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The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« on: October 11, 2016, 06:32:45 pm »
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Four years passed since the first Dominion Card Lists were compiled, the skill level of all players raised and a lot of new knowledge is gained. Again a new expansion was released and everyone is eager to learn how the new cards rank. That means it's time for the 2016 edition of the Dominion Card Lists.

What do you have to do?
This time there are 3 lists due to popular demand. If you like to contribute, go to http://www.qvist.de/dommesh for the best cards list, http://www.qvist.de/dommesh_fav for your favourite cards and http://www.qvist.de/dommesh_art for the best card art.
This video walks you basically through how the web app works or just read on:


I'm not the best web designer to make it look nice, but it works. You have 3 options to submit your list. You can 1.) compare two cards at a time or 2.) order the cards all at once in a big list or 3.) rate them with numerical values. If you do the first option, the app will tell you when you're done and no new "card duel" is available anymore. Internally option 1 and 2 is stored in one list and option 3 in a separate list. There are 2 links for exporting one list to another, so you can for example first give each card a numerical value for a rough estimate and then copy the list and fine tune it by either ordering them or do the remaining comparisms. I didn't include a registration or anything like that for this simple app. You can just login by your Making Fun name and any password you like. The next time you login you just have to remember the password you've set on your first login. I expect that nobody will trick me by using a user name of anyone else. If you have no Making Fun account, just use a user name of your choice. I will also still accept PMs if you still want to do that in the old fashioned way. If you send me a PM please be sure that you put each card in order and don't miss any. If you don't know an expansion very well you can choose to leave it out. But be sure that if you want to include a card of a specific expansion, you have to rank all cards of the expansion. There are no restriction with Promo cards, so if you don't know e.g. Summon very well, you can leave it out.

Cards are only counted if they are kingdom cards, so no Copper, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Potion, Estate, Duchy, Province, Colony, Curse, Prizes, Shelters, Ruins, Spoils, Madman, Mercenary, individual Knights, Treasure Hunter, Warrior, Hero, Champion, Soldier, Fugitive, Disciple or Teacher are allowed. If you want to look up the card texts and also the last year's lists, just go to our wiki. http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com
Regarding Empires: The majority wanted to treat the debt cards like normal coins cost, Castles are in $6+ as the majority costs $6 or more and the rest of the split piles get both cards to rank, so keep that in mind when ranking/rating.
Regarding 2nd Editions: They were just announced, so the new cards aren't available for the first two lists, but you can vote for them in the Art List. The old cards are also still available to rank.
If you submit your list, you also agree that I may give this to third party, like theory or rrenaud. If you don't agree send me a PM.

If you've submitted last year, I will not take your last submission into account.
But if you didn't save your last year's submission and you need it, feel free to PM me and I will send it to you.
Just arrange the cards for your ranking with the best card going first and the worst on the last position.

I included extra lists for Prizes, individual Knights, Ruins, Events and Landmarks. These are optional, you don't have to rank them if you don't want.
You can also if you want rank all the kingdom cards in one big list. This is also optional as this takes a lot of time.
If you want PM me, this list should be subdivided into several lists, containing:
39 $0-$2 cards, 49 $3 cards, 73 $4 cards, 96 $5 cards, 32 $6+ cards, 10 Potion cards = 299

Usual disclaimer: This list should cause discussion not hassle. Of course it's difficult to compare some of the cards because pretty much every card has some situations where it shines and situations where it doesn't. This isn't a scientific list, just a compiled list of the community's opinion of the best cards.

Card List:
Code: [Select]
39 $0-$2 cards
Cellar (Base)
Chapel (Base)
Moat (Base)
Courtyard (Intrigue)
Pawn (Intrigue)
Secret Chamber (Intrigue)
Embargo (Seaside)
Haven (Seaside)
Lighthouse (Seaside)
Native Village (Seaside)
Pearl Diver (Seaside)
Herbalist (Alchemy)
Hamlet (Cornucopia)
Crossroads (Hinterlands)
Duchess (Hinterlands)
Fool's Gold (Hinterlands)
Beggar (Dark Ages)
Poor House (Dark Ages)
Squire (Dark Ages)
Vagrant (Dark Ages)
Candlestick Maker (Guilds)
Stonemason (Guilds)
Coin of the Realm (Adventures)
Page (Adventures)
Peasant (Adventures)
Ratcatcher (Adventures)
Raze (Adventures)
Alms (Adventures)
Borrow (Adventures)
Quest (Adventures)
Save (Adventures)
Scouting Party (Adventures)
Travelling Fair (Adventures)
Encampment (Empires)
Patrician (Empires)
Settlers (Empires)
Advance (Empires)
Delve (Empires)
Tax (Empires)


49 $3 cards
Chancellor (Base)
Village (Base)
Woodcutter (Base)
Workshop (Base)
Great Hall (Intrigue)
Masquerade (Intrigue)
Shanty Town (Intrigue)
Steward (Intrigue)
Swindler (Intrigue)
Wishing Well (Intrigue)
Ambassador (Seaside)
Fishing Village (Seaside)
Lookout (Seaside)
Smugglers (Seaside)
Warehouse (Seaside)
Loan (Prosperity)
Trade Route (Prosperity)
Watchtower (Prosperity)
Fortune Teller (Cornucopia)
Menagerie (Cornucopia)
Develop (Hinterlands)
Oasis (Hinterlands)
Oracle (Hinterlands)
Scheme (Hinterlands)
Tunnel (Hinterlands)
Forager (Dark Ages)
Hermit/Madman (Dark Ages)
Market Square (Dark Ages)
Sage (Dark Ages)
Storeroom (Dark Ages)
Urchin/Mercenary (Dark Ages)
Doctor (Guilds)
Masterpiece (Guilds)
Amulet (Adventures)
Caravan Guard (Adventures)
Dungeon (Adventures)
Gear (Adventures)
Guide (Adventures)
Bonfire (Adventures)
Expedition (Adventures)
Ferry (Adventures)
Plan (Adventures)
Catapult (Empires)
Chariot Race (Empires)
Enchantress (Empires)
Farmers' Market (Empires)
Gladiator (Empires)
Banquet (Empires)
Black Market (Promo)


73 $4 cards
Bureaucrat (Base)
Feast (Base)
Gardens (Base)
Militia (Base)
Moneylender (Base)
Remodel (Base)
Smithy (Base)
Spy (Base)
Thief (Base)
Throne Room (Base)
Baron (Intrigue)
Bridge (Intrigue)
Conspirator (Intrigue)
Coppersmith (Intrigue)
Ironworks (Intrigue)
Mining Village (Intrigue)
Scout (Intrigue)
Caravan (Seaside)
Cutpurse (Seaside)
Island (Seaside)
Navigator (Seaside)
Pirate Ship (Seaside)
Salvager (Seaside)
Sea Hag (Seaside)
Treasure Map (Seaside)
Bishop (Prosperity)
Monument (Prosperity)
Quarry (Prosperity)
Talisman (Prosperity)
Worker's Village (Prosperity)
Farming Village (Cornucopia)
Horse Traders (Cornucopia)
Remake (Cornucopia)
Tournament (Cornucopia)
Young Witch (Cornucopia)
Jack of all Trades (Hinterlands)
Noble Brigand (Hinterlands)
Nomad Camp (Hinterlands)
Silk Road (Hinterlands)
Spice Merchant (Hinterlands)
Trader (Hinterlands)
Armory (Dark Ages)
Death Cart (Dark Ages)
Feodum (Dark Ages)
Fortress (Dark Ages)
Ironmonger (Dark Ages)
Marauder (Dark Ages)
Procession (Dark Ages)
Rats (Dark Ages)
Scavenger (Dark Ages)
Wandering Minstrel (Dark Ages)
Advisor (Guilds)
Herald (Guilds)
Plaza (Guilds)
Taxman (Guilds)
Duplicate (Adventures)
Magpie (Adventures)
Messenger (Adventures)
Miser (Adventures)
Port (Adventures)
Ranger (Adventures)
Transmogrify (Adventures)
Mission (Adventures)
Pilgrimage (Adventures)
Engineer (Empires)
Rocks (Empires)
Sacrifice (Empires)
Temple (Empires)
Villa (Empires)
Ritual (Empires)
Salt the Earth (Empires)
Envoy (Promo)
Walled Village (Promo)


96 $5 cards
Council Room (Base)
Festival (Base)
Laboratory (Base)
Library (Base)
Market (Base)
Mine (Base)
Witch (Base)
Duke (Intrigue)
Minion (Intrigue)
Saboteur (Intrigue)
Torturer (Intrigue)
Trading Post (Intrigue)
Tribute (Intrigue)
Upgrade (Intrigue)
Bazaar (Seaside)
Explorer (Seaside)
Ghost Ship (Seaside)
Merchant Ship (Seaside)
Outpost (Seaside)
Tactician (Seaside)
Treasury (Seaside)
Wharf (Seaside)
Apprentice (Alchemy)
City (Prosperity)
Contraband (Prosperity)
Counting House (Prosperity)
Mint (Prosperity)
Mountebank (Prosperity)
Rabble (Prosperity)
Royal Seal (Prosperity)
Vault (Prosperity)
Venture (Prosperity)
Harvest (Cornucopia)
Horn of Plenty (Cornucopia)
Hunting Party (Cornucopia)
Jester (Cornucopia)
Cache (Hinterlands)
Cartographer (Hinterlands)
Embassy (Hinterlands)
Haggler (Hinterlands)
Highway (Hinterlands)
Ill-Gotten Gains (Hinterlands)
Inn (Hinterlands)
Mandarin (Hinterlands)
Margrave (Hinterlands)
Stables (Hinterlands)
Bandit Camp (Dark Ages)
Band of Misfits (Dark Ages)
Catacombs (Dark Ages)
Counterfeit (Dark Ages)
Count (Dark Ages)
Cultist (Dark Ages)
Graverobber (Dark Ages)
Junk Dealer (Dark Ages)
Knights (Dark Ages)
Mystic (Dark Ages)
Pillage (Dark Ages)
Rebuild (Dark Ages)
Rogue (Dark Ages)
Baker (Guilds)
Butcher (Guilds)
Journeyman (Guilds)
Merchant Guild (Guilds)
Soothsayer (Guilds)
Artificer (Adventures)
Bridge Troll (Adventures)
Distant Lands (Adventures)
Giant (Adventures)
Haunted Woods (Adventures)
Lost City (Adventures)
Relic (Adventures)
Royal Carriage (Adventures)
Storyteller (Adventures)
Swamp Hag (Adventures)
Treasure Trove (Adventures)
Wine Merchant (Adventures)
Ball (Adventures)
Raid (Adventures)
Seaway (Adventures)
Trade (Adventures)
Plunder (Empires)
Emporium (Empires)
Bustling Village (Empires)
Archive (Empires)
Capital (Empires)
Charm (Empires)
Crown (Empires)
Forum (Empires)
Groundskeeper (Empires)
Legionary (Empires)
Wild Hunt (Empires)
Triumph (Empires)
Windfall (Empires)
Governor (Promo)
Stash (Promo)
Summon (Promo)


32 $6+ cards
Adventurer (Base)
Harem (Intrigue)
Nobles (Intrigue)
Goons (Prosperity)
Grand Market (Prosperity)
Hoard (Prosperity)
Bank (Prosperity)
Expand (Prosperity)
Forge (Prosperity)
King's Court (Prosperity)
Peddler (Prosperity)
Fairgrounds (Cornucopia)
Border Village (Hinterlands)
Farmland (Hinterlands)
Altar (Dark Ages)
Hunting Grounds (Dark Ages)
Hireling (Adventures)
Lost Arts (Adventures)
Training (Adventures)
Inheritance (Adventures)
Pathfinding (Adventures)
City Quarter (Empires)
Overlord (Empires)
Royal Blacksmith (Empires)
Castles (Empires)
Fortune (Empires)
Annex (Empires)
Donate (Empires)
Wedding (Empires)
Conquest (Empires)
Dominate (Empires)
Prince (Promo)


10 Potion cards
Transmute (Alchemy)
Vineyard (Alchemy)
Apothecary (Alchemy)
Scrying Pool (Alchemy)
University (Alchemy)
Alchemist (Alchemy)
Familiar (Alchemy)
Philosopher's Stone (Alchemy)
Golem (Alchemy)
Possession (Alchemy)

What else?
Submission deadline is the 20th of November 11:59pm UTC.
Each card will get a percentage value based on the rank. So your best card gets 100% and your worst gets 0%. This will result in a compiled list of all of your lists.
When I post the results, I will also include the ususal statistic data. I plan to make videos again for each list, just to give you my thoughts why I think this card landed where it did and some statistics.
If you encounter some bugs, just send me a PM and I'll fix them ASAP.

Let's see how many submissions we get this time. The more we get the better the rankings will be. I can't wait to get your submissions. If you have any questions, ask them here.

Results:

Ruins
$0-$2 cards
$3 cards
« Last Edit: December 10, 2016, 11:38:26 am by Qvist »
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2016, 06:33:59 pm »
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Yay!  Ranking now and enjoying it way more than I should.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2016, 06:53:43 pm »
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Let's go, kids!
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2016, 07:17:10 pm »
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This is how I am ranking the cards, for those who might want help:

Firstly, I will go to the rating section, and rate the cards there, starting from the $0-$2 section and then onward to all the sections, not forgetting to save before starting each new section. I am using 1-100 in increments of 5 (5, 10, 15, 20, etc). After you save each list, the cards will reorder themselves in the numerical value you assigned, highest first. From there, you can finetune and tweak to ensure some cards are above others, like rating a card 77 instead of 75, for example.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2016, 07:40:23 pm »
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Yay
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2016, 08:14:07 pm »
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I notice you included the removed cards. Not bad per se, just an observation.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2016, 10:43:14 pm »
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2016, 11:40:34 pm »
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How are you all rating Landmarks?  I ended up ranking them by a) how interesting I thought they were and 2) how much they impacted a given game.  To that end, I ended up putting Wall at #1.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2016, 12:13:41 am »
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I notice you included the removed cards. Not bad per se, just an observation.

The added cards aren't included yet, so I would just consider this a pre-Second Edition ranking.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2016, 12:21:13 am »
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I don't understand the "save" dropdown menu. The site does automatically save what I've put in so far, right?

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2016, 12:26:15 am »
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Having not participated in previous years, I'm finding this a fascinating exercise. Is a village-with-benefit "better" than a discard-attack-with-drawback? Is it "better" to get a similar effect from a $4 card or a $3 Event? What about Travelers, which cost $2 plus however many turns it takes to upgrade them? Do I take into account the fact that a card from a split pile always comes with its partner, or that there are only 5 copies of it? Even something like Fool's Gold vs Coin of the Realm is an interesting thing, just because the two cards share a surprising amount in common and yet they fill such different niches. I haven't even come to Landmarks yet.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2016, 05:14:31 am »
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I don't understand the "save" dropdown menu. The site does automatically save what I've put in so far, right?

Yeah, the site saves your progress automatically, but you have to "submit" when you're ready. Two reasons for that:
- Last year several people contacted me not to count their lists because they weren't ready. I couldn't tell from the database itself.
- Now that I included method 3 (rating cards) which is saved in a separate list, I need to know which list you are finally submitting, the compare/order list or the rate list, as you might have used both methods.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2016, 05:53:52 am »
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Yay  :D

Finished the $0-2 list (without Empires, for obvious reasons..), ending up with this list, which might be a starting point for discussion;
Code: [Select]
1.) Page   [X]
2.) Chapel   [X]
3.) Peasant   [X]
4.) Courtyard   [X]
5.) Travelling Fair   [X]
6.) Raze   [X]
7.) Stonemason   [X]
8.) Hamlet   [X]
9.) Crossroads   [X]
10.) Alms   [X]
11.) Coin of the Realm   [X]
12.) Candlestick Maker   [X]
13.) Pawn   [X]
14.) Fool's Gold   [X]
15.) Save   [X]
16.) Squire   [X]
17.) Lighthouse   [X]
18.) Cellar   [X]
19.) Ratcatcher   [X]
20.) Haven   [X]
21.) Borrow   [X]
22.) Moat   [X]
23.) Poor House   [X]
24.) Vagrant   [X]
25.) Embargo   [X]
26.) Native Village   [X]
27.) Secret Chamber   [X]
28.) Beggar   [X]
29.) Quest   [X]
30.) Herbalist   [X]
31.) Scouting Party   [X]
32.) Pearl Diver   [X]
33.) Duchess   [X]

Notable placements:

1. Page - Just like last year, I'm voting Page for #1. Chapel is strong, but not without its flaws; it's not great in BM, and in engines you have to be very careful not to overtrash, keeping the delicate balance of your engine intact. Page is always amazing. Even in BM, you can use the treasure gaining from Treasure Hunter and Hero to win. I can't remember ever NOT opening Page, except maybe on boards with uber-combos like CH/TFair or Hermit/Market Square. After a year extra of Adventures, as well as the online implementation, my opinion hasn't changed: Page should be #1.

5. Travelling Fair - Having +Buy on demand without ever having to add it to your deck is seriously underrated. It doesn't just enable engines without other +Buy, it can also just add extra buys whenever you need them. And don't forget the top-decking; no longer shall you be sad about opening 5/2 on an Ambassador board!

6. Raze - It's a non-terminal trasher with a small amount of sifting for $2. That's exactly as awesome as it sounds. I'm not sure how we missed that earlier (me included). (Ratcatcher is so much lower because it's so much slower and it doesn't sift...)

14. Fool's Gold - The days of Fool's Gold reign have passed. Engines are way stronger than back in the Hinterlands era, meaning Fool's Gold is forgettable a pretty high percentage of the time. It's still a pretty good BM card, but I don't feel it deserves a Top 10 spot anymore.

26. Native Village - I get the premise (+2 Actions +half a card), but it's way more awkward than it looks. It's so annoying when you set aside a card you really wanted right now, and you have to wait a shuffle before you see it again. It's just unreliable and not very strong.

27. Secret Chamber - This may just be the melancholy talking, but it doesn't look as bad as it always did, for some reason. I don't know, the reaction sucks, but it's usable as a poor man's Vault in quite a few cases.

31. Scouting Party - Like Pearl Diver, you only want it if you have $2 leftover and nothing better to spend it on. And even then it can backfire if you happen to reveal more than 2 good cards. Garbage.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2016, 06:00:48 am »
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Yay  :D

Finished the $0-2 list (without Empires, for obvious reasons..), ending up with this list, which might be a starting point for discussion;
Code: [Select]
1.) Page   [X]
2.) Chapel   [X]
3.) Peasant   [X]
4.) Courtyard   [X]
5.) Travelling Fair   [X]
6.) Raze   [X]
7.) Stonemason   [X]
8.) Hamlet   [X]
9.) Crossroads   [X]
10.) Alms   [X]
11.) Coin of the Realm   [X]
12.) Candlestick Maker   [X]
13.) Pawn   [X]
14.) Fool's Gold   [X]
15.) Save   [X]
16.) Squire   [X]
17.) Lighthouse   [X]
18.) Cellar   [X]
19.) Ratcatcher   [X]
20.) Haven   [X]
21.) Borrow   [X]
22.) Moat   [X]
23.) Poor House   [X]
24.) Vagrant   [X]
25.) Embargo   [X]
26.) Native Village   [X]
27.) Secret Chamber   [X]
28.) Beggar   [X]
29.) Quest   [X]
30.) Herbalist   [X]
31.) Scouting Party   [X]
32.) Pearl Diver   [X]
33.) Duchess   [X]

Notable placements:

1. Page - Just like last year, I'm voting Page for #1. Chapel is strong, but not without its flaws; it's not great in BM, and in engines you have to be very careful not to overtrash, keeping the delicate balance of your engine intact. Page is always amazing. Even in BM, you can use the treasure gaining from Treasure Hunter and Hero to win. I can't remember ever NOT opening Page, except maybe on boards with uber-combos like CH/TFair or Hermit/Market Square. After a year extra of Adventures, as well as the online implementation, my opinion hasn't changed: Page should be #1.

5. Travelling Fair - Having +Buy on demand without ever having to add it to your deck is seriously underrated. It doesn't just enable engines without other +Buy, it can also just add extra buys whenever you need them. And don't forget the top-decking; no longer shall you be sad about opening 5/2 on an Ambassador board!

6. Raze - It's a non-terminal trasher with a small amount of sifting for $2. That's exactly as awesome as it sounds. I'm not sure how we missed that earlier (me included). (Ratcatcher is so much lower because it's so much slower and it doesn't sift...)

14. Fool's Gold - The days of Fool's Gold reign have passed. Engines are way stronger than back in the Hinterlands era, meaning Fool's Gold is forgettable a pretty high percentage of the time. It's still a pretty good BM card, but I don't feel it deserves a Top 10 spot anymore.

26. Native Village - I get the premise (+2 Actions +half a card), but it's way more awkward than it looks. It's so annoying when you set aside a card you really wanted right now, and you have to wait a shuffle before you see it again. It's just unreliable and not very strong.

27. Secret Chamber - This may just be the melancholy talking, but it doesn't look as bad as it always did, for some reason. I don't know, the reaction sucks, but it's usable as a poor man's Vault in quite a few cases.

31. Scouting Party - Like Pearl Diver, you only want it if you have $2 leftover and nothing better to spend it on. And even then it can backfire if you happen to reveal more than 2 good cards. Garbage.

I want to say two things about your rankings:
1) I rated Peasant higher than Page. Disciple and Teacher are the best ones in any engine. Champion makes all the cards non-terminal, but in the most cases you have one key card.
Teacher makes this key card non-terminal, + adds a card to another card + adds +$1 to another card. Disciple is ridiculously strong.
2) Scouting party is not that garbage. It's strongly better than Pearl Diver for a reason you don't add it to your deck and don't need a +buy. Perfect for big money. sometimes you can even spend 4$ to but two of them and sift and sift. I won many games using this.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2016, 06:17:10 am »
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I want to say two things about your rankings:
1) I rated Peasant higher than Page. Disciple and Teacher are the best ones in any engine. Champion makes all the cards non-terminal, but in the most cases you have one key card.
Teacher makes this key card non-terminal, + adds a card to another card + adds +$1 to another card. Disciple is ridiculously strong.
2) Scouting party is not that garbage. It's strongly better than Pearl Diver for a reason you don't add it to your deck and don't need a +buy. Perfect for big money. sometimes you can even spend 4$ to but two of them and sift and sift. I won many games using this.

1) Disciple and Teacher are very strong indeed, which is why I ranked Peasant #3, which is still pretty high. I don't think they're stronger than Champion as engine enablers. Teacher is even slower than Champion because it's a Reserve, and it's rare that you even have the time to throw down more than two tokens. The +Action token is also way worse than just straight up infinite Actions; there's some compensation because the +Card token is so strong, but I don't think that's enough to put Peasant above Page. At most, Page and Peasant are of similar strength for engines, in which case Page is still the overall better card since Peasant is almost useless in most BM variants. Sure, those are rare with a Traveller on the board, but they do exist (if there's no draw and no cantrips, for example).

2) But how often do you want to spend $2 or even $4 on sifting in BM? In must cases, you don't want to sacrifice a Province buy for a bit of sifting, I'd say. If you do buy Scouting Party, it's only because you have nothing better to buy. And yeah, then it might be useful, it might be slightly better than nothing, and it might even cause you to win when you otherwise wouldn't have. Any card can do that. I have trouble believing that it's common with Scouting Party, though.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2016, 06:48:52 am »
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2016, 08:32:48 am »
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Hot damn the "all Kingdom cards" list takes forever.  Not sure I'm even going to slog through the "favorite" or "art" lists...
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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2016, 08:41:41 am »
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Bug report!
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Now I get that same message whenever I try to log in.

I tried to figure that out. I get the same error on the website but copying the database locally and login there it totally works though being slow.
I assume it has something to do with exceeding the execution time or the memory limit, but all the settings seem fine.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2016, 10:00:53 am »
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Hot damn the "all Kingdom cards" list takes forever.  Not sure I'm even going to slog through the "favorite" or "art" lists...

The good news is you're doing all of your lists at the same time that way.

I'll probably do all the individual lists and then All Cards only if I still have time after all that.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2016, 10:06:49 am »
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You ranked courtyard too high. It's only slightly better than moat and you ranked that 22. Bm isn't really a thing anymore. Ratcatcher is probably stronger than raze but you didn't even put them close.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2016, 11:29:10 am »
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You ranked courtyard too high. It's only slightly better than moat and you ranked that 22. Bm isn't really a thing anymore.

I'm not sure, maybe 4th place is slightly too high, but I don't think it's worse than the cards directly below it. The top 3 is very clear and then there's a big gap. What should take 4th place otherwise, Stonemason or Hamlet? I'm not convinced about that either.

