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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2016, 12:29:19 pm »
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All of these ratings are not correct in the slightest. I'm going to have to share my own rankings at this point, to show people the light.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #51 on: October 13, 2016, 05:05:26 pm »
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Yikes! Those are some scary rankings.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #52 on: October 13, 2016, 06:11:42 pm »
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All done!

Code: [Select]
$5
1.) Cultist   [X]
2.) Governor   [X]
3.) Wharf   [X]
4.) Minion   [X]
5.) Mountebank   [X]
6.) Rebuild   [X]
7.) Haunted Woods   [X]
8.) Bridge Troll   [X]
9.) Witch   [X]
10.) Highway   [X]
11.) Ghost Ship   [X]
12.) Lost City   [X]
13.) Margrave   [X]
14.) Counterfeit   [X]
15.) Butcher   [X]
16.) Apprentice   [X]
17.) Treasure Trove   [X]
18.) Torturer   [X]
19.) Junk Dealer   [X]
20.) Count   [X]
21.) Laboratory   [X]
22.) Stables   [X]
23.) Festival   [X]
24.) Vault   [X]
25.) Upgrade   [X]
26.) Haggler   [X]
27.) Library   [X]
28.) Baker   [X]
29.) Distant Lands   [X]
30.) Royal Carriage   [X]
31.) Duke   [X]
32.) Relic   [X]
33.) Catacombs   [X]
34.) Bandit Camp   [X]
35.) Summon   [X]
36.) Bazaar   [X]
37.) City   [X]
38.) Hunting Party   [X]
39.) Inn   [X]
40.) Storyteller   [X]
41.) Market   [X]
42.) Jester   [X]
43.) Journeyman   [X]
44.) Merchant Guild   [X]
45.) Soothsayer   [X]
46.) Wine Merchant   [X]
47.) Swamp Hag   [X]
48.) Horn of Plenty   [X]
49.) Knights   [X]
50.) Council Room   [X]
51.) Trading Post   [X]
52.) Band of Misfits   [X]
53.) Artificer   [X]
54.) Raid   [X]
55.) Rabble   [X]
56.) Giant   [X]
57.) Embassy   [X]
58.) Venture   [X]
59.) Treasury   [X]
60.) Ill-Gotten Gains   [X]
61.) Graverobber   [X]
62.) Seaway   [X]
63.) Ball   [X]
64.) Mystic   [X]
65.) Trade   [X]
66.) Tactician   [X]
67.) Explorer   [X]
68.) Mine   [X]
69.) Merchant Ship   [X]
70.) Rogue   [X]
71.) Mint   [X]
72.) Counting House   [X]
73.) Cartographer   [X]
74.) Tribute   [X]
75.) Royal Seal   [X]
76.) Cache   [X]
77.) Outpost   [X]
78.) Saboteur   [X]
79.) Pillage   [X]
80.) Mandarin   [X]
81.) Stash   [X]
82.) Contraband   [X]
83.) Harvest   [X]

$6+
1.) Goons   [X]
2.) King's Court   [X]
3.) Pathfinding   [X]
4.) Border Village   [X]
5.) Grand Market   [X]
6.) Training   [X]
7.) Hunting Grounds   [X]
8.) Inheritance   [X]
9.) Nobles   [X]
10.) Fairgrounds   [X]
11.) Forge   [X]
12.) Altar   [X]
13.) Hireling   [X]
14.) Peddler   [X]
15.) Lost Arts   [X]
16.) Bank   [X]
17.) Prince   [X]
18.) Expand   [X]
19.) Hoard   [X]
20.) Harem   [X]
21.) Farmland   [X]
22.) Adventurer   [X]

Potion
1.) Scrying Pool   [X]
2.) Vineyard   [X]
3.) Apothecary   [X]
4.) Familiar   [X]
5.) University   [X]
6.) Alchemist   [X]
7.) Golem   [X]
8.) Possession   [X]
9.) Philosopher's Stone   [X]
10.) Transmute   [X]

Notable placements:

$5
1. Cultist: I was so sure I was going to put this on #1 again, but then that recent game where I lost with Cultists against Vineyards came up, which made me think twice. I still think it's the strongest card in the game though. Not always 100% unstoppable, but still 99% I think, more than any other card.
2. Governor: The drawbacks put me off at first, but I've grown to appreciate the sheer strength of a complete engine all in a single card. Most boards where it appears are a rush to win the split, and beyond that it's not that much less monolithic than a Cultist deck. At least it's way more interesting, though, with all of the choices and the player interaction. (Something similar could be said about #4, Minion.)
8. Bridge Troll: Another one I really underestimated at first. Cost reduction on a Duration is immensely powerful though. Like I said before, Bridge Troll enables megaturns more often than not. I think it's even better than Highway (albeit slightly).
17. Treasure Trove: Adventures has Page and Peasant as insane engine enables, but balances this out with amazing BM enablers too. I already went over Gear, but Treasure Trove is not that far behind. Certainly something I underestimated at first, Treasure Trove-BM with maybe a couple of terminals just obliterates the weaker/mediocre engines.
38. Hunting Party: Terribly overrated. Sure, the Hunting Party stack is a thing sometimes, but mostly if there's nothing better. In most normal engines, you'd prefer a Laboratory over it, since Labs draw your deck much more easily - Hunting Parties have the unfortunate tendency to become cantrips if your deck is almost drawn. Still better than a ton of other cards, but not sure why everyone seems to think it's top 10 material.
48. Horn of Plenty: A cool card, but HoP megaturns are not as common as people think. Often they just get in the way of your engine components, so the megaturn never happens and they can't even gain more components because there are too few cards in play.
50. Council Room: I repented and placed it a lot higher than last year. I don't like having to play it, but sometimes you can't ignore it.
60. Ill-Gotten Gains: Junks you almost as much as your opponent. Blech.
66. Tactician: Seriously, screw Tactician. I can't seem to get it to work, like, ever. Either I have a very specific card I suck at, or Tactician is the most overrated card in all of Dominion. I mean, I guess it's good if there's a TON of virtual money on the board, but how often does that even happen?
72. Counting House: Still fighting for its redemption! It's not very strong, but not the worst either. Try it with a sifter, or maybe in a slog. Or rape everything with Travelling Fair.
73. Cartographer: Suffers from opportunity cost a LOT. You're never sad to have it, but you almost never have the time or resources to pick one up over something else.

$6+
15. Lost Arts: My $6+ list is not that controversial, I think. Only Lost Arts might be. I placed it this low because you often don't use it. In many cases, either the engine has plenty of Actions already from Villages, or there is no engine at all even with the +Action token. Pathfinding makes the difference way, WAY more often in my experience. But honestly, Lost Arts is not that bad, almost no $6+ cards are (well, Adventurer, but it's going to leave soon, and Farmland/Harem maybe, but at least they fill an Alt-VP niche).

$P:
4. Familiar: It's good, but not amazing due to its high cost. Plus I've been very impressed by both Vineyard and Apothecary recently.

And finally, the full list:

Code: [Select]
1.) Cultist   [X]
2.) Page   [X]
3.) Goons   [X]
4.) King's Court   [X]
5.) Scrying Pool   [X]
6.) Governor   [X]
7.) Chapel   [X]
8.) Peasant   [X]
9.) Wharf   [X]
10.) Fishing Village   [X]
11.) Ambassador   [X]
12.) Minion   [X]
13.) Mountebank   [X]
14.) Herald   [X]
15.) Gear   [X]
16.) Urchin   [X]
17.) Rebuild   [X]
18.) Remake   [X]
19.) Haunted Woods   [X]
20.) Amulet   [X]
21.) Steward   [X]
22.) Bridge Troll   [X]
23.) Wandering Minstrel   [X]
24.) Ferry   [X]
25.) Jack of all Trades   [X]
26.) Witch   [X]
27.) Highway   [X]
28.) Pathfinding   [X]
29.) Tournament   [X]
30.) Masquerade   [X]
31.) Ghost Ship   [X]
32.) Border Village   [X]
33.) Lost City   [X]
34.) Hermit   [X]
35.) Grand Market   [X]
36.) Bridge   [X]
37.) Courtyard   [X]
38.) Margrave   [X]
39.) Swindler   [X]
40.) Counterfeit   [X]
41.) Throne Room   [X]
42.) Watchtower   [X]
43.) Butcher   [X]
44.) Travelling Fair   [X]
45.) Apprentice   [X]
46.) Village   [X]
47.) Raze   [X]
48.) Treasure Trove   [X]
49.) Conspirator   [X]
50.) Stonemason   [X]
51.) Forager   [X]
52.) Torturer   [X]
53.) Training   [X]
54.) Hamlet   [X]
55.) Menagerie   [X]
56.) Junk Dealer   [X]
57.) Port   [X]
58.) Crossroads   [X]
59.) Count   [X]
60.) Hunting Grounds   [X]
61.) Market Square   [X]
62.) Laboratory   [X]
63.) Ironmonger   [X]
64.) Dungeon   [X]
65.) Stables   [X]
66.) Alms   [X]
67.) Festival   [X]
68.) Warehouse   [X]
69.) Militia   [X]
70.) Vault   [X]
71.) Scheme   [X]
72.) Upgrade   [X]
73.) Inheritance   [X]
74.) Sea Hag   [X]
75.) Lookout   [X]
76.) Haggler   [X]
77.) Library   [X]
78.) Monument   [X]
79.) Vineyard   [X]
80.) Baker   [X]
81.) Coin of the Realm   [X]
82.) Distant Lands   [X]
83.) Spice Merchant   [X]
84.) Royal Carriage   [X]
85.) Candlestick Maker   [X]
86.) Duke   [X]
87.) Pawn   [X]
88.) Ironworks   [X]
89.) Relic   [X]
90.) Fool's Gold   [X]
91.) Catacombs   [X]
92.) Bandit Camp   [X]
93.) Quarry   [X]
94.) Nobles   [X]
95.) Apothecary   [X]
96.) Fairgrounds   [X]
97.) Magpie   [X]
98.) Forge   [X]
99.) Worker's Village   [X]
100.) Altar   [X]
101.) Familiar   [X]
102.) Hireling   [X]
103.) Smithy   [X]
104.) Peddler   [X]
105.) Caravan   [X]
106.) Envoy   [X]
107.) Young Witch   [X]
108.) Salvager   [X]
109.) Mining Village   [X]
110.) Summon   [X]
111.) Plaza   [X]
112.) Remodel   [X]
113.) Gardens   [X]
114.) Fortress   [X]
115.) Save   [X]
116.) Armory   [X]
117.) Trader   [X]
118.) Bazaar   [X]
119.) City   [X]
120.) Farming Village   [X]
121.) Hunting Party   [X]
122.) Inn   [X]
123.) Walled Village   [X]
124.) Storyteller   [X]
125.) Squire   [X]
126.) Market   [X]
127.) University   [X]
128.) Bonfire   [X]
129.) Bishop   [X]
130.) Lighthouse   [X]
131.) Jester   [X]
132.) Plan   [X]
133.) Journeyman   [X]
134.) Cellar   [X]
135.) Moneylender   [X]
136.) Merchant Guild   [X]
137.) Ratcatcher   [X]
138.) Soothsayer   [X]
139.) Haven   [X]
140.) Marauder   [X]
141.) Wine Merchant   [X]
142.) Swamp Hag   [X]
143.) Horn of Plenty   [X]
144.) Island   [X]
145.) Knights   [X]
146.) Lost Arts   [X]
147.) Council Room   [X]
148.) Duplicate   [X]
149.) Trading Post   [X]
150.) Band of Misfits   [X]
151.) Scavenger   [X]
152.) Artificer   [X]
153.) Feodum   [X]
154.) Black Market   [X]
155.) Alchemist   [X]
156.) Borrow   [X]
157.) Wishing Well   [X]
158.) Messenger   [X]
159.) Oasis   [X]
160.) Workshop   [X]
161.) Ranger   [X]
162.) Oracle   [X]
163.) Shanty Town   [X]
164.) Horse Traders   [X]
165.) Tunnel   [X]
166.) Doctor   [X]
167.) Baron   [X]
168.) Silk Road   [X]
169.) Raid   [X]
170.) Coppersmith   [X]
171.) Golem   [X]
172.) Procession   [X]
173.) Miser   [X]
174.) Bureaucrat   [X]
175.) Expedition   [X]
176.) Rabble   [X]
177.) Giant   [X]
178.) Embassy   [X]
179.) Venture   [X]
180.) Treasury   [X]
181.) Ill-Gotten Gains   [X]
182.) Graverobber   [X]
183.) Possession   [X]
184.) Seaway   [X]
185.) Ball   [X]
186.) Mystic   [X]
187.) Trade   [X]
188.) Tactician   [X]
189.) Moat   [X]
190.) Explorer   [X]
191.) Pilgrimage   [X]
192.) Advisor   [X]
193.) Mine   [X]
194.) Poor House   [X]
195.) Mission   [X]
196.) Merchant Ship   [X]
197.) Smugglers   [X]
198.) Vagrant   [X]
199.) Rogue   [X]
200.) Masterpiece   [X]
201.) Mint   [X]
202.) Counting House   [X]
203.) Embargo   [X]
204.) Storeroom   [X]
205.) Native Village   [X]
206.) Cutpurse   [X]
207.) Sage   [X]
208.) Bank   [X]
209.) Prince   [X]
210.) Cartographer   [X]
211.) Nomad Camp   [X]
212.) Guide   [X]
213.) Tribute   [X]
214.) Secret Chamber   [X]
215.) Death Cart   [X]
216.) Treasure Map   [X]
217.) Royal Seal   [X]
218.) Develop   [X]
219.) Beggar   [X]
220.) Noble Brigand   [X]
221.) Cache   [X]
222.) Expand   [X]
223.) Woodcutter   [X]
224.) Talisman   [X]
225.) Outpost   [X]
226.) Pirate Ship   [X]
227.) Trade Route   [X]
228.) Hoard   [X]
229.) Transmogrify   [X]
230.) Saboteur   [X]
231.) Caravan Guard   [X]
232.) Navigator   [X]
233.) Pillage   [X]
234.) Harem   [X]
235.) Spy   [X]
236.) Great Hall   [X]
237.) Mandarin   [X]
238.) Quest   [X]
239.) Taxman   [X]
240.) Fortune Teller   [X]
241.) Farmland   [X]
242.) Herbalist   [X]
243.) Philosopher's Stone   [X]
244.) Feast   [X]
245.) Stash   [X]
246.) Scouting Party   [X]
247.) Loan   [X]
248.) Contraband   [X]
249.) Pearl Diver   [X]
250.) Harvest   [X]
251.) Rats   [X]
252.) Duchess   [X]
253.) Scout   [X]
254.) Thief   [X]
255.) Transmute   [X]
256.) Chancellor   [X]
257.) Adventurer   [X]

