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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #75 on: October 18, 2016, 07:13:41 am »
+1

Getting the following error message with every screen:

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I get that too!

Apparently when I debugged the 500 error I accidently left "show errors" on. Fixed.

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Gah. I changed my hosting contract and before that they wanted me to update PHP. Not sure why it's showing the error though because I turned showing the errors off. I will fix tomorrow.

As long as not both lists are saved it's no problem.


Also, tomorrow my new contract goes live, so I hope the 500 error gets fixed.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #76 on: October 18, 2016, 07:48:53 am »
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Code: [Select]
1.) Herald   [X]
2.) Prince   [X]
3.) Haunted Woods   [X]
4.) Feodum   [X]
5.) Throne Room   [X]
6.) Counting House   [X]
7.) Miser   [X]
8.) Inheritance   [X]
9.) Jester   [X]
10.) Highway   [X]
11.) Peasant   [X]
12.) Band of Misfits   [X]
13.) Golem   [X]
14.) Merchant Guild   [X]
15.) Minion   [X]
16.) Haggler   [X]
17.) Count   [X]
18.) Amulet   [X]
19.) Coppersmith   [X]
20.) University   [X]
21.) Forge   [X]
22.) Fortress   [X]
23.) Stonemason   [X]
24.) Bridge   [X]
25.) Apothecary   [X]
26.) Pathfinding   [X]
27.) Saboteur   [X]
28.) Gardens   [X]
29.) Salvager   [X]
30.) Vault   [X]
31.) Goons   [X]
32.) Quarry   [X]
33.) Apprentice   [X]
34.) City   [X]
35.) Philosopher's Stone   [X]
36.) Bank   [X]
37.) Bridge Troll   [X]
38.) Market Square   [X]
39.) King's Court   [X]
40.) Menagerie   [X]
41.) Mine   [X]
42.) Altar   [X]
43.) Travelling Fair   [X]
44.) Treasure Map   [X]
45.) Grand Market   [X]
46.) Spice Merchant   [X]
47.) Lost City   [X]
48.) Baron   [X]
49.) Hireling   [X]
50.) Page   [X]
51.) Horn of Plenty   [X]
52.) Hunting Grounds   [X]
53.) Ferry   [X]
54.) Nobles   [X]
55.) Inn   [X]
56.) Worker's Village   [X]
57.) Storyteller   [X]
58.) Giant   [X]
59.) Artificer   [X]
60.) Pawn   [X]
61.) Watchtower   [X]
62.) Scrying Pool   [X]
63.) Peddler   [X]
64.) Training   [X]
65.) Village   [X]
66.) Conspirator   [X]
67.) Death Cart   [X]
68.) Margrave   [X]
69.) Vineyard   [X]
70.) Ironworks   [X]
71.) Tunnel   [X]
72.) Mint   [X]
73.) Hermit   [X]
74.) Summon   [X]
75.) Library   [X]
76.) Festival   [X]
77.) Crossroads   [X]
78.) Border Village   [X]
79.) Duke   [X]
80.) Duplicate   [X]
81.) Alchemist   [X]
82.) Wine Merchant   [X]
83.) Distant Lands   [X]
84.) Smithy   [X]
85.) Militia   [X]
86.) Cellar   [X]
87.) Relic   [X]
88.) Taxman   [X]
89.) Storeroom   [X]
90.) Journeyman   [X]
91.) Mining Village   [X]
92.) Bishop   [X]
93.) Masterpiece   [X]
94.) Market   [X]
95.) Bazaar   [X]
96.) Counterfeit   [X]
97.) Fairgrounds   [X]
98.) Laboratory   [X]
99.) Wandering Minstrel   [X]
100.) Lost Arts   [X]
101.) Workshop   [X]
102.) Baker   [X]
103.) Squire   [X]
104.) Trader   [X]
105.) Dungeon   [X]
106.) Monument   [X]
107.) Plan   [X]
108.) Tribute   [X]
109.) Expand   [X]
110.) Outpost   [X]
111.) Catacombs   [X]
112.) Beggar   [X]
113.) Courtyard   [X]
114.) Talisman   [X]
115.) Port   [X]
116.) Treasure Trove   [X]
117.) Ironmonger   [X]
118.) Magpie   [X]
119.) Cartographer   [X]
120.) Swindler   [X]
121.) Armory   [X]
122.) Scheme   [X]
123.) Gear   [X]
124.) Fishing Village   [X]
125.) Lighthouse   [X]
126.) Steward   [X]
127.) Raze   [X]
128.) Trading Post   [X]
129.) Royal Seal   [X]
130.) Smugglers   [X]
131.) Soothsayer   [X]
132.) Stables   [X]
133.) Noble Brigand   [X]
134.) Hamlet   [X]
135.) Tournament   [X]
136.) Upgrade   [X]
137.) Junk Dealer   [X]
138.) Pilgrimage   [X]
139.) Venture   [X]
140.) Candlestick Maker   [X]
141.) Poor House   [X]
142.) Ranger   [X]
143.) Governor   [X]
144.) Island   [X]
145.) Stash   [X]
146.) Scavenger   [X]
147.) Expedition   [X]
148.) Wharf   [X]
149.) Torturer   [X]
150.) Chapel   [X]
151.) Royal Carriage   [X]
152.) Contraband   [X]
153.) Remodel   [X]
154.) Ratcatcher   [X]
155.) Mountebank   [X]
156.) Herbalist   [X]
157.) Raid   [X]
158.) Moneylender   [X]
159.) Seaway   [X]
160.) Hunting Party   [X]
161.) Fool's Gold   [X]
162.) Embargo   [X]
163.) Plaza   [X]
164.) Oasis   [X]
165.) Oracle   [X]
166.) Rogue   [X]
167.) Swamp Hag   [X]
168.) Rabble   [X]
169.) Jack of all Trades   [X]
170.) Graverobber   [X]
171.) Bonfire   [X]
172.) Moat   [X]
173.) Envoy   [X]
174.) Wishing Well   [X]
175.) Mystic   [X]
176.) Woodcutter   [X]
177.) Scout   [X]
178.) Harvest   [X]
179.) Caravan   [X]
180.) Black Market   [X]
181.) Urchin   [X]
182.) Bandit Camp   [X]
183.) Walled Village   [X]
184.) Vagrant   [X]
185.) Butcher   [X]
186.) Haven   [X]
187.) Great Hall   [X]
188.) Warehouse   [X]
189.) Explorer   [X]
190.) Ill-Gotten Gains   [X]
191.) Farming Village   [X]
192.) Bureaucrat   [X]
193.) Messenger   [X]
194.) Pearl Diver   [X]
195.) Familiar   [X]
196.) Embassy   [X]
197.) Transmute   [X]
198.) Silk Road   [X]
199.) Pirate Ship   [X]
200.) Treasury   [X]
201.) Cutpurse   [X]
202.) Mission   [X]
203.) Ball   [X]
204.) Hoard   [X]
205.) Horse Traders   [X]
206.) Secret Chamber   [X]
207.) Forager   [X]
208.) Remake   [X]
209.) Merchant Ship   [X]
210.) Farmland   [X]
211.) Guide   [X]
212.) Ghost Ship   [X]
213.) Develop   [X]
214.) Trade Route   [X]
215.) Trade   [X]
216.) Alms   [X]
217.) Sage   [X]
218.) Transmogrify   [X]
219.) Shanty Town   [X]
220.) Fortune Teller   [X]
221.) Young Witch   [X]
222.) Pillage   [X]
223.) Council Room   [X]
224.) Navigator   [X]
225.) Nomad Camp   [X]
226.) Adventurer   [X]
227.) Advisor   [X]
228.) Coin of the Realm   [X]
229.) Cache   [X]
230.) Save   [X]
231.) Marauder   [X]
232.) Ambassador   [X]
233.) Witch   [X]
234.) Native Village   [X]
235.) Harem   [X]
236.) Chancellor   [X]
237.) Tactician   [X]
238.) Lookout   [X]
239.) Quest   [X]
240.) Rats   [X]
241.) Mandarin   [X]
242.) Masquerade   [X]
243.) Caravan Guard   [X]
244.) Duchess   [X]
245.) Thief   [X]
246.) Scouting Party   [X]
247.) Possession   [X]
248.) Rebuild   [X]
249.) Borrow   [X]
250.) Spy   [X]
251.) Sea Hag   [X]
252.) Procession   [X]
253.) Loan   [X]
254.) Knights   [X]
255.) Feast   [X]
256.) Doctor   [X]
257.) Cultist   [X]