The flexibility provided by Courtyard is a pretty big improvement over Moat if you ask me. Also, BM most certainly is a thing, on some boards the engine is just too weak. Those boards have been getting rarer over the past couple of years, but they still exist.

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Well, for one thing Ratcatcher is way slower than Raze. The first things you trash with either of them are likely going to be Estates, but Raze can start with that as early as turn 3, whereas Ratcatcher is always at least a turn slower, and it misses the shuffle more often than not. That's never a good thing, but it's especially bad for trashers. Raze has the added bonus of providing a small amount of sifting/cycling - you might see your other opening buy when you otherwise wouldn't have, and you're getting through your junk quicker.

When I first started playing Adventures, I also thought Ratcatcher was stronger than Raze, but now that I've played with them both often enough, I'm pretty sure Raze is way better.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2016, 11:46:19 am »
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I just got a comparison of Spy vs Spy. I originally had a Spy vs Some Empires Card. I clicked that I didn't know the Empires card, and it replaced it with another Spy.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2016, 11:47:50 am »
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I just got a comparison of Spy vs Spy. I originally had a Spy vs Some Empires Card. I clicked that I didn't know the Empires card, and it replaced it with another Spy.

What did you choose?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2016, 11:54:56 am »
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I just got a comparison of Spy vs Spy. I originally had a Spy vs Some Empires Card. I clicked that I didn't know the Empires card, and it replaced it with another Spy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spy_vs._Spy

Thanks for the report. This bug was reported last year, but couldn't reproduce it or thought I fixed it, can't remember. So it seems it happens when you click on "don't know". I will look into it.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2016, 12:08:16 pm »
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How are you all rating Landmarks?  I ended up ranking them by a) how interesting I thought they were and 2) how much they impacted a given game.  To that end, I ended up putting Wall at #1.
I rated landmarks by 1) how much they impact games, and 2) how much you "go" for them, putting priority on 1).  There are some, like Colonnade, that you always go for, but doesn't impact games that much.  As for how interesting they are, I feel that should be reserved for the "favorite" card rankings.

I also put Wall at #1, and Keep at #2.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2016, 12:31:35 pm »
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Question for Qvist: When we submit, does it automatically submit the rankings of all kingdom cards?  I have time to rank the individual categories, but I think the all-kingdom-card ranking will remain incomplete.

I also ran into a bug earlier, where my rankings kept on getting jumbled.  I'm pretty sure it's because I had two tabs open, one for favorite cards, one for best cards, and was doing them simultaneously.  So, uh, don't do that.  Luckily I copy my list over to a spreadsheet.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2016, 12:38:53 pm »
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Question for Qvist: When we submit, does it automatically submit the rankings of all kingdom cards?  I have time to rank the individual categories, but I think the all-kingdom-card ranking will remain incomplete.

I also ran into a bug earlier, where my rankings kept on getting jumbled.  I'm pretty sure it's because I had two tabs open, one for favorite cards, one for best cards, and was doing them simultaneously.  So, uh, don't do that.  Luckily I copy my list over to a spreadsheet.

You submit when you are ready with all the cards.
Having two tabs open shouldn't be a problem, especially with separate lists. Not sure what you mean with "getting jumbled". If you do compare mode the order changes quite a lot after each vote, so that's normal.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2016, 01:59:34 pm »
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Thanks again for this great work! I love to do the rankings so much. And now, there are 3 of them! :-D Ich think, my studies have to wait for the next days :-D

Do you have any idea how many duells there will be, when I do the duells of all cards?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2016, 02:02:16 pm »
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Thanks again for this great work! I love to do the rankings so much. And now, there are 3 of them! :-D Ich think, my studies have to wait for the next days :-D

Do you have any idea how many duells there will be, when I do the duells of all cards?

Not exactly, but a lot, I'm pretty sure over 1000.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2016, 02:20:12 pm »
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So are you only allowed to submit ranking/rating, or can you do both?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2016, 02:30:45 pm »
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So are you only allowed to submit ranking/rating, or can you do both?

Well if I allow you to submit both which one should I count?
No, you are only to submit one, that's why I even didn't give you the option to submit both.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2016, 02:54:47 pm »
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Thanks again for this great work! I love to do the rankings so much. And now, there are 3 of them! :-D Ich think, my studies have to wait for the next days :-D

Do you have any idea how many duells there will be, when I do the duells of all cards?

Not exactly, but a lot, I'm pretty sure over 1000.


Actually quite more than that, if you consider there's around 400 cards, that would result in around 80 thousand duels! So I really think that's quite an unpractical way, if you wanna rate all the cards. There might be an algorithm to make this number quite smaller (something like: if card A beats card B and Card B beats card, then card A automatically beats card C) but I[m not sure there is one.

On another note, had quite of a good time rating these yesterday, still haven't reached my final rankings yet though. It[s my first year doing these and I would like to thank Qvist for all your hard work putting these up! ^^
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2016, 03:04:46 pm »
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Thanks again for this great work! I love to do the rankings so much. And now, there are 3 of them! :-D Ich think, my studies have to wait for the next days :-D

Do you have any idea how many duells there will be, when I do the duells of all cards?

Not exactly, but a lot, I'm pretty sure over 1000.

Actually quite more than that, if you consider there's around 400 cards, that would result in around 80 thousand duels! So I really think that's quite an unpractical way, if you wanna rate all the cards. There might be an algorithm to make this number quite smaller (something like: if card A beats card B and Card B beats card, then card A automatically beats card C) but I[m not sure there is one.

On another note, had quite of a good time rating these yesterday, still haven't reached my final rankings yet though. It[s my first year doing these and I would like to thank Qvist for all your hard work putting these up! ^^

First, it's 300 cards (299 to be exact) and second, yeah the algorithm is already optimized for as few duels as possible. No way it's 80000.
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« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2016, 03:22:24 pm »
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Thanks again for this great work! I love to do the rankings so much. And now, there are 3 of them! :-D Ich think, my studies have to wait for the next days :-D

Do you have any idea how many duells there will be, when I do the duells of all cards?

Not exactly, but a lot, I'm pretty sure over 1000.

Actually quite more than that, if you consider there's around 400 cards, that would result in around 80 thousand duels! So I really think that's quite an unpractical way, if you wanna rate all the cards. There might be an algorithm to make this number quite smaller (something like: if card A beats card B and Card B beats card, then card A automatically beats card C) but I[m not sure there is one.

On another note, had quite of a good time rating these yesterday, still haven't reached my final rankings yet though. It[s my first year doing these and I would like to thank Qvist for all your hard work putting these up! ^^

First, it's 300 cards (299 to be exact) and second, yeah the algorithm is already optimized for as few duels as possible. No way it's 80000.

In the art rankings there are 394 different cards and I actually tried doing it by duels yesterday, since I thought it was easier to judge the art that way, but after some 400ish duels and apparently going nowhere, I gave up on it... hehe
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« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2016, 03:52:04 pm »
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My - rankings:

1.) Peasant   [X]
2.) Page   [X]
3.) Chapel   [X]
4.) Alms   [X]
5.) Stonemason   [X]
6.) Borrow   [X]
7.) Coin of the Realm   [X]
8.) Fool's Gold   [X]
9.) Delve   [X]
10.) Encampment   [X]
11.) Raze   [X]
12.) Hamlet   [X]
13.) Save   [X]
14.) Squire   [X]
15.) Ratcatcher   [X]
16.) Scouting Party   [X]
17.) Candlestick Maker   [X]
18.) Poor House   [X]
19.) Lighthouse   [X]
20.) Beggar   [X]
21.) Advance   [X]
22.) Crossroads   [X]
23.) Pawn   [X]
24.) Embargo   [X]
25.) Settlers   [X]
26.) Courtyard   [X]
27.) Patrician   [X]
28.) Vagrant   [X]
29.) Cellar   [X]
30.) Moat   [X]
31.) Herbalist   [X]
32.) Travelling Fair   [X]
33.) Native Village   [X]
34.) Haven   [X]
35.) Tax   [X]
36.) Quest   [X]
37.) Duchess   [X]
38.) Secret Chamber   [X]
39.) Pearl Diver   [X]
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« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2016, 04:01:56 pm »
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this is the list as i did it with ratings, so imagine everything has error bars of like 20 places if you weren't doing that already
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1.) Donate   [X]
2.) Masquerade   [X]
3.) Ambassador   [X]
4.) Cultist   [X]
5.) Chapel   [X]
6.) Mountebank   [X]
7.) Goons   [X]
8.) King's Court   [X]
9.) Remake   [X]
10.) Witch   [X]
11.) Wharf   [X]
12.) Peasant   [X]
13.) Page   [X]
14.) Rebuild   [X]
15.) Junk Dealer   [X]
16.) Upgrade   [X]
17.) Tournament   [X]
18.) Governor   [X]
19.) Urchin   [X]
20.) Steward   [X]
21.) Young Witch   [X]
22.) Grand Market   [X]
23.) City Quarter   [X]
24.) Ghost Ship   [X]
25.) Scrying Pool   [X]
26.) Sea Hag   [X]
27.) Forager   [X]
28.) Triumph   [X]
29.) Torturer   [X]
30.) Fishing Village   [X]
31.) Stonemason   [X]
32.) Vineyard   [X]
33.) Bridge   [X]
34.) Menagerie   [X]
35.) Hermit   [X]
36.) Swindler   [X]
37.) Horn of Plenty   [X]
38.) Ironmonger   [X]
39.) Gear   [X]
40.) Delve   [X]
41.) Margrave   [X]
42.) Counterfeit   [X]
43.) Royal Blacksmith   [X]
44.) Overlord   [X]
45.) Wandering Minstrel   [X]
46.) Amulet   [X]
47.) Hamlet   [X]
48.) Highway   [X]
49.) Bustling Village   [X]
50.) Minion   [X]
51.) Hunting Party   [X]
52.) Familiar   [X]
53.) Jack of all Trades   [X]
54.) Mission   [X]
55.) Bridge Troll   [X]
56.) Advance   [X]
57.) Peddler   [X]
58.) Herald   [X]
59.) Fortune   [X]
60.) Ferry   [X]
61.) Throne Room   [X]
62.) Squire   [X]
63.) Port   [X]
64.) Alms   [X]
65.) Inheritance   [X]
66.) Dominate   [X]
67.) Chariot Race   [X]
68.) Raze   [X]
69.) Royal Carriage   [X]
70.) Lost Arts   [X]
71.) Swamp Hag   [X]
72.) Gladiator   [X]
73.) Border Village   [X]
74.) Militia   [X]
75.) Smithy   [X]
76.) Archive   [X]
77.) Marauder   [X]
78.) Pathfinding   [X]
79.) Village   [X]
80.) Envoy   [X]
81.) Magpie   [X]
82.) Salt the Earth   [X]
83.) Lighthouse   [X]
84.) Borrow   [X]
85.) Dungeon   [X]
86.) Enchantress   [X]
87.) Wild Hunt   [X]
88.) Worker's Village   [X]
89.) Butcher   [X]
90.) Black Market   [X]
91.) Legionary   [X]
92.) Coin of the Realm   [X]
93.) Quarry   [X]
94.) Knights   [X]
95.) Crown   [X]
96.) Courtyard   [X]
97.) Encampment   [X]
98.) Hunting Grounds   [X]
99.) Patrician   [X]
100.) Watchtower   [X]
101.) Fortress   [X]
102.) Storyteller   [X]
103.) Bonfire   [X]
104.) Count   [X]
105.) Emporium   [X]
106.) Charm   [X]
107.) Villa   [X]
108.) Training   [X]
109.) Summon   [X]
110.) Ranger   [X]
111.) Altar   [X]
112.) Haggler   [X]
113.) Fool's Gold   [X]
114.) Groundskeeper   [X]
115.) Bazaar   [X]
116.) Conquest   [X]
117.) Lost City   [X]
118.) Plaza   [X]
119.) Save   [X]
120.) Distant Lands   [X]
121.) Apprentice   [X]
122.) Bandit Camp   [X]
123.) Conspirator   [X]
124.) Hireling   [X]
125.) Temple   [X]
126.) Farmers' Market   [X]
127.) Native Village   [X]
128.) Laboratory   [X]
129.) Apothecary   [X]
130.) Seaway   [X]
131.) Farming Village   [X]
132.) Haunted Woods   [X]
133.) Catapult   [X]
134.) Spice Merchant   [X]
135.) Tax   [X]
136.) Scheme   [X]
137.) Golem   [X]
138.) Expedition   [X]
139.) Transmogrify   [X]
140.) Mining Village   [X]
141.) Fairgrounds   [X]
142.) Settlers   [X]
143.) Plunder   [X]
144.) Ritual   [X]
145.) Monument   [X]
146.) Miser   [X]
147.) Stables   [X]
148.) Walled Village   [X]
149.) Band of Misfits   [X]
150.) Warehouse   [X]
151.) Library   [X]
152.) Capital   [X]
153.) Ratcatcher   [X]
154.) Forum   [X]
155.) Castles   [X]
156.) Wedding   [X]
157.) Giant   [X]
158.) Advisor   [X]
159.) Ill-Gotten Gains   [X]
160.) Salvager   [X]
161.) Relic   [X]
162.) Soothsayer   [X]
163.) Windfall   [X]
164.) Treasure Trove   [X]
165.) Sacrifice   [X]
166.) Doctor   [X]
167.) Embassy   [X]
168.) Shanty Town   [X]
169.) Caravan   [X]
170.) Council Room   [X]
171.) Engineer   [X]
172.) Procession   [X]
173.) Lookout   [X]
174.) Rabble   [X]
175.) Ironworks   [X]
176.) Ball   [X]
177.) Plan   [X]
178.) Duplicate   [X]
179.) City   [X]
180.) Candlestick Maker   [X]
181.) Nobles   [X]
182.) Banquet   [X]
183.) Moneylender   [X]
184.) Tactician   [X]
185.) Catacombs   [X]
186.) Journeyman   [X]
187.) University   [X]
188.) Merchant Guild   [X]
189.) Trading Post   [X]
190.) Market Square   [X]
191.) Annex   [X]
192.) Festival   [X]
193.) Alchemist   [X]
194.) Forge   [X]
195.) Artificer   [X]
196.) Baker   [X]
197.) Oracle   [X]
198.) Crossroads   [X]
199.) Pilgrimage   [X]
200.) Cutpurse   [X]
201.) Market   [X]
202.) Vault   [X]
203.) Horse Traders   [X]
204.) Wine Merchant   [X]
205.) Guide   [X]
206.) Inn   [X]
207.) Loan   [X]
208.) Prince   [X]
209.) Possession   [X]
210.) Rocks   [X]
211.) Wishing Well   [X]
212.) Jester   [X]
213.) Storeroom   [X]
214.) Bishop   [X]
215.) Pawn   [X]
216.) Remodel   [X]
217.) Develop   [X]
218.) Rogue   [X]
219.) Scouting Party   [X]
220.) Oasis   [X]
221.) Trade   [X]
222.) Armory   [X]
223.) Caravan Guard   [X]
224.) Baron   [X]
225.) Travelling Fair   [X]
226.) Graverobber   [X]
227.) Cartographer   [X]
228.) Poor House   [X]
229.) Expand   [X]
230.) Vagrant   [X]
231.) Trade Route   [X]
232.) Quest   [X]
233.) Silk Road   [X]
234.) Bank   [X]
235.) Mystic   [X]
236.) Outpost   [X]
237.) Pillage   [X]
238.) Duke   [X]
239.) Messenger   [X]
240.) Venture   [X]
241.) Nomad Camp   [X]
242.) Scavenger   [X]
243.) Mint   [X]
244.) Death Cart   [X]
245.) Tunnel   [X]
246.) Trader   [X]
247.) Gardens   [X]
248.) Island   [X]
249.) Talisman   [X]
250.) Feodum   [X]
251.) Raid   [X]
252.) Haven   [X]
253.) Smugglers   [X]
254.) Embargo   [X]
255.) Hoard   [X]
256.) Rats   [X]
257.) Merchant Ship   [X]
258.) Contraband   [X]
259.) Harem   [X]
260.) Taxman   [X]
261.) Cellar   [X]
262.) Masterpiece   [X]
263.) Workshop   [X]
264.) Farmland   [X]
265.) Treasury   [X]
266.) Noble Brigand   [X]
267.) Herbalist   [X]
268.) Beggar   [X]
269.) Moat   [X]
270.) Explorer   [X]
271.) Treasure Map   [X]
272.) Pirate Ship   [X]
273.) Tribute   [X]
274.) Sage   [X]
275.) Coppersmith   [X]
276.) Counting House   [X]
277.) Navigator   [X]
278.) Duchess   [X]
279.) Great Hall   [X]
280.) Stash   [X]
281.) Harvest   [X]
282.) Royal Seal   [X]
283.) Saboteur   [X]
284.) Philosopher's Stone   [X]
285.) Mine   [X]
286.) Fortune Teller   [X]
287.) Spy   [X]
288.) Thief   [X]
289.) Pearl Diver   [X]
290.) Woodcutter   [X]
291.) Mandarin   [X]
292.) Cache   [X]
293.) Feast   [X]
294.) Secret Chamber   [X]
295.) Chancellor   [X]
296.) Bureaucrat   [X]
297.) Adventurer   [X]
298.) Transmute   [X]
299.) Scout   [X]
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2016, 04:18:26 pm »
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So in 'rate mode', we can leave it blank if we don't know the card.  How do we do that in 'order mode'?

And re: ranking Landmarks (although those are actually some of the things I don't want to rank)... My only problem with rating them as "how much they impact the game", or "how much they alter conventional strategy", is that that is just a different thing than being good.  Take a card like Stonemason -- it impacts a lot of games it's in, in that it causes games to end in 3-piles much more often, therefore significantly changing the flow of the game.  But it itself is not very good (in my opinion).  And so should I rank it high or low?  I'd say low.  Same could be said about Landmarks.

Ranking a Landmark just feels like ranking a Province to me.  It's a way to get VP, equally available to all players in all games it's in.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2016, 04:30:40 pm »
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this is the list as i did it with ratings, so imagine everything has error bars of like 20 places if you weren't doing that already
Code: [Select]
1.) Donate   [X]
2.) Masquerade   [X]
3.) Ambassador   [X]
4.) Cultist   [X]
5.) Chapel   [X]
6.) Mountebank   [X]
7.) Goons   [X]
8.) King's Court   [X]
9.) Remake   [X]
10.) Witch   [X]
11.) Wharf   [X]
12.) Peasant   [X]
13.) Page   [X]
14.) Rebuild   [X]
15.) Junk Dealer   [X]
16.) Upgrade   [X]
17.) Tournament   [X]
18.) Governor   [X]
19.) Urchin   [X]
20.) Steward   [X]
21.) Young Witch   [X]
22.) Grand Market   [X]
23.) City Quarter   [X]
24.) Ghost Ship   [X]
25.) Scrying Pool   [X]
26.) Sea Hag   [X]
27.) Forager   [X]
28.) Triumph   [X]
29.) Torturer   [X]
30.) Fishing Village   [X]
31.) Stonemason   [X]
32.) Vineyard   [X]
33.) Bridge   [X]
34.) Menagerie   [X]
35.) Hermit   [X]
36.) Swindler   [X]
37.) Horn of Plenty   [X]
38.) Ironmonger   [X]
39.) Gear   [X]
40.) Delve   [X]
41.) Margrave   [X]
42.) Counterfeit   [X]
43.) Royal Blacksmith   [X]
44.) Overlord   [X]
45.) Wandering Minstrel   [X]
46.) Amulet   [X]
47.) Hamlet   [X]
48.) Highway   [X]
49.) Bustling Village   [X]
50.) Minion   [X]
51.) Hunting Party   [X]
52.) Familiar   [X]
53.) Jack of all Trades   [X]
54.) Mission   [X]
55.) Bridge Troll   [X]
56.) Advance   [X]
57.) Peddler   [X]
58.) Herald   [X]
59.) Fortune   [X]
60.) Ferry   [X]
61.) Throne Room   [X]
62.) Squire   [X]
63.) Port   [X]
64.) Alms   [X]
65.) Inheritance   [X]
66.) Dominate   [X]
67.) Chariot Race   [X]
68.) Raze   [X]
69.) Royal Carriage   [X]
70.) Lost Arts   [X]
71.) Swamp Hag   [X]
72.) Gladiator   [X]
73.) Border Village   [X]
74.) Militia   [X]
75.) Smithy   [X]
76.) Archive   [X]
77.) Marauder   [X]
78.) Pathfinding   [X]
79.) Village   [X]
80.) Envoy   [X]
81.) Magpie   [X]
82.) Salt the Earth   [X]
83.) Lighthouse   [X]
84.) Borrow   [X]
85.) Dungeon   [X]
86.) Enchantress   [X]
87.) Wild Hunt   [X]
88.) Worker's Village   [X]
89.) Butcher   [X]
90.) Black Market   [X]
91.) Legionary   [X]
92.) Coin of the Realm   [X]
93.) Quarry   [X]
94.) Knights   [X]
95.) Crown   [X]
96.) Courtyard   [X]
97.) Encampment   [X]
98.) Hunting Grounds   [X]
99.) Patrician   [X]
100.) Watchtower   [X]
101.) Fortress   [X]
102.) Storyteller   [X]
103.) Bonfire   [X]
104.) Count   [X]
105.) Emporium   [X]
106.) Charm   [X]
107.) Villa   [X]
108.) Training   [X]
109.) Summon   [X]
110.) Ranger   [X]
111.) Altar   [X]
112.) Haggler   [X]
113.) Fool's Gold   [X]
114.) Groundskeeper   [X]
115.) Bazaar   [X]
116.) Conquest   [X]
117.) Lost City   [X]
118.) Plaza   [X]
119.) Save   [X]
120.) Distant Lands   [X]
121.) Apprentice   [X]
122.) Bandit Camp   [X]
123.) Conspirator   [X]
124.) Hireling   [X]
125.) Temple   [X]
126.) Farmers' Market   [X]
127.) Native Village   [X]
128.) Laboratory   [X]
129.) Apothecary   [X]
130.) Seaway   [X]
131.) Farming Village   [X]
132.) Haunted Woods   [X]
133.) Catapult   [X]
134.) Spice Merchant   [X]
135.) Tax   [X]
136.) Scheme   [X]
137.) Golem   [X]
138.) Expedition   [X]
139.) Transmogrify   [X]
140.) Mining Village   [X]
141.) Fairgrounds   [X]
142.) Settlers   [X]
143.) Plunder   [X]
144.) Ritual   [X]
145.) Monument   [X]
146.) Miser   [X]
147.) Stables   [X]
148.) Walled Village   [X]
149.) Band of Misfits   [X]
150.) Warehouse   [X]
151.) Library   [X]
152.) Capital   [X]
153.) Ratcatcher   [X]
154.) Forum   [X]
155.) Castles   [X]
156.) Wedding   [X]
157.) Giant   [X]
158.) Advisor   [X]
159.) Ill-Gotten Gains   [X]
160.) Salvager   [X]
161.) Relic   [X]
162.) Soothsayer   [X]
163.) Windfall   [X]
164.) Treasure Trove   [X]
165.) Sacrifice   [X]
166.) Doctor   [X]
167.) Embassy   [X]
168.) Shanty Town   [X]
169.) Caravan   [X]
170.) Council Room   [X]
171.) Engineer   [X]
172.) Procession   [X]
173.) Lookout   [X]
174.) Rabble   [X]
175.) Ironworks   [X]
176.) Ball   [X]
177.) Plan   [X]
178.) Duplicate   [X]
179.) City   [X]
180.) Candlestick Maker   [X]
181.) Nobles   [X]
182.) Banquet   [X]
183.) Moneylender   [X]
184.) Tactician   [X]
185.) Catacombs   [X]
186.) Journeyman   [X]
187.) University   [X]
188.) Merchant Guild   [X]
189.) Trading Post   [X]
190.) Market Square   [X]
191.) Annex   [X]
192.) Festival   [X]
193.) Alchemist   [X]
194.) Forge   [X]
195.) Artificer   [X]
196.) Baker   [X]
197.) Oracle   [X]
198.) Crossroads   [X]
199.) Pilgrimage   [X]
200.) Cutpurse   [X]
201.) Market   [X]
202.) Vault   [X]
203.) Horse Traders   [X]
204.) Wine Merchant   [X]
205.) Guide   [X]
206.) Inn   [X]
207.) Loan   [X]
208.) Prince   [X]
209.) Possession   [X]
210.) Rocks   [X]
211.) Wishing Well   [X]
212.) Jester   [X]
213.) Storeroom   [X]
214.) Bishop   [X]
215.) Pawn   [X]
216.) Remodel   [X]
217.) Develop   [X]
218.) Rogue   [X]
219.) Scouting Party   [X]
220.) Oasis   [X]
221.) Trade   [X]
222.) Armory   [X]
223.) Caravan Guard   [X]
224.) Baron   [X]
225.) Travelling Fair   [X]
226.) Graverobber   [X]
227.) Cartographer   [X]
228.) Poor House   [X]
229.) Expand   [X]
230.) Vagrant   [X]
231.) Trade Route   [X]
232.) Quest   [X]
233.) Silk Road   [X]
234.) Bank   [X]
235.) Mystic   [X]
236.) Outpost   [X]
237.) Pillage   [X]
238.) Duke   [X]
239.) Messenger   [X]
240.) Venture   [X]
241.) Nomad Camp   [X]
242.) Scavenger   [X]
243.) Mint   [X]
244.) Death Cart   [X]
245.) Tunnel   [X]
246.) Trader   [X]
247.) Gardens   [X]
248.) Island   [X]
249.) Talisman   [X]
250.) Feodum   [X]
251.) Raid   [X]
252.) Haven   [X]
253.) Smugglers   [X]
254.) Embargo   [X]
255.) Hoard   [X]
256.) Rats   [X]
257.) Merchant Ship   [X]
258.) Contraband   [X]
259.) Harem   [X]
260.) Taxman   [X]
261.) Cellar   [X]
262.) Masterpiece   [X]
263.) Workshop   [X]
264.) Farmland   [X]
265.) Treasury   [X]
266.) Noble Brigand   [X]
267.) Herbalist   [X]
268.) Beggar   [X]
269.) Moat   [X]
270.) Explorer   [X]
271.) Treasure Map   [X]
272.) Pirate Ship   [X]
273.) Tribute   [X]
274.) Sage   [X]
275.) Coppersmith   [X]
276.) Counting House   [X]
277.) Navigator   [X]
278.) Duchess   [X]
279.) Great Hall   [X]
280.) Stash   [X]
281.) Harvest   [X]
282.) Royal Seal   [X]
283.) Saboteur   [X]
284.) Philosopher's Stone   [X]
285.) Mine   [X]
286.) Fortune Teller   [X]
287.) Spy   [X]
288.) Thief   [X]
289.) Pearl Diver   [X]
290.) Woodcutter   [X]
291.) Mandarin   [X]
292.) Cache   [X]
293.) Feast   [X]
294.) Secret Chamber   [X]
295.) Chancellor   [X]
296.) Bureaucrat   [X]
297.) Adventurer   [X]
298.) Transmute   [X]
299.) Scout   [X]

Cool :) Even with those error bars, Masquerade seems awfully high on #2 and Bureaucrat awfully low on #296. Could you elaborate on those two?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2016, 06:23:23 pm »
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Thanks again for this great work! I love to do the rankings so much. And now, there are 3 of them! :-D Ich think, my studies have to wait for the next days :-D

Do you have any idea how many duells there will be, when I do the duells of all cards?

