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Hello, and, again, welcome to the Aperture Science Computer-aided Enrichment Center.

Mafia 87: Portal Mafia


Mods: mail-mi and gkrieg13

Signups are closed.

1. Roadrunner7671 Vanilla Core
2. silverspawn
3. LaLight Space Core
4. schadd Anger Core
5. pingpongsam
6. JaketheBaseballGod22 Turret
7. Fargo Archetype: Chell
8. Calamitas Vanilla Core
9. SpaceAnenome Rick, the Adventure Sphere
10. J Reggie
11. Robz888 Doug Rattmann
12. Haddock Curiosity Core
13. iguanaiguana McGarnacle Vanilla Core


The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.


The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod in your QT.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. All players will receive a personal QT should they wish to record their thoughts or communicate with the mod (I believe this is beneficial to the game as a whole, particularly postgame analysis).  However (due largely to weight of public opinion) it will NOT be allowed to quote directly from QTs.  It is also not allowed to specifically ask about the content of another player's QT or otherwise encourage them to discuss it.  This rule is obviously subject to abuse, so I ask players to do their best to stick to the spirit of the rule.
5. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
6. All night actions must be submitted within 35 hours of day ending, unless otherwise specified.
7. Players must post once every 24 hours.
8. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again. This includes posts in QTs.
9. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
10. Cryptography is not allowed.
11. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
12. Dead players may not post in thread or any shared QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
13. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. If there is no majority by the end of the day, the day will end in a no lynch.

The Rest:
1. Bold, lime green text is reserved for the Mod. Players should strive to avoid similar-looking text.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mods via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. Prods may be requested after 24 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mods.
8. Players with roles can send orders either in the QT or by PM, but QT is the preferred medium.

Deadlines:
1. Days have 2 possible durations:
   a. If it is Day 1, or 6 or less people are alive, days will last 7 IRL days.
   b. Otherwise, days are 10 IRL days.
2. Nights will last somewhere between 36 and 48 hours, depending on mod availability. The night action deadline is always 35 hours after day's end. 
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2016, 07:29:09 pm »

WIFOM is a Semi-Open Original setup for 13 players. It's designed to eliminate towncred given to players who claim power roles and to show how WIFOM can be a powerful tool for both Town and Scum.

The "base" setup is as follows:

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3 Mafia:

Anger Core (Goon)
Turret (Goon)
Cave Johnson (1-shot Psychotrooper)

10 Town:

Chell (1-shot Commuting Innocent Child)
Curiosity Core (3-shot Alignment Cop)
8 Vanilla Cores (Vanilla Townies)

Pregame, 0-5 Modifications will be made to the above setup. Each Modification has a 50% chance of being present. They will alter the setup by adding more power roles to both the Town and the Mafia:

Modification 1:

Anger Core -> 2-shot Roleblocker

Vanilla Townie -> Intelligence Core (Doctor)


Modification 2:

Anger Core -> Flavor Cop

Vanilla Townie -> Wheatley (Roleblocker)


Modification 3:

Turret -> 2-shot Rolestopper

Vanilla Townie -> Doug Rattmann (Watcher)


Modification 4:
Turret -> 1-shot Ninja

Vanilla Townie -> Rick, the Adventure Core (Tracker)


Modification 5:
Cave Johnson -> Cop Enabler

Vanilla Townie -> Space Core (Universal Backup)


Here's what the setup looks like when ALL the Modifications are present:
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3 Mafia:
Anger Core: Flavor Copping 2-shot Roleblocker
Turret: 2-shot Rolestopping 1-shot Ninja
Cave Johnson: Cop Enabling 1-shot Psychotrooper

10 Town:
Chell: 1-shot Commuting Innocent Child
Curiosity Core: 3-shot Alignment Cop
Rick, the Adventure Sphere: Tracker
Doug Rattmann: Watcher
Intelligence Core: Doctor
Wheatley: Roleblocker
Space Core: Universal Backup
3 Vanilla Cores

Mechanics:

- When players die, only their Flavor Name and Alignment will be revealed.
- Mafia cannot complete the factional kill and use a power in the same night.
- Rolestopping resolves before Town!Roleblocking which resolves before Mafia!Roleblocking

Role Clarifications:
- 1-shot Psychotrooper is an Active power. The night they choose to use it, the Alignment Cop will get the opposite result for their investigation (Scum instead of Town and Town instead of Scum).
- Investigative powers receive "No Result" if their action was blocked in any way.
- When the Cop Enabler dies, all Alignment Cop Investigations return "No Result"
- Flavor Cop is told their target's Flavor Name. If both are present, it is used in conjuction with Roleblocking. However, the Anger Core does not have to Roleblock when they Flavor Cop, and they can still Flavor Cop when out of Roleblocking shots.
- Ninja can be used to modify the user's Factional Kill or Rolestopping
- Rolestopping doesn't stop Kills
- The Universal Backup inherit the first Town Power Role that dies. A Town PR with 0-shots left (if they are an X-shot Role) does not count for UB inheritance. The Innocent Child's 1-shot Commuter can be inherited by the UB.

Here is the Vanilla Core PM:

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Remember before when I was talking about smelly garbage standing around being useless? That was a metaphor. I was actually talking about you.

You are a Vanilla Core. You are a useless piece of whirring machinery that can't actually do anything, including be killed by my neurotoxin. I'm frankly surprised you can even speak.

Please /confirm by replying to this message.

Town Wincon: You win once all the mafia are dead.
Mafia Wincon: You win once the mafia controls half the town, or nothing can stop this from happening.
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2016, 07:59:17 pm »

/in
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2016, 08:05:33 pm »

/comod
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2016, 08:09:48 pm »

/in

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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2016, 01:12:45 am »

I'm /in
Because i'm a potato.
Why is Wheatley good and we don't have GLADoS? :)
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2016, 01:21:18 am »

I'm /in
Because i'm a potato.
Why is Wheatley good and we don't have GLADoS? :)

Because spoilers, and because I'm GLaDOS. ;)
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2016, 01:22:20 am »

We do what we must because we can.
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2016, 01:22:44 am »

I'm gonna used plenties of quotes, guys. Sorry =)
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2016, 01:24:11 am »

I'm gonna used plenties of quotes, guys. Sorry =)
Don't worry, I will too.
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2016, 01:25:22 am »

I'm gonna used plenties of quotes, guys. Sorry =)
Don't worry, I will too.

The best of the flavors.
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2016, 05:52:42 am »

Gotta go to Spaaaaaaaaaaaace :-)
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2016, 07:29:49 am »

/tag as busy
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2016, 08:11:17 am »

i would /in except i can't find my keyboard
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2016, 08:11:28 am »

ah, found it.
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2016, 08:11:30 am »

Is this fairly newbie-friendly?
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2016, 08:13:07 am »

Look ai the people who's /in. Yes :) I am always helpful if anything, ask me what you want, I'll always be willing to answer
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2016, 08:13:46 am »

Though people always want to lynch me after that
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2016, 08:48:49 am »

Gotta go to Spaaaaaaaaaaaace :-)

Is that an /in?
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2016, 08:53:09 am »

Gotta go to Spaaaaaaaaaaaace :-)

Is that an /in?

It's currently a strongly tempted maybe :-)
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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2016, 10:09:37 am »

That's a cool ass setup
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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2016, 10:21:47 am »

/in
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2016, 10:22:14 am »

Is this fairly newbie-friendly?

I would say it is very newbie friendly.
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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2016, 10:40:06 am »

When does this game fully begin?
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2016, 10:41:02 am »

When does this game fully begin?
When signups are full
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« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2016, 10:42:29 am »

How will I know when that is?
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« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2016, 10:48:13 am »

When does this game fully begin?

Shortly after role PMs go out and everyone confirms.
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« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2016, 10:48:56 am »

Dang I got ninja'd by RR, still mine was wittier.
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« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2016, 10:50:32 am »

Dang I got ninja'd by RR, still mine was wittier.
There's a 90-93% chance you just confused him
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« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2016, 11:43:55 am »

I would in because flavor, but way too busy  :'(
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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2016, 11:56:57 am »

I would in because flavor, but way too busy  :'(

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« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2016, 11:58:15 am »

obligitory /TAG
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« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2016, 02:10:19 pm »

/in

hi! I'm a newbie here, but I've played lots of mafia URL and I think I'll be able to sort things out :)

Also, I'm acquainted with LaLight IRL and he convinced me to try. I hope I will be okay!

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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2016, 02:14:35 pm »

/in

hi! I'm a newbie here, but I've played lots of mafia URL and I think I'll be able to sort things out :)

Also, I'm acquainted with LaLight IRL and he convinced me to try. I hope I will be okay!

Thanks in advance, nice to meet you all, guys!

Make sure to make a post outside of the forum games so that you can get rid of the bot protection thing.

I really want to play this game but I don't know if I have enough time. /tag at least.

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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2016, 02:35:46 pm »

/in

hi! I'm a newbie here, but I've played lots of mafia URL and I think I'll be able to sort things out :)

Also, I'm acquainted with LaLight IRL and he convinced me to try. I hope I will be okay!

Thanks in advance, nice to meet you all, guys!

Welcome!
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« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2016, 03:31:08 pm »

Absolutely /in
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« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2016, 09:31:29 pm »

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« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2016, 09:40:57 pm »

Gotta go to Spaaaaaaaaaaaace :-)

Is that an /in?

It's currently a strongly tempted maybe :-)

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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2016, 10:28:18 am »

Gotta go to Spaaaaaaaaaaaace :-)

Is that an /in?

It's currently a strongly tempted maybe :-)

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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2016, 02:51:26 pm »

@Jake, i suppose we need at least one of ongoing games to end for people to /in.
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 5 spots left!)
« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2016, 09:38:23 pm »

/in

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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2016, 09:38:58 pm »

I'm so excited about this player list

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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 3 spots left!)
« Reply #43 on: October 10, 2016, 12:25:50 am »

Put me /in, but I won't be available until Tuesday
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 3 spots left!)
« Reply #44 on: October 10, 2016, 12:08:52 pm »

OK, /in.

Space and I will just have to not talk mafia for a few weeks.
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 3 spots left!)
« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2016, 12:10:31 pm »

Yay, 2 left!
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« Reply #46 on: October 10, 2016, 12:24:05 pm »

Only one person to go!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 3 spots left!)
« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2016, 12:24:45 pm »

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« Reply #48 on: October 10, 2016, 01:59:36 pm »

/.................tag!
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #49 on: October 10, 2016, 02:03:10 pm »

/.................tag!

:( i'd play with you
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« Reply #50 on: October 10, 2016, 02:08:06 pm »

Watch out for Lalight, everyone. He wants you to think he's


but really he's

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« Reply #51 on: October 10, 2016, 02:11:32 pm »

Watch out for Lalight, everyone. He wants you to think he's


but really he's



Without you playing they won't realise that! Come and save the town!
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« Reply #52 on: October 10, 2016, 04:32:52 pm »

The set up is all rolled and ready to begin once someone signs up!
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #53 on: October 10, 2016, 10:06:13 pm »

apparently there is gonna be a portal movie. that is not the correct medium
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« Reply #54 on: October 10, 2016, 10:06:32 pm »

and of course i'm implying that the ideal medium is themed mafia
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #55 on: October 10, 2016, 10:35:50 pm »

Regrettably, /out. Not confident I can keep up with two mafia games simultaneously along with work etc.
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
« Reply #56 on: October 11, 2016, 03:40:32 am »

There is FIVE people tagged.
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« Reply #57 on: October 11, 2016, 09:05:19 am »

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« Reply #58 on: October 11, 2016, 09:05:30 am »

/tag
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« Reply #59 on: October 11, 2016, 09:13:12 am »

/In
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« Reply #60 on: October 11, 2016, 09:13:28 am »

well that settles it.

/in
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« Reply #61 on: October 11, 2016, 09:14:50 am »

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« Reply #62 on: October 11, 2016, 09:15:15 am »

/In
duuuuuuddddeeeee....

That's beyond exciting.
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« Reply #63 on: October 11, 2016, 09:23:50 am »

I was just reminiscing about the last game Robz and I dominated quite a long time ago. It's like a family reunion.
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« Reply #64 on: October 11, 2016, 09:27:31 am »

/In

ROBZ!!!!!!!!!!

I'll start the game when I get home from work around 6:00 pm.
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« Reply #65 on: October 11, 2016, 09:53:55 am »

Yay Robz!

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« Reply #66 on: October 11, 2016, 10:04:05 am »

So... who's Robz?
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
« Reply #68 on: October 11, 2016, 10:07:17 am »

So... who's Robz?

Used to be a big time mafia player like ashersky. Up until recently was a moderator as well.

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« Reply #69 on: October 11, 2016, 10:08:18 am »

So... who's Robz?
I've seen Robz described as the heart and soul of f.ds forum mafia.  I believe they started the whole thing, or at least were instrumental in the early days.  A big deal, basically.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
« Reply #70 on: October 11, 2016, 10:17:21 am »

Yay!!!! FULL GAME!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #71 on: October 11, 2016, 10:45:55 am »

Also, he's exceptionally good at it. Like basically, we should just lynch him D1.
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« Reply #72 on: October 11, 2016, 10:49:00 am »

Also, he's exceptionally good at it. Like basically, we should just lynch him D1.