Finished the favorites list by duels :)

I've been careful to make sure that the top 30 corresponds with my Top 30 topic (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16139.75), but apparently not quite careful enough, as Saboteur is three places too high. Ah well. It's the only mistake I made, and I'll let Saboteur have that one because it's going to be its last entry in any card list. RIP.

Other fun facts about the list:

- Two Events made their way into the top 30, kicking Goons and Quarry out of the top 30: Inheritance at #8 and Pathfinding at #26.
- Philosopher's Stone is the highest ranked Treasure card at #35, right before Bank at #36.
- Library and Festival are right next to each other, at #75 and #76.
- Duplicate is the highest Reserve card, at #80. Apparently I don't like Reserves. Heh. Must be because they feel pretty slow most of the time.
- Market and Bazaar are also right next to each other, at #94 and #95.
- Other than Coppersmith and Saboteur, most removed cards are rather low. Tribute is at #108, and then the next one is Woodcutter at #176.
- Other than Woodcutter, the other removed cards from the Base set are all in the bottom 40.
- Surprisingly, Possession is not in the bottom 10 (it's 11th from the bottom). Not sure how that happened, but I dislike all cards below it as well, so it's probably fine.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #77 on: October 18, 2016, 08:07:40 am »
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My lists are pretty shitty but I'm taking the "done is better than perfect" approach this year. So far I've done $0-2 and $3.

