisGame dropped out, decided just to give diedre91 the win instead of finding a sub. Let's keep this going y'all.

I guess he didn't play this game.

Rabid · « **Reply #66 on:** December 10, 2016, 08:43:11 am »

Awaclus 3 : 4 Rabid

Set-------------|Turn-----|Win

1) Base Awaclus Rabid
2) Intrigue Rabid Rabid
3) Corn/Guilds Rabid Awaclus
4) Seaside Awaclus Rabid
5) Hinterlands Awaclus Awaclus
6) Dark Ages Rabid Awaclus
7) Prosperity Awaclus Rabid

Veto Awacus Prosperity
Veto Rabid Adventures (Not owned)

jsh357 · « **Reply #67 on:** December 10, 2016, 10:39:52 am »

jsh 4 - markus 3

Veto: Base, Intrigue
Seaside (markus wins)
CornGuilds (jsh wins)
Adventures (markus wins)
Prosperity (jsh wins
Hinterlands (jsh wins)
Dark Ages (markus wins)
Intrigue (jsh wins)

The Do-Operator · « **Reply #68 on:** December 11, 2016, 05:20:21 pm »

The Do-Operator 4 - 3 Tufftaeh

Vetoes: Hinterlands (Do-Operator), Seaside (Tufftaeh)

From memory, possibly wrong, list of wins:

Base: Tufftaeh
Dark Ages: Tufftaeh
Adventures: Do-Operator
Intrigue: Do-Operator
Cornucopia/Guilds: Tufftaeh
Prosperity: Do-Operator

Tiebreaker: Seaside, Do-Operator wins

tufftaeh · « **Reply #69 on:** December 11, 2016, 05:23:10 pm »

Quote from: The Do-Operator on December 11, 2016, 05:20:21 pm

The Do-Operator 4 - 3 Tufftaeh

Vetoes: Hinterlands (Do-Operator), Seaside (Tufftaeh)

From memory, possibly wrong, list of wins:

Base: Tufftaeh
Dark Ages: Tufftaeh
Adventures: Do-Operator
Intrigue: Do-Operator
Cornucopia/Guilds: Tufftaeh
Prosperity: Do-Operator

Tiebreaker: Seaside, Do-Operator wins

Quite a good memory you have there!

And thanks for playing on Shuffle iT, even if we haven't played Empires.
Now I'm free for the rest of the year and can happily betatest! See you all in and on 2017...

jsh357 · « **Reply #70 on:** December 12, 2016, 02:43:09 pm »

Rabid won 3.5-2.5. Twitch is acting up and won't let me post the video at the moment.

singletee · « **Reply #71 on:** December 12, 2016, 04:11:29 pm »

Micha1980 4-3 singletee

s vetoes base
m vetoes adventures
intrigue - m first - s wins
seaside - s first - s wins
hinterlands - m first - m wins
cornguilds - s first - s wins
prosperity - s first - m wins
dark ages - m first - m wins
base - m first - m wins

Chris is me · « **Reply #72 on:** December 12, 2016, 04:15:44 pm »

Sorry about the delay this weekend - bracket is up to date. Rabid is currently the winner of the winner's bracket, and whomever wins the losers bracket has to beat Rabid, twice !, to win it all.

Also, someone will always be waiting for every match to finish from here on out in the tournament, so get those last ones done !

amoffett11 · « **Reply #73 on:** December 12, 2016, 05:59:34 pm »

Loser's Bracket: Do-Operator defeats amoffett11 4-1

Vetoes: Seaside (Do-Op), Base (amoffett11)

Do-op wins CornGuilds
amoffett11 wins Intrigue
Do-op wins Dark Ages
Do-op wins Prosperity
Do-op wins Hinterlands

Good games, and good luck to all in the rest of the tournament. This was a good one, and I look forward to 2.0 with Empires, and also decent Base games

vsiewnar · « **Reply #74 on:** December 12, 2016, 09:05:04 pm »

vsiewnar 4 - diedre91 1

Veto: Base (vsiewnar), Dark Ages (diedre91)
Seaside (vsiewnar wins)
CornGuilds (diedre91 wins)
Adventures (vsiewnar wins)
Hinterlands (vsiewnar wins)
Intrigue (vsiewnar wins)

vsiewnar · « **Reply #75 on:** December 13, 2016, 09:17:50 am »

vs diedre91

Game 1: https://youtu.be/ES3u9eZ_6nA
Money, money everywhere (Seaside)