Not exactly, but a lot, I'm pretty sure over 1000.

Actually quite more than that, if you consider there's around 400 cards, that would result in around 80 thousand duels! So I really think that's quite an unpractical way, if you wanna rate all the cards. There might be an algorithm to make this number quite smaller (something like: if card A beats card B and Card B beats card, then card A automatically beats card C) but I[m not sure there is one.

On another note, had quite of a good time rating these yesterday, still haven't reached my final rankings yet though. It[s my first year doing these and I would like to thank Qvist for all your hard work putting these up! ^^

First, it's 300 cards (299 to be exact) and second, yeah the algorithm is already optimized for as few duels as possible. No way it's 80000.

In the art rankings there are 394 different cards and I actually tried doing it by duels yesterday, since I thought it was easier to judge the art that way, but after some 400ish duels and apparently going nowhere, I gave up on it... hehe

Yeah, forgot about the art rankings. There are a lot more cards in this list, there it takes even longer for sure. At least 1500 comparisms is my guess. Nothing I can do, it's already pretty optimised.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2016, 06:24:39 pm »
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So in 'rate mode', we can leave it blank if we don't know the card.  How do we do that in 'order mode'?

You can't directly. I explained it in my video. You can then go to compare mode and delete the cards after ordering them.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2016, 06:38:35 pm »
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Yeah, forgot about the art rankings. There are a lot more cards in this list, there it takes even longer for sure. At least 1500 comparisms is my guess. Nothing I can do, it's already pretty optimised.
If the algorithm is optimized, the average number comparisons is log(N!)/log(2).  Using Stirling's approximation, that's (N ln(N) - N)/ln(2).  For 394 pieces of art, that's about 2800 duels.

The number of clicks required is really quite unfortunate.  It's probably worthwhile to use the rating system first, and then transfer to comparison mode.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2016, 07:11:41 pm »
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Cool :)  Even with those error bars, Masquerade seems awfully high on #2 and Bureaucrat awfully low on #296. Could you elaborate on those two?
  masquerade is busted. draw 2, trash 1 is a force to be reckoned with in and of itself, and the other thing means that your opponent needs to have about 1/4 of the deck be some junk that she can pass. the last 1/4 of junk is a lot less important to get rid of than the first 1/4, but it's still a big deal. again, the thing that effect is sitting on is supergood.
  it's probably the same amount of good as ambassador (or at least it is really hard to know which one is better) but i put masq at the top because it's ~controversial~.
  bureaucrat sucks. its two things are not good individually, and they are also in conflict with each other when you put them on the same card. i don't know where it is within the bottom 20, but it isn't good at all.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2016, 08:26:17 pm »
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2016, 08:32:31 pm »
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doesn't line up exactly with this post, embarrassingly
Code: [Select]
1.) Fairgrounds   [X] 2.) Horn of Plenty   [X]
3.) Witch   [X]
4.) Village   [X]
5.) Distant Lands   [X]
6.) Menagerie   [X]
7.) Steward   [X]
8.) Band of Misfits   [X]
9.) Armory   [X]
10.) Triumph   [X]
11.) Mission   [X]
12.) Library   [X]
13.) Peasant   [X]
14.) Expedition   [X]
15.) Junk Dealer   [X]
16.) Tax   [X]
17.) Settlers   [X]
18.) Alms   [X]
19.) Remake   [X]
20.) Stonemason   [X]
21.) Royal Blacksmith   [X]
22.) Merchant Guild   [X]
23.) Moneylender   [X]
24.) Chariot Race   [X]
25.) Dominate   [X]
26.) Groundskeeper   [X]
27.) Hunting Grounds   [X]
28.) Apprentice   [X]
29.) Ironworks   [X]
30.) Fortress   [X]
31.) Save   [X]
32.) Gladiator   [X]
33.) Wild Hunt   [X]
34.) Altar   [X]
35.) Windfall   [X]
36.) Engineer   [X]
37.) Upgrade   [X]
38.) Bazaar   [X]
39.) Bridge Troll   [X]
40.) Patrician   [X]
41.) Festival   [X]
42.) Haggler   [X]
43.) Farmers' Market   [X]
44.) Bandit Camp   [X]
45.) Annex   [X]
46.) Enchantress   [X]
47.) Royal Carriage   [X]
48.) Workshop   [X]
49.) Capital   [X]
50.) Poor House   [X]
51.) Young Witch   [X]
52.) Hamlet   [X]
53.) Conspirator   [X]
54.) Advance   [X]
55.) Bonfire   [X]
56.) Prince   [X]
57.) Emporium   [X]
58.) University   [X]
59.) Border Village   [X]
60.) Giant   [X]
61.) Archive   [X]
62.) Laboratory   [X]
63.) Chapel   [X]
64.) Donate   [X]
65.) Messenger   [X]
66.) Artificer   [X]
67.) Amulet   [X]
68.) Counterfeit   [X]
69.) Native Village   [X]
70.) Wharf   [X]
71.) Vineyard   [X]
72.) Salvager   [X]
73.) Embargo   [X]
74.) Goons   [X]
75.) Forager   [X]
76.) Envoy   [X]
77.) Bustling Village   [X]
78.) Ironmonger   [X]
79.) Squire   [X]
80.) Harvest   [X]
81.) Black Market   [X]
82.) City Quarter   [X]
83.) Ball   [X]
84.) Ranger   [X]
85.) Butcher   [X]
86.) Storyteller   [X]
87.) Apothecary   [X]
88.) Wandering Minstrel   [X]
89.) Remodel   [X]
90.) Quarry   [X]
91.) Training   [X]
92.) Jester   [X]
93.) Overlord   [X]
94.) Coin of the Realm   [X]
95.) Golem   [X]
96.) Plaza   [X]
97.) Pirate Ship   [X]
98.) Fortune   [X]
99.) Fishing Village   [X]
100.) Charm   [X]
101.) Rabble   [X]
102.) Salt the Earth   [X]
103.) Wine Merchant   [X]
104.) Watchtower   [X]
105.) Candlestick Maker   [X]
106.) Inheritance   [X]
107.) Ambassador   [X]
108.) Forge   [X]
109.) Marauder   [X]
110.) Jack of all Trades   [X]
111.) Crossroads   [X]
112.) Masquerade   [X]
113.) Graverobber   [X]
114.) Fortune Teller   [X]
115.) Port   [X]
116.) Summon   [X]
117.) Castles   [X]
118.) Haunted Woods   [X]
119.) Travelling Fair   [X]
120.) Delve   [X]
121.) Pathfinding   [X]
122.) Swamp Hag   [X]
123.) Worker's Village   [X]
124.) Margrave   [X]
125.) Duplicate   [X]
126.) Count   [X]
127.) Outpost   [X]
128.) Banquet   [X]
129.) Raze   [X]
130.) Trading Post   [X]
131.) Crown   [X]
132.) Borrow   [X]
133.) Throne Room   [X]
134.) Miser   [X]
135.) Lookout   [X]
136.) Vault   [X]
137.) Tactician   [X]
138.) Spice Merchant   [X]
139.) Hermit   [X]
140.) Ratcatcher   [X]
141.) Lost City   [X]
142.) Gear   [X]
143.) Develop   [X]
144.) Encampment   [X]
145.) Temple   [X]
146.) Lost Arts   [X]
147.) Villa   [X]
148.) Trade Route   [X]
149.) Rogue   [X]
150.) Legionary   [X]
151.) Soothsayer   [X]
152.) Dungeon   [X]
153.) Journeyman   [X]
154.) Bridge   [X]
155.) Loan   [X]
156.) Smithy   [X]
157.) Catacombs   [X]
158.) King's Court   [X]
159.) Rats   [X]
160.) Mint   [X]
161.) Herald   [X]
162.) Advisor   [X]
163.) Wishing Well   [X]
164.) Conquest   [X]
165.) Cutpurse   [X]
166.) Pilgrimage   [X]
167.) Procession   [X]
168.) Chancellor   [X]
169.) Peddler   [X]
170.) Seaway   [X]
171.) Expand   [X]
172.) Doctor   [X]
173.) Magpie   [X]
174.) Farming Village   [X]
175.) Nobles   [X]
176.) Plan   [X]
177.) Forum   [X]
178.) Council Room   [X]
179.) Plunder   [X]
180.) Talisman   [X]
181.) Ghost Ship   [X]
182.) Wedding   [X]
183.) Vagrant   [X]
184.) Pillage   [X]
185.) Scouting Party   [X]
186.) Ferry   [X]
187.) Oasis   [X]
188.) Hunting Party   [X]
189.) Mandarin   [X]
190.) Sacrifice   [X]
191.) Bishop   [X]
192.) Treasure Trove   [X]
193.) Stables   [X]
194.) Familiar   [X]
195.) Coppersmith   [X]
196.) Minion   [X]
197.) Shanty Town   [X]
198.) Saboteur   [X]
199.) Warehouse   [X]
200.) Death Cart   [X]
201.) Walled Village   [X]
202.) Caravan Guard   [X]
203.) Bank   [X]
204.) Ritual   [X]
205.) Thief   [X]
206.) Torturer   [X]
207.) Pawn   [X]
208.) Relic   [X]
209.) Trade   [X]
210.) Contraband   [X]
211.) City   [X]
212.) Transmogrify   [X]
213.) Mining Village   [X]
214.) Market Square   [X]
215.) Monument   [X]
216.) Catapult   [X]
217.) Rocks   [X]
218.) Scavenger   [X]
219.) Horse Traders   [X]
220.) Scheme   [X]
221.) Hireling   [X]
222.) Storeroom   [X]
223.) Great Hall   [X]
224.) Treasure Map   [X]
225.) Oracle   [X]
226.) Militia   [X]
227.) Tournament   [X]
228.) Governor   [X]
229.) Woodcutter   [X]
230.) Nomad Camp   [X]
231.) Baker   [X]
232.) Grand Market   [X]
233.) Beggar   [X]
234.) Baron   [X]
235.) Page   [X]
236.) Hoard   [X]
237.) Sea Hag   [X]
238.) Embassy   [X]
239.) Mountebank   [X]
240.) Taxman   [X]
241.) Smugglers   [X]
242.) Farmland   [X]
243.) Market   [X]
244.) Mine   [X]
245.) Silk Road   [X]
246.) Merchant Ship   [X]
247.) Counting House   [X]
248.) Quest   [X]
249.) Feodum   [X]
250.) Swindler   [X]
251.) Guide   [X]
252.) Caravan   [X]
253.) Haven   [X]
254.) Tribute   [X]
255.) Alchemist   [X]
256.) Mystic   [X]
257.) Cellar   [X]
258.) Duchess   [X]
259.) Noble Brigand   [X]
260.) Gardens   [X]
261.) Knights   [X]
262.) Courtyard   [X]
263.) Venture   [X]
264.) Cartographer   [X]
265.) Duke   [X]
266.) Harem   [X]
267.) Sage   [X]
268.) Inn   [X]
269.) Trader   [X]
270.) Explorer   [X]
271.) Island   [X]
272.) Scout   [X]
273.) Navigator   [X]
274.) Herbalist   [X]
275.) Transmute   [X]
276.) Pearl Diver   [X]
277.) Cache   [X]
278.) Royal Seal   [X]
279.) Secret Chamber   [X]
280.) Masterpiece   [X]
281.) Tunnel   [X]
282.) Raid   [X]
283.) Moat   [X]
284.) Philosopher's Stone   [X]
285.) Ill-Gotten Gains   [X]
286.) Adventurer   [X]
287.) Fool's Gold   [X]
288.) Scrying Pool   [X]
289.) Feast   [X]
290.) Bureaucrat   [X]
291.) Stash   [X]
292.) Treasury   [X]
293.) Possession   [X]
294.) Urchin   [X]
295.) Spy   [X]
296.) Lighthouse   [X]
297.) Rebuild   [X]
298.) Highway   [X]

299.) Cultist   [X]
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2016, 02:25:50 am »
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I was doing aet rankings, made nearly half, left ir for the night and when I woke up site was crashed
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Wins: M87, M85, M92, M99, RMM37, RMM39, RMM44, BM24, M86, M94, M95, M100, ZM24
Losses: M88, M90, RMM38, NM8, NM9, M97, ZM23, NM10
Draws: RMM40
Lynched: M95, NM10
MVPs: RMM39, RMM44
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #45 on: October 13, 2016, 10:02:40 am »
+2

I've done the whole list (best cards) in duell-mode. It took me about 3,5 hours. Just if someone wants to know ;-)
The results are not quit exact, but over all, the most is ok, so I'll let it be like this.

And after all of this "work", I want to share my results:

0-2$
Code: [Select]
1.) Chapel   [X]
2.) Delve   [X]
3.) Squire   [X]
4.) Courtyard   [X]
5.) Page   [X]
6.) Lighthouse   [X]
7.) Advance   [X]
8.) Fool's Gold   [X]
9.) Native Village   [X]
10.) Crossroads   [X]
11.) Candlestick Maker   [X]
12.) Peasant   [X]
13.) Haven   [X]
14.) Coin of the Realm   [X]
15.) Hamlet   [X]
16.) Poor House   [X]
17.) Encampment   [X]
18.) Stonemason   [X]
19.) Cellar   [X]
20.) Travelling Fair   [X]
21.) Pawn   [X]
22.) Settlers   [X]
23.) Moat   [X]
24.) Vagrant   [X]
25.) Beggar   [X]
26.) Ratcatcher   [X]
27.) Save   [X]
28.) Patrician   [X]
29.) Embargo   [X]
30.) Alms   [X]
31.) Raze   [X]
32.) Secret Chamber   [X]
33.) Herbalist   [X]
34.) Quest   [X]
35.) Pearl Diver   [X]
36.) Scouting Party   [X]
37.) Duchess   [X]
38.) Borrow   [X]
39.) Tax   [X]
I think, Delve should not be #2. And Candlestick Maker and Stonemason could be higher, but ok.

3$
Code: [Select]
1.) Catapult   [X]
2.) Fishing Village   [X]
3.) Expedition   [X]
4.) Forager   [X]
5.) Steward   [X]
6.) Swindler   [X]
7.) Enchantress   [X]
8.) Farmers' Market   [X]
9.) Masterpiece   [X]
10.) Ambassador   [X]
11.) Masquerade   [X]
12.) Urchin   [X]
13.) Watchtower   [X]
14.) Sage   [X]
15.) Menagerie   [X]
16.) Amulet   [X]
17.) Dungeon   [X]
18.) Shanty Town   [X]
19.) Ferry   [X]
20.) Village   [X]
21.) Black Market   [X]
22.) Warehouse   [X]
23.) Market Square   [X]
24.) Scheme   [X]
25.) Fortune Teller   [X]
26.) Hermit   [X]
27.) Smugglers   [X]
28.) Storeroom   [X]
29.) Gladiator   [X]
30.) Oasis   [X]
31.) Doctor   [X]
32.) Loan   [X]
33.) Wishing Well   [X]
34.) Trade Route   [X]
35.) Chariot Race   [X]
36.) Tunnel   [X]
37.) Caravan Guard   [X]
38.) Lookout   [X]
39.) Workshop   [X]
40.) Chancellor   [X]
41.) Gear   [X]
42.) Oracle   [X]
43.) Bonfire   [X]
44.) Guide   [X]
45.) Great Hall   [X]
46.) Plan   [X]
47.) Banquet   [X]
48.) Develop   [X]
49.) Woodcutter   [X]
No idea, why Catapult is first, but I think, it is not bad. Chariot Race should definitly be higher, maybe Plan could be higher too.

4$
Code: [Select]
1.) Sea Hag   [X]
2.) Conspirator   [X]
3.) Wandering Minstrel   [X]
4.) Ritual   [X]
5.) Herald   [X]
6.) Silk Road   [X]
7.) Sacrifice   [X]
8.) Jack of all Trades   [X]
9.) Tournament   [X]
10.) Walled Village   [X]
11.) Quarry   [X]
12.) Monument   [X]
13.) Plaza   [X]
14.) Baron   [X]
15.) Worker's Village   [X]
16.) Young Witch   [X]
17.) Remake   [X]
18.) Smithy   [X]
19.) Ranger   [X]
20.) Bridge   [X]
21.) Transmogrify   [X]
22.) Remodel   [X]
23.) Magpie   [X]
24.) Ironworks   [X]
25.) Ironmonger   [X]
26.) Militia   [X]
27.) Cutpurse   [X]
28.) Death Cart   [X]
29.) Duplicate   [X]
30.) Engineer   [X]
31.) Messenger   [X]
32.) Pilgrimage   [X]
33.) Throne Room   [X]
34.) Caravan   [X]
35.) Villa   [X]
36.) Spice Merchant   [X]
37.) Temple   [X]
38.) Bishop   [X]
39.) Procession   [X]
40.) Horse Traders   [X]
41.) Scavenger   [X]
42.) Mining Village   [X]
43.) Envoy   [X]
44.) Fortress   [X]
45.) Farming Village   [X]
46.) Advisor   [X]
47.) Salvager   [X]
48.) Moneylender   [X]
49.) Miser   [X]
50.) Armory   [X]
51.) Marauder   [X]
52.) Navigator   [X]
53.) Trader   [X]
54.) Rats   [X]
55.) Island   [X]
56.) Talisman   [X]
57.) Mission   [X]
58.) Gardens   [X]
59.) Taxman   [X]
60.) Feodum   [X]
61.) Port   [X]
62.) Bureaucrat   [X]
63.) Feast   [X]
64.) Salt the Earth   [X]
65.) Coppersmith   [X]
66.) Rocks   [X]
67.) Pirate Ship   [X]
68.) Treasure Map   [X]
69.) Nomad Camp   [X]
70.) Spy   [X]
71.) Scout   [X]
72.) Thief   [X]
73.) Noble Brigand   [X]
Seems ok for me. Villa could be higher, Messenger lower, but no big deal.

5$
Code: [Select]
1.) Governor   [X]
2.) Torturer   [X]
3.) Rebuild   [X]
4.) Storyteller   [X]
5.) Apprentice   [X]
6.) Minion   [X]
7.) Baker   [X]
8.) Lost City   [X]
9.) Count   [X]
10.) Swamp Hag   [X]
11.) Wharf   [X]
12.) Margrave   [X]
13.) Laboratory   [X]
14.) Knights   [X]
15.) Mountebank   [X]
16.) Tactician   [X]
17.) Soothsayer   [X]
18.) Royal Carriage   [X]
19.) Crown   [X]
20.) Wild Hunt   [X]
21.) Mystic   [X]
22.) Haunted Woods   [X]
23.) Charm   [X]
24.) Cultist   [X]
25.) Ill-Gotten Gains   [X]
26.) Witch   [X]
27.) City   [X]
28.) Giant   [X]
29.) Merchant Guild   [X]
30.) Bridge Troll   [X]
31.) Plunder   [X]
32.) Ghost Ship   [X]
33.) Festival   [X]
34.) Junk Dealer   [X]
35.) Counterfeit   [X]
36.) Upgrade   [X]
37.) Inn   [X]
38.) Vault   [X]
39.) Butcher   [X]
40.) Catacombs   [X]
41.) Relic   [X]
42.) Raid   [X]
43.) Trading Post   [X]
44.) Bandit Camp   [X]
45.) Bustling Village   [X]
46.) Highway   [X]
47.) Horn of Plenty   [X]
48.) Bazaar   [X]
49.) Mint   [X]
50.) Council Room   [X]
51.) Emporium   [X]
52.) Forum   [X]
53.) Duke   [X]
54.) Stables   [X]
55.) Artificer   [X]
56.) Haggler   [X]
57.) Wine Merchant   [X]
58.) Triumph   [X]
59.) Treasury   [X]
60.) Stash   [X]
61.) Jester   [X]
62.) Treasure Trove   [X]
63.) Hunting Party   [X]
64.) Embassy   [X]
65.) Merchant Ship   [X]
66.) Mandarin   [X]
67.) Cartographer   [X]
68.) Trade   [X]
69.) Archive   [X]
70.) Band of Misfits   [X]
71.) Distant Lands   [X]
72.) Royal Seal   [X]
73.) Capital   [X]
74.) Harvest   [X]
75.) Contraband   [X]
76.) Venture   [X]
77.) Market   [X]
78.) Library   [X]
79.) Summon   [X]
80.) Outpost   [X]
81.) Tribute   [X]
82.) Graverobber   [X]
83.) Journeyman   [X]
84.) Rabble   [X]
85.) Ball   [X]
86.) Rogue   [X]
87.) Legionary   [X]
88.) Cache   [X]
89.) Explorer   [X]
90.) Pillage   [X]
91.) Seaway   [X]
92.) Groundskeeper   [X]
93.) Counting House   [X]
94.) Mine   [X]
95.) Windfall   [X]
96.) Saboteur   [X]
So many good cards... Should be ok.

6$+
Code: [Select]
1.) Dominate   [X]
2.) Fortune   [X]
3.) Inheritance   [X]
4.) Royal Blacksmith   [X]
5.) Pathfinding   [X]
6.) City Quarter   [X]
7.) Donate   [X]
8.) King's Court   [X]
9.) Goons   [X]
10.) Hireling   [X]
11.) Bank   [X]
12.) Annex   [X]
13.) Grand Market   [X]
14.) Conquest   [X]
15.) Prince   [X]
16.) Overlord   [X]
17.) Lost Arts   [X]
18.) Hunting Grounds   [X]
19.) Altar   [X]
20.) Hoard   [X]
21.) Training   [X]
22.) Expand   [X]
23.) Forge   [X]
24.) Border Village   [X]
25.) Nobles   [X]
26.) Fairgrounds   [X]
27.) Harem   [X]
28.) Adventurer   [X]
29.) Peddler   [X]
30.) Wedding   [X]
31.) Farmland   [X]
32.) Castles   [X]
Seems fine to me.

Potion
Code: [Select]
1.) Golem   [X]
2.) Possession   [X]
3.) Alchemist   [X]
4.) Familiar   [X]
5.) Scrying Pool   [X]
6.) Apothecary   [X]
7.) University   [X]
8.) Philosopher's Stone   [X]
9.) Vineyard   [X]
10.) Transmute   [X]
Fine too.

