Dominion Strategy Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Pages: 1 ... 42 43 [44] 45 46 ... 52  All

Author Topic: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative: Game Over!  (Read 141184 times)

0 Members and 5 Guests are viewing this topic.

J Reggie

  • Jester
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 842
  • Shuffle iT Username: J Reggie
    • View Profile
    • Jeff Rosenthal Music
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1075 on: November 09, 2016, 02:53:05 pm »

Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it.  We lynch RR today.  If he flips scum, we win, great.  If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum.  Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.

no sir. When he refuses to NK he claims he RB'd you, we will kill you. then he NKs the next night and wins.

Why would you do that though?

Roadrunner7671

  • Torturer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1845
  • Shuffle iT Username: Roadrunner7672
  • Forum Mafia Record: 18-33-2
    • View Profile
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1076 on: November 09, 2016, 02:53:16 pm »

So PPS is 100% an IC, right? There are no edge cases?
Logged
Oh God someone delete this before Roadrunner sees it.

pingpongsam

  • Torturer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1760
  • Shuffle iT Username: pingpongsam
    • View Profile
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1077 on: November 09, 2016, 02:54:05 pm »

Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it.  We lynch RR today.  If he flips scum, we win, great.  If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum.  Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.

no sir. When he refuses to NK he claims he RB'd you, we will kill you. then he NKs the next night and wins.

Why would you do that though?

Because the claim looks pretty legit if no NK happens.
Logged
You are the brashest scum player on f.ds.

pingpongsam

  • Torturer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1760
  • Shuffle iT Username: pingpongsam
    • View Profile
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1078 on: November 09, 2016, 02:54:35 pm »

So PPS is 100% an IC, right? There are no edge cases?

Edge case is SS is town but totally lying.
Logged
You are the brashest scum player on f.ds.

Roadrunner7671

  • Torturer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1845
  • Shuffle iT Username: Roadrunner7672
  • Forum Mafia Record: 18-33-2
    • View Profile
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1079 on: November 09, 2016, 02:55:29 pm »

So PPS is 100% an IC, right? There are no edge cases?

Edge case is SS is town but totally lying.
Yeah I think I'm gonna trust SS on this one
Logged
Oh God someone delete this before Roadrunner sees it.

Roadrunner7671

  • Torturer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1845
  • Shuffle iT Username: Roadrunner7672
  • Forum Mafia Record: 18-33-2
    • View Profile
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1080 on: November 09, 2016, 02:55:45 pm »

Or could he be scum?
Logged
Oh God someone delete this before Roadrunner sees it.

pingpongsam

  • Torturer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1760
  • Shuffle iT Username: pingpongsam
    • View Profile
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1081 on: November 09, 2016, 02:55:54 pm »

Can someone who is good at setups tell me if the RB claim is a super duper strong one, as in there must be one because we already flipped the alternating scum role? If so, no counterclaim is paramount to credibility.
Logged
You are the brashest scum player on f.ds.

pingpongsam

  • Torturer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1760
  • Shuffle iT Username: pingpongsam
    • View Profile
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1082 on: November 09, 2016, 02:56:40 pm »

Or could he be scum?

Yes, SS could be scum. I'm still an IC as a result because there are not 2 scum left. But the big problem I'm chewing on right now is the one where SS is scum and we all die believing his RB claim.
Logged
You are the brashest scum player on f.ds.

J Reggie

  • Jester
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 842
  • Shuffle iT Username: J Reggie
    • View Profile
    • Jeff Rosenthal Music
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1083 on: November 09, 2016, 02:56:48 pm »

Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it.  We lynch RR today.  If he flips scum, we win, great.  If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum.  Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.

no sir. When he refuses to NK he claims he RB'd you, we will kill you. then he NKs the next night and wins.

Why would you do that though?

Because the claim looks pretty legit if no NK happens.

But that's the thing.  We've discussed this.  Say RR does flip town.  We know that SS has to no-kill, or else he insta-loses.  There is literally no way to go wrong from my perspective.