Game 2: https://youtu.be/AjY8NPqCkp4
Fast Doctor (Corn/Guilds)

Game 3: https://youtu.be/FqG5ziJxEYg
Artificer gains, Dungeon cycles (Adventures)

Game 4: https://youtu.be/pbAYbdwnTkA
Silver Surfer (Hinterlands)

Game 5: https://youtu.be/kycBI25MMTw
The Wishing Well fiasco (Intrigue)

smcrtorchs · « **Reply #76 on:** December 14, 2016, 11:18:58 am »

Hey,

I believe the wishing wells should be gained on this board, otherwise you lose. The thing is that you both chose the wrong card to trash here. Wishing wells work well only when their density in your deck is very high, or when there are 2 cards in the deck. This means that you should clearly prefer the trading post as it gets out of the way 2 cards and always give you the same card. Ideally you end up with wishing wells and silvers here before you green. There are other cards of course to consider here and maybe a late upgrade to turn the post into a gold and the ironworks in a duchy is good, depending on how fast your deck cycles, or in other words on how many wells you have and how well they work. But you should expect that after 3 provinces your deck will not cycle good if you split the wells. With all the wells and just silvers, this should not be a problem though.

Chris is me · « **Reply #77 on:** December 14, 2016, 11:52:00 am »

I think in that game I would have opened Silver / IW, get Wishing Wells every time with Ironworks, and either Upgrade or Trading Post. I'm inclined to say Upgrade so you can make Bridge your terminal and double Province with a deck that basically becomes Silver, WW, Bridge by the end of the game.

You don't need a two card deck for Wishing Well to be worth it; it doesn't always have to draw 2 cards to be good. But there is benefit to a more monolithic deck and I don't think there is much to make a more complex engine worth it. Sab isn't a huge deal; Ironworks just gains whatever component you lost during greening.

vsiewnar · « **Reply #78 on:** December 14, 2016, 04:27:50 pm »

vsiewnar 4 - Micha1980 3

Veto: Base (vsiewnar), Adventures (Micha1980)
Hinterlands (Micha1980 wins)
Dark Ages (vsiewnar wins)
Corn/Guilds (Micha1980 wins)
Seaside (vsiewnar wins)
Prosperity (Micha1980 wins)
Intrigue (vsiewnar wins)
Base (vsiewnar wins)

markus · « **Reply #79 on:** December 15, 2016, 04:32:01 pm »

vsiewnar 3 - 4 markus

Code: [Select]

		Start	Win
Intrigue	V	M
Adventures	M	M
Dark Ages	M	V
Seaside		V	V
Corn/Guilds	M	M
Prosperity	V	V
Hinterlands	V	M

Awaclus · « **Reply #80 on:** December 18, 2016, 05:08:28 am »

Awaclus 4 - 2 The Do-Operator

I vetoed Base and The Do-Operator vetoed Intrigue.

Set______________	Start____________	Winner__________
Guilds/Corn	The Do-Operator	Awaclus
Dark Ages	Awaclus	The Do-Operator
Seaside	The Do-Operator	Awaclus
Adventures	Awaclus	The Do-Operator
Prosperity	The Do-Operator	Awaclus
Hinterlands	Awaclus	Awaclus

vsiewnar · « **Reply #81 on:** December 18, 2016, 08:24:02 pm »

vs Micha1980

Game 1: https://youtu.be/pFJ9W4PxR-Q
Fool's Gold tension

Game 2: https://youtu.be/j3af6Z5clH8
Gaining Gold

Game 3: https://youtu.be/vLt7eE4O-DE
Winning Tournaments

Game 4: https://youtu.be/P8LBM3nccXw
Piles running

Game 5: https://youtu.be/L1gS6a6fAOo
Cities among the Curses

Game 6: https://youtu.be/946HJMsadtQ
Somebody get Roadrunner to watch this please!

Game 7: https://youtu.be/SQsr6WbqWlM
Feast fit for a king

Chris is me · « **Reply #82 on:** December 19, 2016, 11:17:11 am »

Markus vs Awaclus is next, but jsh357 has apparently resigned, so the winner of that match goes to the Grand Finals vs Rabid.

In the finals, if Rabid loses the first match, a rematch is played.