Ruins
Code: [Select]
1.) Survivors   [X]
2.) Ruined Library   [X]
3.) Abandoned Mine   [X]
4.) Ruined Market   [X]
5.) Ruined Village   [X]
Not sure with these. This is so much depending on the board, especially Ruined Market.

Prices
Code: [Select]
1.) Followers   [X]
2.) Trusty Steed   [X]
3.) Princess   [X]
4.) Bag of Gold   [X]
5.) Diadem   [X]
Perfect (for me), but not so difficult with just 5 cards ;-)

Knights
Code: [Select]
1.) Sir Michael   [X]
2.) Dame Anna   [X]
3.) Dame Molly   [X]
4.) Sir Bailey   [X]
5.) Sir Destry   [X]
6.) Dame Sylvia   [X]
7.) Dame Josephine   [X]
8.) Dame Natalie   [X]
9.) Sir Vander   [X]
10.) Sir Martin   [X]
Perfect too.

Events
Code: [Select]
1.) Dominate   [X]
2.) Inheritance   [X]
3.) Pathfinding   [X]
4.) Donate   [X]
5.) Annex   [X]
6.) Conquest   [X]
7.) Lost Arts   [X]
8.) Training   [X]
9.) Raid   [X]
10.) Triumph   [X]
11.) Ritual   [X]
12.) Trade   [X]
13.) Expedition   [X]
14.) Summon   [X]
15.) Pilgrimage   [X]
16.) Wedding   [X]
17.) Ball   [X]
18.) Ferry   [X]
19.) Seaway   [X]
20.) Delve   [X]
21.) Mission   [X]
22.) Advance   [X]
23.) Salt the Earth   [X]
24.) Windfall   [X]
25.) Bonfire   [X]
26.) Travelling Fair   [X]
27.) Plan   [X]
28.) Banquet   [X]
29.) Save   [X]
30.) Alms   [X]
31.) Quest   [X]
32.) Scouting Party   [X]
33.) Borrow   [X]
34.) Tax   [X]
Did not play with them much, but seems fine.

Landmarks
Code: [Select]
1.) Wall   [X]
2.) Wolf Den   [X]
3.) Museum   [X]
4.) Bandit Fort   [X]
5.) Keep   [X]
6.) Arena   [X]
7.) Basilica   [X]
8.) Obelisk   [X]
9.) Palace   [X]
10.) Triumphal Arch   [X]
11.) Orchard   [X]
12.) Mountain Pass   [X]
13.) Tower   [X]
14.) Defiled Shrine   [X]
15.) Aqueduct   [X]
16.) Colonnade   [X]
17.) Baths   [X]
18.) Battlefield   [X]
19.) Tomb   [X]
20.) Fountain   [X]
21.) Labyrinth   [X]
Yeah. There is no real strength of those. I ranked them in order how much they change and how diffucult they are to play.

All
Code: [Select]
1.) Dominate   [X]
2.) Fortune   [X]
3.) Inheritance   [X]
4.) Catapult   [X]
5.) Royal Blacksmith   [X]
6.) Pathfinding   [X]
7.) City Quarter   [X]
8.) Donate   [X]
9.) King's Court   [X]
10.) Governor   [X]
11.) Goons   [X]
12.) Hireling   [X]
13.) Golem   [X]
14.) Bank   [X]
15.) Annex   [X]
16.) Grand Market   [X]
17.) Torturer   [X]
18.) Conquest   [X]
19.) Prince   [X]
20.) Overlord   [X]
21.) Rebuild   [X]
22.) Lost Arts   [X]
23.) Hunting Grounds   [X]
24.) Altar   [X]
25.) Storyteller   [X]
26.) Possession   [X]
27.) Apprentice   [X]
28.) Hoard   [X]
29.) Minion   [X]
30.) Baker   [X]
31.) Lost City   [X]
32.) Training   [X]
33.) Count   [X]
34.) Expand   [X]
35.) Swamp Hag   [X]
36.) Wharf   [X]
37.) Forge   [X]
38.) Margrave   [X]
39.) Laboratory   [X]
40.) Border Village   [X]
41.) Knights   [X]
42.) Mountebank   [X]
43.) Tactician   [X]
44.) Soothsayer   [X]
45.) Royal Carriage   [X]
46.) Crown   [X]
47.) Wild Hunt   [X]
48.) Mystic   [X]
49.) Haunted Woods   [X]
50.) Charm   [X]
51.) Alchemist   [X]
52.) Nobles   [X]
53.) Cultist   [X]
54.) Ill-Gotten Gains   [X]
55.) Witch   [X]
56.) City   [X]
57.) Giant   [X]
58.) Merchant Guild   [X]
59.) Bridge Troll   [X]
60.) Plunder   [X]
61.) Familiar   [X]
62.) Ghost Ship   [X]
63.) Festival   [X]
64.) Junk Dealer   [X]
65.) Counterfeit   [X]
66.) Upgrade   [X]
67.) Inn   [X]
68.) Vault   [X]
69.) Butcher   [X]
70.) Catacombs   [X]
71.) Relic   [X]
72.) Raid   [X]
73.) Trading Post   [X]
74.) Bandit Camp   [X]
75.) Bustling Village   [X]
76.) Highway   [X]
77.) Scrying Pool   [X]
78.) Horn of Plenty   [X]
79.) Bazaar   [X]
80.) Mint   [X]
81.) Fairgrounds   [X]
82.) Council Room   [X]
83.) Emporium   [X]
84.) Forum   [X]
85.) Duke   [X]
86.) Stables   [X]
87.) Artificer   [X]
88.) Sea Hag   [X]
89.) Haggler   [X]
90.) Wine Merchant   [X]
91.) Triumph   [X]
92.) Harem   [X]
93.) Conspirator   [X]
94.) Treasury   [X]
95.) Wandering Minstrel   [X]
96.) Stash   [X]
97.) Ritual   [X]
98.) Herald   [X]
99.) Jester   [X]
100.) Treasure Trove   [X]
101.) Hunting Party   [X]
102.) Embassy   [X]
103.) Merchant Ship   [X]
104.) Mandarin   [X]
105.) Silk Road   [X]
106.) Sacrifice   [X]
107.) Cartographer   [X]
108.) Trade   [X]
109.) Archive   [X]
110.) Jack of all Trades   [X]
111.) Band of Misfits   [X]
112.) Distant Lands   [X]
113.) Royal Seal   [X]
114.) Tournament   [X]
115.) Fishing Village   [X]
116.) Walled Village   [X]
117.) Capital   [X]
118.) Adventurer   [X]
119.) Quarry   [X]
120.) Monument   [X]
121.) Apothecary   [X]
122.) Plaza   [X]
123.) Baron   [X]
124.) Worker's Village   [X]
125.) Harvest   [X]
126.) Young Witch   [X]
127.) Remake   [X]
128.) Smithy   [X]
129.) Contraband   [X]
130.) Expedition   [X]
131.) Venture   [X]
132.) Market   [X]
133.) Ranger   [X]
134.) Library   [X]
135.) Bridge   [X]
136.) University   [X]
137.) Transmogrify   [X]
138.) Remodel   [X]
139.) Forager   [X]
140.) Magpie   [X]
141.) Ironworks   [X]
142.) Summon   [X]
143.) Ironmonger   [X]
144.) Outpost   [X]
145.) Steward   [X]
146.) Tribute   [X]
147.) Chapel   [X]
148.) Militia   [X]
149.) Cutpurse   [X]
150.) Peddler   [X]
151.) Graverobber   [X]
152.) Death Cart   [X]
153.) Swindler   [X]
154.) Duplicate   [X]
155.) Enchantress   [X]
156.) Engineer   [X]
157.) Farmers' Market   [X]
158.) Masterpiece   [X]
159.) Messenger   [X]
160.) Pilgrimage   [X]
161.) Wedding   [X]
162.) Journeyman   [X]
163.) Rabble   [X]
164.) Farmland   [X]
165.) Throne Room   [X]
166.) Ball   [X]
167.) Caravan   [X]
168.) Rogue   [X]
169.) Villa   [X]
170.) Legionary   [X]
171.) Spice Merchant   [X]
172.) Temple   [X]
173.) Ambassador   [X]
174.) Bishop   [X]
175.) Procession   [X]
176.) Horse Traders   [X]
177.) Cache   [X]
178.) Scavenger   [X]
179.) Mining Village   [X]
180.) Masquerade   [X]
181.) Envoy   [X]
182.) Urchin   [X]
183.) Fortress   [X]
184.) Watchtower   [X]
185.) Sage   [X]
186.) Philosopher's Stone   [X]
187.) Explorer   [X]
188.) Farming Village   [X]
189.) Advisor   [X]
190.) Pillage   [X]
191.) Salvager   [X]
192.) Moneylender   [X]
193.) Miser   [X]
194.) Armory   [X]
195.) Menagerie   [X]
196.) Marauder   [X]
197.) Navigator   [X]
198.) Amulet   [X]
199.) Dungeon   [X]
200.) Trader   [X]
201.) Shanty Town   [X]
202.) Ferry   [X]
203.) Seaway   [X]
204.) Delve   [X]
205.) Groundskeeper   [X]
206.) Rats   [X]
207.) Island   [X]
208.) Village   [X]
209.) Talisman   [X]
210.) Black Market   [X]
211.) Squire   [X]
212.) Mission   [X]
213.) Gardens   [X]
214.) Taxman   [X]
215.) Courtyard   [X]
216.) Page   [X]
217.) Warehouse   [X]
218.) Market Square   [X]
219.) Vineyard   [X]
220.) Feodum   [X]
221.) Scheme   [X]
222.) Lighthouse   [X]
223.) Port   [X]
224.) Fortune Teller   [X]
225.) Advance   [X]
226.) Hermit   [X]
227.) Smugglers   [X]
228.) Storeroom   [X]
229.) Bureaucrat   [X]
230.) Feast   [X]
231.) Fool's Gold   [X]
232.) Counting House   [X]
233.) Gladiator   [X]
234.) Native Village   [X]
235.) Oasis   [X]
236.) Doctor   [X]
237.) Salt the Earth   [X]
238.) Castles   [X]
239.) Coppersmith   [X]
240.) Loan   [X]
241.) Mine   [X]
242.) Crossroads   [X]
243.) Rocks   [X]
244.) Pirate Ship   [X]
245.) Windfall   [X]
246.) Saboteur   [X]
247.) Wishing Well   [X]
248.) Candlestick Maker   [X]
249.) Peasant   [X]
250.) Trade Route   [X]
251.) Treasure Map   [X]
252.) Haven   [X]
253.) Coin of the Realm   [X]
254.) Chariot Race   [X]
255.) Tunnel   [X]
256.) Hamlet   [X]
257.) Caravan Guard   [X]
258.) Lookout   [X]
259.) Workshop   [X]
260.) Chancellor   [X]
261.) Poor House   [X]
262.) Encampment   [X]
263.) Nomad Camp   [X]
264.) Gear   [X]
265.) Stonemason   [X]
266.) Oracle   [X]
267.) Cellar   [X]
268.) Bonfire   [X]
269.) Guide   [X]
270.) Great Hall   [X]
271.) Travelling Fair   [X]
272.) Plan   [X]
273.) Spy   [X]
274.) Pawn   [X]
275.) Settlers   [X]
276.) Moat   [X]
277.) Vagrant   [X]
278.) Beggar   [X]
279.) Banquet   [X]
280.) Scout   [X]
281.) Ratcatcher   [X]
282.) Save   [X]
283.) Patrician   [X]
284.) Thief   [X]
285.) Embargo   [X]
286.) Noble Brigand   [X]
287.) Develop   [X]
288.) Alms   [X]
289.) Woodcutter   [X]
290.) Raze   [X]
291.) Secret Chamber   [X]
292.) Herbalist   [X]
293.) Quest   [X]
294.) Pearl Diver   [X]
295.) Scouting Party   [X]
296.) Duchess   [X]
297.) Transmute   [X]
298.) Borrow   [X]
299.) Tax   [X]
Again, no idea, how Catapult is that high...
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #46 on: October 13, 2016, 10:04:02 am »
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Code: [Select]
$3

1.) Fishing Village   [X]
2.) Ambassador   [X]
3.) Gear   [X]
4.) Urchin   [X]
5.) Amulet   [X]
6.) Steward   [X]
7.) Ferry   [X]
8.) Masquerade   [X]
9.) Hermit   [X]
10.) Swindler   [X]
11.) Watchtower   [X]
12.) Village   [X]
13.) Forager   [X]
14.) Menagerie   [X]
15.) Market Square   [X]
16.) Dungeon   [X]
17.) Warehouse   [X]
18.) Scheme   [X]
19.) Lookout   [X]
20.) Bonfire   [X]
21.) Plan   [X]
22.) Black Market   [X]
23.) Wishing Well   [X]
24.) Oasis   [X]
25.) Workshop   [X]
26.) Oracle   [X]
27.) Shanty Town   [X]
28.) Tunnel   [X]
29.) Doctor   [X]
30.) Expedition   [X]
31.) Smugglers   [X]
32.) Masterpiece   [X]
33.) Storeroom   [X]
34.) Sage   [X]
35.) Guide   [X]
36.) Develop   [X]
37.) Woodcutter   [X]
38.) Trade Route   [X]
39.) Caravan Guard   [X]
40.) Great Hall   [X]
41.) Fortune Teller   [X]
42.) Loan   [X]
43.) Chancellor   [X]

$4

1.) Herald   [X]
2.) Remake   [X]
3.) Wandering Minstrel   [X]
4.) Jack of all Trades   [X]
5.) Tournament   [X]
6.) Bridge   [X]
7.) Throne Room   [X]
8.) Conspirator   [X]
9.) Port   [X]
10.) Ironmonger   [X]
11.) Militia   [X]
12.) Sea Hag   [X]
13.) Monument   [X]
14.) Spice Merchant   [X]
15.) Ironworks   [X]
16.) Quarry   [X]
17.) Magpie   [X]
18.) Worker's Village   [X]
19.) Smithy   [X]
20.) Caravan   [X]
21.) Envoy   [X]
22.) Young Witch   [X]
23.) Salvager   [X]
24.) Mining Village   [X]
25.) Plaza   [X]
26.) Remodel   [X]
27.) Gardens   [X]
28.) Fortress   [X]
29.) Armory   [X]
30.) Trader   [X]
31.) Farming Village   [X]
32.) Walled Village   [X]
33.) Bishop   [X]
34.) Moneylender   [X]
35.) Marauder   [X]
36.) Island   [X]
37.) Duplicate   [X]
38.) Scavenger   [X]
39.) Feodum   [X]
40.) Messenger   [X]
41.) Ranger   [X]
42.) Horse Traders   [X]
43.) Baron   [X]
44.) Silk Road   [X]
45.) Coppersmith   [X]
46.) Procession   [X]
47.) Miser   [X]
48.) Bureaucrat   [X]
49.) Pilgrimage   [X]
50.) Advisor   [X]
51.) Mission   [X]
52.) Cutpurse   [X]
53.) Nomad Camp   [X]
54.) Death Cart   [X]
55.) Treasure Map   [X]
56.) Noble Brigand   [X]
57.) Talisman   [X]
58.) Pirate Ship   [X]
59.) Transmogrify   [X]
60.) Navigator   [X]
61.) Spy   [X]
62.) Taxman   [X]
63.) Feast   [X]
64.) Rats   [X]
65.) Scout   [X]
66.) Thief   [X]

Finished the $3 and $4 lists. Notable placements:

$3
1. Fishing Village: The easiest way ever to never have a shortage of extra Actions again, plus it gives as much money as a Silver, only a bit more spread out over turns. Remember when the Silver test was a thing? Silver never passes the Fishing Village test, even in BM. Villages are underrated in general, they are often so crucial for engines, and Fishing Village is easily the strongest one out there, unless you count King's Court maybe. It's a close call, Ambassador is also still as powerful as always, but Fishing Village takes the cake imo.
3. Gear: I think we all learned how strong Gear really is in the past year, even outside TripleGear-BM. It only took 14th place last year, let's get it up where it belongs.
8. Masquerade: I think it's a bit overrated. Draw and trashing in a single card is pretty nice, but it only trashes a single card at a time, which is why I prefer Amulet and Steward to it. It's also a bit awkward later in the game because you can't reliably use it as draw anymore; you don't want to give your opponent good cards, so you're forced to keep Coppers around even if your opponent skips Masquerade.
25. Workshop: It emerged from the depths of the rankings a little bit last year, but it needs to rise even further. Gainers are so important, it's basically +$4 +1 Buy, except you can't use the extra money for an extra expensive card, but in many cases that's perfectly fine.
35. Guide: It's not actually that good. Sure, sometimes you want to skip a hand, but is the opportunity cost of getting a Guide in the first place really worth it? Usually it isn't, unless you happen to have an extra buy/gain around anyway. I'd rather have a trasher or a sifter or Scheme so I don't need Guide in the first place.
42. Loan: It actually gained two places last year, I'm not sure why. Loan sucks. You use it to get rid of Copper, but it's actually a Copper on play itself, so you need to play it twice before your deck is any better than it used to be without it, ASSUMING you don't skip your better Treasures instead. Which is not a good assumption as it happens all the time. Any other trasher is better, even Trade Route. You have to be really desperate before Loan is worth it.

$4
1. Herald: If you ask me, there's no clear-cut all-powerful $4 card. It's probably the most moderate batch of cards, smack in the middle of everything. Might as well go with my personal favorite for #1 then. It's a very good card, maybe not much stronger than the other cards in the top 10, but still. If your deck is anything resembling action dense (i.e. if there's any trashing at all), you might just have yourself a very cheap Lost City.
8. Conspirator: I was surprised it's only #22 in last year's ranking. $2 on a cantrip is a ton of money, even if it's conditional. You have to be a bit careful that you don't overdo it, because drawing a hand of five Conspirators is sad, but otherwise it becomes very powerful very quickly.
10. Ironmonger: Just a bit overrated. It helps you hit $5 early-game, which is cool, but later on it's often just a Village, and sometimes it's not when you really want it to be. It's a good card, but a bit too unreliable for a place in the top 5.
17. Magpie: Yup, I admit it. We all overrated it, I jumped on the bandwagon too. Let's get this thing out of the top 10 this time.
33. Bishop: The sad thing is that you can't open with it without helping your opponent way too much. That means it's only good as payload later in the game. It's still a good card in some engines, but not as spammable as people used to think.
35. Marauder: Seriously? Place 14 for a poor man's Soothsayer last year? It's terminal, it doesn't draw, it slowly gives bad cards to your opponent that aren't nearly as bad as Curses... it's really average. I mean, it can be a good addition to an engine, but it's not that important to go for quickly.
45. Coppersmith: Again, I may be biased due to nostalgia here. I'll freely admit that. Couldn't bear to put it any lower than this though.
64. Rats: Nope. I'm not convinced. It's still bottom of the barrel. Those cute tricks with TFB rarely work, it's a big hassle to upgrade your junk into higher-cost junk, and then half the time it doesn't even collide with your TFB card... and it ends up eating your deck without giving sufficient benefits. Next year, it's definitely going to be dead last, when Thief and Scout are officially gone.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #47 on: October 13, 2016, 10:25:40 am »
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I've done the whole list (best cards) in duell-mode. It took me about 3,5 hours. Just if someone wants to know ;-)
The results are not quit exact, but over all, the most is ok, so I'll let it be like this.

And after all of this "work", I want to share my results:
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You know, it's possible to duel mode the cards first, and then switch to order mode to change what you're unhappy about. That way, you can shove Catapult down a couple hundred places, and maybe do some other adjustments as well. (Golem at 13 and Prince at 19, but Cultist at 53 and Scrying Pool at 77 overall..?)
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2016, 10:31:52 am »
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280.) Scout
281.) Ratcatcher 
282.) Save   
283.) Patrician 
284.) Thief
285.) Embargo
286.) Noble Brigand   
287.) Develop   
288.) Alms   
289.) Woodcutter
290.) Raze   
291.) Secret Chamber   
292.) Herbalist   
293.) Quest 
294.) Pearl Diver   
295.) Scouting Party   
296.) Duchess   
297.) Transmute   
298.) Borrow   
299.) Tax
that's pretty high...could be higher, but we'll get there
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2016, 10:34:08 am »
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280.) Scout
281.) Ratcatcher 
282.) Save   
283.) Patrician 
284.) Thief
285.) Embargo
286.) Noble Brigand   
287.) Develop   
288.) Alms   
289.) Woodcutter
290.) Raze   
291.) Secret Chamber   
292.) Herbalist   
293.) Quest 
294.) Pearl Diver   
295.) Scouting Party   
296.) Duchess   
297.) Transmute   
298.) Borrow   
299.) Tax
that's pretty high...could be higher, but we'll get there

I mean, now we never will.  :)
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2016, 12:29:19 pm »
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All of these ratings are not correct in the slightest. I'm going to have to share my own rankings at this point, to show people the light.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #51 on: October 13, 2016, 05:05:26 pm »
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Yikes! Those are some scary rankings.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #52 on: October 13, 2016, 06:11:42 pm »
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All done!

Code: [Select]
$5
1.) Cultist   [X]
2.) Governor   [X]
3.) Wharf   [X]
4.) Minion   [X]
5.) Mountebank   [X]
6.) Rebuild   [X]
7.) Haunted Woods   [X]
8.) Bridge Troll   [X]
9.) Witch   [X]
10.) Highway   [X]
11.) Ghost Ship   [X]
12.) Lost City   [X]
13.) Margrave   [X]
14.) Counterfeit   [X]
15.) Butcher   [X]
16.) Apprentice   [X]
17.) Treasure Trove   [X]
18.) Torturer   [X]
19.) Junk Dealer   [X]
20.) Count   [X]
21.) Laboratory   [X]
22.) Stables   [X]
23.) Festival   [X]
24.) Vault   [X]
25.) Upgrade   [X]
26.) Haggler   [X]
27.) Library   [X]
28.) Baker   [X]
29.) Distant Lands   [X]
30.) Royal Carriage   [X]
31.) Duke   [X]
32.) Relic   [X]
33.) Catacombs   [X]
34.) Bandit Camp   [X]
35.) Summon   [X]
36.) Bazaar   [X]
37.) City   [X]
38.) Hunting Party   [X]
39.) Inn   [X]
40.) Storyteller   [X]
41.) Market   [X]
42.) Jester   [X]
43.) Journeyman   [X]
44.) Merchant Guild   [X]
45.) Soothsayer   [X]
46.) Wine Merchant   [X]
47.) Swamp Hag   [X]
48.) Horn of Plenty   [X]
49.) Knights   [X]
50.) Council Room   [X]
51.) Trading Post   [X]
52.) Band of Misfits   [X]
53.) Artificer   [X]
54.) Raid   [X]
55.) Rabble   [X]
56.) Giant   [X]
57.) Embassy   [X]
58.) Venture   [X]
59.) Treasury   [X]
60.) Ill-Gotten Gains   [X]
61.) Graverobber   [X]
62.) Seaway   [X]
63.) Ball   [X]
64.) Mystic   [X]
65.) Trade   [X]
66.) Tactician   [X]
67.) Explorer   [X]
68.) Mine   [X]
69.) Merchant Ship   [X]
70.) Rogue   [X]
71.) Mint   [X]
72.) Counting House   [X]
73.) Cartographer   [X]
74.) Tribute   [X]
75.) Royal Seal   [X]
76.) Cache   [X]
77.) Outpost   [X]
78.) Saboteur   [X]
79.) Pillage   [X]
80.) Mandarin   [X]
81.) Stash   [X]
82.) Contraband   [X]
83.) Harvest   [X]

$6+
1.) Goons   [X]
2.) King's Court   [X]
3.) Pathfinding   [X]
4.) Border Village   [X]
5.) Grand Market   [X]
6.) Training   [X]
7.) Hunting Grounds   [X]
8.) Inheritance   [X]
9.) Nobles   [X]
10.) Fairgrounds   [X]
11.) Forge   [X]
12.) Altar   [X]
13.) Hireling   [X]
14.) Peddler   [X]
15.) Lost Arts   [X]
16.) Bank   [X]
17.) Prince   [X]
18.) Expand   [X]
19.) Hoard   [X]
20.) Harem   [X]
21.) Farmland   [X]
22.) Adventurer   [X]

Potion
1.) Scrying Pool   [X]
2.) Vineyard   [X]
3.) Apothecary   [X]
4.) Familiar   [X]
5.) University   [X]
6.) Alchemist   [X]
7.) Golem   [X]
8.) Possession   [X]
9.) Philosopher's Stone   [X]
10.) Transmute   [X]

Notable placements:

$5
1. Cultist: I was so sure I was going to put this on #1 again, but then that recent game where I lost with Cultists against Vineyards came up, which made me think twice. I still think it's the strongest card in the game though. Not always 100% unstoppable, but still 99% I think, more than any other card.
2. Governor: The drawbacks put me off at first, but I've grown to appreciate the sheer strength of a complete engine all in a single card. Most boards where it appears are a rush to win the split, and beyond that it's not that much less monolithic than a Cultist deck. At least it's way more interesting, though, with all of the choices and the player interaction. (Something similar could be said about #4, Minion.)
8. Bridge Troll: Another one I really underestimated at first. Cost reduction on a Duration is immensely powerful though. Like I said before, Bridge Troll enables megaturns more often than not. I think it's even better than Highway (albeit slightly).
17. Treasure Trove: Adventures has Page and Peasant as insane engine enables, but balances this out with amazing BM enablers too. I already went over Gear, but Treasure Trove is not that far behind. Certainly something I underestimated at first, Treasure Trove-BM with maybe a couple of terminals just obliterates the weaker/mediocre engines.
38. Hunting Party: Terribly overrated. Sure, the Hunting Party stack is a thing sometimes, but mostly if there's nothing better. In most normal engines, you'd prefer a Laboratory over it, since Labs draw your deck much more easily - Hunting Parties have the unfortunate tendency to become cantrips if your deck is almost drawn. Still better than a ton of other cards, but not sure why everyone seems to think it's top 10 material.
48. Horn of Plenty: A cool card, but HoP megaturns are not as common as people think. Often they just get in the way of your engine components, so the megaturn never happens and they can't even gain more components because there are too few cards in play.
50. Council Room: I repented and placed it a lot higher than last year. I don't like having to play it, but sometimes you can't ignore it.
60. Ill-Gotten Gains: Junks you almost as much as your opponent. Blech.
66. Tactician: Seriously, screw Tactician. I can't seem to get it to work, like, ever. Either I have a very specific card I suck at, or Tactician is the most overrated card in all of Dominion. I mean, I guess it's good if there's a TON of virtual money on the board, but how often does that even happen?
72. Counting House: Still fighting for its redemption! It's not very strong, but not the worst either. Try it with a sifter, or maybe in a slog. Or rape everything with Travelling Fair.
73. Cartographer: Suffers from opportunity cost a LOT. You're never sad to have it, but you almost never have the time or resources to pick one up over something else.