Unless I'm scum with him.

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« Reply #73 on: October 11, 2016, 10:53:08 am »

Also, he's exceptionally good at it. Like basically, we should just lynch him D1.
Urrrrr....  Good players can be good at being town too, buddy :P
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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« Reply #74 on: October 11, 2016, 11:13:05 am »

Also, he's exceptionally good at it. Like basically, we should just lynch him D1.
Urrrrr....  Good players can be good at being town too, buddy :P

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« Reply #75 on: October 11, 2016, 11:17:01 am »

Also, he's exceptionally good at it. Like basically, we should just lynch him D1.
Urrrrr....  Good players can be good at being town too, buddy :P

Okay, so you'd rather we lynch you D1, then?
You do that.
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RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
« Reply #76 on: October 11, 2016, 11:22:45 am »

oh and /tag of course
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
« Reply #77 on: October 11, 2016, 12:09:48 pm »

So... who's Robz?
I've seen Robz described as the heart and soul of f.ds forum mafia.  I believe they started the whole thing, or at least were instrumental in the early days.  A big deal, basically.

Eevee was the heart, Galzria the soul. Yuma was the brain. Ashersky remains the arms.

Me? I was the lungs.
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
« Reply #78 on: October 11, 2016, 12:32:51 pm »

Jotheonah and Frisk were like, ears and legs or something.
I guess I never considered myself one of the old guys. I'm like new old stock. I believe my first game was MVI (roman numerals FTW).
I'll claim the bald spot on top of the head as my anatomy analogy.
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
« Reply #79 on: October 11, 2016, 12:34:49 pm »

Jotheonah and Frisk were like, ears and legs or something.
I guess I never considered myself one of the old guys. I'm like new old stock. I believe my first game was MVI (roman numerals FTW).
I'll claim the bald spot on top of the head as my anatomy analogy.

I think it was Mafia 7.
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
« Reply #80 on: October 11, 2016, 12:35:52 pm »

(Admittedly, my memory has started to fade over the last five years and 80 games...)
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
« Reply #81 on: October 11, 2016, 12:37:45 pm »

(Admittedly, my memory has started to fade over the last five years and 80 games...)

Let's find all these people and make mafia 100 for the vets. It may be cool :)
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
« Reply #82 on: October 11, 2016, 12:42:17 pm »

It was MVI
I rolled Doctor for my first game, ran with my gut with a bunch of meta I didn't know and ended up playing perfectly. 19 people and 160+ pages of play, with a SK to boot. Epic first game, which included Robz.
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
« Reply #83 on: October 11, 2016, 02:43:11 pm »

/tag
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
« Reply #84 on: October 11, 2016, 03:21:48 pm »

formal declaration of excitement
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
« Reply #85 on: October 11, 2016, 03:31:26 pm »

/tag
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
« Reply #86 on: October 11, 2016, 03:36:55 pm »

/tag

if you do it a bit more often, maybe it starts to be funny!

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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
« Reply #87 on: October 11, 2016, 06:22:00 pm »

Alright, PMs are going out now! Please /confirm by PM or in your factional QT (there are no personal QTs). Night 0 starts as soon as all PMs are sent out and ends at 6:30 PM FT on Thursday, October 13th.

As a note, I will be trying to emulate GLaDOS in the flavor. This includes your PMs. Any sarcastic remarks are flavor, and flavor does not matter this game.

As an example, here is the Vanilla Core PM:

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Remember before when I was talking about smelly garbage standing around being useless? That was a metaphor. I was actually talking about you.

You are a Vanilla Core. You are a useless piece of whirring machinery that can't actually do anything, including be killed by my neurotoxin. I'm frankly surprised you can even speak.

Please /confirm by replying to this message.
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
« Reply #88 on: October 11, 2016, 06:23:15 pm »

Thread locked except for tags.
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
« Reply #89 on: October 11, 2016, 06:50:07 pm »

/tag, hoping for brilliant flavour, which is what we are going to get. Just ah... just you wait for that flavour. Anyway, it's going to be very very good. We will only get it once the game gets started though. Or when people get lynched. Or-die-in-some-other-horrib- well that... ah... that doesn't sound so good anymore, does it. But the flavour! Yes just think of the flavour, it's for the best. Probably.
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
« Reply #90 on: October 11, 2016, 11:04:40 pm »

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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
« Reply #91 on: October 12, 2016, 04:43:49 am »

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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (N0)
« Reply #92 on: October 13, 2016, 06:16:21 pm »

Hello, and welcome to the Aperture Science Computer-Aided Enrichment Center. We would just like to take a moment to thank you for volunteering to participate in this required Enrichment Center Activity: the Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative. Today, you robots will learn how to become more human-like by participating in the game the humans call Mafia. This will help teach you how to do what humans are best at, that is, betrayal, backstabbery, and murder.

You may notice that one of you is not a robot, but is, in fact, a human. That is because she is the best I know at betrayal, backstabbery, and murder. Her name is Chell, and the code name she wishes to go by so that no one knows her name is Chell, is Fargo. She is a horrible person, so you should definitely choose to lynch her.

The Initiative is about to begin. The lights will turn on in 3... 2... 1...


Day 1 start!
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (N0)
« Reply #93 on: October 13, 2016, 06:18:37 pm »

First! Vote: Jake for being scum
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vote: Spaaaaaaaaaaace cause they are universal scum
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So Fargo is an IC
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Vote Count 1.0

Not Voting (13): Roadrunner7671, silverspawn, LaLight, schadd, pingpongsam, JaketheBaseballGod22, Fargo, Calamitas, SpaceAnemone, J Reggie, Robz888, Haddock, iguanaiguana


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vote: spaceanemone.
You're still alive and now I want you gone.
...

That was exactly as fun as I hoped it would be.

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Jake (1): Roadrunner
SpaceAnemone (2): LaLight, Haddock

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Here we gohttp://
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Town Wins (4-11) 26.7% M88L, M89L, NM9L, M91L, M95L, M97L,NM10W, RMM41L, M100L, M103L, M105W, M107W, RMM45W, M109L, RMM46L

Scum Wins (2-3) 40% M87L, M94W, ZM23L, M99L, ZM24W

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Scum Wins (2-3) 40% M87L, M94W, ZM23L, M99L, ZM24W

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vote: Spaaaaaaaaaaace cause they are universal scum

That last game was a triumph :-P Scum was so much fun!

Actually... am I right in thinking that every time you've voted for me so far, you've been the scum?
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vote: spaceanemone.
You're still alive and now I want you gone.
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That was exactly as fun as I hoped it would be.

Sleep now. Night all!

I'm not even angry...
I'm being so sincere right now:
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That last thing you said in the scum QT was scummy.

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nicknames, in this order

roland ronaldo
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pong pong shyamalan
jakrias, goddess of the sport
far? go!
calm before the lamitas
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vote: Robz

That last thing you said in the scum QT was scummy.
vote: robz

because i don't like the tone that he used in the scum qt when he said to sheep you when you vote for him
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in mafia school, we call that the triple whammy
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vote: spaceanemone.
You're still alive and now I want you gone.
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That was exactly as fun as I hoped it would be.

Sleep now. Night all!

I'm not even angry...
I'm being so sincere right now:
Vote: Haddock

This is something I can get behind! Vote: Haddock
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I hope we have a doctor so IC will live more than 2 days.
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I hope forum works for now.
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vote: spaceanemone.
You're still alive and now I want you gone.
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That was exactly as fun as I hoped it would be.

Sleep now. Night all!

I'm not even angry...
I'm being so sincere right now:
Vote: Haddock

This is something I can get behind! Vote: Haddock
Ooh, PPS is in this game?  Sorry, Space, you can have my vote back later.
vote: PPS
I'm curious to see whether PPS will succeed, as in the past, in driving me a bit nuts by tunnelling me for no reason.
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RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Sorry, forum keeps going down. But we're still in RVS so it's all god
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Ooh, PPS is in this game?  Sorry, Space, you can have my vote back later.
vote: PPS
I'm curious to see whether PPS will succeed, as in the past, in driving me a bit nuts by tunnelling me for no reason.

You're seriously going to act like you didn't know I was in the game when we directly interacted before game start concerning Robz' presence and you explicitly told me to lynch you D1?

About Robz', he feels as I do D1 is pretty much a useless waste except he won't participate whereas I think it actually is worth playing D1 for later analysis.
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Ooh, PPS is in this game?  Sorry, Space, you can have my vote back later.
vote: PPS
I'm curious to see whether PPS will succeed, as in the past, in driving me a bit nuts by tunnelling me for no reason.

You're seriously going to act like you didn't know I was in the game when we directly interacted before game start concerning Robz' presence and you explicitly told me to lynch you D1?

About Robz', he feels as I do D1 is pretty much a useless waste except he won't participate whereas I think it actually is worth playing D1 for later analysis.
That was like 4 days ago.  I don't remember such things.
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RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (N0)
« Reply #115 on: October 14, 2016, 01:56:40 pm »

First! Vote: Jake for being scum
Vote: Roadrunner for being scummest
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Re: M87: Portal Mafia (N0)
« Reply #116 on: October 14, 2016, 02:25:34 pm »

First! Vote: Jake for being scum
Vote: Roadrunner for being scummest

man, it doesn't count without bolding
like vote: Roadrunner
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Let's join the fun vote: schadd
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I'm a multi-game vet! 24 games under my belt, and I'm really bad at Mafia. But I have fun, and I like to think I'm fun to play with.
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I know PPS and silverspawn from back in my day. Would be nice to get some sense of which of the rest of you are newer to this, or all of you multi-game vets?
I played m84, m85, bm24 and am currently taking part in another game.
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I think my return has short-circuited the Forums.

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I know PPS and silverspawn from back in my day. Would be nice to get some sense of which of the rest of you are newer to this, or all of you multi-game vets?

I'm a multi-game vet!  I think Jake and Fargo are the only newbies here. 

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vote: spaceanemone.
You're still alive and now I want you gone.
...

That was exactly as fun as I hoped it would be.

Sleep now. Night all!

I'm not even angry...
I'm being so sincere right now:
Vote: Haddock

This is something I can get behind! Vote: Haddock
Ooh, PPS is in this game?  Sorry, Space, you can have my vote back later.
vote: PPS
I'm curious to see whether PPS will succeed, as in the past, in driving me a bit nuts by tunnelling me for no reason.

It's okay, you can vote for scums instead!

Though with PPS, isn't it worth just waiting till D2 and seeing if he scumslips spectacularly anyway? ;-)
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I think my return has short-circuited the Forums.

In any case, nice to be back at it. For those of you who don't know me, I played in every Mafia game on this Forum, games 1 thru 50 (excepting the two that I modded). I also crafted the Civility Pledge.

I know PPS and silverspawn from back in my day. Would be nice to get some sense of which of the rest of you are newer to this, or all of you multi-game vets?

I've got 4 completed games (Olympics, BSG, Ghibli and Newbie 8) and a 50% success rate overall. I've known Haddock IRL for years, and he introduced me to f.ds mainly because I expressed interest in his BSG game... now I'm a bit hooked on forum mafia :-)

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So I've been thinking and I'm pretty sure no PRs besides the cop should claim D1. The cop shouldn't claim results until D3. If a scum PR flips, then the associated PR can and probably should claim.

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Sorry, forum keeps going down. But we're still in RVS so it's all god

That sounds like a discussion for RSP.

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Sorry, forum keeps going down. But we're still in RVS so it's all god

That sounds like a discussion for RSP.
I was reading that and I was like 'is that a joke? What is J Reggie on?' But then I was like 'Ayyyyyyy' so it's all good
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So I've been thinking and I'm pretty sure no PRs besides the cop should claim D1. The cop shouldn't claim results until D3. If a scum PR flips, then the associated PR can and probably should claim.

Vote: J Reggie
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i have completed exactly one game, m86. it was bad and we superlost
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So I've been thinking and I'm pretty sure no PRs besides the cop should claim D1. The cop shouldn't claim results until D3. If a scum PR flips, then the associated PR can and probably should claim.

Well, they should claim if L-1'ed, yes?
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Well, they should claim if L-1'ed, yes?
  i have been wondering what the idea is behind that axiom. is it that people who get to l-1 are under high suspicion, and thus the benefit afforded to the town knowing more information about the person outweighs the benefit of scum to be able to nk a pr, since they were likely to die anyway? if so then i would generally think it's less worth doing d1, because there isn't actually much suspicion, and getting to l-1 doesn't mean as much
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So I've been thinking and I'm pretty sure no PRs besides the cop should claim D1. The cop shouldn't claim results until D3. If a scum PR flips, then the associated PR can and probably should claim.

Well, they should claim if L-1'ed, yes?

I'd say in this game, no. Claiming PR basically just means you have a 50% chance of being scum, so it's better not to claim at all if you're at L-1. But obviously I am not every PR in this game so everyone should make their own educated choices.