$0-2 (I ignored Tax):
Code: [Select]
1.) Chapel   [X]
2.) Peasant   [X]
3.) Page   [X]
4.) Hamlet   [X]
5.) Coin of the Realm   [X]
6.) Save   [X]
7.) Encampment   [X]
8.) Stonemason   [X]
9.) Fool's Gold   [X]
10.) Borrow   [X]
11.) Travelling Fair   [X]
12.) Raze   [X]
13.) Alms   [X]
14.) Advance   [X]
15.) Courtyard   [X]
16.) Squire   [X]
17.) Ratcatcher   [X]
18.) Pawn   [X]
19.) Scouting Party   [X]
20.) Patrician   [X]
21.) Lighthouse   [X]
22.) Candlestick Maker   [X]
23.) Settlers   [X]
24.) Cellar   [X]
25.) Poor House   [X]
26.) Herbalist   [X]
27.) Delve   [X]
28.) Native Village   [X]
29.) Haven   [X]
30.) Crossroads   [X]
31.) Beggar   [X]
32.) Vagrant   [X]
33.) Embargo   [X]
34.) Moat   [X]
35.) Pearl Diver   [X]
36.) Quest   [X]
37.) Duchess   [X]
38.) Secret Chamber   [X]

Notable decisions:

Chapel, Peasant, Page: Peasant is better than Page. Fuck you, it just is. Page games are all the same. You buy two Pages, you go through the thing, you hope Warrior misses, you end up trashing maybe 2 cards with Warrior if you're really lucky, but the attack does nothing because you both go for Champion anyway so you have no time to build a big Warrior chain. You then end up with infinite Actions, yippee. But it's not really a guarantee of an engine or anything. Peasant almost guarantees an engine is possible, and it's a lot more versatile and just fun to play with. I genuinely think the options Peasant gives you are just better. I have picked each of the token options as the first choice at one point or another. It's so cool. But Chapel is still better than both of them.

CoTR at 5: This seems really high, but it's probably one of the best Villages in the game. It's really two Villages in one, and you never need to line it up with anything. You don't even care that it's a dead card in your deck when you call it.

Save at 6: Save is super important and you should buy it in every game it appears in.

Encampment at 7: This is probably too high, I know, but it certainly is a very good card worth fighting for in most games it appears in.

CSM should probably be above Pawn. Herbalist is way too high but I really value +Buy more than most of the things below it.

$3 cards:

Code: [Select]
1.) Ambassador   [X]
2.) Masquerade   [X]
3.) Fishing Village   [X]
4.) Ferry   [X]
5.) Urchin   [X]
6.) Steward   [X]
7.) Gear   [X]
8.) Amulet   [X]
9.) Menagerie   [X]
10.) Bonfire   [X]
11.) Scheme   [X]
12.) Forager   [X]
13.) Guide   [X]
14.) Black Market   [X]
15.) Swindler   [X]
16.) Village   [X]
17.) Warehouse   [X]
18.) Wishing Well   [X]
19.) Watchtower   [X]
20.) Market Square   [X]
21.) Dungeon   [X]
22.) Hermit   [X]
23.) Lookout   [X]
24.) Enchantress   [X]
25.) Farmers' Market   [X]
26.) Oasis   [X]
27.) Expedition   [X]
28.) Plan   [X]
29.) Sage   [X]
30.) Smugglers   [X]
31.) Workshop   [X]
32.) Storeroom   [X]
33.) Oracle   [X]
34.) Doctor   [X]
35.) Gladiator   [X]
36.) Shanty Town   [X]
37.) Chariot Race   [X]
38.) Tunnel   [X]
39.) Fortune Teller   [X]
40.) Banquet   [X]
41.) Loan   [X]
42.) Catapult   [X]
43.) Develop   [X]
44.) Trade Route   [X]
45.) Woodcutter   [X]
46.) Caravan Guard   [X]
47.) Masterpiece   [X]
48.) Chancellor   [X]
49.) Great Hall   [X]

Notable decisions:

Amb, Masq: I think Amb is still better. Maybe that's just me, but the nerf to Masq pins combined with the inherent risk factor of using it makes Amb better in my book. More control.

Fishing Village, Ferry: Might be a bit high, but it's the Village you buy so you never have to think about terminal space. Ferry is definitely correct at 4th though, it's super powerful and game defining.

Urchin, Steward, Gear, Amulet: This seems like the right order. I'm less high on Mercenary than I used to be. It's very good still. I vastly prefer Steward to Amulet but they are both good. Gear is just powerful in any deck, like you wouldn't believe if it weren't already hyped up so much on this forum.

Bonfire at 10: Bonfire is among the fastest trashers in the game, of course it should be this high.

Guide at 13: This seems Too High and should probably be lower, but it is seriously underrated. If you think Guide is bad, you're bad. It bails you out of any handsize attack or bad turn, vastly reducing the effects of shuffle luck on your game. You actually start to welcome bad hands because they make your Guide replacement hand better.

Enchantress at 24: This seems kind of low actually, Enchantress is very good. The extra draw moreso than the attack, but the attack is very infuriating early on regardless. Later it's just a draw card basically.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #78 on: October 18, 2016, 09:41:11 am »
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Right, I'll post my 6+ rankings (cause why not?). No Empires.