$6+
15. Lost Arts: My $6+ list is not that controversial, I think. Only Lost Arts might be. I placed it this low because you often don't use it. In many cases, either the engine has plenty of Actions already from Villages, or there is no engine at all even with the +Action token. Pathfinding makes the difference way, WAY more often in my experience. But honestly, Lost Arts is not that bad, almost no $6+ cards are (well, Adventurer, but it's going to leave soon, and Farmland/Harem maybe, but at least they fill an Alt-VP niche).

$P:
4. Familiar: It's good, but not amazing due to its high cost. Plus I've been very impressed by both Vineyard and Apothecary recently.

And finally, the full list:

Code: [Select]
1.) Cultist   [X]
2.) Page   [X]
3.) Goons   [X]
4.) King's Court   [X]
5.) Scrying Pool   [X]
6.) Governor   [X]
7.) Chapel   [X]
8.) Peasant   [X]
9.) Wharf   [X]
10.) Fishing Village   [X]
11.) Ambassador   [X]
12.) Minion   [X]
13.) Mountebank   [X]
14.) Herald   [X]
15.) Gear   [X]
16.) Urchin   [X]
17.) Rebuild   [X]
18.) Remake   [X]
19.) Haunted Woods   [X]
20.) Amulet   [X]
21.) Steward   [X]
22.) Bridge Troll   [X]
23.) Wandering Minstrel   [X]
24.) Ferry   [X]
25.) Jack of all Trades   [X]
26.) Witch   [X]
27.) Highway   [X]
28.) Pathfinding   [X]
29.) Tournament   [X]
30.) Masquerade   [X]
31.) Ghost Ship   [X]
32.) Border Village   [X]
33.) Lost City   [X]
34.) Hermit   [X]
35.) Grand Market   [X]
36.) Bridge   [X]
37.) Courtyard   [X]
38.) Margrave   [X]
39.) Swindler   [X]
40.) Counterfeit   [X]
41.) Throne Room   [X]
42.) Watchtower   [X]
43.) Butcher   [X]
44.) Travelling Fair   [X]
45.) Apprentice   [X]
46.) Village   [X]
47.) Raze   [X]
48.) Treasure Trove   [X]
49.) Conspirator   [X]
50.) Stonemason   [X]
51.) Forager   [X]
52.) Torturer   [X]
53.) Training   [X]
54.) Hamlet   [X]
55.) Menagerie   [X]
56.) Junk Dealer   [X]
57.) Port   [X]
58.) Crossroads   [X]
59.) Count   [X]
60.) Hunting Grounds   [X]
61.) Market Square   [X]
62.) Laboratory   [X]
63.) Ironmonger   [X]
64.) Dungeon   [X]
65.) Stables   [X]
66.) Alms   [X]
67.) Festival   [X]
68.) Warehouse   [X]
69.) Militia   [X]
70.) Vault   [X]
71.) Scheme   [X]
72.) Upgrade   [X]
73.) Inheritance   [X]
74.) Sea Hag   [X]
75.) Lookout   [X]
76.) Haggler   [X]
77.) Library   [X]
78.) Monument   [X]
79.) Vineyard   [X]
80.) Baker   [X]
81.) Coin of the Realm   [X]
82.) Distant Lands   [X]
83.) Spice Merchant   [X]
84.) Royal Carriage   [X]
85.) Candlestick Maker   [X]
86.) Duke   [X]
87.) Pawn   [X]
88.) Ironworks   [X]
89.) Relic   [X]
90.) Fool's Gold   [X]
91.) Catacombs   [X]
92.) Bandit Camp   [X]
93.) Quarry   [X]
94.) Nobles   [X]
95.) Apothecary   [X]
96.) Fairgrounds   [X]
97.) Magpie   [X]
98.) Forge   [X]
99.) Worker's Village   [X]
100.) Altar   [X]
101.) Familiar   [X]
102.) Hireling   [X]
103.) Smithy   [X]
104.) Peddler   [X]
105.) Caravan   [X]
106.) Envoy   [X]
107.) Young Witch   [X]
108.) Salvager   [X]
109.) Mining Village   [X]
110.) Summon   [X]
111.) Plaza   [X]
112.) Remodel   [X]
113.) Gardens   [X]
114.) Fortress   [X]
115.) Save   [X]
116.) Armory   [X]
117.) Trader   [X]
118.) Bazaar   [X]
119.) City   [X]
120.) Farming Village   [X]
121.) Hunting Party   [X]
122.) Inn   [X]
123.) Walled Village   [X]
124.) Storyteller   [X]
125.) Squire   [X]
126.) Market   [X]
127.) University   [X]
128.) Bonfire   [X]
129.) Bishop   [X]
130.) Lighthouse   [X]
131.) Jester   [X]
132.) Plan   [X]
133.) Journeyman   [X]
134.) Cellar   [X]
135.) Moneylender   [X]
136.) Merchant Guild   [X]
137.) Ratcatcher   [X]
138.) Soothsayer   [X]
139.) Haven   [X]
140.) Marauder   [X]
141.) Wine Merchant   [X]
142.) Swamp Hag   [X]
143.) Horn of Plenty   [X]
144.) Island   [X]
145.) Knights   [X]
146.) Lost Arts   [X]
147.) Council Room   [X]
148.) Duplicate   [X]
149.) Trading Post   [X]
150.) Band of Misfits   [X]
151.) Scavenger   [X]
152.) Artificer   [X]
153.) Feodum   [X]
154.) Black Market   [X]
155.) Alchemist   [X]
156.) Borrow   [X]
157.) Wishing Well   [X]
158.) Messenger   [X]
159.) Oasis   [X]
160.) Workshop   [X]
161.) Ranger   [X]
162.) Oracle   [X]
163.) Shanty Town   [X]
164.) Horse Traders   [X]
165.) Tunnel   [X]
166.) Doctor   [X]
167.) Baron   [X]
168.) Silk Road   [X]
169.) Raid   [X]
170.) Coppersmith   [X]
171.) Golem   [X]
172.) Procession   [X]
173.) Miser   [X]
174.) Bureaucrat   [X]
175.) Expedition   [X]
176.) Rabble   [X]
177.) Giant   [X]
178.) Embassy   [X]
179.) Venture   [X]
180.) Treasury   [X]
181.) Ill-Gotten Gains   [X]
182.) Graverobber   [X]
183.) Possession   [X]
184.) Seaway   [X]
185.) Ball   [X]
186.) Mystic   [X]
187.) Trade   [X]
188.) Tactician   [X]
189.) Moat   [X]
190.) Explorer   [X]
191.) Pilgrimage   [X]
192.) Advisor   [X]
193.) Mine   [X]
194.) Poor House   [X]
195.) Mission   [X]
196.) Merchant Ship   [X]
197.) Smugglers   [X]
198.) Vagrant   [X]
199.) Rogue   [X]
200.) Masterpiece   [X]
201.) Mint   [X]
202.) Counting House   [X]
203.) Embargo   [X]
204.) Storeroom   [X]
205.) Native Village   [X]
206.) Cutpurse   [X]
207.) Sage   [X]
208.) Bank   [X]
209.) Prince   [X]
210.) Cartographer   [X]
211.) Nomad Camp   [X]
212.) Guide   [X]
213.) Tribute   [X]
214.) Secret Chamber   [X]
215.) Death Cart   [X]
216.) Treasure Map   [X]
217.) Royal Seal   [X]
218.) Develop   [X]
219.) Beggar   [X]
220.) Noble Brigand   [X]
221.) Cache   [X]
222.) Expand   [X]
223.) Woodcutter   [X]
224.) Talisman   [X]
225.) Outpost   [X]
226.) Pirate Ship   [X]
227.) Trade Route   [X]
228.) Hoard   [X]
229.) Transmogrify   [X]
230.) Saboteur   [X]
231.) Caravan Guard   [X]
232.) Navigator   [X]
233.) Pillage   [X]
234.) Harem   [X]
235.) Spy   [X]
236.) Great Hall   [X]
237.) Mandarin   [X]
238.) Quest   [X]
239.) Taxman   [X]
240.) Fortune Teller   [X]
241.) Farmland   [X]
242.) Herbalist   [X]
243.) Philosopher's Stone   [X]
244.) Feast   [X]
245.) Stash   [X]
246.) Scouting Party   [X]
247.) Loan   [X]
248.) Contraband   [X]
249.) Pearl Diver   [X]
250.) Harvest   [X]
251.) Rats   [X]
252.) Duchess   [X]
253.) Scout   [X]
254.) Thief   [X]
255.) Transmute   [X]
256.) Chancellor   [X]
257.) Adventurer   [X]

I will be working on the favorites list after the weekend. Not sure if I'll do the art rankings, never really took a look at them, but maybe if I'm bored.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #53 on: October 13, 2016, 06:32:11 pm »
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Are you all sure it isn't faster to just do a manual full ranking at this point compared to dueling?

Last year I manually ranked the cards in the category lists, then made a full list using a merge sort strategy. I would pop one of the current leaders in the category list to place as the next entry in the full list.

Not sure if I'll do the favourites lists or the card art list.
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« Reply #54 on: October 14, 2016, 07:01:41 pm »
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Are you all sure it isn't faster to just do a manual full ranking at this point compared to dueling?

Last year I manually ranked the cards in the category lists, then made a full list using a merge sort strategy. I would pop one of the current leaders in the category list to place as the next entry in the full list.

Not sure if I'll do the favourites lists or the card art list.

Dueling is fun though.

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« Reply #55 on: October 15, 2016, 08:42:41 am »
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Again this error, when I want to make the art-list:

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« Reply #56 on: October 15, 2016, 12:53:07 pm »
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Is it Ok to do the all cards list partially?  So like, I don't really care if people think Cartographer is better than Lookout (i.e. all the low- and mid-tier cards), but I am curious if people think Ambassador is better than Monty, etc.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #57 on: October 15, 2016, 04:28:18 pm »
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Is it Ok to do the all cards list partially?  So like, I don't really care if people think Cartographer is better than Lookout (i.e. all the low- and mid-tier cards), but I am curious if people think Ambassador is better than Monty, etc.

That's kinda what I did, after doing the individual cost lists more thoroughly. I ordered the top and bottom 30 more precisely, and beyond that I just skimmed if I saw anything I wanted differently.
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« Reply #58 on: October 15, 2016, 07:57:25 pm »
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I finished my $5 card ranking, pressed the 'save' button at the end of the list, and went back to look at them again and they had gotten mixed up. what happened?

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #59 on: October 16, 2016, 12:40:34 pm »
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Is it Ok to do the all cards list partially?  So like, I don't really care if people think Cartographer is better than Lookout (i.e. all the low- and mid-tier cards), but I am curious if people think Ambassador is better than Monty, etc.

Depends on what you mean with partially. If you just stop doing compare mode after a while and you're content with the top of your list, it's fine.
But if you do compare mode only for the best cards and click "Don't know" on the other cards, then it has the problem that the worst cards of your e.g. Top 20 gets a 0% rating what is not what you want to accomplish.

I finished my $5 card ranking, pressed the 'save' button at the end of the list, and went back to look at them again and they had gotten mixed up. what happened?

Uhm, not sure. Testing worked fine by me and others also don't seem to have problems. Which mode did you use? Ordering or Rating?
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« Reply #60 on: October 16, 2016, 12:46:03 pm »
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If we rank them all using the two card duels, how many duels will there be?
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« Reply #61 on: October 16, 2016, 12:50:12 pm »
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If we rank them all using the two card duels, how many duels will there be?

Not exactly, but a lot, I'm pretty sure over 1000.
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« Reply #62 on: October 16, 2016, 12:51:54 pm »
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And I did it for 3,5 hours in the for the best list.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #63 on: October 16, 2016, 02:13:06 pm »
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I finished the best one, kind of gave up on the favorite one, and the art one is just taking forever.  I just want to push Harbinger and Young Witch higher, is that too much to ask??? :(
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #64 on: October 16, 2016, 03:49:12 pm »
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I finished my $5 card ranking, pressed the 'save' button at the end of the list, and went back to look at them again and they had gotten mixed up. what happened?

Uhm, not sure. Testing worked fine by me and others also don't seem to have problems. Which mode did you use? Ordering or Rating?
Ordering
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #65 on: October 16, 2016, 07:54:30 pm »
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Does it save automatically? What do I do when I'm done?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #66 on: October 17, 2016, 01:37:04 am »
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Does it save automatically? What do I do when I'm done?
There is a dropdown menu, where you chose the set in the top left corner. Below it, there is a dropdown menu which says "not saved". You should change it to "(mode) marked as finished".
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #67 on: October 17, 2016, 07:36:17 am »
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I finished my $5 card ranking, pressed the 'save' button at the end of the list, and went back to look at them again and they had gotten mixed up. what happened?

Uhm, not sure. Testing worked fine by me and others also don't seem to have problems. Which mode did you use? Ordering or Rating?
Ordering

The only way that may happen that I can think of, is that you did compare cards already in "all the cards". Ordering deletes every previous vote in duels within the same list, but not all cards which means a scenario in which A>B>C where A and C are $5 cards and B is from a different category, the indirect vote A>C doesn't get deleted. So if you now vote C>A in order mode, there's a contradiction. Normally I delete in this case an old vote and it should work anyway, but maybe this doesn't work as well as it should. If this is the case, I can't fix that right now, if this wasn't the case, I'm even more clueless, sorry.


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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #68 on: October 17, 2016, 03:57:49 pm »
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Holy shit, what did I do???
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #69 on: October 17, 2016, 04:06:42 pm »
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Getting an issue where instead of loading the next 2 cards to compare, it just loads a white square where that part of the interface should be. The only weird thing I did was start rating Tax, then changed my mind, X'd it, and selected "I don't know this card" for it.

For a few iterations I could switch from one cost to another to get cards to show up, but now it's stuck this way.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #70 on: October 17, 2016, 06:19:37 pm »
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Getting an issue where instead of loading the next 2 cards to compare, it just loads a white square where that part of the interface should be. The only weird thing I did was start rating Tax, then changed my mind, X'd it, and selected "I don't know this card" for it.

For a few iterations I could switch from one cost to another to get cards to show up, but now it's stuck this way.

Not sure I can follow you. Maybe post a screenshot?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #71 on: October 17, 2016, 07:22:06 pm »
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #72 on: October 17, 2016, 07:23:02 pm »
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Getting the following error message with every screen:

Deprecated: mysql_connect(): The mysql extension is deprecated and will be removed in the future: use mysqli or PDO instead in /kunden/418812_74740/webseiten/dommesh/class.MySQL.php on line 30
I get that too!
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #73 on: October 17, 2016, 08:13:29 pm »
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Getting the following error message with every screen:

Deprecated: mysql_connect(): The mysql extension is deprecated and will be removed in the future: use mysqli or PDO instead in /kunden/418812_74740/webseiten/dommesh/class.MySQL.php on line 30
I get that too!

Gah. I changed my hosting contract and before that they wanted me to update PHP. Not sure why it's showing the error though because I turned showing the errors off. I will fix tomorrow.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #74 on: October 18, 2016, 05:00:22 am »
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Oops, I accidentally created an extra account on your website (Aleimon Thimble with a space). My corrrect account is AleimonThimble without the space. Please ignore the first one :)
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #75 on: October 18, 2016, 07:13:41 am »
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Getting the following error message with every screen:

Deprecated: mysql_connect(): The mysql extension is deprecated and will be removed in the future: use mysqli or PDO instead in /kunden/418812_74740/webseiten/dommesh/class.MySQL.php on line 30
I get that too!

Apparently when I debugged the 500 error I accidently left "show errors" on. Fixed.

Oops, I accidentally created an extra account on your website (Aleimon Thimble with a space). My corrrect account is AleimonThimble without the space. Please ignore the first one :)
Gah. I changed my hosting contract and before that they wanted me to update PHP. Not sure why it's showing the error though because I turned showing the errors off. I will fix tomorrow.

As long as not both lists are saved it's no problem.


Also, tomorrow my new contract goes live, so I hope the 500 error gets fixed.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #76 on: October 18, 2016, 07:48:53 am »
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Code: [Select]
1.) Herald   [X]
2.) Prince   [X]
3.) Haunted Woods   [X]
4.) Feodum   [X]
5.) Throne Room   [X]
6.) Counting House   [X]
7.) Miser   [X]
8.) Inheritance   [X]
9.) Jester   [X]
10.) Highway   [X]
11.) Peasant   [X]
12.) Band of Misfits   [X]
13.) Golem   [X]
14.) Merchant Guild   [X]
15.) Minion   [X]
16.) Haggler   [X]
17.) Count   [X]
18.) Amulet   [X]
19.) Coppersmith   [X]
20.) University   [X]
21.) Forge   [X]
22.) Fortress   [X]
23.) Stonemason   [X]
24.) Bridge   [X]
25.) Apothecary   [X]
26.) Pathfinding   [X]
27.) Saboteur   [X]
28.) Gardens   [X]
29.) Salvager   [X]
30.) Vault   [X]
31.) Goons   [X]
32.) Quarry   [X]
33.) Apprentice   [X]
34.) City   [X]
35.) Philosopher's Stone   [X]
36.) Bank   [X]
37.) Bridge Troll   [X]
38.) Market Square   [X]
39.) King's Court   [X]
40.) Menagerie   [X]
41.) Mine   [X]
42.) Altar   [X]
43.) Travelling Fair   [X]
44.) Treasure Map   [X]
45.) Grand Market   [X]
46.) Spice Merchant   [X]
47.) Lost City   [X]
48.) Baron   [X]
49.) Hireling   [X]
50.) Page   [X]
51.) Horn of Plenty   [X]
52.) Hunting Grounds   [X]
53.) Ferry   [X]
54.) Nobles   [X]
55.) Inn   [X]
56.) Worker's Village   [X]
57.) Storyteller   [X]
58.) Giant   [X]
59.) Artificer   [X]
60.) Pawn   [X]
61.) Watchtower   [X]
62.) Scrying Pool   [X]
63.) Peddler   [X]
64.) Training   [X]
65.) Village   [X]
66.) Conspirator   [X]
67.) Death Cart   [X]
68.) Margrave   [X]
69.) Vineyard   [X]
70.) Ironworks   [X]
71.) Tunnel   [X]
72.) Mint   [X]
73.) Hermit   [X]
74.) Summon   [X]
75.) Library   [X]
76.) Festival   [X]
77.) Crossroads   [X]
78.) Border Village   [X]
79.) Duke   [X]
80.) Duplicate   [X]
81.) Alchemist   [X]
82.) Wine Merchant   [X]
83.) Distant Lands   [X]
84.) Smithy   [X]
85.) Militia   [X]
86.) Cellar   [X]
87.) Relic   [X]
88.) Taxman   [X]
89.) Storeroom   [X]
90.) Journeyman   [X]
91.) Mining Village   [X]
92.) Bishop   [X]
93.) Masterpiece   [X]
94.) Market   [X]
95.) Bazaar   [X]
96.) Counterfeit   [X]
97.) Fairgrounds   [X]
98.) Laboratory   [X]
99.) Wandering Minstrel   [X]
100.) Lost Arts   [X]
101.) Workshop   [X]
102.) Baker   [X]
103.) Squire   [X]
104.) Trader   [X]
105.) Dungeon   [X]
106.) Monument   [X]
107.) Plan   [X]
108.) Tribute   [X]
109.) Expand   [X]
110.) Outpost   [X]
111.) Catacombs   [X]
112.) Beggar   [X]
113.) Courtyard   [X]
114.) Talisman   [X]
115.) Port   [X]
116.) Treasure Trove   [X]
117.) Ironmonger   [X]
118.) Magpie   [X]
119.) Cartographer   [X]
120.) Swindler   [X]
121.) Armory   [X]
122.) Scheme   [X]
123.) Gear   [X]
124.) Fishing Village   [X]
125.) Lighthouse   [X]
126.) Steward   [X]
127.) Raze   [X]
128.) Trading Post   [X]
129.) Royal Seal   [X]
130.) Smugglers   [X]
131.) Soothsayer   [X]
132.) Stables   [X]
133.) Noble Brigand   [X]
134.) Hamlet   [X]
135.) Tournament   [X]
136.) Upgrade   [X]
137.) Junk Dealer   [X]
138.) Pilgrimage   [X]
139.) Venture   [X]
140.) Candlestick Maker   [X]
141.) Poor House   [X]
142.) Ranger   [X]
143.) Governor   [X]
144.) Island   [X]
145.) Stash   [X]
146.) Scavenger   [X]
147.) Expedition   [X]
148.) Wharf   [X]
149.) Torturer   [X]
150.) Chapel   [X]
151.) Royal Carriage   [X]
152.) Contraband   [X]
153.) Remodel   [X]
154.) Ratcatcher   [X]
155.) Mountebank   [X]
156.) Herbalist   [X]
157.) Raid   [X]
158.) Moneylender   [X]
159.) Seaway   [X]
160.) Hunting Party   [X]
161.) Fool's Gold   [X]
162.) Embargo   [X]
163.) Plaza   [X]
164.) Oasis   [X]
165.) Oracle   [X]
166.) Rogue   [X]
167.) Swamp Hag   [X]
168.) Rabble   [X]
169.) Jack of all Trades   [X]
170.) Graverobber   [X]
171.) Bonfire   [X]
172.) Moat   [X]
173.) Envoy   [X]
174.) Wishing Well   [X]
175.) Mystic   [X]
176.) Woodcutter   [X]
177.) Scout   [X]
178.) Harvest   [X]
179.) Caravan   [X]
180.) Black Market   [X]
181.) Urchin   [X]
182.) Bandit Camp   [X]
183.) Walled Village   [X]
184.) Vagrant   [X]
185.) Butcher   [X]
186.) Haven   [X]
187.) Great Hall   [X]
188.) Warehouse   [X]
189.) Explorer   [X]
190.) Ill-Gotten Gains   [X]
191.) Farming Village   [X]
192.) Bureaucrat   [X]
193.) Messenger   [X]
194.) Pearl Diver   [X]
195.) Familiar   [X]
196.) Embassy   [X]
197.) Transmute   [X]
198.) Silk Road   [X]
199.) Pirate Ship   [X]
200.) Treasury   [X]
201.) Cutpurse   [X]
202.) Mission   [X]
203.) Ball   [X]
204.) Hoard   [X]
205.) Horse Traders   [X]
206.) Secret Chamber   [X]
207.) Forager   [X]
208.) Remake   [X]
209.) Merchant Ship   [X]
210.) Farmland   [X]
211.) Guide   [X]
212.) Ghost Ship   [X]
213.) Develop   [X]
214.) Trade Route   [X]
215.) Trade   [X]
216.) Alms   [X]
217.) Sage   [X]
218.) Transmogrify   [X]
219.) Shanty Town   [X]
220.) Fortune Teller   [X]
221.) Young Witch   [X]
222.) Pillage   [X]
223.) Council Room   [X]
224.) Navigator   [X]
225.) Nomad Camp   [X]
226.) Adventurer   [X]
227.) Advisor   [X]
228.) Coin of the Realm   [X]
229.) Cache   [X]
230.) Save   [X]
231.) Marauder   [X]
232.) Ambassador   [X]
233.) Witch   [X]
234.) Native Village   [X]
235.) Harem   [X]
236.) Chancellor   [X]
237.) Tactician   [X]
238.) Lookout   [X]
239.) Quest   [X]
240.) Rats   [X]
241.) Mandarin   [X]
242.) Masquerade   [X]
243.) Caravan Guard   [X]
244.) Duchess   [X]
245.) Thief   [X]
246.) Scouting Party   [X]
247.) Possession   [X]
248.) Rebuild   [X]
249.) Borrow   [X]
250.) Spy   [X]
251.) Sea Hag   [X]
252.) Procession   [X]
253.) Loan   [X]
254.) Knights   [X]
255.) Feast   [X]
256.) Doctor   [X]
257.) Cultist   [X]

Finished the favorites list by duels :)

I've been careful to make sure that the top 30 corresponds with my Top 30 topic (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16139.75), but apparently not quite careful enough, as Saboteur is three places too high. Ah well. It's the only mistake I made, and I'll let Saboteur have that one because it's going to be its last entry in any card list. RIP.