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Well, they should claim if L-1'ed, yes?
  i have been wondering what the idea is behind that axiom. is it that people who get to l-1 are under high suspicion, and thus the benefit afforded to the town knowing more information about the person outweighs the benefit of scum to be able to nk a pr, since they were likely to die anyway? if so then i would generally think it's less worth doing d1, because there isn't actually much suspicion, and getting to l-1 doesn't mean as much

I think the idea behind that is that at L-1 is basically your last chance to prove you should be alive, so if you have a PR it's basically claim your PR or die. In that situation, claiming is usually better than being lynched. In this game, that changes. The setup is designed so that claiming a PR doesn't prove anything. That's why I'm saying town PRs shouldn't claim, as it won't help them and it will help scum.

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Obviously scum PRs should claim.

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oh, anyway, back to the intuitive
vote: j reggie
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vote: j reggie

How is that intuitive?

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How is that intuitive?
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I played 4 games, now taking part in 2 and comodding one
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oh, anyway, back to the intuitive
vote: j reggie

Oh, intuition! vote: schadd
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This is my first game but I've played mafia elsewhere and

Your vote still didn't work. Just take this as a hint that you shouldn't be voting for me  ;)
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Hi everyone!
This is my first game, I've got no experience (except real mafia of course) so you've got the most useless innocent child you've ever met  :)
according to my sixth sense i'm going to vote: silverspawn
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Hi everyone!
This is my first game, I've got no experience (except real mafia of course) so you've got the most useless innocent child you've ever met  :)
according to my sixth sense i'm going to vote: silverspawn

Actually it might be better that you're less experienced because then we won't lynch you! Anyway, welcome!

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Hi everyone!
This is my first game, I've got no experience (except real mafia of course) so you've got the most useless innocent child you've ever met  :)
according to my sixth sense i'm going to vote: silverspawn

Sheep the IC! vote:Silverspawn
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God.
vote: Silverspawn
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Sheeping the IC is scummy vote: lalight

voting me is scummy (cause I'm town obviously)! vote: JReggie
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voting me is scummy (cause I'm town obviously)! vote: JReggie
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Sheeping the IC is scummy vote: lalight

voting me is scummy (cause I'm town obviously)! vote: JReggie
how do you know you're town? is it because you know everyone's alignme- wait

Do you know it?
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Sheeping the IC is scummy vote: lalight

Sheeping the IC is scummy, so I'm going to sheep the person saying sheeping the IC is scummy.

Vote: LaLight
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claiming that sheeping the IC is scummy is scummy. vote: J Reggie

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Robz, you were asking for people's experience. 

See my signature I guess.  14/15 games.  I started at the same time as RR but somehow he's played way more games than me.  Comes of having time, I spose.
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Sheeping the IC is scummy vote: lalight

voting me is scummy (cause I'm town obviously)! vote: JReggie
how do you know you're town? is it because you know everyone's alignme- wait

Do you know it?
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Jake (1): Roadrunner
Haddock (1): SA
LaLight (2): J Reggie, Robz
PPS (1): Haddock
schadd (1): Calamitas
J Reggie (4): PPS, schadd, silverspawn, LaLight
silverspawn (1): Fargo

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With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 6:30 PM FT on Thursday, October 20th. (This may change to a couple hours earlier depending on my work schedule, which I do not yet have)

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Hi guys, I'm replacing ii. Could somone give me a rundown on what is going on?
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Hi guys, I'm replacing ii. Could somone give me a rundown on what is going on?

We're lynching J Reggie.
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Hi guys, I'm replacing ii. Could somone give me a rundown on what is going on?

We're lynching J Reggie.
Dumb idea.

How about vote: schadd
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Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?

Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
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A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
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Yep. Making sense in RVS is scummy vote: SA
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Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo
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It's not rvs. vote: calamitas

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Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo
Yep. Making sense in RVS is scummy vote: SA

It's not rvs. vote: calamitas

Not even a little bite?
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Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
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A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo

This is scummy. SA's last game is plenty proof that experience has practically nothing to do with much of anything. All it means is the less you've been seen the less meta we have on you.
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vote: pps
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Why me?
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I am innocent
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make a case for yourself. what do you have to offer to us?
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Um.... Baseball?
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Vote: Jake
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Vote: Roadrunner
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 ;D ;D ;D Finally got it ;D ;D ;D
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Vote: Roadrunner
Yay you figured out how to vote! You also figured out OMGUS
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i would say that baseball > scout + bird.


vote: roadrunner
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i would say that baseball > scout + bird.


vote: roadrunner
I thought we were out of RVS  :-\
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yes. did you not read my point of evidence?
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I thought you were roadkill
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vote: jake

baseball < roadkill
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vote: jake

baseball < roadkill
? That doesn't make sense
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it means "baseball is less than roadkill"
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I know that but roadkill is pretty much useless whereas baseball provides entertainment for billions of people so shouldn't it be baseball>roadkill
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What's going on here? vote: Jake vote: schadd vote: roadrunner rvs was over.

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What's going on here? vote: Jake vote: schadd vote: roadrunner rvs was over.
What did I do? I didn't encourage this nonsense! I asked some basic questions to Jake.
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What's going on here? vote: Jake vote: schadd vote: roadrunner rvs was over.
What did I do? I didn't encourage this nonsense! I asked some basic questions to Jake.
You brutally attacked me trying to make me into scum you scum Vote: Roadrunner
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I know you guys will think this is bull but I'm getting some seriously scummy vibes off of Jake
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Unvote
I know we won't lynch him today so I won't waste my vote. But let's see how this progresses, yes?
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Wow of course you would say that
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Unvote: Roadrunner Ill be nice as well though because I think your town so I don't want u lynched
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vote: Jake
Why?

To see how the total unknown newbie who isn't already IC reacts. It was fun.
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Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?

Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo

This is scummy. SA's last game is plenty proof that experience has practically nothing to do with much of anything. All it means is the less you've been seen the less meta we have on you.

I really wanted to make an argument a bit like that in Ghibli when I was sure Schadd was scum, but since Newbie 8 was still going on, I couldn't exactly point to it as a nice example of a newbie scum coping okay and not being super-obvious :-P
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Just to help cement PomPomSan's read on me, here's some more maybe-but-not-necessarily meta-relevant facts/conjecture.

People who know each other IRL:
1) Jake and RR
2) LL and Fargo
3) me and Haddock

People who are high-school age: RR, McGarnacle, probably Jake?

I'm reading the rest of you as twenty-something students or young professional types, except for PPS, because I think he has kids, so by default he's a grumpy forty-year-old in my head :-)
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Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?

Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo

This is scummy. SA's last game is plenty proof that experience has practically nothing to do with much of anything. All it means is the less you've been seen the less meta we have on you.
Ugh.  I'm tossing up here.  First I was just gonna say that this is PPS's usual bullshit. 
Then I thought maybe he's right, this kind of forced-helpful listmaking early on can be scummy.
Then I thought, wait, no I don't agree with that at all, that's always been a crap argument.  It's particularly rubbish when applied to Space.
So yeah, this is a crap argument.
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Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?

Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo

This is scummy. SA's last game is plenty proof that experience has practically nothing to do with much of anything. All it means is the less you've been seen the less meta we have on you.
Ugh.  I'm tossing up here.  First I was just gonna say that this is PPS's usual bullshit. 
Then I thought maybe he's right, this kind of forced-helpful listmaking early on can be scummy.
Then I thought, wait, no I don't agree with that at all, that's always been a crap argument.  It's particularly rubbish when applied to Space.
So yeah, this is a crap argument.

Agreed. I've made thousands helpful hints in Newbies Mafia and everyone thought i'm scum, especially PPS (who was scum)
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Vote: Roadrunner

Okay, do any of the vets here know if accusing the one who accuses you is scummy?
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Vote: Roadrunner

Okay, do any of the vets here know if accusing the one who accuses you is scummy?

I'm no vet, but afaik this is called OMGUS and not indicative at all.
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You've done many crazy voting while I've been slleping. What's the vote count?
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Vote: Roadrunner

Okay, do any of the vets here know if accusing the one who accuses you is scummy?

They usually call it OMGUS (the "US" bit is "you suck").

Early in the game voting for someone who votes you is no biggie, because we're just watching what wagons form more easily than what other wagons, and who interacts with whom. Haddock and I voting for each other was somewhat analogous to saying hi. The only people who have to be super-selfconscious in D1 are the scums, since they need to worry about looking like natural town, talking enough, not scumslipping and not making it super-obvious who each other are by forgetting to be suspicious of their partners and stuff.

Erm, that said, if you're a PR, it's quite a good idea to watch what you say and not to get outed early on, before you've had a chance to gather information or make use of your night-time abilities. People who didn't follow NM8, we knew from D1 that McGarnacle was one of the two town PRs, which rather helped out PPS and me as the scums :-P
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Just to help cement PomPomSan's read on me, here's some more maybe-but-not-necessarily meta-relevant facts/conjecture.

People who know each other IRL:
1) Jake and RR
2) LL and Fargo
3) me and Haddock

People who are high-school age: RR, McGarnacle, probably Jake?

I'm reading the rest of you as twenty-something students or young professional types, except for PPS, because I think he has kids, so by default he's a grumpy forty-year-old in my head :-)
I'm 16 and in my final school year ;)
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I'm 16 and in my final school year ;)

Wait, you're in both the "highschool" bucket and yet also the "non-native speaker whose English is functional enough not to cause problems" bucket at the same time? That's impressive :-)
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I'm 16 and in my final school year ;)

Wait, you're in both the "highschool" bucket and yet also the "non-native speaker whose English is functional enough not to cause problems" bucket at the same time? That's impressive :-)
Haha thanks :D
Though I still like my vote on you :P
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Haha thanks :D
Though I still like my vote on you :P

Oops, that wasn't me trying to buddy you up.. I'd just forgotten you hated me :-(

LaLight is right.. we need another vote count! I'll do an unofficial one later if nobody else gets in first, but right now I need to buy cheesecloth and teeny tiny power cells before all the shops round here shut...
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I'm 38 thank you very much.
There's what I say and then what I do. People tend to react far more to the former which is why I say those things. What I do has far more bearing on my role and alignment, however.
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I think this is town from SA. Keep in mind they were pretty much actilurking D1 in NM8.

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There's what I say and then what I do. People tend to react far more to the former which is why I say those things. What I do has far more bearing on my role and alignment, however.
"i made a kind of silly argument against sa that would also apply to like everyone else. but i didn't act on it, so you guys can't scumread me on it"
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I'm reading the rest of you as twenty-something students or young professional types
yes definitely one of those i am
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oh, that said, i would also tend to agree with pps here, except for the fact that like nothing has happened and that sort of categorical stuff is intuitively nice
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Yeah I like the categorization
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Just to help cement PomPomSan's read on me, here's some more maybe-but-not-necessarily meta-relevant facts/conjecture.

People who know each other IRL:
1) Jake and RR
2) LL and Fargo
3) me and Haddock

People who are high-school age: RR, McGarnacle, probably Jake?

I'm reading the rest of you as twenty-something students or young professional types, except for PPS, because I think he has kids, so by default he's a grumpy forty-year-old in my head :-)

That's very helpful, thank you. I'm 28, which is probably old by forum standards now.
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Remember that if someone's a good player, their scum game and town game look very similar. So voting someone because they're good and they look towny isn't really helpful.

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Remember that if someone's a good player, their scum game and town game look very similar. So voting someone because they're good and they look towny isn't really helpful.
Why would you vote for someone because they're good and look towny?
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Remember that if someone's a good player, their scum game and town game look very similar. So voting someone because they're good and they look towny isn't really helpful.
Why would you vote for someone because they're good and look towny?

Or looked like that's what PPS was trying to do with SpaceAnemone.

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Remember that if someone's a good player, their scum game and town game look very similar. So voting someone because they're good and they look towny isn't really helpful.

I mean, the reasoning doesn't work there, I don't think. And even very good scum have a hard time mirroring their town selves. Also, a player might behave wildly different as a vanilla townie than they would as a town PR.
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Vote Count 1.3

Jake (1): SA
LaLight (1): Robz
schadd (1): Haddock
J Reggie (3): PPS, silverspawn, LaLight
silverspawn (1): Fargo
SA (1): Calamitas
RR (1): J Reggie
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vote: j reggie i guess
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Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.

Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.

Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd
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Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.

Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.

Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd

It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.

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Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.

Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.

Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd

It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.

It's also hard not to treat you as a partner. I must get used to it. You also can be scum, though your posts in this game are really different from Ghibli, so I will treat you as my town-partner. For now.
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Lalight seems to me rather fussy. Though he might be a townie who is testing the reaction of other players, he had revoted three times. vote: Lalight
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Lalight seems to me rather fussy. Though he might be a townie who is testing the reaction of other players, he had revoted three times. vote: Lalight

And that is my meta actually, nice to meet you! I always try to push the game through.
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Remember that if someone's a good player, their scum game and town game look very similar. So voting someone because they're good and they look towny isn't really helpful.
Why would you vote for someone because they're good and look towny?

Or looked like that's what PPS was trying to do with SpaceAnemone.