J Reggie

  • Jester
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 842
  • Shuffle iT Username: J Reggie
    • View Profile
    • Jeff Rosenthal Music
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1084 on: November 09, 2016, 02:57:24 pm »

Can someone who is good at setups tell me if the RB claim is a super duper strong one, as in there must be one because we already flipped the alternating scum role? If so, no counterclaim is paramount to credibility.

Scum roles don't flip with their powers.

Roadrunner7671

  • Torturer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1845
  • Shuffle iT Username: Roadrunner7672
  • Forum Mafia Record: 18-33-2
    • View Profile
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1085 on: November 09, 2016, 02:57:47 pm »

@J Reggie if you're so confident why don't we switch you and me in your plan?
Logged
Oh God someone delete this before Roadrunner sees it.

J Reggie

  • Jester
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 842
  • Shuffle iT Username: J Reggie
    • View Profile
    • Jeff Rosenthal Music
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1086 on: November 09, 2016, 02:59:05 pm »

@J Reggie if you're so confident why don't we switch you and me in your plan?

Because you might be scum.  I know I'm town, so lynching you is 100% better than lynching me.

silverspawn

  • Adventurer
  • ******
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 5300
  • Shuffle iT Username: sty.silver
    • View Profile
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1087 on: November 09, 2016, 02:59:18 pm »

So -- if we mislynch today, we're 4. Blocking scum then doesn't really do anything, because scum will no-kill for sure.

But there might be something, it depends on how this is ruled...

How are deliberate no-kill -> deliberate nolnych cycles handled, if they start with a no-kill?

The hope is this: if it is ruled in such a way that no-one can no-X three times, in a row, then I can IC myself. This is how it'd work in detail

1. We Lynch Town [now we're 4 with one scum]
2. I RB scum, scum no-kills, you suspect I might be scum no-killing [first no-kill]
3. we no-lynch [first no-lynch]
4. I RB scum, scum no-kills, you suspect I might be scum no-killing [second no-kill]
5. we no-lynch [second no-lynch]
 >> Now Scum can no longer submit No-kill <<
6. I RB scum, scum tries to shoot, no-one dies. Now you know I am an IC because, as scum, I'd have had to kill someone. I can't RB myself to prevent the kill
7. We lynch scum and win

silverspawn

  • Adventurer
  • ******
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 5300
  • Shuffle iT Username: sty.silver
    • View Profile
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1088 on: November 09, 2016, 02:59:33 pm »

er, didn't mean to bold the rest

pingpongsam

  • Torturer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1760
  • Shuffle iT Username: pingpongsam
    • View Profile
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1089 on: November 09, 2016, 02:59:49 pm »

Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it.  We lynch RR today.  If he flips scum, we win, great.  If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum.  Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.

no sir. When he refuses to NK he claims he RB'd you, we will kill you. then he NKs the next night and wins.

Why would you do that though?

Because the claim looks pretty legit if no NK happens.

But that's the thing.  We've discussed this.  Say RR does flip town.  We know that SS has to no-kill, or else he insta-loses.  There is literally no way to go wrong from my perspective.

You are not thinking this through because you are dense or because you are scum hoping for one more day?

Let me spell it out for you.

PPS, Arch, JR, RR, SS
say we mislynch RR
PPS, Arch, JR, SS
no nk cuz SS calims he RB'd JR
we mislynch JR
PPS, Arch, SS
SS NK's Arch
Game Over
Logged
You are the brashest scum player on f.ds.

pingpongsam

  • Torturer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1760
  • Shuffle iT Username: pingpongsam
    • View Profile
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1090 on: November 09, 2016, 03:01:31 pm »

So -- if we mislynch today, we're 4. Blocking scum then doesn't really do anything, because scum will no-kill for sure.

But there might be something, it depends on how this is ruled...

How are deliberate no-kill -> deliberate nolnych cycles handled, if they start with a no-kill?