1.) King's Court   [X]
2.) Grand Market   [X]
3.) Goons   [X]
4.) Inheritance   [X]
5.) Lost Arts   [X]
6.) Altar   [X]
7.) Pathfinding   [X]
8.) Hunting Grounds   [X]
9.) Training   [X]
10.) Peddler   [X]
11.) Hireling   [X]
12.) Nobles   [X]
13.) Border Village   [X]
14.) Forge   [X]
15.) Fairgrounds   [X]
16.) Prince   [X]
17.) Hoard   [X]
18.) Farmland   [X]
19.) Bank   [X]
20.) Expand   [X]
21.) Harem   [X]
22.) Adventurer   [X]

I think it is the list I'm most sure about. The only controversial thing is Prince here, should he really be this low? But actually, yes.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #79 on: October 18, 2016, 09:47:01 am »
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I think Prince is lower than that!
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #80 on: October 18, 2016, 10:04:08 am »
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Yeah, Prince is not that great. Which is sad, since it's such an awesome card. It might be a bit overpriced, probably would have been fine at $7 or maybe even $6, since it's so hard to line up with good targets unless your engine is really good already (in which case you don't need it).
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #81 on: October 18, 2016, 11:06:00 am »
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Yeah, Prince is not that great. Which is sad, since it's such an awesome card. It might be a bit overpriced, probably would have been fine at $7 or maybe even $6, since it's so hard to line up with good targets unless your engine is really good already (in which case you don't need it).
If it just gave an Action on play it wouldn't be so painful to play the damn thing once you've bought it.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #82 on: October 18, 2016, 01:24:09 pm »
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I have a hard time telling if getting Prince was a near-optimal choice when I do actually use it. It don't think it's bottom 5 in the $6 costs though. I can imagine Hoard being better than it though, or at least useful more often.

Also wow Hoard seems pretty overshadowed by Treasure Trove, doesn't it?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #83 on: October 18, 2016, 08:23:56 pm »
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So, my site just got moved to a new server and I tested with Accatitippi's account and it works now. Phew, glad that got fixed. Though it's very slow. But as more duels you make the faster it goes.

So tracer and GwinnR, it should work for you two as well now though it might be slow as well.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #84 on: October 18, 2016, 09:48:28 pm »
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So I mostly had my order backed up on my computer, so I put the $4 cost cards in order again (the $4 and $5 cards both got mixed up after I put them in order). When I pressed save, it seemed to refresh the page and it scrambled up the order again. Maybe I'll just send you a text file...
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #85 on: October 19, 2016, 02:10:18 am »
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Yes, it works. Thanks a lot!
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #86 on: October 19, 2016, 03:42:53 am »
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Pretty sure, that nobody cares, but as I finished it now, I want to share my art-list.

In general, I like the Treasures, the Castles and the Landmarks.