I will be working on the favorites list after the weekend. Not sure if I'll do the art rankings, never really took a look at them, but maybe if I'm bored.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #53 on: October 13, 2016, 06:32:11 pm »
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Are you all sure it isn't faster to just do a manual full ranking at this point compared to dueling?

Last year I manually ranked the cards in the category lists, then made a full list using a merge sort strategy. I would pop one of the current leaders in the category list to place as the next entry in the full list.

Not sure if I'll do the favourites lists or the card art list.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #54 on: October 14, 2016, 07:01:41 pm »
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Are you all sure it isn't faster to just do a manual full ranking at this point compared to dueling?

Last year I manually ranked the cards in the category lists, then made a full list using a merge sort strategy. I would pop one of the current leaders in the category list to place as the next entry in the full list.

Not sure if I'll do the favourites lists or the card art list.

Dueling is fun though.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #55 on: October 15, 2016, 08:42:41 am »
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Again this error, when I want to make the art-list:

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #56 on: October 15, 2016, 12:53:07 pm »
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Is it Ok to do the all cards list partially?  So like, I don't really care if people think Cartographer is better than Lookout (i.e. all the low- and mid-tier cards), but I am curious if people think Ambassador is better than Monty, etc.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #57 on: October 15, 2016, 04:28:18 pm »
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Is it Ok to do the all cards list partially?  So like, I don't really care if people think Cartographer is better than Lookout (i.e. all the low- and mid-tier cards), but I am curious if people think Ambassador is better than Monty, etc.

That's kinda what I did, after doing the individual cost lists more thoroughly. I ordered the top and bottom 30 more precisely, and beyond that I just skimmed if I saw anything I wanted differently.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #58 on: October 15, 2016, 07:57:25 pm »
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I finished my $5 card ranking, pressed the 'save' button at the end of the list, and went back to look at them again and they had gotten mixed up. what happened?

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #59 on: October 16, 2016, 12:40:34 pm »
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Is it Ok to do the all cards list partially?  So like, I don't really care if people think Cartographer is better than Lookout (i.e. all the low- and mid-tier cards), but I am curious if people think Ambassador is better than Monty, etc.

Depends on what you mean with partially. If you just stop doing compare mode after a while and you're content with the top of your list, it's fine.
But if you do compare mode only for the best cards and click "Don't know" on the other cards, then it has the problem that the worst cards of your e.g. Top 20 gets a 0% rating what is not what you want to accomplish.

I finished my $5 card ranking, pressed the 'save' button at the end of the list, and went back to look at them again and they had gotten mixed up. what happened?