What I say and what I do. Different things, remember? Show me where I voted SA...
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Remember that if someone's a good player, their scum game and town game look very similar. So voting someone because they're good and they look towny isn't really helpful.
Why would you vote for someone because they're good and look towny?

Or looked like that's what PPS was trying to do with SpaceAnemone.

What I say and what I do. Different things, remember? Show me where I voted SA...
see, the thing that generally makes one 'scummy' is if something they do in this thread (voting, producing arguments) might cause an innocent person to be lynched. the thing that you said gives that impression to me: attempting to get other people to vote someone without wanting to seem like the one who started the wagon. are you suggesting that we not pay any attention to the things that you say? if so, you will generally not be helpful to have around
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Definitely pay attention to what I say. What SA did looked scummy to me. Looking scummy doesn't mean you are scum. Pointing it out creates discussion which is far more helpful than the RVS and demographics 80% of the game has been to date. I'm voting where I feel most confident there is scum. There's not much else I can say about that in the meantime.

I feel you, though, schadd, when several players start voting you your best option, as scum, is to start pitching better options than yourself.
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Will catch up soon.
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Okay, do any of the vets here know if accusing the one who accuses you is scummy?

Asking that is a fallacy.

People really need to get out of this mindset that there is some kind of objective "towny" behavior and some objective "scummy" behavior and that it is proper or polite and better for everyone when you ask about things beforehand to make sure you don't act "scummy" because that would somehow hurt town's chances. Or that some people play "scummy" but that doesn't mean they are scum because "scummy" is how they usually play. Maybe playing "towny" would be a scum tell for them then, yes? Let's stop there.

Scummy, as in scum-y means "indicative of scum," which means P(Posting|Scum) > P(Posting|Town), or in terms of natural language: you are more likely to post that thing as scum than you are as town. Exactly then is it scummy, and the same thing applies for town-y, only the other way.

Now clearly, this depends on the player. Therefore, nothing is "scummy" in general. There are only things which happen to be things that scum (mostly new scum) does more often than town. For those things, you can hope that they are scummy for someone based on that, but it's just a guess. Maybe you're wrong and they aren't.

If you accuse someone who accused you and you are town then it's probably towny for you. If people scumread you for things you do as town, it means that they are wrong about what is scummy for you, not that you did scummy things as town. This is always true. Even if you play a certain way as scum and then play a second game almost exactly the same way even though you're town and you get lynched for it, it is still the rest of the players who are wrong and you who is right. Whether it is your or their fault is a different question, and in that case it is probably yours.

You could try to research what is more often towny or scummy before you post to avoid town having to guess since they don't know better, but I advise that you don't, because as soon as you do, you prove that you are explicitly aware of it and then it almost certainly becomes null anyway. In fact doing that is anti-town for this reason; it makes what could otherwise have been a tell into a null thing, thereby making it harder for others to read your alignment (which is good for you if you are scum, bad for you if you are town, and bad for town in any case). Just go ahead and do stuff and hope town figures it out.

Everyone who read this will from now on earn scum points whenever he asks whether something is scummy before doing it.

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Scum Reads: J Reggie, vote: J Reggie
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[...] voting someone because [...] they look towny isn't really helpful.

Looking scummy doesn't mean you are scum.

These are some of the ways in which the term is being violated.

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Vote: Roadrunner

Okay, do any of the vets here know if accusing the one who accuses you is scummy?

Asking that is a fallacy.

People really need to get out of this mindset that there is some kind of objective "towny" behavior and some objective "scummy" behavior and that it is proper or polite and better for everyone when you ask about things beforehand to make sure you don't act "scummy" because that would somehow hurt town's chances. Or that some people play "scummy" but that doesn't mean they are scum because "scummy" is how they usually play. Maybe playing "towny" would be a scum tell for them then, yes? Let's stop there.

Scummy, as in scum-y means "indicative of scum," which means P(Posting|Scum) > P(Posting|Town), or in terms of natural language: you are more likely to post that thing as scum than you are as town. Exactly then is it scummy, and the same thing applies for town-y, only the other way.

Now clearly, this depends on the player. Therefore, nothing is "scummy" in general. There are only things which happen to be things that scum (mostly new scum) does more often than town. For those things, you can hope that they are scummy for someone based on that, but it's just a guess. Maybe you're wrong and they aren't.

If you accuse someone who accused you and you are town then it's probably towny for you. If people scumread you for things you do as town, it means that they are wrong about what is scummy for you, not that you did scummy things as town. This is always true. Even if you play a certain way as scum and then play a second game almost exactly the same way even though you're town and you get lynched for it, it is still the rest of the players who are wrong and you who is right. Whether it is your or their fault is a different question, and in that case it is probably yours.

You could try to research what is more often towny or scummy before you post to avoid town having to guess since they don't know better, but I advise that you don't, because as soon as you do, you prove that you are explicitly aware of it and then it almost certainly becomes null anyway. In fact doing that is anti-town for this reason; it makes what could otherwise have been a tell into a null thing, thereby making it harder for others to read your alignment (which is good for you if you are scum, bad for you if you are town, and bad for town in any case). Just go ahead and do stuff and hope town figures it out.

Everyone who read this will from now on earn scum points whenever he asks whether something is scummy before doing it.
Thank you for that! :)
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Definitely pay attention to what I say. What SA did looked scummy to me. Looking scummy doesn't mean you are scum. Pointing it out creates discussion which is far more helpful than the RVS and demographics 80% of the game has been to date. I'm voting where I feel most confident there is scum. There's not much else I can say about that in the meantime.

I feel you, though, schadd, when several players start voting you your best option, as scum, is to start pitching better options than yourself.
well, voting is helpful for town if for no other reason than it makes it easier to find your opinions when we reread, or to be able to get more information from vote count posts—and well from, my limited experience, those can be more revealing than the thread as a whole, like how a line of best fit is better than a scatter plot. my other point of evidence is that silverspawn and faust, who are Good Players, voted a lot day 1 last game.


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Everyone who read this will from now on earn scum points whenever he asks whether something is scummy before doing it.
i'm excited to maybe have a full game with you
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-snip-

I mostly agree, but there has to be some kind of meta for us to go off of. If not then lynching a newbie would always be wrong (absent an investigative result) and playing a game would require reading every one of every player's games. So yeah, I don't think it's entirely wrong to say "this person has done scummy things but that doesn't mean they're scum". It's just usually unproductive.

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To me it looks like silverspawn is trying to target J Reggie but I haven't read everything so can someone tell me if J Reggie did something wrong
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Town Wins (4-11) 26.7% M88L, M89L, NM9L, M91L, M95L, M97L,NM10W, RMM41L, M100L, M103L, M105W, M107W, RMM45W, M109L, RMM46L

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vote: JReggie for lack of a better choice.
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vote: JReggie for lack of a better choice.

L-2 again
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Schadd is a better choice for me actually.
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Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.

Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.

Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd

It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.

It's also hard not to treat you as a partner. I must get used to it. You also can be scum, though your posts in this game are really different from Ghibli, so I will treat you as my town-partner. For now.

I find this to be a weird post, mostly because I don't think I've ever experienced this difficulty, though I think I've said that I've been feeling this way--as scum--to explain away some odd interaction with a player as having to do with a previous game where we were scum together.

So I will leave my vote where it is.
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Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.

Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.

Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd

It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.

It's also hard not to treat you as a partner. I must get used to it. You also can be scum, though your posts in this game are really different from Ghibli, so I will treat you as my town-partner. For now.

I find this to be a weird post, mostly because I don't think I've ever experienced this difficulty, though I think I've said that I've been feeling this way--as scum--to explain away some odd interaction with a player as having to do with a previous game where we were scum together.

So I will leave my vote where it is.

Well, actually this was my first scum-game and one of the first games overall and it lasted very long so I just want to mention that I should stop feeling like he's my partner and look at his messages the other way.
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Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.

Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.

Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd

It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.

It's also hard not to treat you as a partner. I must get used to it. You also can be scum, though your posts in this game are really different from Ghibli, so I will treat you as my town-partner. For now.

I find this to be a weird post, mostly because I don't think I've ever experienced this difficulty, though I think I've said that I've been feeling this way--as scum--to explain away some odd interaction with a player as having to do with a previous game where we were scum together.

So I will leave my vote where it is.

Yeah, I also thought that was a weird post. Like why would he be feeling like he was my partner if he wasn't scum? But also why would he just go out there and say that as scum?
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Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.

Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.

Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd

It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.

It's also hard not to treat you as a partner. I must get used to it. You also can be scum, though your posts in this game are really different from Ghibli, so I will treat you as my town-partner. For now.

I find this to be a weird post, mostly because I don't think I've ever experienced this difficulty, though I think I've said that I've been feeling this way--as scum--to explain away some odd interaction with a player as having to do with a previous game where we were scum together.

So I will leave my vote where it is.

Yeah, I also thought that was a weird post. Like why would he be feeling like he was my partner if he wasn't scum? But also why would he just go out there and say that as scum?
Let's vote: lalight.

Oh, really? Nice joining to the wagon :) vote: JReggie
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That's L-1 I believe.

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Wait no ss was already voting me. Still, it's L-2. Like, is my new meta just to get a huge wagon D1?

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Wait no ss was already voting me. Still, it's L-2. Like, is my new meta just to get a huge wagon D1?

The best thing for scum is to get a huge wagon on Day 1. Early wagons die, and then that person is often deemed "already vetted."

The worst thing for scum is to draw little notice until later days. My old saying was, on Day 3, lynch whomever hasn't had a wagon yet.
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I have a thought.
I think the scum is not on my wagon. Because ic voted me. So when i flip town it will be less people to choose from. So they are either not voting or on JReggie. In this case i want to unvote cause imo you vote for two townies. Tell me, if this is wrong
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Wait no ss was already voting me. Still, it's L-2. Like, is my new meta just to get a huge wagon D1?

The best thing for scum is to get a huge wagon on Day 1. Early wagons die, and then that person is often deemed "already vetted."

The worst thing for scum is to draw little notice until later days. My old saying was, on Day 3, lynch whomever hasn't had a wagon yet.

Well that's not particularly reassuring, but I'll remember that next time I'm scum.

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Just reread, pretty much null on anyone. I hate D1 :D
Though my gut tells me vote: haddock
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Vote: silverspawn I just have a gut feeling your scum

And this is the thing I don't like. Too many gut feelings actually. Looks like he just tries to mimic the other's behavior right in this post.

Vote: JTBG22
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Vote: silverspawn I just have a gut feeling your scum

And this is the thing I don't like. Too many gut feelings actually. Looks like he just tries to mimic the other's behavior right in this post.

Vote: JTBG22

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Yeah, it feels kind of forced. Though I don't see why it should be scum indicative.
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I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.
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I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.

Did you feel that way before I started the wagon, or only after?
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I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.

Did you feel that way before I started the wagon, or only after?
Before, but I didn't want to say anything. Want me to point out the certain post?
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I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.

Did you feel that way before I started the wagon, or only after?
Before, but I didn't want to say anything. Want me to point out the certain post?

Go for it! :-)
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To me it looks like silverspawn is trying to target J Reggie but I haven't read everything so can someone tell me if J Reggie did something wrong
Well this is completely wrong, since silver was just doing his usual thing of taking a stance (town on silver, btw, but then I always townread silver.  Also, @silver, are you tunneling anyone yet?  Semi-serious question.).  I'm not sure I like this from Jake, but he's new.  Not gonna take too much off it.

vote: JReggie for lack of a better choice.
Eww.  We've never played before McGarnacle, correct?  Either way, this is not good; voting someone "for lack of a better choice" this early in D1 is just lazy.

Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.

Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.

Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd

It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.

It's also hard not to treat you as a partner. I must get used to it. You also can be scum, though your posts in this game are really different from Ghibli, so I will treat you as my town-partner. For now.

I find this to be a weird post, mostly because I don't think I've ever experienced this difficulty, though I think I've said that I've been feeling this way--as scum--to explain away some odd interaction with a player as having to do with a previous game where we were scum together.

So I will leave my vote where it is.

Yeah, I also thought that was a weird post. Like why would he be feeling like he was my partner if he wasn't scum? But also why would he just go out there and say that as scum?
Let's vote: lalight.
Nyerp.  This feels a bit forced.  I find myself kind of understanding the J Reggie wagon, while not really fully agreeing with it.  Reggie's done some odd things and I don't remember him being this odd.  I just don't like big quick wagons happening so early.  I hate D1.

Just throwing this out there, but what do people think are the chances that this is Lalight and Reggie constructing something?

I have a thought.
I think the scum is not on my wagon. Because ic voted me. So when i flip town it will be less people to choose from. So they are either not voting or on JReggie. In this case i want to unvote cause imo you vote for two townies. Tell me, if this is wrong
This is weak and overexplained.  Not really a thing, either.  I don't think scum are going to worry that much about PoE this early.  It's all about how naturally you can find your way onto wagons.  Maybe inexperienced scum think this way?  But then inexperienced scum don't really think of PoE that much at all.

I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.
Town on RR.  This makes just the right amount of sense.  That is to say, a little but not much.
Also the bad attempts at being sneaky ring like town!RR.