Code: [Select]
1.) Windfall   [X]
2.) Colonnade   [X]
3.) Hireling   [X]
4.) Mill   [X]
5.) Royal Carriage   [X]
6.) Philosopher's Stone   [X]
7.) Silver   [X]
8.) Raid   [X]
9.) Opulent Castle   [X]
10.) Beggar   [X]
11.) Gold   [X]
12.) Ferry   [X]
13.) Aqueduct   [X]
14.) Baker   [X]
15.) Wall   [X]
16.) Trusty Steed   [X]
17.) Replace   [X]
18.) Guide   [X]
19.) Golem   [X]
20.) Potion   [X]
21.) Labyrinth   [X]
22.) Hero   [X]
23.) Curse   [X]
24.) Champion   [X]
25.) Duplicate   [X]
26.) Defiled Shrine   [X]
27.) Fool's Gold   [X]
28.) Teacher   [X]
29.) Delve   [X]
30.) Charm   [X]
31.) Coin of the Realm   [X]
32.) Oasis   [X]
33.) Conspirator   [X]
34.) Baron   [X]
35.) Ratcatcher   [X]
36.) Possession   [X]
37.) Hoard   [X]
38.) Fugitive   [X]
39.) Death Cart   [X]
40.) Apprentice   [X]
41.) Sauna/Avanto   [X]
42.) Secret Passage   [X]
43.) Watchtower   [X]
44.) Sentry   [X]
45.) Small Castle   [X]
46.) Tactician   [X]
47.) Messenger   [X]
48.) Crown   [X]
49.) Plaza   [X]
50.) Tower   [X]
51.) Merchant Guild   [X]
52.) Remake   [X]
53.) Masquerade   [X]
54.) Salt the Earth   [X]
55.) Quarry   [X]
56.) Treasure Hunter   [X]
57.) Mountebank   [X]
58.) Overgrown Estate   [X]
59.) Masterpiece   [X]
60.) Villa   [X]
61.) Avanto   [X]
62.) Soldier   [X]
63.) Chapel   [X]
64.) Bank   [X]
65.) Pirate Ship   [X]
66.) Sauna   [X]
67.) Courtier   [X]
68.) Capital   [X]
69.) Tunnel   [X]
70.) Cellar   [X]
71.) Island   [X]
72.) Throne Room   [X]
73.) Triumphal Arch   [X]
74.) Relic   [X]
75.) Ritual   [X]
76.) Patrol   [X]
77.) Obelisk   [X]
78.) Loan   [X]
79.) Palace   [X]
80.) Triumph   [X]
81.) Scrying Pool   [X]
82.) Page   [X]
83.) Crossroads   [X]
84.) Horn of Plenty   [X]
85.) Forager   [X]
86.) Plan   [X]
87.) Steward   [X]
88.) Haunted Woods   [X]
89.) Tax   [X]
90.) Sir Vander   [X]
91.) Castles   [X]
92.) Trade   [X]
93.) Wandering Minstrel   [X]
94.) Magpie   [X]
95.) Estate   [X]
96.) Alchemist   [X]
97.) Cultist   [X]
98.) Bandit Fort   [X]
99.) Sprawling Castle   [X]
100.) Vassal   [X]
101.) Herald   [X]
102.) Squire   [X]
103.) Alms   [X]
104.) Farmers' Market   [X]
105.) Hovel   [X]
106.) Apothecary   [X]
107.) Sage   [X]
108.) Urchin   [X]
109.) Temple   [X]
110.) Royal Blacksmith   [X]
111.) Treasure Map   [X]
112.) Council Room   [X]
113.) Counterfeit   [X]
114.) Mercenary   [X]
115.) Sir Bailey   [X]
116.) Warehouse   [X]
117.) Bag of Gold   [X]
118.) Keep   [X]
119.) University   [X]
120.) Lost Arts   [X]
121.) Lurker   [X]
122.) Bandit Camp   [X]
123.) Smithy   [X]
124.) Catapult/Rocks   [X]
125.) Crumbling Castle   [X]
126.) Treasury   [X]
127.) Necropolis   [X]
128.) Wild Hunt   [X]
129.) Mountain Pass   [X]
130.) Contraband   [X]
131.) Grand Market   [X]
132.) Rats   [X]
133.) Dame Natalie   [X]
134.) Bustling Village   [X]
135.) Pathfinding   [X]
136.) Baths   [X]
137.) Jack of all Trades   [X]
138.) Ambassador   [X]
139.) Ruined Village   [X]
140.) Basilica   [X]
141.) Cutpurse   [X]
142.) Diadem   [X]
143.) Market Square   [X]
144.) King's Court   [X]
145.) Princess   [X]
146.) Ill-Gotten Gains   [X]
147.) Rabble   [X]
148.) Advisor   [X]
149.) Copper   [X]
150.) Gardens   [X]
151.) Saboteur   [X]
152.) Save   [X]
153.) Thief   [X]
154.) Outpost   [X]
155.) Shanty Town   [X]
156.) Prince   [X]
157.) Nobles   [X]
158.) Pilgrimage   [X]
159.) Seaway   [X]
160.) Ruined Library   [X]
161.) Moat   [X]
162.) Familiar   [X]
163.) Black Market   [X]
164.) Warrior   [X]
165.) Ghost Ship   [X]
166.) Library   [X]
167.) Menagerie   [X]
168.) Coppersmith   [X]
169.) Count   [X]
170.) Tomb   [X]
171.) Engineer   [X]
172.) Stash   [X]
173.) Marauder   [X]
174.) Forum   [X]
175.) Governor   [X]
176.) Bandit   [X]
177.) Great Hall   [X]
178.) Sir Destry   [X]
179.) Encampment   [X]
180.) Peasant   [X]
181.) Lookout   [X]
182.) Chariot Race   [X]
183.) Harvest   [X]
184.) Village   [X]
185.) Followers   [X]
186.) Scheme   [X]
187.) Duke   [X]
188.) Venture   [X]
189.) Patrician/Emporium   [X]
190.) Fountain   [X]
191.) Advance   [X]
192.) Scout   [X]
193.) Dungeon   [X]
194.) Knights   [X]
195.) Museum   [X]
196.) Haunted Castle   [X]
197.) Fishing Village   [X]
198.) Trading Post   [X]
199.) Graverobber   [X]
200.) Margrave   [X]
201.) Survivors   [X]
202.) Gear   [X]
203.) Torturer   [X]
204.) Banquet   [X]
205.) Spy   [X]
206.) Catacombs   [X]
207.) Training   [X]
208.) Horse Traders   [X]
209.) Disciple   [X]
210.) Wharf   [X]
211.) Arena   [X]
212.) Fortress   [X]
213.) Smugglers   [X]
214.) Miser   [X]
215.) Farmland   [X]
216.) Cache   [X]
217.) Bazaar   [X]
218.) Secret Chamber   [X]
219.) Platinum   [X]
220.) King's Castle   [X]
221.) Adventurer   [X]
222.) Native Village   [X]
223.) Royal Seal   [X]
224.) Band of Misfits   [X]
225.) Archive   [X]
226.) Pillage   [X]
227.) Harbinger   [X]
228.) Mining Village   [X]
229.) Bridge Troll   [X]
230.) Nomad Camp   [X]
231.) Mystic   [X]
232.) Courtyard   [X]
233.) Jester   [X]
234.) Spoils   [X]
235.) Merchant   [X]
236.) Summon   [X]
237.) Sir Michael   [X]
238.) Patrician   [X]
239.) Border Village   [X]
240.) Trader   [X]
241.) Moneylender   [X]
242.) Woodcutter   [X]
243.) Inn   [X]
244.) Haven   [X]
245.) Duchess   [X]
246.) Dominate   [X]
247.) Hamlet   [X]
248.) Transmute   [X]
249.) Monument   [X]
250.) City Quarter   [X]
251.) Rebuild   [X]
252.) Colony   [X]
253.) Goons   [X]
254.) Fortune Teller   [X]
255.) Rogue   [X]
256.) Inheritance   [X]
257.) Stables   [X]
258.) Humble Castle   [X]
259.) Silk Road   [X]
260.) Grand Castle   [X]
261.) Forge   [X]
262.) Highway   [X]
263.) Hunting Grounds   [X]
264.) Wolf Den   [X]
265.) Orchard   [X]
266.) Ironmonger   [X]
267.) Battlefield   [X]
268.) Market   [X]
269.) Cartographer   [X]
270.) Caravan   [X]
271.) Lighthouse   [X]
272.) Vault   [X]
273.) Bridge   [X]
274.) Wine Merchant   [X]
275.) Wishing Well   [X]
276.) Tribute   [X]
277.) Mine   [X]
278.) Vineyard   [X]
279.) Abandoned Mine   [X]
280.) Journeyman   [X]
281.) Port   [X]
282.) Rocks   [X]
283.) Ruined Market   [X]
284.) Worker's Village   [X]
285.) Amulet   [X]
286.) Sea Hag   [X]
287.) Storyteller   [X]
288.) Groundskeeper   [X]
289.) Junk Dealer   [X]
290.) Madman   [X]
291.) Quest   [X]
292.) Legionary   [X]
293.) Chancellor   [X]
294.) Annex   [X]
295.) Poor House   [X]
296.) Giant   [X]
297.) Trade Route   [X]
298.) Embargo   [X]
299.) Dame Josephine   [X]
300.) Emporium   [X]
301.) Feast   [X]
302.) Militia   [X]
303.) Storeroom   [X]
304.) Spice Merchant   [X]
305.) Vagrant   [X]
306.) Expedition   [X]
307.) Bishop   [X]
308.) Ball   [X]
309.) Encampment/Plunder   [X]
310.) Raze   [X]
311.) Ranger   [X]
312.) Dame Sylvia   [X]
313.) Hunting Party   [X]
314.) Scouting Party   [X]
315.) Enchantress   [X]
316.) Upgrade   [X]
317.) Workshop   [X]
318.) Hermit   [X]
319.) Noble Brigand   [X]
320.) Talisman   [X]
321.) Herbalist   [X]
322.) Merchant Ship   [X]
323.) Plunder   [X]
324.) Sacrifice   [X]
325.) Settlers   [X]
326.) Peddler   [X]
327.) Bureaucrat   [X]
328.) Taxman   [X]
329.) Province   [X]
330.) Envoy   [X]
331.) Lost City   [X]
332.) Gladiator/Fortune   [X]
333.) Diplomat   [X]
334.) Witch   [X]
335.) Counting House   [X]
336.) Donate   [X]
337.) Conquest   [X]
338.) Dame Anna   [X]
339.) Laboratory   [X]
340.) Catapult   [X]
341.) Duchy   [X]
342.) Ironworks   [X]
343.) Stonemason   [X]
344.) Young Witch   [X]
345.) Distant Lands   [X]
346.) Caravan Guard   [X]
347.) Minion   [X]
348.) Swindler   [X]
349.) Doctor   [X]
350.) Overlord   [X]
351.) Remodel   [X]
352.) Wedding   [X]
353.) Explorer   [X]
354.) Haggler   [X]
355.) Fairgrounds   [X]
356.) Artisan   [X]
357.) Gladiator   [X]
358.) Butcher   [X]
359.) Treasure Trove   [X]
360.) City   [X]
361.) Armory   [X]
362.) Harem   [X]
363.) Procession   [X]
364.) Travelling Fair   [X]
365.) Scavenger   [X]
366.) Bonfire   [X]
367.) Tournament   [X]
368.) Pawn   [X]
369.) Expand   [X]
370.) Mission   [X]
371.) Farming Village   [X]
372.) Altar   [X]
373.) Poacher   [X]
374.) Mint   [X]
375.) Festival   [X]
376.) Settlers/Bustling Village   [X]
377.) Feodum   [X]
378.) Soothsayer   [X]
379.) Salvager   [X]
380.) Dame Molly   [X]
381.) Sir Martin   [X]
382.) Oracle   [X]
383.) Candlestick Maker   [X]
384.) Borrow   [X]
385.) Swamp Hag   [X]
386.) Walled Village   [X]
387.) Artificer   [X]
388.) Pearl Diver   [X]
389.) Embassy   [X]
390.) Transmogrify   [X]
391.) Mandarin   [X]
392.) Navigator   [X]
393.) Fortune   [X]
394.) Develop   [X]

