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[Dylan32]

I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be

Do it please. I won't change my vote and neither will LaLight nor Road nor gkrieg probably.

I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be

Do it!

I don't like the encouragement Jake received to self-vote, especially if he flips town.

[Calamitas]

I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be

Do it please. I won't change my vote and neither will LaLight nor Road nor gkrieg probably.

I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be

Do it!

I don't like the encouragement Jake received to self-vote, especially if he flips town.

Why don't you like it? I stand by that decision.

[Dylan32]

I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be

Do it please. I won't change my vote and neither will LaLight nor Road nor gkrieg probably.

I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be

Do it!

I don't like the encouragement Jake received to self-vote, especially if he flips town.

Why don't you like it? I stand by that decision.

I don't really think it was pro-town for him to do it to begin with, especially as abruptly as he did. There was still a lot of time left before the deadline for someone else to get online and hammer.  If it had been just a few minutes til, then sure, but more than 2 hours out? I don't like that.

[Calamitas]

I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be

Do it please. I won't change my vote and neither will LaLight nor Road nor gkrieg probably.

I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be

Do it!

I don't like the encouragement Jake received to self-vote, especially if he flips town.

Why don't you like it? I stand by that decision.

I don't really think it was pro-town for him to do it to begin with, especially as abruptly as he did. There was still a lot of time left before the deadline for someone else to get online and hammer.  If it had been just a few minutes til, then sure, but more than 2 hours out? I don't like that.

There was no way we would have settled for another lynch.

[Dylan32]

Do it please. I won't change my vote and neither will LaLight nor Road nor gkrieg probably.

I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be

Do it!

I don't like the encouragement Jake received to self-vote, especially if he flips town.

Why don't you like it? I stand by that decision.

I don't really think it was pro-town for him to do it to begin with, especially as abruptly as he did. There was still a lot of time left before the deadline for someone else to get online and hammer.  If it had been just a few minutes til, then sure, but more than 2 hours out? I don't like that.

There was no way we would have settled for another lynch.

Just under 3 hours is a long time for stuff to happen.  I probably would have voted for Jake when I got online after reading everything that led up to that, but he at least did explain what he thought the setup meant.  Probably scum manufacturing an excuse, sure, but it's far from a guarantee, especially when the person in question also didn't even realize the game they were getting lynched in wasn't the same one that actually gave him a flavor name.  I just don't think it was necessary to push him to do it immediately and it makes me feel pretty good about where my vote was on the off chance it turns out that he isn't scum.

[SpaceAnemone]

Haddock reached up to Space's bookcases, and pulled out Space's Set cards. He knew they wouldn't resist a chance to beat him at something skill-based, so Dominion was kind of ruled out there, but they did have kind of a knack for visual patterns...

Haddock piled up a few of Space's lists and self-help notes to clear enough room on the coffee table. One of the lists list was knocked unseen over the edge, and slipped underneath the sofa...

JakeTheBaseBallGod22 has been lynched. He was Time Management, the Vanilla Townie.

Night 1 begins now and ends between 24 hours and 36 hours from now.  Night actions are due in 23 hours.

Thread Locked!

[SpaceAnemone]

Space nudged their laptop out of the way while trying to make a little more room for dealing the Set cards. A few of the keys somehow got hit in the process, and a bunch of browser tabs got lost somewhere...

gkreig13 has been killed in the night. He was Personal Security, the Vanilla Townie.

Day 2 begins now and ends at 3pm forum time, Friday 16th December.

Thread Unlocked!

[Roadrunner7671]

Geez. What a day.

[Joseph2302]

Geez. What a day.

Yes it was awful. But you know what, shit happens, now let's move on.

[Joseph2302]

And Gkrieg is dead, that lowers the list of people I think may be scum by 1.
Hopefully 1 closer to finding actual scum now.

[Joseph2302]

Final Day 1 Vote Count

Calamitas (1): Dylan32
LaLight (2): Joseph2302, faust
Jake (5): RR, Calamitas, gkrieg, Lalight, Jake

Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame

With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

Twilight now.  Space will do the flip later.

So Dylan, faust annd IDPTG were all not on the mislynch wagon (I wasn't also, but would have been if I hadn't edit conflicted so much). At least 2 town, quite possibly 3, in this group.

[Calamitas]

Final Day 1 Vote Count

Calamitas (1): Dylan32
LaLight (2): Joseph2302, faust
Jake (5): RR, Calamitas, gkrieg, Lalight, Jake

Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame

With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

Twilight now.  Space will do the flip later.

So Dylan, faust annd IDPTG were all not on the mislynch wagon (I wasn't also, but would have been if I hadn't edit conflicted so much). At least 2 town, quite possibly 3, in this group.

Why do you assume so? The Jake wagon was totally sensible and every town must have expected him to flip scum. Only scum could even assume he was actually town and stay off wagon since a Jake lynch was basically guaranteed.