I want to hear more from Space (I know, I've barely posted, hypocrisy hypocrisy).  Not that I actually think I can read them better than anyone else, but I want to get a feel for forum!Space by comparison to IRL!Space.


Current scum reads are Jake and Lalight, prefer Lalight today mostly since they're more experienced.
vote: Lalight

PPE.  Oh Space there you are! 
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So it was this. Since we're a bunch of stupid kids we do stuff like taking people's stuff then being like 'no, you must've dropped it!' Jake is notorious for using that line with a goofy smirk on his face, I think it's become like an instinct to him, so he just naturally posted that.
So you know what? Vote: Jake
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i mean, if that's real, then that's pretty incriminating, although it might just be a nod more than anything. and also i wouldn't put it past rr to make something like that up.


jake, what say you?
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oh also i guess it's sort of dependent on whether he's played mafia before. his introduction post made it sound like he did
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I have a thought.
I think the scum is not on my wagon. Because ic voted me. So when i flip town it will be less people to choose from. So they are either not voting or on JReggie. In this case i want to unvote cause imo you vote for two townies. Tell me, if this is wrong
This is weak and overexplained.  Not really a thing, either.  I don't think scum are going to worry that much about PoE this early.  It's all about how naturally you can find your way onto wagons.  Maybe inexperienced scum think this way?  But then inexperienced scum don't really think of PoE that much at all.

Well. I've never played with IC before, I just put my mind into this to think if this impacts on the game in some way. God, I hate D1 too because there's not really strong evidence and somehow every my post just summons bunch of votes. I try to think differently. That is all.
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Nyerp.  This feels a bit forced.  I find myself kind of understanding the J Reggie wagon, while not really fully agreeing with it.  Reggie's done some odd things and I don't remember him being this odd.  I just don't like big quick wagons happening so early.  I hate D1.
I don't get a scummy vibe from the stuff LL is saying about finding his situation with J Reggie odd. I mean, PPS is here, and I've only ever encountered him before as a scumbuddy in NM8, and I'm town now, so I can see this coming from town!LL. However, I've learned that he's also really good at getting into a townie headspace when scum, so it's kind of null overall.

Just throwing this out there, but what do people think are the chances that this is Lalight and Reggie constructing something?
Probably worth keeping in mind. I mean, JR seems townie enough (I almost always townread him, unfortunately), but he's yet to insist he's IC in this game, so maybe that's something to worry about?

This is weak and overexplained.  Not really a thing, either.  I don't think scum are going to worry that much about PoE this early.  It's all about how naturally you can find your way onto wagons.  Maybe inexperienced scum think this way?  But then inexperienced scum don't really think of PoE that much at all.
It's certainly something that people at my/LL's level of experience will worry about other people doing shortly after we've each played our first scum games. But yeah, I wouldn't discount an experienced player just because they're voting for the same person as the IC here.

I want to hear more from Space (I know, I've barely posted, hypocrisy hypocrisy).  Not that I actually think I can read them better than anyone else, but I want to get a feel for forum!Space by comparison to IRL!Space.
We are all Space :-)


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Yeah.. I'm not going to do my usual thing of jumping in to say how townie LL is, because he's smart enough to have had me fooled for a while in Ghibli, and I think him voting me earlier may have been a scumtell. But even as scum, he's going to say a bunch of town-useful stuff because of his helpful nature, so I think he's an odd pick for a D1 lynch.

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oh also i guess it's sort of dependent on whether he's played mafia before. his introduction post made it sound like he did
He's played something similar to mafia but it wasn't as sophisticated, smart, strategic or as organized as it is on this forum.
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aight.


  rude roaster: definitely trying!to!get!jake!into!the!game!rr. his other posts have been sorta detectivey so he's good
  silverspleen: he is posting loudly, as ever. i'm sure other people are reading this in their respective ways, but he seems fine to me
  lah light: the only game i've seen for him was a scumgame. and well, he doesn't look that different, but he didn't look especially bad in that game either. suffice to say, there'll be a couple things that i'm gonna look for.
  pongpongpong: his split personality thing seems bad but uh reasonable; saying stuff is part of the fun of the game either way and it's nice to be able to do it without incriminating yourself. but, i mean, consider it in the context that he also tends to scumslip, apparently (i skimmed time loops). mild scum
  jake the baseball god twenty two: has seemed, like, not too good. i think he ought to be able to get a footing before we tear into him, though.
  fargoat: go nuts, dude! say things to test people, put em on the spot. nothing you say can go wrong.
  calamities: hasn't really said much of note. null
  space and moon: bit of a gut townread, although i suppose that's not how townreads are supposed to be. a bit more playful d1 than in ghibli, though.
  j regular: see lalight, except, uh, i had a somewhat strong scumread on this guy. i am concerned that he just sounds like that, but in ghibli, he got a big wagon that fizzled and i didn't suspect it hard enough. i guess this applies to lalight as well.
  roob zed ate: i uh definitely believe that he's an experienced player. has dropped a couple pieces of towny wisdom, which is nice.
  hammork: testing people (ooh, one of them is me!) which is nice. mild town. excited to see how he meshes with the anemone (and all of the pairs of people that know each other)
  mcgarnacular spectacular: dunno. can you post, like, 7 things one after another so we can get a sense of character?


i was gonna go back to voting j reggie (again) but i don't think he needs any push to say incriminating stuff. so let's try
vote: lalight


i think scum!gkrieg still gives good formatting advice. thanks bud
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I hope I'm not hammered. Request: vote count
And please, stop this nonsense.
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Just because I'm townie and I was townie in Ghibli and there I was scum you gonna lynch me.
Wow.
This is beyond any sense. Look into any of 5 games I've played. I just try to think differently and do something fun and helpful. I can't understand people voting me out of the nowhere. Okay, lynch me, whatever. Just give me time to claim before hammering please.
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Vote Count 1.4

Jake (4): SA, LaLight, McG, RR
LaLight (5): Robz, Fargo, J Reggie, Haddock, schadd (L-2)
J Reggie (2): PPS, silverspawn
Haddock (1): Calamitas
silverspawn (1): Jake

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Just because I'm townie and I was townie in Ghibli
i don't think i said that, exactly
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aight.


  rude roaster: definitely trying!to!get!jake!into!the!game!rr. his other posts have been sorta detectivey so he's good
  silverspleen: he is posting loudly, as ever. i'm sure other people are reading this in their respective ways, but he seems fine to me
  lah light: the only game i've seen for him was a scumgame. and well, he doesn't look that different, but he didn't look especially bad in that game either. suffice to say, there'll be a couple things that i'm gonna look for.
  pongpongpong: his split personality thing seems bad but uh reasonable; saying stuff is part of the fun of the game either way and it's nice to be able to do it without incriminating yourself. but, i mean, consider it in the context that he also tends to scumslip, apparently (i skimmed time loops). mild scum
  jake the baseball god twenty two: has seemed, like, not too good. i think he ought to be able to get a footing before we tear into him, though.
  fargoat: go nuts, dude! say things to test people, put em on the spot. nothing you say can go wrong.
  calamities: hasn't really said much of note. null
  space and moon: bit of a gut townread, although i suppose that's not how townreads are supposed to be. a bit more playful d1 than in ghibli, though.
  j regular: see lalight, except, uh, i had a somewhat strong scumread on this guy. i am concerned that he just sounds like that, but in ghibli, he got a big wagon that fizzled and i didn't suspect it hard enough. i guess this applies to lalight as well.
  roob zed ate: i uh definitely believe that he's an experienced player. has dropped a couple pieces of towny wisdom, which is nice.
  hammork: testing people (ooh, one of them is me!) which is nice. mild town. excited to see how he meshes with the anemone (and all of the pairs of people that know each other)
  mcgarnacular spectacular: dunno. can you post, like, 7 things one after another so we can get a sense of character?


i was gonna go back to voting j reggie (again) but i don't think he needs any push to say incriminating stuff. so let's try
vote: lalight


i think scum!gkrieg still gives good formatting advice. thanks bud

Why are you voting me?
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imagine i'm you:
Lalight seems to me rather fussy. Though he might be a townie who is testing the reaction of other players, he had revoted three times. vote: Lalight
And that is my meta actually, nice to meet you! I always try to push the game through.
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@silver, are you tunneling anyone yet?  Semi-serious question.).
sort-of JReggie

Just throwing this out there, but what do people think are the chances that this is Lalight and Reggie constructing something?
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Tell ya'll what. Imma hammer whoever gets to L-1. I love me some hammers.
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Tell ya'll what. Imma hammer whoever gets to L-1. I love me some hammers.

I mean except J Reggie cause I can't hammer him if I'm already voting him.
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Tell ya'll what. Imma hammer whoever gets to L-1. I love me some hammers.

That seems anti-town...

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Tell ya'll what. Imma hammer whoever gets to L-1. I love me some hammers.

That seems anti-town...

Maybe. These wagon run ups with no real intent are annoying. Besides I could be offline so it's like Russian roulette if someone goes L-1.

The question you have to ask is whether scum!PPS is just going to hammer Willy nilly like that.
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Also, if it hits scum was it anti town?
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Also, also, the rule applies to myself as well.
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Also, also, the rule applies to myself as well.

And that is definitely anti town so case closed. Good job, you're a genius.
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Also, also, the rule applies to myself as well.

And that is definitely anti town so case closed. Good job, you're a genius.
how 'bout i'll hammer for you, then
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i think that attitude is kinda not so bad, it really just says that he's okay about the current wagons. although, uh, not giving whoever a chance to whatever would be kinda rude and stuff. but let's play the game where pps said not to necessarily trust what he says
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i think that attitude is kinda not so bad, it really just says that he's okay about the current wagons. although, uh, not giving whoever a chance to whatever would be kinda rude and stuff. but let's play the game where pps said not to necessarily trust what he says

Really I am fine with anybody dying today. The current wagon is largely BS smoke and mirrors though so I'm calling the bluff. And from this point forward I expect real wagons to develop cause I'm collecting a hammer today unless y'all orchestrate it so I'm not around to do it.

This is now public knowledge so you can't say I didn't give so and so a chance to claim or whatever because taking a guy to L-1 today is as good as pulling the noose yourself.
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Also, if it hits scum was it anti town?
yes.

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let's see if that principle applies to you vote: PPS

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let's see if that principle applies to you vote: PPS
i'm excited!
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let's see if that principle applies to you vote: PPS
i'm excited!

Me too, this is what I live for!
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let's see if that principle applies to you vote: PPS

Already said it did, but feel free to test me. You think scum can help themselves?
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I don't like this. People should claim.vote: PPS
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And guys, I'm really sorry if i sounded angry/offensive in some way. Don't wanna be lynched D1 :(
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You still can, but nothing useful will come out of it.
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Just because I'm townie and I was townie in Ghibli and there I was scum you gonna lynch me.
Wow.
This is beyond any sense. Look into any of 5 games I've played. I just try to think differently and do something fun and helpful. I can't understand people voting me out of the nowhere. Okay, lynch me, whatever. Just give me time to claim before hammering please.
I come down on the side of this being frustrated town rather than caught-for-the-wrong-reasons scum, but it's actually close run thing.  Need to think for a bit.

Meantime, PPS is being PPS.  Completely null.
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And guys, I'm really sorry if i sounded angry/offensive in some way. Don't wanna be lynched D1 :(

You were posting at 8pm forum time, which is about 3am for you, right? I'm writing that off as a reason to sound stressed all on its own.
And then posting again at 2am forum time, so 9am for you. You know sleep is actually your friend, friend :-)
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And guys, I'm really sorry if i sounded angry/offensive in some way. Don't wanna be lynched D1 :(

You were posting at 8pm forum time, which is about 3am for you, right? I'm writing that off as a reason to sound stressed all on its own.
And then posting again at 2am forum time, so 9am for you. You know sleep is actually your friend, friend :-)

Was watching series and then just couldn't not to write a post :)
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I don't like this. People should claim.vote: PPS

There's nothing preventing claims at L-2, we already covered this, get with the program.
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Just because I'm townie and I was townie in Ghibli and there I was scum you gonna lynch me.
Wow.
This is beyond any sense. Look into any of 5 games I've played. I just try to think differently and do something fun and helpful. I can't understand people voting me out of the nowhere. Okay, lynch me, whatever. Just give me time to claim before hammering please.
I come down on the side of this being frustrated town rather than caught-for-the-wrong-reasons scum, but it's actually close run thing.  Need to think for a bit.

Meantime, PPS is being PPS.  Completely null.

You think scum will commit to potentially lynching one of their own up to including themselves on D1? You think scum would draw this much negative attention outright? The only scum narrative here would be a Hail Mary to save LaLight, my partner. What a dumb play, if you ask me.

This is an obvious not null thing. I'm mystified that you could think it null.
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You think scum will commit to potentially lynching one of their own up to including themselves on D1? You think scum would draw this much negative attention outright?

I honestly wouldn't put it past you :-) You're an experienced player known for doing bold stuff, after all!