Other fun facts about the list:

- Two Events made their way into the top 30, kicking Goons and Quarry out of the top 30: Inheritance at #8 and Pathfinding at #26.
- Philosopher's Stone is the highest ranked Treasure card at #35, right before Bank at #36.
- Library and Festival are right next to each other, at #75 and #76.
- Duplicate is the highest Reserve card, at #80. Apparently I don't like Reserves. Heh. Must be because they feel pretty slow most of the time.
- Market and Bazaar are also right next to each other, at #94 and #95.
- Other than Coppersmith and Saboteur, most removed cards are rather low. Tribute is at #108, and then the next one is Woodcutter at #176.
- Other than Woodcutter, the other removed cards from the Base set are all in the bottom 40.
- Surprisingly, Possession is not in the bottom 10 (it's 11th from the bottom). Not sure how that happened, but I dislike all cards below it as well, so it's probably fine.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #77 on: October 18, 2016, 08:07:40 am »
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My lists are pretty shitty but I'm taking the "done is better than perfect" approach this year. So far I've done $0-2 and $3.

$0-2 (I ignored Tax):
Code: [Select]
1.) Chapel   [X]
2.) Peasant   [X]
3.) Page   [X]
4.) Hamlet   [X]
5.) Coin of the Realm   [X]
6.) Save   [X]
7.) Encampment   [X]
8.) Stonemason   [X]
9.) Fool's Gold   [X]
10.) Borrow   [X]
11.) Travelling Fair   [X]
12.) Raze   [X]
13.) Alms   [X]
14.) Advance   [X]
15.) Courtyard   [X]
16.) Squire   [X]
17.) Ratcatcher   [X]
18.) Pawn   [X]
19.) Scouting Party   [X]
20.) Patrician   [X]
21.) Lighthouse   [X]
22.) Candlestick Maker   [X]
23.) Settlers   [X]
24.) Cellar   [X]
25.) Poor House   [X]
26.) Herbalist   [X]
27.) Delve   [X]
28.) Native Village   [X]
29.) Haven   [X]
30.) Crossroads   [X]
31.) Beggar   [X]
32.) Vagrant   [X]
33.) Embargo   [X]
34.) Moat   [X]
35.) Pearl Diver   [X]
36.) Quest   [X]
37.) Duchess   [X]
38.) Secret Chamber   [X]

Notable decisions:

Chapel, Peasant, Page: Peasant is better than Page. Fuck you, it just is. Page games are all the same. You buy two Pages, you go through the thing, you hope Warrior misses, you end up trashing maybe 2 cards with Warrior if you're really lucky, but the attack does nothing because you both go for Champion anyway so you have no time to build a big Warrior chain. You then end up with infinite Actions, yippee. But it's not really a guarantee of an engine or anything. Peasant almost guarantees an engine is possible, and it's a lot more versatile and just fun to play with. I genuinely think the options Peasant gives you are just better. I have picked each of the token options as the first choice at one point or another. It's so cool. But Chapel is still better than both of them.

CoTR at 5: This seems really high, but it's probably one of the best Villages in the game. It's really two Villages in one, and you never need to line it up with anything. You don't even care that it's a dead card in your deck when you call it.

Save at 6: Save is super important and you should buy it in every game it appears in.

Encampment at 7: This is probably too high, I know, but it certainly is a very good card worth fighting for in most games it appears in.

CSM should probably be above Pawn. Herbalist is way too high but I really value +Buy more than most of the things below it.

$3 cards:

Code: [Select]
1.) Ambassador   [X]
2.) Masquerade   [X]
3.) Fishing Village   [X]
4.) Ferry   [X]
5.) Urchin   [X]
6.) Steward   [X]
7.) Gear   [X]
8.) Amulet   [X]
9.) Menagerie   [X]
10.) Bonfire   [X]
11.) Scheme   [X]
12.) Forager   [X]
13.) Guide   [X]
14.) Black Market   [X]
15.) Swindler   [X]
16.) Village   [X]
17.) Warehouse   [X]
18.) Wishing Well   [X]
19.) Watchtower   [X]
20.) Market Square   [X]
21.) Dungeon   [X]
22.) Hermit   [X]
23.) Lookout   [X]
24.) Enchantress   [X]
25.) Farmers' Market   [X]
26.) Oasis   [X]
27.) Expedition   [X]
28.) Plan   [X]
29.) Sage   [X]
30.) Smugglers   [X]
31.) Workshop   [X]
32.) Storeroom   [X]
33.) Oracle   [X]
34.) Doctor   [X]
35.) Gladiator   [X]
36.) Shanty Town   [X]
37.) Chariot Race   [X]
38.) Tunnel   [X]
39.) Fortune Teller   [X]
40.) Banquet   [X]
41.) Loan   [X]
42.) Catapult   [X]
43.) Develop   [X]
44.) Trade Route   [X]
45.) Woodcutter   [X]
46.) Caravan Guard   [X]
47.) Masterpiece   [X]
48.) Chancellor   [X]
49.) Great Hall   [X]

Notable decisions:

Amb, Masq: I think Amb is still better. Maybe that's just me, but the nerf to Masq pins combined with the inherent risk factor of using it makes Amb better in my book. More control.

Fishing Village, Ferry: Might be a bit high, but it's the Village you buy so you never have to think about terminal space. Ferry is definitely correct at 4th though, it's super powerful and game defining.

Urchin, Steward, Gear, Amulet: This seems like the right order. I'm less high on Mercenary than I used to be. It's very good still. I vastly prefer Steward to Amulet but they are both good. Gear is just powerful in any deck, like you wouldn't believe if it weren't already hyped up so much on this forum.

Bonfire at 10: Bonfire is among the fastest trashers in the game, of course it should be this high.

Guide at 13: This seems Too High and should probably be lower, but it is seriously underrated. If you think Guide is bad, you're bad. It bails you out of any handsize attack or bad turn, vastly reducing the effects of shuffle luck on your game. You actually start to welcome bad hands because they make your Guide replacement hand better.

Enchantress at 24: This seems kind of low actually, Enchantress is very good. The extra draw moreso than the attack, but the attack is very infuriating early on regardless. Later it's just a draw card basically.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #78 on: October 18, 2016, 09:41:11 am »
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Right, I'll post my 6+ rankings (cause why not?). No Empires.

1.) King's Court   [X]
2.) Grand Market   [X]
3.) Goons   [X]
4.) Inheritance   [X]
5.) Lost Arts   [X]
6.) Altar   [X]
7.) Pathfinding   [X]
8.) Hunting Grounds   [X]
9.) Training   [X]
10.) Peddler   [X]
11.) Hireling   [X]
12.) Nobles   [X]
13.) Border Village   [X]
14.) Forge   [X]
15.) Fairgrounds   [X]
16.) Prince   [X]
17.) Hoard   [X]
18.) Farmland   [X]
19.) Bank   [X]
20.) Expand   [X]
21.) Harem   [X]
22.) Adventurer   [X]

I think it is the list I'm most sure about. The only controversial thing is Prince here, should he really be this low? But actually, yes.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #79 on: October 18, 2016, 09:47:01 am »
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I think Prince is lower than that!
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #80 on: October 18, 2016, 10:04:08 am »
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Yeah, Prince is not that great. Which is sad, since it's such an awesome card. It might be a bit overpriced, probably would have been fine at $7 or maybe even $6, since it's so hard to line up with good targets unless your engine is really good already (in which case you don't need it).
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #81 on: October 18, 2016, 11:06:00 am »
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Yeah, Prince is not that great. Which is sad, since it's such an awesome card. It might be a bit overpriced, probably would have been fine at $7 or maybe even $6, since it's so hard to line up with good targets unless your engine is really good already (in which case you don't need it).
If it just gave an Action on play it wouldn't be so painful to play the damn thing once you've bought it.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #82 on: October 18, 2016, 01:24:09 pm »
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I have a hard time telling if getting Prince was a near-optimal choice when I do actually use it. It don't think it's bottom 5 in the $6 costs though. I can imagine Hoard being better than it though, or at least useful more often.

Also wow Hoard seems pretty overshadowed by Treasure Trove, doesn't it?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #83 on: October 18, 2016, 08:23:56 pm »
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So, my site just got moved to a new server and I tested with Accatitippi's account and it works now. Phew, glad that got fixed. Though it's very slow. But as more duels you make the faster it goes.

So tracer and GwinnR, it should work for you two as well now though it might be slow as well.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #84 on: October 18, 2016, 09:48:28 pm »
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So I mostly had my order backed up on my computer, so I put the $4 cost cards in order again (the $4 and $5 cards both got mixed up after I put them in order). When I pressed save, it seemed to refresh the page and it scrambled up the order again. Maybe I'll just send you a text file...
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« Reply #85 on: October 19, 2016, 02:10:18 am »
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Yes, it works. Thanks a lot!
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #86 on: October 19, 2016, 03:42:53 am »
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Pretty sure, that nobody cares, but as I finished it now, I want to share my art-list.

In general, I like the Treasures, the Castles and the Landmarks.

Code: [Select]
1.) Windfall   [X]
2.) Colonnade   [X]
3.) Hireling   [X]
4.) Mill   [X]
5.) Royal Carriage   [X]
6.) Philosopher's Stone   [X]
7.) Silver   [X]
8.) Raid   [X]
9.) Opulent Castle   [X]
10.) Beggar   [X]
11.) Gold   [X]
12.) Ferry   [X]
13.) Aqueduct   [X]
14.) Baker   [X]
15.) Wall   [X]
16.) Trusty Steed   [X]
17.) Replace   [X]
18.) Guide   [X]
19.) Golem   [X]
20.) Potion   [X]
21.) Labyrinth   [X]
22.) Hero   [X]
23.) Curse   [X]
24.) Champion   [X]
25.) Duplicate   [X]
26.) Defiled Shrine   [X]
27.) Fool's Gold   [X]
28.) Teacher   [X]
29.) Delve   [X]
30.) Charm   [X]
31.) Coin of the Realm   [X]
32.) Oasis   [X]
33.) Conspirator   [X]
34.) Baron   [X]
35.) Ratcatcher   [X]
36.) Possession   [X]
37.) Hoard   [X]
38.) Fugitive   [X]
39.) Death Cart   [X]
40.) Apprentice   [X]
41.) Sauna/Avanto   [X]
42.) Secret Passage   [X]
43.) Watchtower   [X]
44.) Sentry   [X]
45.) Small Castle   [X]
46.) Tactician   [X]
47.) Messenger   [X]
48.) Crown   [X]
49.) Plaza   [X]
50.) Tower   [X]
51.) Merchant Guild   [X]
52.) Remake   [X]
53.) Masquerade   [X]
54.) Salt the Earth   [X]
55.) Quarry   [X]
56.) Treasure Hunter   [X]
57.) Mountebank   [X]
58.) Overgrown Estate   [X]
59.) Masterpiece   [X]
60.) Villa   [X]
61.) Avanto   [X]
62.) Soldier   [X]
63.) Chapel   [X]
64.) Bank   [X]
65.) Pirate Ship   [X]
66.) Sauna   [X]
67.) Courtier   [X]
68.) Capital   [X]
69.) Tunnel   [X]
70.) Cellar   [X]
71.) Island   [X]
72.) Throne Room   [X]
73.) Triumphal Arch   [X]
74.) Relic   [X]
75.) Ritual   [X]
76.) Patrol   [X]
77.) Obelisk   [X]
78.) Loan   [X]
79.) Palace   [X]
80.) Triumph   [X]
81.) Scrying Pool   [X]
82.) Page   [X]
83.) Crossroads   [X]
84.) Horn of Plenty   [X]
85.) Forager   [X]
86.) Plan   [X]
87.) Steward   [X]
88.) Haunted Woods   [X]
89.) Tax   [X]
90.) Sir Vander   [X]
91.) Castles   [X]
92.) Trade   [X]
93.) Wandering Minstrel   [X]
94.) Magpie   [X]
95.) Estate   [X]
96.) Alchemist   [X]
97.) Cultist   [X]
98.) Bandit Fort   [X]
99.) Sprawling Castle   [X]
100.) Vassal   [X]
101.) Herald   [X]
102.) Squire   [X]
103.) Alms   [X]
104.) Farmers' Market   [X]
105.) Hovel   [X]
106.) Apothecary   [X]
107.) Sage   [X]
108.) Urchin   [X]
109.) Temple   [X]
110.) Royal Blacksmith   [X]
111.) Treasure Map   [X]
112.) Council Room   [X]
113.) Counterfeit   [X]
114.) Mercenary   [X]
115.) Sir Bailey   [X]
116.) Warehouse   [X]
117.) Bag of Gold   [X]
118.) Keep   [X]
119.) University   [X]
120.) Lost Arts   [X]
121.) Lurker   [X]
122.) Bandit Camp   [X]
123.) Smithy   [X]
124.) Catapult/Rocks   [X]
125.) Crumbling Castle   [X]
126.) Treasury   [X]
127.) Necropolis   [X]
128.) Wild Hunt   [X]
129.) Mountain Pass   [X]
130.) Contraband   [X]
131.) Grand Market   [X]
132.) Rats   [X]
133.) Dame Natalie   [X]
134.) Bustling Village   [X]
135.) Pathfinding   [X]
136.) Baths   [X]
137.) Jack of all Trades   [X]
138.) Ambassador   [X]
139.) Ruined Village   [X]
140.) Basilica   [X]
141.) Cutpurse   [X]
142.) Diadem   [X]
143.) Market Square   [X]
144.) King's Court   [X]
145.) Princess   [X]
146.) Ill-Gotten Gains   [X]
147.) Rabble   [X]
148.) Advisor   [X]
149.) Copper   [X]
150.) Gardens   [X]
151.) Saboteur   [X]
152.) Save   [X]
153.) Thief   [X]
154.) Outpost   [X]
155.) Shanty Town   [X]
156.) Prince   [X]
157.) Nobles   [X]
158.) Pilgrimage   [X]
159.) Seaway   [X]
160.) Ruined Library   [X]
161.) Moat   [X]
162.) Familiar   [X]
163.) Black Market   [X]
164.) Warrior   [X]
165.) Ghost Ship   [X]
166.) Library   [X]
167.) Menagerie   [X]
168.) Coppersmith   [X]
169.) Count   [X]
170.) Tomb   [X]
171.) Engineer   [X]
172.) Stash   [X]
173.) Marauder   [X]
174.) Forum   [X]
175.) Governor   [X]
176.) Bandit   [X]
177.) Great Hall   [X]
178.) Sir Destry   [X]
179.) Encampment   [X]
180.) Peasant   [X]
181.) Lookout   [X]
182.) Chariot Race   [X]
183.) Harvest   [X]
184.) Village   [X]
185.) Followers   [X]
186.) Scheme   [X]
187.) Duke   [X]
188.) Venture   [X]
189.) Patrician/Emporium   [X]
190.) Fountain   [X]
191.) Advance   [X]
192.) Scout   [X]
193.) Dungeon   [X]
194.) Knights   [X]
195.) Museum   [X]
196.) Haunted Castle   [X]
197.) Fishing Village   [X]
198.) Trading Post   [X]
199.) Graverobber   [X]
200.) Margrave   [X]
201.) Survivors   [X]
202.) Gear   [X]
203.) Torturer   [X]
204.) Banquet   [X]
205.) Spy   [X]
206.) Catacombs   [X]
207.) Training   [X]
208.) Horse Traders   [X]
209.) Disciple   [X]
210.) Wharf   [X]
211.) Arena   [X]
212.) Fortress   [X]
213.) Smugglers   [X]
214.) Miser   [X]
215.) Farmland   [X]
216.) Cache   [X]
217.) Bazaar   [X]
218.) Secret Chamber   [X]
219.) Platinum   [X]
220.) King's Castle   [X]
221.) Adventurer   [X]
222.) Native Village   [X]
223.) Royal Seal   [X]
224.) Band of Misfits   [X]
225.) Archive   [X]
226.) Pillage   [X]
227.) Harbinger   [X]
228.) Mining Village   [X]
229.) Bridge Troll   [X]
230.) Nomad Camp   [X]
231.) Mystic   [X]
232.) Courtyard   [X]
233.) Jester   [X]
234.) Spoils   [X]
235.) Merchant   [X]
236.) Summon   [X]
237.) Sir Michael   [X]
238.) Patrician   [X]
239.) Border Village   [X]
240.) Trader   [X]
241.) Moneylender   [X]
242.) Woodcutter   [X]
243.) Inn   [X]
244.) Haven   [X]
245.) Duchess   [X]
246.) Dominate   [X]
247.) Hamlet   [X]
248.) Transmute   [X]
249.) Monument   [X]
250.) City Quarter   [X]
251.) Rebuild   [X]
252.) Colony   [X]
253.) Goons   [X]
254.) Fortune Teller   [X]
255.) Rogue   [X]
256.) Inheritance   [X]
257.) Stables   [X]
258.) Humble Castle   [X]
259.) Silk Road   [X]
260.) Grand Castle   [X]
261.) Forge   [X]
262.) Highway   [X]
263.) Hunting Grounds   [X]
264.) Wolf Den   [X]
265.) Orchard   [X]
266.) Ironmonger   [X]
267.) Battlefield   [X]
268.) Market   [X]
269.) Cartographer   [X]
270.) Caravan   [X]
271.) Lighthouse   [X]
272.) Vault   [X]
273.) Bridge   [X]
274.) Wine Merchant   [X]
275.) Wishing Well   [X]
276.) Tribute   [X]
277.) Mine   [X]
278.) Vineyard   [X]
279.) Abandoned Mine   [X]
280.) Journeyman   [X]
281.) Port   [X]
282.) Rocks   [X]
283.) Ruined Market   [X]
284.) Worker's Village   [X]
285.) Amulet   [X]
286.) Sea Hag   [X]
287.) Storyteller   [X]
288.) Groundskeeper   [X]
289.) Junk Dealer   [X]
290.) Madman   [X]
291.) Quest   [X]
292.) Legionary   [X]
293.) Chancellor   [X]
294.) Annex   [X]
295.) Poor House   [X]
296.) Giant   [X]
297.) Trade Route   [X]
298.) Embargo   [X]
299.) Dame Josephine   [X]
300.) Emporium   [X]
301.) Feast   [X]
302.) Militia   [X]
303.) Storeroom   [X]
304.) Spice Merchant   [X]
305.) Vagrant   [X]
306.) Expedition   [X]
307.) Bishop   [X]
308.) Ball   [X]
309.) Encampment/Plunder   [X]
310.) Raze   [X]
311.) Ranger   [X]
312.) Dame Sylvia   [X]
313.) Hunting Party   [X]
314.) Scouting Party   [X]
315.) Enchantress   [X]
316.) Upgrade   [X]
317.) Workshop   [X]
318.) Hermit   [X]
319.) Noble Brigand   [X]
320.) Talisman   [X]
321.) Herbalist   [X]
322.) Merchant Ship   [X]
323.) Plunder   [X]
324.) Sacrifice   [X]
325.) Settlers   [X]
326.) Peddler   [X]
327.) Bureaucrat   [X]
328.) Taxman   [X]
329.) Province   [X]
330.) Envoy   [X]
331.) Lost City   [X]
332.) Gladiator/Fortune   [X]
333.) Diplomat   [X]
334.) Witch   [X]
335.) Counting House   [X]
336.) Donate   [X]
337.) Conquest   [X]
338.) Dame Anna   [X]
339.) Laboratory   [X]
340.) Catapult   [X]
341.) Duchy   [X]
342.) Ironworks   [X]
343.) Stonemason   [X]
344.) Young Witch   [X]
345.) Distant Lands   [X]
346.) Caravan Guard   [X]
347.) Minion   [X]
348.) Swindler   [X]
349.) Doctor   [X]
350.) Overlord   [X]
351.) Remodel   [X]
352.) Wedding   [X]
353.) Explorer   [X]
354.) Haggler   [X]
355.) Fairgrounds   [X]
356.) Artisan   [X]
357.) Gladiator   [X]
358.) Butcher   [X]
359.) Treasure Trove   [X]
360.) City   [X]
361.) Armory   [X]
362.) Harem   [X]
363.) Procession   [X]
364.) Travelling Fair   [X]
365.) Scavenger   [X]
366.) Bonfire   [X]
367.) Tournament   [X]
368.) Pawn   [X]
369.) Expand   [X]
370.) Mission   [X]
371.) Farming Village   [X]
372.) Altar   [X]
373.) Poacher   [X]
374.) Mint   [X]
375.) Festival   [X]
376.) Settlers/Bustling Village   [X]
377.) Feodum   [X]
378.) Soothsayer   [X]
379.) Salvager   [X]
380.) Dame Molly   [X]
381.) Sir Martin   [X]
382.) Oracle   [X]
383.) Candlestick Maker   [X]
384.) Borrow   [X]
385.) Swamp Hag   [X]
386.) Walled Village   [X]
387.) Artificer   [X]
388.) Pearl Diver   [X]
389.) Embassy   [X]
390.) Transmogrify   [X]
391.) Mandarin   [X]
392.) Navigator   [X]
393.) Fortune   [X]
394.) Develop   [X]

#1 Windfall: This looks so cool. I like the colours and you can really see, how he gets the 3 Golds.
#2 Colonnade: Clear lines, clear image. Clear number 2.
#3 Hireling: You see, how hard the life as Hireling is, sad and cold.
#4 Mill: Nice image and a beautiful landscape. Cool idea, to make the image green and white as it hast the type Action-Victory.
#5 Royal Carriage: Even if it looks a bit strange, when you look exactly, I like the combination of the colours.

#394 Develop: Sorry, but that is nothing. Strange combination of colours, no depth, but flat. And what is the "tower" in front?! Dr. Freud would have an idea...
#393 Fortune: Maybe this is on purpose, but that looks like a child had painted it.
#392 Navigator: To be honest, I like the sextant (or what it is...). But the guy looks strange. Is he Asian? Is he kind of yellow? To much sterotype for me.
#391 Mandarin: Again a flat painting. And the background looks strange.
#390 Transmogrify: On the one hand, it looks to realistic to me. On the other hand, the white lines in the front look like magic. Both doesn't really fit to the other cards of Dominion.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #87 on: October 19, 2016, 06:03:58 am »
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I'm curious as to what the algorithm is. 
Presumably the comparison system is just using a quicksort or similar to order the cards, but the way the list on the right varies as you go definitely appears to have some heuristics going into it.  What are the heuristics?  Do they affect what comparisons you're offered, to try to optimise the number of comparisons?
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RMM Town Wins-Losses (0-1, 0%): x - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #88 on: October 19, 2016, 06:28:55 am »
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So I mostly had my order backed up on my computer, so I put the $4 cost cards in order again (the $4 and $5 cards both got mixed up after I put them in order). When I pressed save, it seemed to refresh the page and it scrambled up the order again. Maybe I'll just send you a text file...

Well I'm really sorry, this kind of sucks. I'm curious what the cause of this might be as I'm using a Jquery library for that sorting and should work. Text file works of course as well. Make sure that you didn't save so that I don't count your misordered list.