#1 Windfall: This looks so cool. I like the colours and you can really see, how he gets the 3 Golds.
#2 Colonnade: Clear lines, clear image. Clear number 2.
#3 Hireling: You see, how hard the life as Hireling is, sad and cold.
#4 Mill: Nice image and a beautiful landscape. Cool idea, to make the image green and white as it hast the type Action-Victory.
#5 Royal Carriage: Even if it looks a bit strange, when you look exactly, I like the combination of the colours.

#394 Develop: Sorry, but that is nothing. Strange combination of colours, no depth, but flat. And what is the "tower" in front?! Dr. Freud would have an idea...
#393 Fortune: Maybe this is on purpose, but that looks like a child had painted it.
#392 Navigator: To be honest, I like the sextant (or what it is...). But the guy looks strange. Is he Asian? Is he kind of yellow? To much sterotype for me.
#391 Mandarin: Again a flat painting. And the background looks strange.
#390 Transmogrify: On the one hand, it looks to realistic to me. On the other hand, the white lines in the front look like magic. Both doesn't really fit to the other cards of Dominion.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #87 on: October 19, 2016, 06:03:58 am »
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I'm curious as to what the algorithm is. 
Presumably the comparison system is just using a quicksort or similar to order the cards, but the way the list on the right varies as you go definitely appears to have some heuristics going into it.  What are the heuristics?  Do they affect what comparisons you're offered, to try to optimise the number of comparisons?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #88 on: October 19, 2016, 06:28:55 am »
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So I mostly had my order backed up on my computer, so I put the $4 cost cards in order again (the $4 and $5 cards both got mixed up after I put them in order). When I pressed save, it seemed to refresh the page and it scrambled up the order again. Maybe I'll just send you a text file...