[Joseph2302]

Final Day 1 Vote Count

Calamitas (1): Dylan32
LaLight (2): Joseph2302, faust
Jake (5): RR, Calamitas, gkrieg, Lalight, Jake

Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame

With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

Twilight now.  Space will do the flip later.

So Dylan, faust annd IDPTG were all not on the mislynch wagon (I wasn't also, but would have been if I hadn't edit conflicted so much). At least 2 town, quite possibly 3, in this group.

Why do you assume so? The Jake wagon was totally sensible and every town must have expected him to flip scum. Only scum could even assume he was actually town and stay off wagon since a Jake lynch was basically guaranteed.

Well for scum he was such an easy mislynch. The lynch was going to happen, so why not just join it?

[Calamitas]

The misslynch was easy to the extent that contribution wasn't be required from scum. So scum may easily stay off-wagon to benefit from the conclusion you came to.
For town, I don't really see a reason to not join the wagon. That guy scumslipped twice...

In that light, vote: Dylan

[Joseph2302]

Vote: LaLight

If you hadn't tried to scumslip Jake with stupid questions, then this wouldn't have happened. Why did you start asking him about flavor names anyway?
Getting a town player to scumslip is impressive, although the consequences were really crap.

[Dylan32]

Vote: Calamitas. Like I said, I didn't like you pushing for it him to self hammer that early and it pushed you from a null to scum read to a straight scum read to me. Side note: Jake technically didn't scum slip twice, considering he wasn't even scum.

Now if you are voting for me because I was off wagon, I already said yesterday that when I logged in EoD, as I was reading the thread, I had pretty much decided Jake was the best lynch and was going to vote, but then I got to the point where Jake self-hammered and realized that had happened an hour before I logged in. I couldn't exactly do anything about it at that point.  This means the only reason I wasn't on the wagon was because you pushed him to self-hammer. So really you are voting for me because of something you did... oh the irony.

PPE 1

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: Joseph

That's really bad reasoning. You're blaming LaLight for Jake's rookie mistake.

[Joseph2302]

Vote: Joseph

That's really bad reasoning. You're blaming LaLight for Jake's rookie mistake.

No, it's Jake's fault for what Jake did.
But we didn't need to push him to make mistakes like LaLight did.
It seemed somewhat likely that if you asked Jake lots of questions, he'd do something people didn't agree with, and people would find him scummy. So it seems like LaLight was trying to start the mislynch wagon on him.

[Roadrunner7671]

LaLight asked a pretty basic question and Jake choked. LaLight was scumhunting. Last time I checked, that wasn't scummy.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Not lurking, just busy. Will post tomorrow

[LaLight]

Can you explain how Jake's behaviour is more likely to come from scum without a flavor name than from town without a flavor name?

Yeah, course. Town without flavor name would ask the mod if there are one and maybe he doesn't have one as a mistake (as i did when i saw i don't have one) and just said he doesn't have one and nobody have.

Can you tell me one good reason why scum wouldn't do the same thing?

If the scum is immature as a scum. That's why i was choosing between Jake, ThisGame and Dylan to ask the question, i know that you for example wouldn't be caught up. Jake looks like fast-decision person so it was a good chance to catch him on it.

Joseph, here's the answer to your question why I've chosen Jake.
Also at the end of the day I was really sure he was a PR. I thought at first he's a babysitter, but tells t on RR for not to be killed at night. Then of course I was sure he's Flavor Cop.

GKrieg's death is really surprising. I was sure faust would die which puts him on scummy side (or WIFOM of course).
Hey, everybody again looks flailing and us should turn onto lurkers here.

So far, the people who seem townie to me are Joseph, Dylan, RR.

So, i will return to Vote:Calamitas

[LaLight]

Vote: Calamitas of course

[LaLight]

Space nudged their laptop out of the way while trying to make a little more room for dealing the Set cards. A few of the keys somehow got hit in the process, and a bunch of browser tabs got lost somewhere...

gkreig13 has been killed in the night. He was Personal Security, the Vanilla Townie.

Day 2 begins now and ends at 3pm forum time, Friday 16th December.

Thread Unlocked!

Hey! :-) Can we see the Vote count and time of the end of this day?

[LaLight]

Space nudged their laptop out of the way while trying to make a little more room for dealing the Set cards. A few of the keys somehow got hit in the process, and a bunch of browser tabs got lost somewhere...

gkreig13 has been killed in the night. He was Personal Security, the Vanilla Townie.

Day 2 begins now and ends at 3pm forum time, Friday 16th December.

Thread Unlocked!

Hey! :-) Can we see the Vote count and time of the end of this day?

I am an idiot. Just a vote count.

[LaLight]

Vote Count 1.LL

Lalight (1): Joseph
Dylan (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (2): Dylan, LaLight

Not Voting (3): faust, IDPTG, RoadRunner