I'm curious as to what the algorithm is. 
Presumably the comparison system is just using a quicksort or similar to order the cards, but the way the list on the right varies as you go definitely appears to have some heuristics going into it.  What are the heuristics?  Do they affect what comparisons you're offered, to try to optimise the number of comparisons?

It's basically a topological sorting. But to you not having to make the duels with the same cards several times in a row (to not make it boring and as tedious and a bit more varied) and to get an approximately good outcome even if you don't make all the comparisms I made my own implementation of it. That may result in a bit more comparisms, but in my testing it was still pretty quick. I thought about optimizing it by offering comparisms based on the results of other (finished) lists, but that hasn't happened yet and I'm even not sure if that is worth it.
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« Reply #89 on: October 19, 2016, 11:12:17 am »
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So tracer and GwinnR, it should work for you two as well now though it might be slow as well.

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« Reply #90 on: October 20, 2016, 03:49:52 am »
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So I mostly had my order backed up on my computer, so I put the $4 cost cards in order again (the $4 and $5 cards both got mixed up after I put them in order). When I pressed save, it seemed to refresh the page and it scrambled up the order again. Maybe I'll just send you a text file...

Well I'm really sorry, this kind of sucks. I'm curious what the cause of this might be as I'm using a Jquery library for that sorting and should work. Text file works of course as well. Make sure that you didn't save so that I don't count your misordered list.

I'm curious as to what the algorithm is. 
Presumably the comparison system is just using a quicksort or similar to order the cards, but the way the list on the right varies as you go definitely appears to have some heuristics going into it.  What are the heuristics?  Do they affect what comparisons you're offered, to try to optimise the number of comparisons?

It's basically a topological sorting. But to you not having to make the duels with the same cards several times in a row (to not make it boring and as tedious and a bit more varied) and to get an approximately good outcome even if you don't make all the comparisms I made my own implementation of it. That may result in a bit more comparisms, but in my testing it was still pretty quick. I thought about optimizing it by offering comparisms based on the results of other (finished) lists, but that hasn't happened yet and I'm even not sure if that is worth it.

I also had the same problem... The order gets messed up when I change compare to order mode.
You should not consider any you my lists (I believe I did not save them, but I am not sure.)
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« Reply #91 on: October 20, 2016, 08:37:22 am »
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I got a bunch of minor lists done, but nobody cares that I think Ruined Market is better than Survivors or that Dame Anna is better than Dame Molly.

Here's my $4 cards list. I haven't totally gone through and checked the order it came up with, so there might be some strangeness here, but I'd rather get something done than turn in a perfect list.

$4 Cards

Code: [Select]
1.) Remake   [X]
2.) Villa   [X]
3.) Tournament   [X]
4.) Wandering Minstrel   [X]
5.) Herald   [X]
6.) Ironmonger   [X]
7.) Caravan   [X]
8.) Ironworks   [X]
9.) Young Witch   [X]
10.) Mission   [X]
11.) Magpie   [X]
12.) Throne Room   [X]
13.) Bridge   [X]
14.) Fortress   [X]
15.) Plaza   [X]
16.) Smithy   [X]
17.) Jack of all Trades   [X]
18.) Ranger   [X]
19.) Militia   [X]
20.) Envoy   [X]
21.) Port   [X]
22.) Transmogrify   [X]
23.) Sacrifice   [X]
24.) Worker's Village   [X]
25.) Conspirator   [X]
26.) Spice Merchant   [X]
27.) Salvager   [X]
28.) Salt the Earth   [X]
29.) Advisor   [X]
30.) Duplicate   [X]
31.) Sea Hag   [X]
32.) Monument   [X]
33.) Baron   [X]
34.) Bishop   [X]
35.) Temple   [X]
36.) Armory   [X]
37.) Procession   [X]
38.) Pilgrimage   [X]
39.) Moneylender   [X]
40.) Miser   [X]
41.) Mining Village   [X]
42.) Cutpurse   [X]
43.) Remodel   [X]
44.) Messenger   [X]
45.) Scavenger   [X]
46.) Walled Village   [X]
47.) Horse Traders   [X]
48.) Trader   [X]
49.) Death Cart   [X]
50.) Silk Road   [X]
51.) Rats   [X]
52.) Marauder   [X]
53.) Engineer   [X]
54.) Quarry   [X]
55.) Nomad Camp   [X]
56.) Taxman   [X]
57.) Farming Village   [X]
58.) Island   [X]
59.) Talisman   [X]
60.) Noble Brigand   [X]
61.) Ritual   [X]
62.) Gardens   [X]
63.) Feodum   [X]
64.) Navigator   [X]
65.) Pirate Ship   [X]
66.) Treasure Map   [X]
67.) Spy   [X]
68.) Coppersmith   [X]
69.) Rocks   [X]
70.) Bureaucrat   [X]
71.) Feast   [X]
72.) Scout   [X]
73.) Thief   [X]

Notable placements:

Remake at 1, Tournament at 3, Herald at 5: The best just keeps getting better with each expansion I think. Tournament might be a little high here. I haven't compared this to my list last year.

Villa at 2: No joke, Villa completely changes how you play a board, and it's honestly not THAT bad of a Village once it's in your deck. It's like Squire but you get a Buy every time, hardly the worst Village ever. The thing is, if you're overbuying terminals enough that you're going to want to pick up Villa, then you probably have enough draw to deal with a non-drawing Village anyway.

Wandering Minstrel at 4: Once it's in your deck, Wandering Minstrel is the best Village in the game. People tend to really under-rate Villages in their rankings lists for some reason, but they are really what enable everything good in Dominion to happen, so people should do more to recognize their importance. Minstrel makes an engine possible on many boards which otherwise could not sustain it, and it basically guarantees you'll draw good stuff right after you play it. It's a Village good enough that it's bought when you don't need extra Actions. Which other Villages can you say that about, Border Village maybe?

Magpie at 11: It's below the other power $4 cantrips, but it's still really good, particularly as a Token target (which every card should have as a consideration when ranking, and speaking of which, I should have ranked Port higher, might change that).

Rocks at 69: Rocks sucks. I mean, there's Catapult I guess, but that's it.

EDIT: Posted slightly changed list, just dragged a few things around to better places. Maybe I accidentally overrated Port and Sea Hag by doing this or underrated Magpie and Advisor, idk. What's important is that most of the time, Young Witch is the far better card.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #92 on: October 20, 2016, 09:12:11 am »
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Rocks at 69: Rocks sucks. I mean, there's Catapult I guess, but that's it.

The most exciting quality of Rocks is the Silver gain to hand if it's your action phase.  Using a gainer like Workshop to gain Rocks will give you $2 immediately that turn - at the very least.  If you have an extra action and another use for the Silver (Storyteller, Apprentice, Catapult!), even better.  Or, consider Upgrade or Transmogrify: trash Silver to get a Rocks and gain a Silver to hand.  Trash Rocks into something valuable and also gain Silver to hand.  Gaining Rocks with Watchtower in hand is also great; you can gain two Silvers to hand!  That's some serious payload.  And Silver is rarely bad when Catapult is in the kingdom: the double attack is brutal.  At its worst, Rocks still provides three sources of a brutal attack in combination with Catapult.  Rocks is one of the most unique cards in Dominion, and I don't have a good feel for its power level, but I don't think its near the bottom of the barrel.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #93 on: October 20, 2016, 09:22:21 am »
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Gardens below Brigand and Talisman hurts my feelings.
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« Reply #94 on: October 20, 2016, 09:31:04 am »
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Gardens below Brigand and Talisman hurts my feelings.

It's probably better than Brigand, you're right. That was an oversight. I did this list while avoiding paying attention to a meeting at work.

It's probably better than Talisman too, but I have to give that more thought. Winning cheap splits is more important than ever, and Talisman is occasionally clutch while Gardens really rarely is.

I also did not realize how low I put engineer. It's really the third best gainer; being able to trash itself is huge. I'll shuffle those around when I can access the list with a mouse.
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« Reply #95 on: October 20, 2016, 10:17:14 am »
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i find it quite hard to compare cards like stonemason, which is not really a 2 card
with other 2 cards ... any advise? (most of the time, i play it more like a 5 - 8 card ...)
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« Reply #96 on: October 20, 2016, 10:39:49 am »
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Temple at #35 and below Bishop and Monument when you have Remake at #1 seems a bit odd.

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« Reply #97 on: October 20, 2016, 12:00:56 pm »
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Temple at #35 and below Bishop and Monument when you have Remake at #1 seems a bit odd.

Temple is one I have difficulty placing. It is better at trashing than Bishop but it scores fewer points and doesn't have end game scoring or payload potential. Monument has recently gotten some very good synergies (Royal Carriage, Storyteller, Crown, tokens) and is essentially boundless in VP gaining with no mandatory trash, so it is much better payload.

Temple compares quite unfavorably to Remake as a trasher, but that's because Remake is a top 5 trasher and Temple is just average. Remake's upgrade utility gives it more purpose after thinning than Temple does, and Remake always removes two junk cards if you have them in your hand while Temple only removes two different cards.

Temple is pretty good though, and the number 35 seems wrong. Ultimately I think it's not unskippable (excluding opportunistic buys to get 4+ VP) and it's pretty good but not great at its role. It's just weird. I don't have the best grip on it yet.
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« Reply #98 on: October 20, 2016, 02:05:38 pm »
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Theif below scout is just wrong.
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« Reply #99 on: October 20, 2016, 02:10:04 pm »
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Theif below scout is just wrong.

I disagree. Scout hurts your deck, thief hurts your deck AND helps your opponent
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« Reply #100 on: October 20, 2016, 02:17:19 pm »
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Theif below scout is just wrong.

I disagree. Scout hurts your deck, thief hurts your deck AND helps your opponent
Theif is rarely good. Scout is never good.
On average if scout fell into your deck you would be more happy than if theif did but ambassador would rather send curses.
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« Reply #101 on: October 20, 2016, 02:33:25 pm »
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Theif below scout is just wrong.

I disagree. Scout hurts your deck, thief hurts your deck AND helps your opponent

You can't compare bad cards as though you always had them in your deck, because most of the time you don't. Instead, you should consider how good they are in your deck in the rare situation where you actually want the card, and how often you have that situation. Thief wins on both of those.

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« Reply #102 on: October 20, 2016, 02:52:38 pm »
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You can't compare bad cards as though you always had them in your deck, because most of the time you don't. Instead, you should consider how good they are in your deck in the rare situation where you actually want the card, and how often you have that situation. Thief wins on both of those.
well, scout loses out on the latter condition because of how bad it is in the former condition. in theory, you want the effect of 'get victory cards from your deck' very often, but scout happens to be very bad at doing that, more so than thief is at stealing treasures. i would estimate that there are more times than we think wherein someone would rather have a scout than the next best thing at $4, but those times are so rare and hard to evaluate that the card just doesn't get bought, and rightfully so; you will probably not improve as a player very much even if you know every time you would want a scout. however, thief is relevant much less often; nowadays there aren't very many games where your opponent has a lot of treasures and you also want them, and also playing thief is better than playing a different action and just buying the treasures. but, in those games, thief has a lot of bang for its buck.
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« Reply #103 on: October 20, 2016, 03:01:08 pm »
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Theif below scout is just wrong.

I disagree. Scout hurts your deck, thief hurts your deck AND helps your opponent

You can't compare bad cards as though you always had them in your deck, because most of the time you don't. Instead, you should consider how good they are in your deck in the rare situation where you actually want the card, and how often you have that situation. Thief wins on both of those.

I think while Thief's effect is more important when you do want it, Scout is actually a card I want in my deck more often than Thief, enough that I feel Scout is the marginally better card.

I don't play enough Fool's Gold / Thief games, but I play plenty of Apothecary, Scrying Pool, Herald, or Mystic games where I can afford to gain a nonterminal 4.

But I'm really not concerned about how perfect the very bottom is.
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« Reply #104 on: October 20, 2016, 03:31:27 pm »
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I don't play enough Fool's Gold / Thief games, but I play plenty of Apothecary, Scrying Pool, Herald, or Mystic games where I can afford to gain a nonterminal 4.

You shouldn't buy Scout just because Apothecary, Scrying Pool, Herald or Mystic is in the game and you can afford to gain a nonterminal 4. You need to be able to utilize the fact that it's a non-terminal Action that costs $4 and is named Scout somehow, you need to be able to utilize the deck reordering somehow, you need to be able to utilize the Victory card drawing somehow and you need to be able to gain it for entirely free (i.e. the only other alternative would be nothing at all), and then it's just a super little bit better than nothing. If the only thing it's doing for your deck is helping your Mystics, you should trash any Scouts that you have gotten somehow.

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« Reply #105 on: October 20, 2016, 05:01:21 pm »
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Procession may be the best case for scout.
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« Reply #107 on: October 26, 2016, 10:44:17 am »
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Just throw Scout and Thief on the bottom, after Adventurer. Qvist has convinced me that Adventurer is just the worst card in all of Dominion. After that, Scout, and then Thief, and then on and on and on.
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« Reply #108 on: October 26, 2016, 10:59:02 am »
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« Reply #109 on: October 27, 2016, 06:28:15 am »
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I was doing art rankings for three weeks and finally this is finished! I will post top-20 and bottom-20 with some comments:

1.) Page
2.) Advance   
3.) Warrior 
Top-3 is girls with swords. Funny. Page is just so very beautiful! the art and everything. Same is Warrior. Advance is a perfect choice of colors, the white dress is spectacular here.
4.) Necropolis
5.) Overgrown Estate
Somehow those two ended close. I love Shelters art, Hovel's not here just because I don't really like the colors there. But Necropolis' lines and the fire that seems alive. But OE's monumentality and nice interaction with Base Set Estate card. I love it.
6.) Advisor - Nothing to say really, cool card with cool idea and cool interaction between art and what it does.
7.) Royal Carriage - Yeah, really, at first you don't see what's going on on this card but then you realise it's rather cool. I love this purple, I don't think any other card has this purple.
8.) Crown - Hardest contester. I love it, but it was hard to compare this card to others. In the end I'm happy with its 8th place.
9.) Sauna/Avanto - At first I thought it will win. Then I understood that it's not enough but still, the card is awesome!
10.) Save - I love colors on this card.
11.) Jester - Nothing to say. I think Jester will end in top-20.
12.) Caravan - If you look at this card more and more, you see more and more details. The horizon, sea out there, everything is on its place.
13.) Wedding - Nice theme, cool colors.
14.) Sprawling Castle - best castle ever. This dark orange is awesome, the very castle seems endless.
15.) Wall - Looks like photo actually, also GoT fans, hi!
16.) Followers - Colors and people are drawn with good detailing. Love this card.
17.) Avanto - Outtake from my loving Sauna/Avanto randomizer. I'm actually surprised Sauna isn't in top-20.
18.) Distant Lands - Many details and I really want to go there.
19.) Masquerade - Always think about how good the art is when I play with it.
20.) Labyrinth - I like the idea that it didn't have the exit in the beginning but now it has.

Here's to the bottom-20!

374.) Plan - Face is meh.
375.) Loan - I don't like this style and the hands are not even look like hands.
376.) Teacher - I don't like the whole Peasant line (Maybe soldier is more or less okay)
377.) Wolf Den - When I first saw it in the previews I thought smb is kidding me. The head of one of the wolves is living separately from the body.
378.) Borrow - Harem-style.
379.) Fugitive - See Teacher.
380.) Navigator - We all know about the art of this guy.
381.) Shanty Town - See Navigator
382.) Harem - It's not the last one! Compared to others it has nice colors at least.
383.) Scout - When I started playing Dominion I thought there's a candlestick in front of him. Then I realised it's a leg.
384.) Pawn - The pose, the face. He's agonizing and dying and walks as a crab.
385.) Salvager - Face is disgusting. He's trying not to die there where he is and also he had quite a lot of booze before swimming.
386.) Gladiator - Just look at it.
387.) Pearl Diver - What does his face mean? Bad one.
388.) Masterpiece - It's not really Masterpiece, look at it. Also yellow here is awful.
389.) Butcher - I just don't like this king of art. Baker is okay-ish, but Butcher is not.
390.) Disciple - See Teacher.
391.) Mandarin - he's tortured and his body turned into snakes.
392.) Peasant - see Teacher. Also, the worst one from the line. I hate backgroung colors, they look like badly-painted walls.
393.) Fortune - see Gladiator.
394.) Candlestick Maker - worst art ever (even worse than Fortune!).
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« Reply #110 on: October 28, 2016, 03:47:37 pm »
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I notice Events are in the 'All Kingdom cards' list.  But there's also the 'Events' list.  Why both?  Can I just do the Events in their own cost buckets, then in the 'All Kingdom cards'?  Cus then couldn't the 'Events' list be derived from those?

Landmarks are not in 'All Kingdom cards', so I do see the need for the 'Landmarks' list.

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« Reply #111 on: October 28, 2016, 04:22:39 pm »
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I notice Events are in the 'All Kingdom cards' list.  But there's also the 'Events' list.  Why both?  Can I just do the Events in their own cost buckets, then in the 'All Kingdom cards'?  Cus then couldn't the 'Events' list be derived from those?

Because you can do the Event bucket first.  Easier.
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« Reply #112 on: November 08, 2016, 12:16:25 pm »
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #114 on: November 16, 2016, 05:27:56 am »
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I finally managed to finish the full list by duels.

Code: [Select]
1.) Donate   [X]
2.) Chapel   [X]
3.) Mountebank   [X]
4.) Cultist   [X]
5.) Ambassador   [X]
6.) Masquerade   [X]
7.) Wharf   [X]
8.) Page   [X]
9.) Scrying Pool   [X]
10.) Peasant   [X]
11.) Ferry   [X]
12.) Goons   [X]
13.) King's Court   [X]
14.) Urchin   [X]
15.) Alms   [X]
16.) Rebuild   [X]
17.) Junk Dealer   [X]
18.) Lost City   [X]
19.) Knights   [X]
20.) Tournament   [X]
21.) Inheritance   [X]
22.) Steward   [X]
23.) Lost Arts   [X]
24.) Remake   [X]
25.) Black Market   [X]
26.) Torturer   [X]
27.) Amulet   [X]
28.) Witch   [X]
29.) Vineyard   [X]
30.) Throne Room   [X]
31.) Counterfeit   [X]
32.) Ironmonger   [X]
33.) Fortune   [X]
34.) Menagerie   [X]
35.) Legionary   [X]
36.) Governor   [X]
37.) Watchtower   [X]
38.) Familiar   [X]
39.) Grand Market   [X]
40.) Minion   [X]
41.) Fishing Village   [X]
42.) City Quarter   [X]
43.) Groundskeeper   [X]
44.) Wandering Minstrel   [X]
45.) Altar   [X]
46.) Swindler   [X]
47.) Ghost Ship   [X]
48.) Magpie   [X]
49.) Butcher   [X]
50.) Young Witch   [X]
51.) Raze   [X]
52.) Doctor   [X]
53.) Bridge Troll   [X]
54.) Worker's Village   [X]
55.) Herald   [X]
56.) Hunting Party   [X]
57.) Count   [X]
58.) Tactician   [X]
59.) Overlord   [X]
60.) Bridge   [X]
61.) Horn of Plenty   [X]
62.) Encampment   [X]
63.) Spice Merchant   [X]
64.) Conspirator   [X]
65.) Stonemason   [X]
66.) Highway   [X]
67.) Wishing Well   [X]
68.) Bishop   [X]
69.) Upgrade   [X]
70.) Alchemist   [X]
71.) Sea Hag   [X]
72.) Quarry   [X]
73.) Apothecary   [X]
74.) Wild Hunt   [X]
75.) Forager   [X]
76.) Envoy   [X]
77.) Haggler   [X]
78.) Lighthouse   [X]
79.) Swamp Hag   [X]
80.) Distant Lands   [X]
81.) Marauder   [X]
82.) Hunting Grounds   [X]
83.) Hermit   [X]
84.) Border Village   [X]
85.) Smithy   [X]
86.) Treasure Trove   [X]
87.) Jack of all Trades   [X]
88.) Ironworks   [X]
89.) Apprentice   [X]
90.) Militia   [X]
91.) Duke   [X]
92.) Smugglers   [X]
93.) Hoard   [X]
94.) Villa   [X]
95.) Laboratory   [X]
96.) Monument   [X]
97.) Village   [X]
98.) Outpost   [X]
99.) Expedition   [X]
100.) Borrow   [X]
101.) Fool's Gold   [X]
102.) Hireling   [X]
103.) Gear   [X]
104.) Pathfinding   [X]
105.) Soothsayer   [X]
106.) Jester   [X]
107.) Ill-Gotten Gains   [X]
108.) Royal Carriage   [X]
109.) Fairgrounds   [X]
110.) Mission   [X]
111.) Castles   [X]
112.) Trade   [X]
113.) Save   [X]
114.) Lookout   [X]
115.) Crown   [X]
116.) Relic   [X]
117.) Scheme   [X]
118.) Procession   [X]
119.) Royal Blacksmith   [X]
120.) Dominate   [X]
121.) Possession   [X]
122.) Salvager   [X]
123.) Storyteller   [X]
124.) Festival   [X]
125.) Candlestick Maker   [X]
126.) University   [X]
127.) Temple   [X]
128.) Dungeon   [X]
129.) Gardens   [X]
130.) Wedding   [X]
131.) Bandit Camp   [X]
132.) Peddler   [X]
133.) Fortress   [X]
134.) Margrave   [X]
135.) Cutpurse   [X]
136.) Delve   [X]
137.) Ranger   [X]
138.) Triumph   [X]
139.) Port   [X]
140.) Oracle   [X]
141.) Coin of the Realm   [X]
142.) Armory   [X]
143.) Scouting Party   [X]
144.) Summon   [X]
145.) Nobles   [X]
146.) Guide   [X]
147.) Mining Village   [X]
148.) Caravan   [X]
149.) Hamlet   [X]
150.) Annex   [X]
151.) Haunted Woods   [X]
152.) Market Square   [X]
153.) Plunder   [X]
154.) Ball   [X]
155.) Warehouse   [X]
156.) Poor House   [X]
157.) Miser   [X]
158.) Rabble   [X]
159.) Artificer   [X]
160.) Baron   [X]
161.) Scavenger   [X]
162.) Bustling Village   [X]
163.) Baker   [X]
164.) Ritual   [X]
165.) Forge   [X]
166.) Catacombs   [X]
167.) Vault   [X]
168.) Walled Village   [X]
169.) Council Room   [X]
170.) Plaza   [X]
171.) Salt the Earth   [X]
172.) Pilgrimage   [X]
173.) Bonfire   [X]
174.) Training   [X]
175.) Archive   [X]
176.) Engineer   [X]
177.) Workshop   [X]
178.) Capital   [X]
179.) Forum   [X]
180.) Settlers   [X]
181.) Catapult   [X]
182.) Loan   [X]
183.) City   [X]
184.) Trading Post   [X]
185.) Merchant Guild   [X]
186.) Stables   [X]
187.) Duplicate   [X]
188.) Sacrifice   [X]
189.) Bank   [X]
190.) Shanty Town   [X]
191.) Travelling Fair   [X]
192.) Seaway   [X]
193.) Farming Village   [X]
194.) Pawn   [X]
195.) Remodel   [X]
196.) Band of Misfits   [X]
197.) Windfall   [X]
198.) Advance   [X]
199.) Moneylender   [X]
200.) Squire   [X]
201.) Ratcatcher   [X]
202.) Moat   [X]
203.) Cartographer   [X]
204.) Embassy   [X]
205.) Inn   [X]
206.) Bazaar   [X]
207.) Crossroads   [X]
208.) Journeyman   [X]
209.) Library   [X]
210.) Tunnel   [X]
211.) Courtyard   [X]
212.) Horse Traders   [X]
213.) Venture   [X]
214.) Transmogrify   [X]
215.) Develop   [X]
216.) Masterpiece   [X]
217.) Market   [X]
218.) Quest   [X]
219.) Nomad Camp   [X]
220.) Expand   [X]
221.) Giant   [X]
222.) Silk Road   [X]
223.) Native Village   [X]
224.) Mystic   [X]
225.) Gladiator   [X]
226.) Golem   [X]
227.) Chariot Race   [X]
228.) Emporium   [X]
229.) Conquest   [X]
230.) Cellar   [X]
231.) Trade Route   [X]
232.) Graverobber   [X]
233.) Prince   [X]
234.) Plan   [X]
235.) Wine Merchant   [X]
236.) Treasury   [X]
237.) Vagrant   [X]
238.) Advisor   [X]
239.) Mint   [X]
240.) Charm   [X]
241.) Enchantress   [X]
242.) Patrician   [X]
243.) Oasis   [X]
244.) Contraband   [X]
245.) Island   [X]
246.) Harem   [X]
247.) Farmland   [X]
248.) Farmers' Market   [X]
249.) Messenger   [X]
250.) Storeroom   [X]
251.) Rogue   [X]
252.) Woodcutter   [X]
253.) Treasure Map   [X]
254.) Noble Brigand   [X]
255.) Pillage   [X]
256.) Death Cart   [X]
257.) Tax   [X]
258.) Mine   [X]
259.) Merchant Ship   [X]
260.) Haven   [X]
261.) Banquet   [X]
262.) Herbalist   [X]
263.) Saboteur   [X]
264.) Trader   [X]
265.) Rats   [X]
266.) Feodum   [X]
267.) Caravan Guard   [X]
268.) Mandarin   [X]
269.) Explorer   [X]
270.) Raid   [X]
271.) Royal Seal   [X]
272.) Tribute   [X]
273.) Beggar   [X]
274.) Embargo   [X]
275.) Talisman   [X]
276.) Great Hall   [X]
277.) Pirate Ship   [X]
278.) Philosopher's Stone   [X]
279.) Taxman   [X]
280.) Bureaucrat   [X]
281.) Counting House   [X]
282.) Spy   [X]
283.) Fortune Teller   [X]
284.) Chancellor   [X]
285.) Stash   [X]
286.) Sage   [X]
287.) Navigator   [X]
288.) Cache   [X]
289.) Thief   [X]
290.) Coppersmith   [X]
291.) Feast   [X]
292.) Duchess   [X]
293.) Harvest   [X]
294.) Pearl Diver   [X]
295.) Rocks   [X]
296.) Secret Chamber   [X]
297.) Scout   [X]
298.) Transmute   [X]
299.) Adventurer   [X]

Notable placements:
8. Page vs 10. Peasant - I like Peasant more, but Page is just a strategy unto itself while Peasant requires some engine environment.
11. Ferry - it is that good.
15. Alms - this one was quite hard to rank, but it has a huge impact on the opening and is really useful later on.
18. Lost City - I feel like this card is still underrated by a lot of players who are afraid of giving their opponent an extra card.
35. Legionary - the highest-ranked Empires card. (i.e. non-Event)
36. Governor - it's really not as strong as some people think.
87. Jack Of All Trades - I feel like this is lower than the consenus. While it's often useful, it's never that amazing because ou rarely want everything it does.
85. Smithy and 97. Village - both make the top third of cards, which goes to show that the simple cheap effect is often all you need, and also shows my increased appreciation of draw and Villages.
111. Castles - they did end up pretty high. This may be subject to change, but I think ignoring Castles could sometimes be as bad as ignoring Knights.
150. Annex - apprently the definition of an average card-shaped thing.
176. Engineer vs 177. Workshop - the new card gets a tiny advantage.
201. Ratcatcher - it's one of the worst trashers out there, because of its inherent slowness and being limited to your starting hand.
252. Woodcutter - the best of the removed cards.
297. Scout vs 298. Transmute vs 299. Adventurer - Scout gets a bit of an edge due to stuff like Inheritance and various Estate-flooders in Empires.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #115 on: November 16, 2016, 07:26:07 am »
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I'm using the rating mode, and when I'm done with a list and switch to another, the old lists get completely jumbled up :( Atleast when there is an overlap(ranking events seperately and in their lists). How can I avoid this?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #116 on: November 16, 2016, 07:46:41 am »
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I just realized there's no way to rank Castles :(
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #117 on: November 16, 2016, 08:35:43 am »
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I'm using the rating mode, and when I'm done with a list and switch to another, the old lists get completely jumbled up :( Atleast when there is an overlap(ranking events seperately and in their lists). How can I avoid this?