Uhm, not sure. Testing worked fine by me and others also don't seem to have problems. Which mode did you use? Ordering or Rating?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #60 on: October 16, 2016, 12:46:03 pm »
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If we rank them all using the two card duels, how many duels will there be?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #61 on: October 16, 2016, 12:50:12 pm »
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If we rank them all using the two card duels, how many duels will there be?

Not exactly, but a lot, I'm pretty sure over 1000.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #62 on: October 16, 2016, 12:51:54 pm »
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And I did it for 3,5 hours in the for the best list.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #63 on: October 16, 2016, 02:13:06 pm »
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I finished the best one, kind of gave up on the favorite one, and the art one is just taking forever.  I just want to push Harbinger and Young Witch higher, is that too much to ask??? :(
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #64 on: October 16, 2016, 03:49:12 pm »
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I finished my $5 card ranking, pressed the 'save' button at the end of the list, and went back to look at them again and they had gotten mixed up. what happened?

Uhm, not sure. Testing worked fine by me and others also don't seem to have problems. Which mode did you use? Ordering or Rating?
Ordering
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #65 on: October 16, 2016, 07:54:30 pm »
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Does it save automatically? What do I do when I'm done?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #66 on: October 17, 2016, 01:37:04 am »
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Does it save automatically? What do I do when I'm done?
There is a dropdown menu, where you chose the set in the top left corner. Below it, there is a dropdown menu which says "not saved". You should change it to "(mode) marked as finished".
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #67 on: October 17, 2016, 07:36:17 am »
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I finished my $5 card ranking, pressed the 'save' button at the end of the list, and went back to look at them again and they had gotten mixed up. what happened?

Uhm, not sure. Testing worked fine by me and others also don't seem to have problems. Which mode did you use? Ordering or Rating?
Ordering

The only way that may happen that I can think of, is that you did compare cards already in "all the cards". Ordering deletes every previous vote in duels within the same list, but not all cards which means a scenario in which A>B>C where A and C are $5 cards and B is from a different category, the indirect vote A>C doesn't get deleted. So if you now vote C>A in order mode, there's a contradiction. Normally I delete in this case an old vote and it should work anyway, but maybe this doesn't work as well as it should. If this is the case, I can't fix that right now, if this wasn't the case, I'm even more clueless, sorry.


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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #68 on: October 17, 2016, 03:57:49 pm »
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Holy shit, what did I do???
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #69 on: October 17, 2016, 04:06:42 pm »
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Getting an issue where instead of loading the next 2 cards to compare, it just loads a white square where that part of the interface should be. The only weird thing I did was start rating Tax, then changed my mind, X'd it, and selected "I don't know this card" for it.

For a few iterations I could switch from one cost to another to get cards to show up, but now it's stuck this way.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #70 on: October 17, 2016, 06:19:37 pm »
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Getting an issue where instead of loading the next 2 cards to compare, it just loads a white square where that part of the interface should be. The only weird thing I did was start rating Tax, then changed my mind, X'd it, and selected "I don't know this card" for it.

For a few iterations I could switch from one cost to another to get cards to show up, but now it's stuck this way.

Not sure I can follow you. Maybe post a screenshot?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #71 on: October 17, 2016, 07:22:06 pm »
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Getting the following error message with every screen:

Deprecated: mysql_connect(): The mysql extension is deprecated and will be removed in the future: use mysqli or PDO instead in /kunden/418812_74740/webseiten/dommesh/class.MySQL.php on line 30
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #72 on: October 17, 2016, 07:23:02 pm »
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Getting the following error message with every screen:

Deprecated: mysql_connect(): The mysql extension is deprecated and will be removed in the future: use mysqli or PDO instead in /kunden/418812_74740/webseiten/dommesh/class.MySQL.php on line 30
I get that too!
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #73 on: October 17, 2016, 08:13:29 pm »
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Getting the following error message with every screen:

Deprecated: mysql_connect(): The mysql extension is deprecated and will be removed in the future: use mysqli or PDO instead in /kunden/418812_74740/webseiten/dommesh/class.MySQL.php on line 30
I get that too!

Gah. I changed my hosting contract and before that they wanted me to update PHP. Not sure why it's showing the error though because I turned showing the errors off. I will fix tomorrow.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #74 on: October 18, 2016, 05:00:22 am »
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Oops, I accidentally created an extra account on your website (Aleimon Thimble with a space). My corrrect account is AleimonThimble without the space. Please ignore the first one :)
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