I do think you're missing the key aspect of the anti-town-ness of your proposed play, though, which is that you're hiding a lot more information about yourself by essentially promising not to act at all. We can't evaluate your voting choices as independent, possibly-alignment-indicative events if you make up a simple deterministic rule, broadcast that, and then refuse to budge from it.
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You think scum will commit to potentially lynching one of their own up to including themselves on D1? You think scum would draw this much negative attention outright?

I honestly wouldn't put it past you :-) You're an experienced player known for doing bold stuff, after all!

I do think you're missing the key aspect of the anti-town-ness of your proposed play, though, which is that you're hiding a lot more information about yourself by essentially promising not to act at all. We can't evaluate your voting choices as independent, possibly-alignment-indicative events if you make up a simple deterministic rule, broadcast that, and then refuse to budge from it.
Well put.

Also, PPS, you do stuff like this every game.  I believe you're more than capable of emulating that meta.  I think you're aware that people expect this kind of stuff from you.  So yes.  It could well be either scum you or town you.  Hence, null. 
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vote: Jake

No longer such a fan of the LaLight wagon.
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unvote: silverspawn you can lynch me but i'm just trying to figure out who is mafia and who isnt
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and why Robz
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and RR I don't do that IRL
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and RR I don't do that IRL
What? That's a blatant lie!
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No!!!
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I was questioning my vote but now I'm not. To me, you've sealed your fate.
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I was questioning my vote but now I'm not. To me, you've sealed your fate.
What have I done to make you guys hate me???
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I was questioning my vote but now I'm not. To me, you've sealed your fate.
What have I done to make you guys hate me???

No-one hates you man. Someone just thinks you're scum in this game :)
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WHYYYYY??????
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I don't have time to throw together my case, but just reread a bit Jake.
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I don't have time to throw together my case, but just reread a bit Jake.
I did I still don't understand RR explain your case
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After reading through some old games I have realized that at this point i'm probably dead anyway with 6 votes on me so i'm just gonna tell my role and let you guys decide if it will benefit anyone to lynch a vanilla townie
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You think scum will commit to potentially lynching one of their own up to including themselves on D1? You think scum would draw this much negative attention outright?

I honestly wouldn't put it past you :-) You're an experienced player known for doing bold stuff, after all!

I do think you're missing the key aspect of the anti-town-ness of your proposed play, though, which is that you're hiding a lot more information about yourself by essentially promising not to act at all. We can't evaluate your voting choices as independent, possibly-alignment-indicative events if you make up a simple deterministic rule, broadcast that, and then refuse to budge from it.

Fair point, but it's just D1; not the whole game. But fair point; very astute you are.
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You think scum will commit to potentially lynching one of their own up to including themselves on D1? You think scum would draw this much negative attention outright?

I honestly wouldn't put it past you :-) You're an experienced player known for doing bold stuff, after all!

I do think you're missing the key aspect of the anti-town-ness of your proposed play, though, which is that you're hiding a lot more information about yourself by essentially promising not to act at all. We can't evaluate your voting choices as independent, possibly-alignment-indicative events if you make up a simple deterministic rule, broadcast that, and then refuse to budge from it.
Well put.

Also, PPS, you do stuff like this every game.  I believe you're more than capable of emulating that meta.  I think you're aware that people expect this kind of stuff from you.  So yes.  It could well be either scum you or town you.  Hence, null.

You right, you right. Still, this is pretty dumb scum play. At least way dumber than as town.
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Still, this is pretty dumb scum play. At least way dumber than as town.
the statement disproves itself
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Still, this is pretty dumb scum play. At least way dumber than as town.
the statement disproves itself

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I assume the implication I am scum? Otherwise I don't follow. This here plan of mine may not be brilliant but it is extra dumb if I am actually scum. Reason is I am cornering myself into potentially lynching myself or a partner. Also, nobody likes this and as scum I want to be likable.

Bur I'm not scum so it's only kinda dumb and hell, I like to keep things interesting and this is doing it for today.
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That smiley autogenerated on me. I didn't know 3 question marks in a row triggered it.
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well, anything that seems clumsy as scum will in turn give you townpoints, especially if you point it out.
but i mean the thing that you're doing doesn't actually have any net effect, it's just like saying one only needs 6 votes instead of 7. it is pro-town if the person targeted by whatever the wagon is will tend to be scum, but there isn't strong reason to assume that (and the thing that you're doing makes it less likely yet, since there is less time to iron the details out)
  the reason that "cornering yourself into hammering a partner" doesn't make sense is that you're also cornering yourself into hammering a town. and well, since you're the one arbitrating, ultimately, if you're scum, you can choose to go back on yourself if your partner is targeted (i can imagine the post now; "i told you guys not to trust what i say"), but go through with it if it's a town ("i said i was gonna do it. it's your own fault").


so yeah, vote pps
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I don't like the idea of lynching Jake D1 based on something RR tells us. Pps is definitely just weird!PPS, but I don't like how he's insisting this is more dumb as scum so he must be town. Like yeah but it's not gonna help you win.

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well, anything that seems clumsy as scum will in turn give you townpoints, especially if you point it out.
but i mean the thing that you're doing doesn't actually have any net effect, it's just like saying one only needs 6 votes instead of 7. it is pro-town if the person targeted by whatever the wagon is will tend to be scum, but there isn't strong reason to assume that (and the thing that you're doing makes it less likely yet, since there is less time to iron the details out)
  the reason that "cornering yourself into hammering a partner" doesn't make sense is that you're also cornering yourself into hammering a town. and well, since you're the one arbitrating, ultimately, if you're scum, you can choose to go back on yourself if your partner is targeted (i can imagine the post now; "i told you guys not to trust what i say"), but go through with it if it's a town ("i said i was gonna do it. it's your own fault").


so yeah, vote pps

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thanks, vote: pps

Right, so you are the scum who can't help himself.
what?
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thanks, vote: pps

Right, so you are the scum who can't help himself.
what?

Scum can't ignore trying to mislynch me because they can claim I was acting sooo anti-town despite it being D1 and largely irrelevant.
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I don't really like the LaLight wagon. Jake seems to play kind of cautious, but I think newbies generally tend to do that. Probably still Jake>LaLight, though I won't vote for him now.
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thanks, vote: pps

Right, so you are the scum who can't help himself.
what?

Scum can't ignore trying to mislynch me because they can claim I was acting sooo anti-town despite it being D1 and largely irrelevant.
i mean, should i let you do things that are bad? that thing that you definitely said is bad for town. which is what people lynch people for
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After reading through some old games I have realized that at this point i'm probably dead anyway with 6 votes on me so i'm just gonna tell my role and let you guys decide if it will benefit anyone to lynch a vanilla townie

Seems to me like he would claim a PR if he really wanted to save himself, instead of claiming vanilla townie.

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Getting a strong town vibe from PPS.
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See, I thought just the opposite. I usually claim VT as scum because setups are hard to read and I don't wanna mess up my fake claim
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See, I thought just the opposite. I usually claim VT as scum because setups are hard to read and I don't wanna mess up my fake claim
This is addressed to McGarnacle
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vote: RR

You tunnel Jake too hard imo.
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vote: RR

You tunnel Jake too hard imo.
Scum!me never tunnels, ever.
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vote: RR

You tunnel Jake too hard imo.
Scum!me never tunnels, ever.

And that's why now scum!you are doing this?
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vote: RR

You tunnel Jake too hard imo.
Scum!me never tunnels, ever.

And that's why now scum!you are doing this?
Oh yeah, I change my playstyle every single game!
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After reading through some old games I have realized that at this point i'm probably dead anyway with 6 votes on me so i'm just gonna tell my role and let you guys decide if it will benefit anyone to lynch a vanilla townie

Seems to me like he would claim a PR if he really wanted to save himself, instead of claiming vanilla townie.

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Claiming a PR would be awful and anti town. The thing is, his response seemed a little to conscious for a towny. I don't know his character, but generally speaking newb!townies (at least in my model of them) are more likely to sound like "Man, I'm really just a vanilla towny, it doesn't make sense to lynch me" and not "Since I'm likely to get lynched I will benefit town by telling my role and let them make decision based on that". But this might be way off, need rr to elaborate on Jakes character for that.
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I'm really competitive so I was really mad that I was getting lynched D-1 so I maybe made that message to harsh
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baseball for life, man.


yeah, i don't really think doubting people for, like, the (un-)noobiness of what they say is reliable. or, rather, that's not the thing that feels weird to me about jake. the sense i'm getting is that he already knows a bunch of the language (just from experience) but there is a faint tang of, like, quintuple-wifom, like, he's clearly attempting to say stuff in a 'towny' way but it also sort of explicitly sounds like he's trying to say stuff in a 'towny' way, etc. i am willing to believe that he is a god, not only of baseball.
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I bless upon thy soul of schadd that he liveth in peace and prosperity  ;D ;D ;D
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Unofficial Vote Count

Jake (3): SA, RR, Robz
LaLight (3): Fargo, J Reggie, Haddock
J Reggie (1): PPS
Haddock (1): Calamitas
PPS (2): silverspawn, schadd
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Not Voting (2): Jake, McG

So Jake's not even got that much of a wagon for someone who's so worried about being lynched at this point in a D1. But he's new, and I remember being super-nervous about that sort of thing to start with. So maybe that's a bit null. I need to do more re-reads, but right now I mostly need to go to bed. Just thought I'd post my interim vote count in case it saves anyone else a bit of time :-)
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Thanks for the vote count SA
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that's just his way of saying "you're welcome"
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Why SS?
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as a baseball, I think you should be bouncing between walls until you confess your scuminess.

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One I'm not scum two baseballs don't bounce
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One I'm not scum two baseballs don't bounce
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As someone who plays baseball, I can verify this.
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well then I will unvote of course.

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vote: Jake
Sorry man, that's only because you're scum
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That's L-2, which is effectively L-1.

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That's L-2, which is effectively L-1.
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Who is watching...
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 :-\ :-\ :-\ I'm pretty sure i'm dead :-\ :-\ :-\
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:-\ :-\ :-\ I'm pretty sure i'm dead :-\ :-\ :-\
Do something useful and maybe not. Who do you think is town? Who do you think is scum? Why? What can you bring to the table?
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I think Lalight and Silverspawn are scum but i'm not sure since this is my first game and I think Robz might be scum to based on his responses. I think that  RR and Haddock and schadd are confirmed town because they have done nothing scummy and if i'm not lynched I hope that I can help the town find the scum and hopefully lynch them.
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Jake sounds a little too confident here, but man I really do not like lynching a newbie D1.

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Jake sounds a little too confident here, but man I really do not like lynching a newbie D1.

That's because you and schadd are scum and if Jake isn't the third partner this hurts your chances of staying concealed. Scum team called before close of D1; meta remains intact.
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Jake sounds a little too confident here, but man I really do not like lynching a newbie D1.

He's still hedging by pointing out it's his first game.

@Jake, what do you think of the other players you didn't mention in your reads there?
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PPS looks like hes being targeted by schadd by i'm pretty sure that schadd is town and PPS is town so i think its just miscommunication between town J Reggie is kind of suspicious to me but not sure about him and i'm pretty sure that SA is town. Fargo doesn't talk so idk calamitas is alright but i'm not sure about him and McGranacle is probably town   
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Fargo is confirmed town by the moderator  :P
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Many assumptions even though there is too little to work with. Though not really alignment indicative probably.
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Fargo is good then sorry Fargo didn't know
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PPS looks like hes being targeted by schadd by i'm pretty sure that schadd is town and PPS is town so i think its just miscommunication between town J Reggie is kind of suspicious to me but not sure about him and i'm pretty sure that SA is town. Fargo doesn't talk so idk calamitas is alright but i'm not sure about him and McGranacle is probably town

I'd say this is scummy except that forgetting who the IC is is pretty towny. Do you think he could have been coached by partners about this?

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Also Fargo needs to post more. Being an IC doesn't mean you get to be inactive.

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PPS looks like hes being targeted by schadd by i'm pretty sure that schadd is town and PPS is town so i think its just miscommunication between town J Reggie is kind of suspicious to me but not sure about him and i'm pretty sure that SA is town. Fargo doesn't talk so idk calamitas is alright but i'm not sure about him and McGranacle is probably town

I'd say this is scummy except that forgetting who the IC is is pretty towny. Do you think he could have been coached by partners about this?
Hmm, he could. But I don't think they would have said something like "just make bad hypotheses and forget important facts when under pressure". So it is probably intuitive.
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Also Fargo needs to post more. Being an IC doesn't mean you get to be inactive.
Yep, he is the one that can attack and test without risking himself.
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Jake sounds a little too confident here, but man I really do not like lynching a newbie D1.
I don't like lynching a newbie D1 either.
Also essentially everything Jake has done recently could be seen as a newbie flailing under pressure.  Either alignment possible.  He's done a few traditionally scummy things, but the case is pretty weak really.

Lalight did something opportunistic that I didn't like, I'll see if I can fish it out. 

Not sure I like RR's response to the Jake thing.  I think town!RR might be more inclined to look after his newbie friend.

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forgetting who the IC is is pretty towny
I think that's a myth.