The hope is this: if it is ruled in such a way that no-one can no-X three times, in a row, then I can IC myself. This is how it'd work in detail

1. We Lynch Town [now we're 4 with one scum]
2. I RB scum, scum no-kills, you suspect I might be scum no-killing [first no-kill]
3. we no-lynch [first no-lynch]
4. I RB scum, scum no-kills, you suspect I might be scum no-killing [second no-kill]
5. we no-lynch [second no-lynch]
 >> Now Scum can no longer submit No-kill <<
6. I RB scum, scum tries to shoot, no-one dies. Now you know I am an IC because, as scum, I'd have had to kill someone. I can't RB myself to prevent the kill
7. We lynch scum and win

See, setup stuff... I presume we can no-lynch x times iteratively and scum can no nk x times iteratively and we exhaust them before they exhaust us in the most precious of race conditions?
Logged
You are the brashest scum player on f.ds.

silverspawn

  • Adventurer
  • ******
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 5300
  • Shuffle iT Username: sty.silver
    • View Profile
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1091 on: November 09, 2016, 03:02:46 pm »

^ that's the accurate tl;dr

pingpongsam

  • Torturer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1760
  • Shuffle iT Username: pingpongsam
    • View Profile
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1092 on: November 09, 2016, 03:04:54 pm »

I risked my neck and read the setup stuff and saw things about nolynch but not a limit and nothing about nokill, especially not limits.
Logged
You are the brashest scum player on f.ds.

J Reggie

  • Jester
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 842
  • Shuffle iT Username: J Reggie
    • View Profile
    • Jeff Rosenthal Music
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1093 on: November 09, 2016, 03:06:31 pm »

If SS is correct I say we do that.  It's a guaranteed win. 

Roadrunner7671

  • Torturer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1845
  • Shuffle iT Username: Roadrunner7672
  • Forum Mafia Record: 18-33-2
    • View Profile
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1094 on: November 09, 2016, 03:07:45 pm »

Or, or, this might sound crazy guys but just hear me out:

We lynch J Reggie and win.
Logged
Oh God someone delete this before Roadrunner sees it.

J Reggie

  • Jester
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 842
  • Shuffle iT Username: J Reggie
    • View Profile
    • Jeff Rosenthal Music
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1095 on: November 09, 2016, 03:09:21 pm »

Or, or, this might sound crazy guys but just hear me out:

We lynch J Reggie and win.

Only way that works for you is if you're town or the no-lynch no-kill thing works differently.  Otherwise you'll be conf!scum in a few days. 

Roadrunner7671

  • Torturer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1845
  • Shuffle iT Username: Roadrunner7672
  • Forum Mafia Record: 18-33-2
    • View Profile
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1096 on: November 09, 2016, 03:10:12 pm »

Or, or, this might sound crazy guys but just hear me out:

We lynch J Reggie and win.

Only way that works for you is if you're town or the no-lynch no-kill thing works differently.  Otherwise you'll be conf!scum in a few days.
I meet at least one of the conditions you stated above.
Logged
Oh God someone delete this before Roadrunner sees it.

pingpongsam

  • Torturer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1760
  • Shuffle iT Username: pingpongsam
    • View Profile
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1097 on: November 09, 2016, 03:11:12 pm »

OMG I'm reading the setup, watch out...

So we've seen a turret and an anger core out of scum.

We've seen Rick and Doug from town. Rick and Doug both resolve to Turrets from Scum. Anger core from scum resolves to either Roleblocker or Doctor from town.

So, a Doctor counterclaim refutes SS's Roleblocker claim. As we know the remaining scum must be a Turret.

If we have a Doctor or a Roleblocker we need that claim now. Otherwise I think SS must be the truth.
Logged
You are the brashest scum player on f.ds.

pingpongsam

  • Torturer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1760
  • Shuffle iT Username: pingpongsam
    • View Profile
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1098 on: November 09, 2016, 03:12:21 pm »

If we can truly trust SS's claim (and it looks like we can) then we are on easy street. If we get a counterclaim I say we lynch the new claimant anyhow and if they flip town then we know to kill SS and we still win.
Logged
You are the brashest scum player on f.ds.

J Reggie

  • Jester
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 842
  • Shuffle iT Username: J Reggie
    • View Profile
    • Jeff Rosenthal Music
Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1099 on: November 09, 2016, 03:12:38 pm »

What?
Pages: 1 ... 42 43 [44] 45 46 ... 52  All
 

Page created in 0.053 seconds with 20 queries.