Let's talk on discord.

I just realized there's no way to rank Castles :(

Castles is in the $6+ list ... or wait you mean against each other? Was this requested? Sorry...
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #118 on: November 16, 2016, 09:33:12 am »
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Probably wasn't requested until now ;)

I was just clicking through the Knights and thought "I could do this for Castles too".

But we probably all need more experience there anyway before we can make meaningful statements.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #119 on: November 16, 2016, 11:34:25 am »
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Page is bm by itself.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #120 on: November 16, 2016, 11:41:44 am »
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I intend to submit a full ranking of all the cards along with the individual cost ranking. I'm worried that the full card list ranking I might do on the website will get jumbled up if I try to rank cards by cost afterwards. Is it sufficient to just do a full ranking on the website (and knights/prizes/whatever)?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #121 on: November 16, 2016, 11:57:28 am »
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Finally finished the art ranking.  Just the favorite ranking left.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #122 on: November 16, 2016, 07:32:30 pm »
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I intend to submit a full ranking of all the cards along with the individual cost ranking. I'm worried that the full card list ranking I might do on the website will get jumbled up if I try to rank cards by cost afterwards. Is it sufficient to just do a full ranking on the website (and knights/prizes/whatever)?

If you do the full ranking there's no need to do the ones for individual costs, they are generated automatically.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #123 on: November 16, 2016, 09:06:22 pm »
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I intend to submit a full ranking of all the cards along with the individual cost ranking. I'm worried that the full card list ranking I might do on the website will get jumbled up if I try to rank cards by cost afterwards. Is it sufficient to just do a full ranking on the website (and knights/prizes/whatever)?

If you do the full ranking there's no need to do the ones for individual costs, they are generated automatically.

Nice. I was hoping this way the case. Thanks!
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #124 on: November 19, 2016, 03:50:29 pm »
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There are two finish options, rate and compare which one do I select?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #125 on: November 20, 2016, 08:17:42 am »
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There are two finish options, rate and compare which one do I select?

If you did the duels or did the order by drag & drop you submit the compare/order mode. If you did rate with values you submit the rate mode.
Is that what you asked? I wasn't sure if I understood.

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Also, less than 12 hours left to submit. Make sure you finish the lists today and mark the correct list as finished.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #126 on: November 20, 2016, 03:13:09 pm »
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I didn't do All Cards (or Landmarks), is there any way I can have all of my lists except those two marked? All Cards takes FOREVER and is very hard, and I just don't get what ranking Landmarks even is.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #127 on: November 20, 2016, 04:12:29 pm »
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Things I've learned from completing these three rankings:

1. Deciding my top X and bottom X cards is fairly easy, but everything in the middle is nigh impossible. I find myself caught in the loop of Card A > Card B > Card C > Card A over and over, and the loops even intertwine to the point that I am utterly baffled as to my own opinion. Nevertheless, I managed to rank them all by what I deem is "best" (most likely to earn you victory in the most possible situations), favorite (the criteria for which is somewhat less focused - something between how much do I enjoy playing this card, how much do I hate losing to this card, how amazing is it when someone actual wins with this card, and a sprinkle of inexplicable bias), and favorite art (a complete shot in the dark).

2. If I were to rank them all again right now, the lists would all look at least slightly different. And I am very happy about that. I enjoy the fact that at any moment, I could play a game of Dominion with a particular card and decide that it is, in fact, much better than I gave it credit for. Then later, I might decide that it really isn't that good after all. This seesaw effect of learning the power levels of particular cards through playing them in various kingdoms is what keeps Dominion at the top of my favorite games list. I have played literally thousands of games, read numerous articles and opinions, and I still feel the excitement of learning the game whenever I approach a new board.

3. Adventures is easily my favorite Dominion set.

4. Claus Stephan is easily my favorite Dominion artist.

I am thoroughly looking forward to the unveiling of the full lists, and would like to applaud Qvist for putting in the time to make this possible every year. This is my first time ranking, but I have enjoyed these lists for some time. Bravo, sir!
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #128 on: November 20, 2016, 04:16:45 pm »
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I didn't do All Cards (or Landmarks), is there any way I can have all of my lists except those two marked? All Cards takes FOREVER and is very hard, and I just don't get what ranking Landmarks even is.

Landmarks: If you did no duels or left the rate field empty, they won't get taken into account. If you did, you can click on the X to delete or delete the values from the rate list.
All cards: It gets counted by default, put together from the individual lists you did. As not a lot do the full list we get a better list this way than not counting them.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #129 on: November 20, 2016, 06:59:27 pm »
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So, the deadline ends now and a quick look in the database shows me that only around a third of all the users that logged in saved their lists.
I wonder if a lot forgot or didn't realise or if just many didn't in fact finish...
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #130 on: November 20, 2016, 07:03:18 pm »
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So, the deadline ends now and a quick look in the database shows me that only around a third of all the users that logged in saved their lists.
I wonder if a lot forgot or didn't realise or if just many didn't in fact finish...

I think it's easy to forget. The new finish system isn't super obvious.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #131 on: November 20, 2016, 07:05:28 pm »
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Yeah I'm a coder not a web designer, not sure how to implement it well.

Edit: I'm going to bed now, decide tomorrow what I'll do about that.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #132 on: November 20, 2016, 07:18:07 pm »
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I finished mine, even though the rankings weren't 100% done. I figured there was enough data in them to contribute something.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #133 on: November 20, 2016, 09:10:36 pm »
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I sent in my 'best cards' list by pm, but I did the favorites list on the page. I'm pretty sure I saved it.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #134 on: November 20, 2016, 09:16:30 pm »
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I didn't fully duel out the favorites, but I'm fine with the list as it stands, and I should have registered everything as "complete".
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #135 on: November 20, 2016, 09:25:27 pm »
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Yeah I'm a coder not a web designer, not sure how to implement it well.

Edit: I'm going to bed now, decide tomorrow what I'll do about that.

My thoughts are to PM those who participated in the past who did not hit complete, and I guess if possible try to reach out to those with lists that look complete.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #136 on: November 20, 2016, 11:58:14 pm »
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4.) Peasant   [X]
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6.) Pathfinding   [X]
7.) Lost Arts   [X]
8.) Cultist   [X]
9.) Goons   [X]
10.) Mountebank   [X]
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105.) Young Witch   [X]
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107.) Count   [X]
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #137 on: November 21, 2016, 08:43:05 am »
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For the record, my rankings weren't anywhere near done. I knew about the feature though.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #138 on: November 21, 2016, 09:53:28 am »
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My strength/favorite rankings are both fully done, but my art ranking is not, I just couldn't bother anymore. Seriously, who really cares about the art? But I think I managed to click Save for the appropriate lists.

Anyway, looking forward to the results! :)
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #139 on: November 21, 2016, 10:09:45 am »
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I think I clicked save...

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #140 on: November 21, 2016, 10:13:34 am »
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I think I clicked 'save' as well.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #141 on: November 21, 2016, 10:19:44 am »
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I think I'm going to live with it.
Not sure when the results are going to be revealed, probably starting next week. Because I still have to do some prep work to get the right results, shame on me, hadn't have the time to do it yet.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #142 on: November 30, 2016, 03:16:23 pm »
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I think I'm going to live with it.
Not sure when the results are going to be revealed, probably starting next week. Because I still have to do some prep work to get the right results, shame on me, hadn't have the time to do it yet.
Any updates on how soon they will come out?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #143 on: November 30, 2016, 04:49:32 pm »
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I'm really sorry, still working on it, really busy at the moment, couldn't plan for it unfortunately.
It's coming guys, don't worry.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #144 on: December 01, 2016, 12:33:11 am »
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #145 on: December 01, 2016, 04:56:47 am »
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Yeah, there's still a month left in order to still qualify as the 2016 rankings. :P
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #146 on: December 02, 2016, 02:04:49 pm »
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Working on writing the results right now.
First data: Over 200 users registered for the Best Card List  ;D but only around 60 saved and can be counted  :(
That's way less than last year unfortunately. But the results should still be meaningful enough.
My plan to post a result of around 10 cards every 1-2 days, depending on how busy I am. so it should be finished in around 2 months.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #147 on: December 03, 2016, 09:01:01 pm »
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #148 on: December 07, 2016, 07:27:43 pm »
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is it a Hot Taek to say that rebuild should not even be a top 10 $5 anymore? adventures' engine buffs already took it out of the top 5 imo, and 2nd edition + especially empires are going to be even worse for it.  it's just such a low-ceiling strategy, whereas something like mountebank fits into the strategies enabled by all the shiny new things. idk

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #149 on: December 07, 2016, 08:17:10 pm »
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is it a Hot Taek to say that rebuild should not even be a top 10 $5 anymore? adventures' engine buffs already took it out of the top 5 imo, and 2nd edition + especially empires are going to be even worse for it.  it's just such a low-ceiling strategy, whereas something like mountebank fits into the strategies enabled by all the shiny new things. idk

I had it at 9, but I could plausibly see it around 13 on my list. I think with Second Edition and Avanto in next time it'll dip below 15 on my list.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #150 on: December 08, 2016, 12:04:06 am »
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I think Rebuild is going to fall a little in the rankings, but it still seems like a top 10 $5 card to me.  Adventures did add plenty of cards that help fuel engines, but it also added some cards that synergize well with Rebuild.  Ferry + Rebuild is almost always the dominant strategy when it appears.  Messenger is one of the best Rebuild support cards if the opponent isn't mirroring: junk them with Estates and trigger strategic reshuffles.  Scouting Party, Dungeon, and Guide let you see your Rebuilds more often.  I have less experience with Empires, but it seems like many of the Landmarks will strengthen Rebuild: Aqueduct, Bandit Fort, Battlefield, Labyrinth, Mountain Pass, Tomb, Wall, Wolf Den.  However, most of the Alt-VP cards in Empires hurt Rebuild, and there are a lot of them.  Time will tell.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #151 on: December 08, 2016, 09:30:37 am »
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I'm not an expert at playing with Empires, but I highly doubt it. Rebuild is a strong strategy on its own, to the point that it's non-trivial to beat it with an average engine. The circumstances where it's obviously beatable are somewhat rare.

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« Reply #152 on: December 08, 2016, 04:03:41 pm »
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wanna see limetime chime in cuz he just barely had rebuild in his top 100 overall.  i thought i was a bit out there, but damn

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #153 on: December 08, 2016, 07:53:46 pm »
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wanna see limetime chime in cuz he just barely had rebuild in his top 100 overall.  i thought i was a bit out there, but damn
I perhaps underrated it a bit.

The general opinion of rebuild has been inflated by the people who believe you need a really strong engine to beat it. You actually olny need a good-ok engine to beat it especially with the large amount of points provided by empires.

That said it was has gotten worse because...
Replacing the worst cards in the game with pretty decent cards makes each board better on a whole meaning rebuild will come up less often.
Adventures and empires helps engines a lot more than rebuild.
Only 7 ish rebuild enablers in empires and adventures compared to tons of engine enablers.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #154 on: December 13, 2016, 12:19:38 pm »
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wanna see limetime chime in cuz he just barely had rebuild in his top 100 overall.  i thought i was a bit out there, but damn
I perhaps underrated it a bit.

The general opinion of rebuild has been inflated by the people who believe you need a really strong engine to beat it. You actually olny need a good-ok engine to beat it especially with the large amount of points provided by empires.

That said it was has gotten worse because...
Replacing the worst cards in the game with pretty decent cards makes each board better on a whole meaning rebuild will come up less often.
Adventures and empires helps engines a lot more than rebuild.
Only 7 ish rebuild enablers in empires and adventures compared to tons of engine enablers.

I agree with this. Especially the part about the addition of points in Empires making Rebuild even less playable--Rebuild is only "good" because it destroys the points pool and doesn't give the engine the time to catch up. But in Empires with there being a lot of other ways to score points (and often those ways being nearly wholly unavailable to the Rebuild player), it makes Rebuild less of an even reasonable option on most boards.

Playing Rebuild is basically essentially the same as playing a strong-ish BM strategy. And those strategies are less and less relevant by the day.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #155 on: December 16, 2016, 03:44:03 pm »
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Not sure if it's been asked before but how hard would it be to rank all voters in how close they are to the consensus?  Would be neat to know.  I guess issues of confidentially/anonymity may arise?  Idk.  And not sure on the "algorithm" you'd use for such a thing, or if it would be on all cards or broken up by each list you have, etc.  Just curious I guess.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #156 on: December 16, 2016, 04:04:27 pm »
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Not sure if it's been asked before but how hard would it be to rank all voters in how close they are to the consensus?  Would be neat to know.  I guess issues of confidentially/anonymity may arise?  Idk.  And not sure on the "algorithm" you'd use for such a thing, or if it would be on all cards or broken up by each list you have, etc.  Just curious I guess.

Sure, that would be possible, not sure how useful this info would be though. I'm not really interested in doing that, especially as such information might influence future votings as a person might vote "conservatively" just to be high in this list.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #157 on: December 16, 2016, 04:42:15 pm »
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Being close to the consensus is not a good thing anyway. I consider some of these rankings pretty off.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #158 on: December 18, 2016, 07:17:38 am »
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There was no update yesterday and will no update today, sorry. I'm planning to continue on Monday.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #159 on: January 03, 2017, 08:55:42 am »
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Well, I'm not ill anymore, but working on a project now that consumes more time than I hoped for.
(Also I really like to play Dominion Online 2017)

So, have patience with me, the lists will continue soon.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #160 on: January 03, 2017, 12:49:00 pm »
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #161 on: February 01, 2017, 06:22:40 am »
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Again a small little break as I'm again pretty busy. Lists will continue on the weekend.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #162 on: February 25, 2017, 11:38:43 am »
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Lists will very likely continue on Monday.

Edit: Tuesday, I'm sorry, had a terrible night with no sleep. But the goal is definitely Tuesday.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #163 on: March 28, 2017, 11:05:33 am »
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So, again there has been a long delay. :(

I wasn't really feeling like doing this and when I was, I couldn't really concentrate, now that I have a couple of games for the league coming up, I will have to think about Dominion again and then I'm hopefully in the right mood again. But I will definitely finish this, there aren't many parts left anyway.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #164 on: March 28, 2017, 11:15:48 am »
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So, again there has been a long delay. :(

I wasn't really feeling like doing this and when I was, I couldn't really concentrate, now that I have a couple of games for the league coming up, I will have to think about Dominion again and then I'm hopefully in the right mood again. But I will definitely finish this, there aren't many parts left anyway.

What about favorite card list and best art list?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #165 on: March 28, 2017, 11:17:10 am »
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So, again there has been a long delay. :(

I wasn't really feeling like doing this and when I was, I couldn't really concentrate, now that I have a couple of games for the league coming up, I will have to think about Dominion again and then I'm hopefully in the right mood again. But I will definitely finish this, there aren't many parts left anyway.

What about favorite card list and best art list?

Will come, but will be released in one go and without all the stats.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #166 on: April 21, 2017, 02:06:21 pm »
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Any further updates? Any way we could help?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #167 on: April 23, 2017, 09:46:56 am »
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Hi, Qvist. Love your rankings page - I keep a tab open to it to refer to when I play all the time. Even if you never do anymore, awesome job! If you don't want to or can't put any more time into it we'd understand. Maybe you could just post a quick list of the remaining $5 and $6+ rankings without worrying about doing any videos so then anyone could update the wiki and you could be done with it? Just an idea.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #168 on: April 23, 2017, 09:52:45 am »
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Sorry to disappoint you all. I plan to continue like every day, but I end up not doing it.
Mostly because I have things in mind than Dominion, I haven't played a lot lately.
It's great to hear that you're waiting for it, it definitely motivates me to finish it.
I try to really continue next week, no promises though.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #169 on: April 25, 2017, 12:41:52 pm »
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How important are the videos? I personally never watch them, so I'd much rather just see a new list posted every couple of days. I'm interested in the lists and discussion, but it seems like it's the videos that hold up the whole process.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #170 on: April 25, 2017, 02:53:35 pm »
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How important are the videos? I personally never watch them, so I'd much rather just see a new list posted every couple of days. I'm interested in the lists and discussion, but it seems like it's the videos that hold up the whole process.

So...I really do like the videos myself, and try to watch all of them when I have time.  I greatly appreciate the work that Qvist puts into them and I frequently gain added insights into cards.  I'm not a tournament player myself (although I have played thousands of games), so I think I more represent the casual player.  I participated in the past on the ratings, but did not do so this past year because I had not played as much.  However...I do agree with your point that the creation of the videos may have be slowing down the publication of the lists, and perhaps it has become too large an effort for one person when they have have other life priorities.  I also agree with you that I would prefer to see the lists posted every few days in a more timely manner.  Maybe videos could follow after the lists?...perhaps just summary videos for each cost group?  Just trying to think of something that might make it easier for Qvist to complete this.  I'm anxious to see the 2nd edition cards in next year's list, but worried about it being feasible again.  I've seen others offer to help out...maybe time to consider it Qvist??

And thanks Qvist for everything you have done on this!!!  It has greatly increased my knowledge and enjoyment of the game.  Seeing the ratings for the Empires cards has been really nice since that is the only set I do not own the physical set of (can't talk friends and family into learning anything more yet ; )
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #171 on: April 25, 2017, 04:11:46 pm »
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I can assure that it's not about the time making the videos.
I mean it takes some time, sure, but it's fun to me and I want to make them.

The problem now is different. Normally I think about Dominion like all the time, I'm obsessed with it. That's why I make those lists. I was working on a different project the last half year though (it started being for fun, but got big and evolved) and still I managed to release the lists, slower sure, but I did it because I wanted to.

But lately I somehow don't think about Dominion, don't want to play and so on. Usually when I'm in that kind of mood, it goes away very quickly. But this time it stays. I still force myself to play the league because when I'm playing I'm pretty sure I get in the mood again to continue.

I want to finish it, I just really can't concentrate looking at those numbers, not sure what's going on. I tried several times, but ended up doing something different instead.
I will now schedule some games for the next weeks for the League. If I don't end up continuing the lists in the next weeks, I will think about just posting the results and be done with it.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #172 on: May 26, 2017, 02:51:27 am »
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Working on it right now, update hopefully the next days.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #173 on: May 26, 2017, 11:14:41 am »
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I can assure that it's not about the time making the videos.
I mean it takes some time, sure, but it's fun to me and I want to make them.

The problem now is different. Normally I think about Dominion like all the time, I'm obsessed with it. That's why I make those lists. I was working on a different project the last half year though (it started being for fun, but got big and evolved) and still I managed to release the lists, slower sure, but I did it because I wanted to.

But lately I somehow don't think about Dominion, don't want to play and so on. Usually when I'm in that kind of mood, it goes away very quickly. But this time it stays. I still force myself to play the league because when I'm playing I'm pretty sure I get in the mood again to continue.

I want to finish it, I just really can't concentrate looking at those numbers, not sure what's going on. I tried several times, but ended up doing something different instead.
I will now schedule some games for the next weeks for the League. If I don't end up continuing the lists in the next weeks, I will think about just posting the results and be done with it.

You'll get back into the swing of things. Dominion is a great game. You probably just need some extended time from it. We all need that sometimes.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #174 on: June 01, 2017, 06:51:26 pm »
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Is there a site where we can basically do Qvist's rankings but without Dominion cards? I have a bunch of things I want to order and I think that would be by far the easiest way to.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #175 on: June 02, 2017, 02:16:14 am »
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Is there a site where we can basically do Qvist's rankings but without Dominion cards? I have a bunch of things I want to order and I think that would be by far the easiest way to.

I tried googling "Qvist's lists for non-dominion" but didn't find anything useful.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #176 on: June 02, 2017, 02:39:15 am »
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Is there a site where we can basically do Qvist's rankings but without Dominion cards? I have a bunch of things I want to order and I think that would be by far the easiest way to.

I have done Qvist's rankings without Dominion cards. This was the result:











Maybe I can write a tool to enable this.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition
« Reply #177 on: July 11, 2017, 10:48:16 am »
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Is there a site where we can basically do Qvist's rankings but without Dominion cards? I have a bunch of things I want to order and I think that would be by far the easiest way to.

I've looked for a more generic ranking tool like Qvist's multiple times before and I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist. I also asked Qvist personally who had no idea of any such thing.

'ranking tool' yields results related to website rankings in search engines. 'list ordering tool' yields stuff like alphabetizers and randomizers. The closest I got was with 'favorites ordering tool', which yielded something very similar for Pokemon: http://fio4ri.github.io/FavoritePokemon/ . But still, nothing generic.

If you ever do happen to find something like this, please let me know, it would honestly be a dream come true. Not even slightly exaggerating.

The problem now is different. Normally I think about Dominion like all the time, I'm obsessed with it. That's why I make those lists. I was working on a different project the last half year though (it started being for fun, but got big and evolved) and still I managed to release the lists, slower sure, but I did it because I wanted to.

But lately I somehow don't think about Dominion, don't want to play and so on. Usually when I'm in that kind of mood, it goes away very quickly. But this time it stays. I still force myself to play the league because when I'm playing I'm pretty sure I get in the mood again to continue.

I've actually had the same thing happen to me, after being completely obsessed with Dominion for two years I kinda lost interest. At first I thought it was because of the new client or because of some losing streak, but it wasn't. I guess those things just happen. But hey, it's still a cool game and I still play it IRL every once in a while.
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