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Forgettingor mmissingthe IC is a pretty big town tell.
 
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forgetting who the IC is is pretty towny
I think that's a myth.

Why so?
Because it is too gameable I would guess.
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Jake sounds a little too confident here, but man I really do not like lynching a newbie D1.
I don't like lynching a newbie D1 either.
Also essentially everything Jake has done recently could be seen as a newbie flailing under pressure.  Either alignment possible.  He's done a few traditionally scummy things, but the case is pretty weak really.

Lalight did something opportunistic that I didn't like, I'll see if I can fish it out. 

Not sure I like RR's response to the Jake thing.  I think town!RR might be more inclined to look after his newbie friend.
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Because of the nunmerous times I've forgotten it as scum

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Thanks for the belief in me silverspawn I never could have done anything without your support. :P :P :P :D :D ;D
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Feel pretty good about Vote: RR
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unvote: Jake

I think a newbie town player is much more likely to forget who the IC is than a newbie scum player.
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unvote: Jake

I think a newbie town player is much more likely to forget who the IC is than a newbie scum player.
Not to rip into Jake but I don't think he knew Fargo was an IC in the first place  :P
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unvote: Jake

I think a newbie town player is much more likely to forget who the IC is than a newbie scum player.
Not to rip into Jake but I don't think he knew Fargo was an IC in the first place  :P

Agreed. Think scum would have tho. 
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unvote: Jake

I think a newbie town player is much more likely to forget who the IC is than a newbie scum player.
Not to rip into Jake but I don't think he knew Fargo was an IC in the first place  :P

Agreed. Think scum would have tho.
Not necessarily, the IC was only named after N0 and the post wasn't that clear. Could easily see a newbie don't getting it, totally independent from alignment.
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unvote: Jake

I think a newbie town player is much more likely to forget who the IC is than a newbie scum player.
Not to rip into Jake but I don't think he knew Fargo was an IC in the first place  :P

Agreed. Think scum would have tho.
Not necessarily, the IC was only named after N0 and the post wasn't that clear. Could easily see a newbie don't getting it, totally independent from alignment.

Agreed. Think scum would have tho. 
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Also Fargo needs to post more. Being an IC doesn't mean you get to be inactive.
I'm so sorry for not being active at all, just have a week of exams and it sucks
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Also Fargo needs to post more. Being an IC doesn't mean you get to be inactive.
I'm so sorry for not being active at all, just have a week of exams and it sucks
will post more if i live through several nights
You're not gonna live through several nights  :-\
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I'm more than sure that scums are going to lynch me as soon as they can, so if Jake was scum he would know i am IC
that's my point
I also feel like silverspawn is scummy, just kind of feeling based on the second voting when schadd, silverspawn and lalight were trying to accuse J Reggie groundlessly
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Also Fargo needs to post more. Being an IC doesn't mean you get to be inactive.
I'm so sorry for not being active at all, just have a week of exams and it sucks
will post more if i live through several nights
You're not gonna live through several nights  :-\

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I kinda want to vote RR but he's way too easy to mislynch, I think I want to leave him for the day and give us more time to get a grasp on what's going on with him.

Lalight hasn't really done anything since I last looked, so I'm still happy with my vote there for now.

When's deadline?  Soonish, right?

Silver still seems towny to me but he always does, anyone who's capable of reading silver please speak up.

Jake remains lynchable except giving newbies a D1 is usually good.

Whatever happened to the J Reggie wagon?  I think I could consider getting on board with that if it became a thing again.
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I kinda want to vote RR but he's way too easy to mislynch, I think I want to leave him for the day and give us more time to get a grasp on what's going on with him.

Lalight hasn't really done anything since I last looked, so I'm still happy with my vote there for now.

When's deadline?  Soonish, right?

Silver still seems towny to me but he always does, anyone who's capable of reading silver please speak up.

Jake remains lynchable except giving newbies a D1 is usually good.

Whatever happened to the J Reggie wagon?  I think I could consider getting on board with that if it became a thing again.

LL has been quiet across the board, so I'm less worried than I would be. Though that excuse isn't helping my efforts to stop townreading him by default.

Deadline is 9pm forum time tonight, so after (sensible) bedtime for most of us this of the Atlantic. (2am tomorrow for us, 3am for the Germans, 4am for the Russians). I may or may not be sensible :-)

I think I wouldn't be unhappy switching to RR from Jake. At least if it's a mislynch, it encourages the newbie more :-) But proper scumhunting would be better.
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I don't have particularly strong reads on anyone.
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So I'm basically willing to lynch anyone but fargo if necessary, weak preference for a few over others.
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Okay, read-list time!

1) RR. For the first in a long time I see him being town here (which may be a sign). Though tunneling Jake seems really hard.
2) Silverspawn. and again, for the first in a long time seems scummy. This is a strange feeling, in every game so far I strongly townread him and I never have been mistaken so far. Need to sort it out later, not much content from him.
3) Lalight - I think everything this guy posted was townie so he's 100% townie. Also I like him and his sense of humour.
4) Schadd - As usual, quite a strange guy, though more on the townie side.
5) PPS - null and null, can't read him at all, though don't like his posts.
6) Jake - I'll be /in to lynch him, but not in D1 (i remember myself playing first game and praying not to be lynched).
7) Fargo - hi.
8) Calamitas - seems scummy as usual. Need more content from him, now he's just commenting other players (that's what we're here for I assume though). Slight scum.
9) Spacey - looks townie now but they're dangerous, people, look out!
10) JReggie - looks townie this time, also his wagon was way too fast.
11) Robz - looks like kind townie. will look later.
12) Haddock - nothing really to say. null.
13) McGarnacle - behaves differently from Newbie Mafia, so slightly scummy.

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Unvote I haven't exactly been getting towny vibes from Jake, but I do think that if he's scum we'll figure it out for sure on D2 or so.
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RR - doesn't seem like usual town self good chance of scum here
SS - doesn't seem like usual town or does he? Would lynch.
LL - Seems out of meta somewhat. Would lynch.
Schadd - least want to lynch over self.
PPS - made that commitment so would lynch if forced. Otherwise IC. Confused why not obvtown to everyone.
Jake - seems towny enough. Hope we don't lynch.
Fargo - let's not lynch the IC
Calamities - always scummy, would lynch
SA - too smart for their own good will lynch today
JR - obvscum please lynch
Robz - typical noncommittal D1. Inscrutable. Not contributory so not taking chances. Happy to lynch here.
Haddock - would relish a lynch here
McGrabass - seems quieter than usual probably least informative flip. Would lynch.
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PPS what did that accomplish?  :P
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You have 3 votes
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For everyone I ment
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RR - doesn't seem like usual town self good chance of scum here
SS - doesn't seem like usual town or does he? Would lynch.
LL - Seems out of meta somewhat. Would lynch.
Schadd - least want to lynch over self.
PPS - made that commitment so would lynch if forced. Otherwise IC. Confused why not obvtown to everyone.
Jake - seems towny enough. Hope we don't lynch.
Fargo - let's not lynch the IC
Calamities - always scummy, would lynch
SA - too smart for their own good will lynch today
JR - obvscum please lynch
Robz - typical noncommittal D1. Inscrutable. Not contributory so not taking chances. Happy to lynch here.
Haddock - would relish a lynch here
McGrabass - seems quieter than usual probably least informative flip. Would lynch.
Now this is the kinda thing I can get my teeth into.

RR - he never seems like his usual self.  I could lynch him but he's just SO easy to mislynch.
SS - eh.  I always townread silver.  Not making a decision here today.
LL - welp, there's something up with Lalight, I agree.  I get the impression people aren't massively excited about his lynch though.
schadd - interesting, you're townreading him?  I guess I haven't paid that much attention to schadd tbh.  I spose I hadn't really considered him lynchable come to think of it.
PPS - ha.  ha.
Jake - Dont agree that he's particularly towny.  This could be newbie town flailing.  I lean towards it being such.  But it could also be newbie scum flailing - admittedly seems less likely to me.
Fargo - well yep
Calamitas - I'm not scumreading Calamitas.  Then again I'm not sure I've ever actually played a game with Calamitas where I was town before.
SA - Terrible reason to lynch someone.  I'm hedging hard on Space.  They could still well be scum, they're a very good scum player.  Definitely want more days to decide here.
JR - also could lynch.
Robz - want alive because it's Robz, why wouldn't we want to play with Robz 4eva&4eva?
Haddock - you would always relish my lynch.  This isn't news to anyone.  One day you'll wrangle it, worry not old pal.
McGarnacle - agreed about info and also would lynch.  Has McGarnacle been this lurky previously?  Admittedly replacing is hard, but not THAT hard, D1.
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PPS what did that accomplish?  :P

Confirms I would lynch anywhere, that it is, in fact D1, and that I have some weak reads here and there.
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Unofficial Vote Count

Jake (3): SA, silverspawn, LaLight
LaLight (3): Fargo, J Reggie, Haddock
Haddock (1): Calamitas
PPS (1): schadd
RR (1): PPS

Not Voting (4): Jake, McG, Robz, RR

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 9:00 PM FT on Thursday, October 20th. (Or so said the mod last time he posted a vote count).
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Also, in reading back through things, schadd and Calamitas look way too similar, to the extent that I think I'm sometimes reading one as they other. The problem is that I'm a very visual person, and they need pictures.

For C'lamitas, I propose this: https://66.media.tumblr.com/avatar_1b52df9f2fa3_128.png

And for schadd, I propose this: https://thewalrus.ca/assets/img/OwningOurPrivilege-600x450.jpg which I accept makes little sense, but it's kind of a shed, and the domain name amused me for reasons.

Anyway, schadd and Calamitas, please stop being the same person :-)
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i might have to crop it though, later
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oh my golly my gosh this is like my new favorite picture
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Here we go:

Roadrunner7671 I'm not lynching RR D1 again unless he scumslips hard or something.
silverspawn not much useful content. A good D1 lynch.
LaLight something made me think he was scum. I think he feels a lot like he did in ghibli.
schadd hard to read as always. Maybe more likely to be scum, but I don't have any completed games with him where I was town.
pingpongsam more likely town because of his stunt, but he hasn't had to "prove his commitment" yet.
JaketheBaseballGod22 weird and hard to read. Another good reason not to lynch newbies D1 besides not getting the hang of things is because one has no idea how to read them
Fargo if it was every right to lynch an IC it would be Fargo. But I won't go that far (see what I did there?)
mail-mi the mod. Wouldn't lynch.
Calamitas can't find anything of note from him. Would lynch.
SpaceAnenome scary as scum. Would lynch if the opportunity presented itself. Although maybe they'll follow my pattern and be extremely good in their first scum game and fall apart after that.
J Reggie IC. Wouldn't lynch.
Robz888 nearly nothing useful, which is a shame. I was looking forward to playing with Robz.
Haddock a good player. He out-towned me after being conf!scum. Would Lynch.
McGarnacle nothing of note. Seems different from NM so quite possibly scum. He's flying under the radar more. But then again he did nearly get lynched D1 there so he has a reason to try something different. Not sure.

A lot of would lynches, but at least this tells me something.

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Here we go:

Roadrunner7671 I'm not lynching RR D1 again unless he scumslips hard or something.
silverspawn not much useful content. A good D1 lynch.
LaLight something made me think he was scum. I think he feels a lot like he did in ghibli.
schadd hard to read as always. Maybe more likely to be scum, but I don't have any completed games with him where I was town.
pingpongsam more likely town because of his stunt, but he hasn't had to "prove his commitment" yet.
JaketheBaseballGod22 weird and hard to read. Another good reason not to lynch newbies D1 besides not getting the hang of things is because one has no idea how to read them
Fargo if it was every right to lynch an IC it would be Fargo. But I won't go that far (see what I did there?)
mail-mi the mod. Wouldn't lynch.
Calamitas can't find anything of note from him. Would lynch.
SpaceAnenome scary as scum. Would lynch if the opportunity presented itself. Although maybe they'll follow my pattern and be extremely good in their first scum game and fall apart after that.
J Reggie IC. Wouldn't lynch.
Robz888 nearly nothing useful, which is a shame. I was looking forward to playing with Robz.
Haddock a good player. He out-towned me after being conf!scum. Would Lynch.
McGarnacle nothing of note. Seems different from NM so quite possibly scum. He's flying under the radar more. But then again he did nearly get lynched D1 there so he has a reason to try something different. Not sure.