Well I'm really sorry, this kind of sucks. I'm curious what the cause of this might be as I'm using a Jquery library for that sorting and should work. Text file works of course as well. Make sure that you didn't save so that I don't count your misordered list.

I'm curious as to what the algorithm is. 
Presumably the comparison system is just using a quicksort or similar to order the cards, but the way the list on the right varies as you go definitely appears to have some heuristics going into it.  What are the heuristics?  Do they affect what comparisons you're offered, to try to optimise the number of comparisons?

It's basically a topological sorting. But to you not having to make the duels with the same cards several times in a row (to not make it boring and as tedious and a bit more varied) and to get an approximately good outcome even if you don't make all the comparisms I made my own implementation of it. That may result in a bit more comparisms, but in my testing it was still pretty quick. I thought about optimizing it by offering comparisms based on the results of other (finished) lists, but that hasn't happened yet and I'm even not sure if that is worth it.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #89 on: October 19, 2016, 11:12:17 am »
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So, my site just got moved to a new server and I tested with Accatitippi's account and it works now. Phew, glad that got fixed. Though it's very slow. But as more duels you make the faster it goes.

So tracer and GwinnR, it should work for you two as well now though it might be slow as well.

Thank you so much! :)
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #90 on: October 20, 2016, 03:49:52 am »
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So I mostly had my order backed up on my computer, so I put the $4 cost cards in order again (the $4 and $5 cards both got mixed up after I put them in order). When I pressed save, it seemed to refresh the page and it scrambled up the order again. Maybe I'll just send you a text file...

Well I'm really sorry, this kind of sucks. I'm curious what the cause of this might be as I'm using a Jquery library for that sorting and should work. Text file works of course as well. Make sure that you didn't save so that I don't count your misordered list.

I'm curious as to what the algorithm is. 
Presumably the comparison system is just using a quicksort or similar to order the cards, but the way the list on the right varies as you go definitely appears to have some heuristics going into it.  What are the heuristics?  Do they affect what comparisons you're offered, to try to optimise the number of comparisons?

It's basically a topological sorting. But to you not having to make the duels with the same cards several times in a row (to not make it boring and as tedious and a bit more varied) and to get an approximately good outcome even if you don't make all the comparisms I made my own implementation of it. That may result in a bit more comparisms, but in my testing it was still pretty quick. I thought about optimizing it by offering comparisms based on the results of other (finished) lists, but that hasn't happened yet and I'm even not sure if that is worth it.

I also had the same problem... The order gets messed up when I change compare to order mode.
You should not consider any you my lists (I believe I did not save them, but I am not sure.)
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #91 on: October 20, 2016, 08:37:22 am »
+1

I got a bunch of minor lists done, but nobody cares that I think Ruined Market is better than Survivors or that Dame Anna is better than Dame Molly.

Here's my $4 cards list. I haven't totally gone through and checked the order it came up with, so there might be some strangeness here, but I'd rather get something done than turn in a perfect list.

$4 Cards

Code: [Select]
1.) Remake   [X]
2.) Villa   [X]
3.) Tournament   [X]
4.) Wandering Minstrel   [X]
5.) Herald   [X]
6.) Ironmonger   [X]
7.) Caravan   [X]
8.) Ironworks   [X]
9.) Young Witch   [X]
10.) Mission   [X]
11.) Magpie   [X]
12.) Throne Room   [X]
13.) Bridge   [X]
14.) Fortress   [X]
15.) Plaza   [X]
16.) Smithy   [X]
17.) Jack of all Trades   [X]
18.) Ranger   [X]
19.) Militia   [X]
20.) Envoy   [X]
21.) Port   [X]
22.) Transmogrify   [X]
23.) Sacrifice   [X]
24.) Worker's Village   [X]
25.) Conspirator   [X]
26.) Spice Merchant   [X]
27.) Salvager   [X]
28.) Salt the Earth   [X]
29.) Advisor   [X]
30.) Duplicate   [X]
31.) Sea Hag   [X]
32.) Monument   [X]
33.) Baron   [X]
34.) Bishop   [X]
35.) Temple   [X]
36.) Armory   [X]
37.) Procession   [X]
38.) Pilgrimage   [X]
39.) Moneylender   [X]
40.) Miser   [X]
41.) Mining Village   [X]
42.) Cutpurse   [X]
43.) Remodel   [X]
44.) Messenger   [X]
45.) Scavenger   [X]
46.) Walled Village   [X]
47.) Horse Traders   [X]
48.) Trader   [X]
49.) Death Cart   [X]
50.) Silk Road   [X]
51.) Rats   [X]
52.) Marauder   [X]
53.) Engineer   [X]
54.) Quarry   [X]
55.) Nomad Camp   [X]
56.) Taxman   [X]
57.) Farming Village   [X]
58.) Island   [X]
59.) Talisman   [X]
60.) Noble Brigand   [X]
61.) Ritual   [X]
62.) Gardens   [X]
63.) Feodum   [X]
64.) Navigator   [X]
65.) Pirate Ship   [X]
66.) Treasure Map   [X]
67.) Spy   [X]
68.) Coppersmith   [X]
69.) Rocks   [X]
70.) Bureaucrat   [X]
71.) Feast   [X]
72.) Scout   [X]
73.) Thief   [X]

Notable placements:

Remake at 1, Tournament at 3, Herald at 5: The best just keeps getting better with each expansion I think. Tournament might be a little high here. I haven't compared this to my list last year.