Awaclus · « **Reply #83 on:** December 19, 2016, 03:27:46 pm »

Awaclus 4 - 3 markus

I'm too lazy to do the table thing so I'll just post the notes I was making.

seaside markus start awa win
hinterlands awa start awa win
adventures awa start markus win
prosperity markus start markus win
dark ages markus start markus win
corn awa start awa win
intrigue awa start awa win

EDIT: Oh and I vetoed Base and markus vetoed Intrigue.

dedicateddan · « **Reply #84 on:** December 19, 2016, 04:14:18 pm »

Quote from: smcrtorchs on December 14, 2016, 11:18:58 am

Hey,

I believe the wishing wells should be gained on this board, otherwise you lose. The thing is that you both chose the wrong card to trash here. Wishing wells work well only when their density in your deck is very high, or when there are 2 cards in the deck. This means that you should clearly prefer the trading post as it gets out of the way 2 cards and always give you the same card. Ideally you end up with wishing wells and silvers here before you green. There are other cards of course to consider here and maybe a late upgrade to turn the post into a gold and the ironworks in a duchy is good, depending on how fast your deck cycles, or in other words on how many wells you have and how well they work. But you should expect that after 3 provinces your deck will not cycle good if you split the wells. With all the wells and just silvers, this should not be a problem though.

I agree that wishing well density is crucial to the deck functioning. I like opening Wishing Well/Wishing Well into 2-3 upgrades and piling the wishing wells. After getting thin with upgrades, they can upgrade themselves into gold before greening.

Log:
http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?https://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20161219/log.0.1482183217935.txt

vsiewnar · « **Reply #85 on:** December 20, 2016, 01:41:45 pm »

vs markus

Game 1: https://youtu.be/0krLzQjMwN8
Live by the Swindler, die by the Swindler

Game 2: https://youtu.be/uRnLSdBcGtU
What's that under the Bridge?

Game 3: https://youtu.be/4Ox1IKTJum8
Rags to riches

Game 4: https://youtu.be/sZ7pv5wxvjQ
Ambassador showcase

Game 5: https://youtu.be/xyv4YZGHGog
Hunting for Hunting Parties

Game 6: https://youtu.be/51oBGlaTCB4
Vault to victory

Game 7: https://youtu.be/EtUtOuqiRKs
Hinterlands hiccup

Thanks Chris and everyone for the tournament!

vsiewnar · « **Reply #86 on:** December 20, 2016, 01:42:47 pm »

Also, that is very instructive, thanks dan

Rabid · « **Reply #87 on:** December 20, 2016, 04:10:59 pm »

Final Awaclus 4 - 1 Rabid

Grand Final: Awaclus 1 - 4 Rabid

smcrtorchs · « **Reply #88 on:** December 21, 2016, 06:30:13 pm »

Quote from: dedicateddan on December 19, 2016, 04:14:18 pm

Quote from: smcrtorchs on December 14, 2016, 11:18:58 am
Hey,

I believe the wishing wells should be gained on this board, otherwise you lose. The thing is that you both chose the wrong card to trash here. Wishing wells work well only when their density in your deck is very high, or when there are 2 cards in the deck. This means that you should clearly prefer the trading post as it gets out of the way 2 cards and always give you the same card. Ideally you end up with wishing wells and silvers here before you green. There are other cards of course to consider here and maybe a late upgrade to turn the post into a gold and the ironworks in a duchy is good, depending on how fast your deck cycles, or in other words on how many wells you have and how well they work. But you should expect that after 3 provinces your deck will not cycle good if you split the wells. With all the wells and just silvers, this should not be a problem though.

I agree that wishing well density is crucial to the deck functioning. I like opening Wishing Well/Wishing Well into 2-3 upgrades and piling the wishing wells. After getting thin with upgrades, they can upgrade themselves into gold before greening.

Log:
http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?https://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20161219/log.0.1482183217935.txt

Very nice, thanks for the log

The circulation that the wishing wells offer ensure that you play the upgrades often enough!

I was wondering about getting more golds after you double province once though. Is it clear to you that they help the deck? My initial feeling is that by keeping less gold your wishing wells can succeed more often by wishing for them selves and therefore you have better reliability.

Maybe though as you want only 3 golds for a province you buy the golds as finding one of them is 1/3 of your mission, but if you were having silvers in your deck instead of golds you would not buy more and keep their number to the minimum (4), since now finding a silver is only a fourth of your goal, or would you still buy silvers?

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