Villa at 2: No joke, Villa completely changes how you play a board, and it's honestly not THAT bad of a Village once it's in your deck. It's like Squire but you get a Buy every time, hardly the worst Village ever. The thing is, if you're overbuying terminals enough that you're going to want to pick up Villa, then you probably have enough draw to deal with a non-drawing Village anyway.

Wandering Minstrel at 4: Once it's in your deck, Wandering Minstrel is the best Village in the game. People tend to really under-rate Villages in their rankings lists for some reason, but they are really what enable everything good in Dominion to happen, so people should do more to recognize their importance. Minstrel makes an engine possible on many boards which otherwise could not sustain it, and it basically guarantees you'll draw good stuff right after you play it. It's a Village good enough that it's bought when you don't need extra Actions. Which other Villages can you say that about, Border Village maybe?

Magpie at 11: It's below the other power $4 cantrips, but it's still really good, particularly as a Token target (which every card should have as a consideration when ranking, and speaking of which, I should have ranked Port higher, might change that).

Rocks at 69: Rocks sucks. I mean, there's Catapult I guess, but that's it.

EDIT: Posted slightly changed list, just dragged a few things around to better places. Maybe I accidentally overrated Port and Sea Hag by doing this or underrated Magpie and Advisor, idk. What's important is that most of the time, Young Witch is the far better card.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #92 on: October 20, 2016, 09:12:11 am »
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Rocks at 69: Rocks sucks. I mean, there's Catapult I guess, but that's it.

The most exciting quality of Rocks is the Silver gain to hand if it's your action phase.  Using a gainer like Workshop to gain Rocks will give you $2 immediately that turn - at the very least.  If you have an extra action and another use for the Silver (Storyteller, Apprentice, Catapult!), even better.  Or, consider Upgrade or Transmogrify: trash Silver to get a Rocks and gain a Silver to hand.  Trash Rocks into something valuable and also gain Silver to hand.  Gaining Rocks with Watchtower in hand is also great; you can gain two Silvers to hand!  That's some serious payload.  And Silver is rarely bad when Catapult is in the kingdom: the double attack is brutal.  At its worst, Rocks still provides three sources of a brutal attack in combination with Catapult.  Rocks is one of the most unique cards in Dominion, and I don't have a good feel for its power level, but I don't think its near the bottom of the barrel.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #93 on: October 20, 2016, 09:22:21 am »
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Gardens below Brigand and Talisman hurts my feelings.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #94 on: October 20, 2016, 09:31:04 am »
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Gardens below Brigand and Talisman hurts my feelings.

It's probably better than Brigand, you're right. That was an oversight. I did this list while avoiding paying attention to a meeting at work.

It's probably better than Talisman too, but I have to give that more thought. Winning cheap splits is more important than ever, and Talisman is occasionally clutch while Gardens really rarely is.

I also did not realize how low I put engineer. It's really the third best gainer; being able to trash itself is huge. I'll shuffle those around when I can access the list with a mouse.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #95 on: October 20, 2016, 10:17:14 am »
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i find it quite hard to compare cards like stonemason, which is not really a 2 card
with other 2 cards ... any advise? (most of the time, i play it more like a 5 - 8 card ...)
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« Reply #96 on: October 20, 2016, 10:39:49 am »
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Temple at #35 and below Bishop and Monument when you have Remake at #1 seems a bit odd.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #97 on: October 20, 2016, 12:00:56 pm »
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Temple at #35 and below Bishop and Monument when you have Remake at #1 seems a bit odd.

Temple is one I have difficulty placing. It is better at trashing than Bishop but it scores fewer points and doesn't have end game scoring or payload potential. Monument has recently gotten some very good synergies (Royal Carriage, Storyteller, Crown, tokens) and is essentially boundless in VP gaining with no mandatory trash, so it is much better payload.

Temple compares quite unfavorably to Remake as a trasher, but that's because Remake is a top 5 trasher and Temple is just average. Remake's upgrade utility gives it more purpose after thinning than Temple does, and Remake always removes two junk cards if you have them in your hand while Temple only removes two different cards.

Temple is pretty good though, and the number 35 seems wrong. Ultimately I think it's not unskippable (excluding opportunistic buys to get 4+ VP) and it's pretty good but not great at its role. It's just weird. I don't have the best grip on it yet.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #98 on: October 20, 2016, 02:05:38 pm »
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Theif below scout is just wrong.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #99 on: October 20, 2016, 02:10:04 pm »
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Theif below scout is just wrong.

I disagree. Scout hurts your deck, thief hurts your deck AND helps your opponent
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