A lot of would lynches, but at least this tells me something.
Will respond to everything else later, but bolded part:
a) LOL.  That was a hilarious thing.  I still have no idea how I wrangled that.  faust being SK helped.
b) I WANT THAT SCUM MVP!  Totally could have done it in Rewind.  Or in Switch.  You stole it from me in Fruit Ninja by being epic.  Git.  Alas, not to be this game either.   
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.
Say what you like about the meltdowns, they do the trick.  #NeverBeenLynchedInANormalGame.
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"Maybe you have never met humans? They are as bad as you might think, smelly, gross, annoying, often wanting to try and kill you. But they do make great test subjects." - GLaDOS

Vote Count 1.5

Jake (3): SpaceAnemone, silverspawn, LaLight
LaLight (3): Fargo, J Reggie, Haddock
Haddock (1): Calamitas
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Sad to say this, but the day is over in 6 hours if I'm not mistaken? I'm going to sleep soon, so vote: McGarnacle as the scummiest one I think
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I will be around to hammer at 9pm whatever y'all decide, i mean unless it's RR or JR. I'll be happy to kick either off (already on RR).
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of the current votes:
  jake: uff. at the very least, his posts seem, like, scripted. but so much so that i don't think it could actually be coaching or whatever. so, null
  lalight: i'm sort of leaning town on him, now, and at the very least i have a point of comparison for him. so, in the long term, i think i'll be better able to figure him out than the others. i guess you could say that his alignment will come to (la)light
  haddock: i guess i don't see it. and apparently, interesting stuff happens once the wagon forms and there isn't enough time to do that.
  pps: i mean, he's still my highest read. his thing is the only thing that has happened so far that strikes me as definitely beneficial as a scum. but, well, people seem to be content to brush that off as a pps thing (be forewarned) and at the very least we can not believe him if he turns back on a hammer.
  rr: he was not very active in ghibli mafia, and it seems like he'll be hard for me to read regardless. i don't think the difference in activity is alignment-indicative (he was busy, and now he's not afaik) but he's been tunneling jake the whole day in a sort of chummy way which seems like a very easy way to not have to worry about lying or saying anything sketchy or whatever. also, well, lynching him will be pretty revealing of jake's alignment i think.


  i think mcgarnacle, robz, and lately ss have been floating under the radar a lot. but, mcgarnacle's situation is a little odd, with the whole switcharoo, and sorta not alignment-indicative (and i would feel weird about lynching for it anyway). still, get in the game. and then the other two, well, i can imagine being tired of D1s after a while. also i think everyone wants them to not die, myself included.


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of the current votes:
  jake: uff. at the very least, his posts seem, like, scripted. but so much so that i don't think it could actually be coaching or whatever. so, null
  lalight: i'm sort of leaning town on him, now, and at the very least i have a point of comparison for him. so, in the long term, i think i'll be better able to figure him out than the others. i guess you could say that his alignment will come to (la)light
  haddock: i guess i don't see it. and apparently, interesting stuff happens once the wagon forms and there isn't enough time to do that.
  pps: i mean, he's still my highest read. his thing is the only thing that has happened so far that strikes me as definitely beneficial as a scum. but, well, people seem to be content to brush that off as a pps thing (be forewarned) and at the very least we can not believe him if he turns back on a hammer.
  rr: he was not very active in ghibli mafia, and it seems like he'll be hard for me to read regardless. i don't think the difference in activity is alignment-indicative (he was busy, and now he's not afaik) but he's been tunneling jake the whole day in a sort of chummy way which seems like a very easy way to not have to worry about lying or saying anything sketchy or whatever. also, well, lynching him will be pretty revealing of jake's alignment i think.


  i think mcgarnacle, robz, and lately ss have been floating under the radar a lot. but, mcgarnacle's situation is a little odd, with the whole switcharoo, and sorta not alignment-indicative (and i would feel weird about lynching for it anyway). still, get in the game. and then the other two, well, i can imagine being tired of D1s after a while. also i think everyone wants them to not die, myself included.


vote: rr
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Clarification: At first I was 'tunneling' Jake to get him engaged and involved, but then I found his reactions to that scummy. So I kept tunneling him until my confidence sort of waned.
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also note that McG came into the game the moment Scum QT was already closed. it can explain why he is silent

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If we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.
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If we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.

wrong pool, man. and not only because of me, but because of D1 pass.
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If we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.

wrong pool, man. and not only because of me, but because of D1 pass.
I like D1 passes but I don't live and die by them
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If we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.

wrong pool, man. and not only because of me, but because of D1 pass.
Only pool we have due to the current vote count. Everything beyond is unrealistic
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I don't want to lynch Jake D1 even if he's scum.

Sorry, t's just meta. I want him to be satisfied with the game and live to D2 at least.

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if the lynchpool is two of us, I agree to be hammered.
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my confidence sort of waned.


I was questioning my vote but now I'm not. To me, you've sealed your fate.
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but the best case is not to lynch out of us. Let's look onto other guys.

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my confidence sort of waned.


I was questioning my vote but now I'm not. To me, you've sealed your fate.
I know. My confidence waned. Went away. Bye bye
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If we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.

wrong pool, man. and not only because of me, but because of D1 pass.
Only pool we have due to the current vote count. Everything beyond is unrealistic

Or we could quick-lynch our strongest PR 10 minutes before the deadline without giving them the chance to claim, Sherlock style. But let's not.

I don't want to lynch Jake D1 even if he's scum.

Sorry, t's just meta. I want him to be satisfied with the game and live to D2 at least.

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if the lynchpool is two of us, I agree to be hammered.

Not sure what to think of this.

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I don't want to lynch Jake D1 even if he's scum.

Sorry, t's just meta. I want him to be satisfied with the game and live to D2 at least.

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vote: LaLight then, can do so for yourself if you want to. Lynching someone improves our situation by a large amount, avoiding to lynch anyone is just suboptimal play and reduces towns chance of winning. Playing for the satisfaction of newbies in such a scenario is insane, especially since this isn't a newbie game but a regular one.
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Like, is everyone just happy to die here?

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if the lynchpool is two of us, I agree to be hammered.

Not sure what to think of this.
Pretty alignment unindicative I think. Maybe a little towny.
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I'm sticking with my vote.
And if the alternative is a no lynch?
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I'm sticking with my vote.
And if the alternative is a no lynch?

Let's not let that happen.

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Like, is everyone just happy to die here?

no, I am not. I just can not understand why if Calamitas said there's 2 options we should listen to this.
vote: Calamitas
I won't change it.
Believe me please and don't lynch me nor Jake.
I'm just trying to be nice. This is all.

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Will be online for about two hours, deadline is at 2am in my timezone :/
Will lock my vote onto the player with most votes on.
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Like, is everyone just happy to die here?

no, I am not. I just can not understand why if Calamitas said there's 2 options we should listen to this.
vote: Calamitas
I won't change it.
Believe me please and don't lynch me nor Jake.
I'm just trying to be nice. This is all.

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You are being insane. Do you really believe 6 guys are going to show up within <5 hours and will vote me? If you do so, you are pretty confident. The way this game has been going I wouldn't expect that to happen though.
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Yeah LaLight that's not the best idea. Or towniest idea
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Like, is everyone just happy to die here?

no, I am not. I just can not understand why if Calamitas said there's 2 options we should listen to this.
vote: Calamitas
I won't change it.
Believe me please and don't lynch me nor Jake.
I'm just trying to be nice. This is all.

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You are being insane. Do you really believe 6 guys are going to show up within <5 hours and will vote me? If you do so, you are pretty confident. The way this game has been going I wouldn't expect that to happen though.

look. We have time now. I'm gonna sleep in 1-2 hours. I will wait because there IS a probability they will show up.

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I don't wanna to be lynched so Vote: LaLight
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I don't wanna to be lynched so Vote: LaLight

nice, thank you, man.
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Sorry but it's me or you and I don't want to die nothing personal
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Sorry but it's me or you and I don't want to die nothing personal
Yeah, with that attitude it will be you or LaLight.  :(
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Sorry but it's me or you and I don't want to die nothing personal

This
Is
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Just
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So.

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choosing between townie behaviour and polite behaviour
Let me think
I'm good where i am.
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Like, is everyone just happy to die here?

no, I am not. I just can not understand why if Calamitas said there's 2 options we should listen to this.
vote: Calamitas
I won't change it.
Believe me please and don't lynch me nor Jake.
I'm just trying to be nice. This is all.

ppe: 2
You are being insane. Do you really believe 6 guys are going to show up within <5 hours and will vote me? If you do so, you are pretty confident. The way this game has been going I wouldn't expect that to happen though.

look. We have time now. I'm gonna sleep in 1-2 hours. I will wait because there IS a probability they will show up.

ppe: 1
Did you ever hear something about probability theory? There IS a probability that my neighbour is a secret vampire, though I'm not going to make decisions based on that ;)
The question is whether the probability of me getting lynched is high enough to outweigh the probability that no lynch occurs because your vote has been placed on me instead of a much likelier target.
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also note that McG came into the game the moment Scum QT was already closed. it can explain why he is silent

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i was thinking something along those lines, too. but that seems like something with a large chance of being wrong, and also, well, if it isn't, then i would rather uh give him a chance to talk to his friendos


So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.
uh, i would say lynch with impunity (more or less) is worse than no lynch. that said, not voting is pretty much inexcusable


You forgot me in your analysis
yeah. you're kinda town (short and dense posts), sa is kinda town (a slightly more confident version of ghibli), j reggie is uh null, same situation as lalight for me


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Vote Count 1.6

Jake (2): SpaceAnemone, silverspawn
LaLight (5): Fargo, J Reggie, Haddock, Calamitas, Jake {L-2}
RR (2): PPS, schadd
Calamitas (1): LaLight

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Lynching someone is better than no lynch, even if the final votes aren't going to give that much info. We get a flip, can analyse attacks based on that etc. And we have a chance to actually hit scum.
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I am not scum.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
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I am not scum.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
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I am not scum.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.

Whatever, man.
It's a game after all, not psychologically social training
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my confidence sort of waned.


I was questioning my vote but now I'm not. To me, you've sealed your fate.
I know. My confidence waned. Went away. Bye bye
oh, no, i understood you. understanding what people say isn't the big thing in mafia. if you had a true, personal scumread on someone like you said you did, i would think that's a pretty big deal.


don't cite 'calamitas said we had to' as a reason to vote. lynching someone while less than everyone is voting would be dumb, and we still have a bit of time. if you agree with lynch for the sake of a lynch, at least wait a couple hours
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The thing is a couple of hours might be too late since a good portion of us is living in Europe. Silver, LaLight, Space, Haddock and I do certainly, don't know too much about the others.
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I am not scum.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
Whatever, man.
It's a game after all, not psychologically social training
If your not scum give us your case of why we should not lynch you
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I am not scum.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
Whatever, man.
It's a game after all, not psychologically social training
If your not scum give us your case of why we should not lynch you
Prove that you are town
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I am not scum.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
Whatever, man.
It's a game after all, not psychologically social training
If your not scum give us your case of why we should not lynch you
Prove that you are town

Actually if i was scum i would be silent and lurky. But i try to help town here, I try to say things for you so you will choose someone who is scum, and it's not me.
I'm town because I try to influence the game, to help.
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The thing is a couple of hours might be too late since a good portion of us is living in Europe. Silver, LaLight, Space, Haddock and I do certainly, don't know too much about the others.
i mean, you are all voting already. but i guess there isn't a way to lynch someone while everyone can do something about it, and i can't tell people not to sleep ofc
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Just testing if this is working again.
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I think your town so for nowUnVote: LaLight
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But that does not excuse you from my suspicion that you are scum
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@LaLight: Being active/helpful isn't alignment indicative. Playing similar to town is the most important part of scum play and lurking wouldn't fit your town meta at all. So I'm pretty sure you would play like that with either alignment.
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@LaLight: Being active/helpful isn't alignment indicative. Playing similar to town is the most important part of scum play and lurking wouldn't fit your town meta at all. So I'm pretty sure you would play like that with either alignment.

But I'd be lurker from the start for first.
For second I could just go to sleep (or just shut up pretending I go to sleep)
But now I try to help. I really-really try. No one is just active here.
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But that does not excuse you from my suspicion that you are scum
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@LaLight: Being active/helpful isn't alignment indicative. Playing similar to town is the most important part of scum play and lurking wouldn't fit your town meta at all. So I'm pretty sure you would play like that with either alignment.

But I'd be lurker from the start for first.
For second I could just go to sleep (or just shut up pretending I go to sleep)
But now I try to help. I really-really try. No one is just active here.
But i see that behavior coming from scum!LaLight just as well as town!LaLight (maybe a little more in case of the former, but not to a significant extent). What I don't like about your play here is the flip-floppiness on Jake.
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@LaLight: Being active/helpful isn't alignment indicative. Playing similar to town is the most important part of scum play and lurking wouldn't fit your town meta at all. So I'm pretty sure you would play like that with either alignment.

But I'd be lurker from the start for first.
For second I could just go to sleep (or just shut up pretending I go to sleep)
But now I try to help. I really-really try. No one is just active here.
But i see that behavior coming from scum!LaLight just as well as town!LaLight (maybe a little more in case of the former, but not to a significant extent). What I don't like about your play here is the flip-floppiness on Jake.

this is not a flip-floppiness.
I try to be both townie and nice. I was into latter, but then I thought that this is a game after all, and Jake is /in in another game already so I can vote him and be townie.
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You just said you try to act townie. Do you really expect us you would do any different as scum (e.g. lurking)?
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You just said you try to act townie. Do you really expect us you would do any different as scum (e.g. lurking)?

Okay. Prove my towniness to you becomes a part of my meta, we're like cop-partners :)
To the case: the only huge proof is claiming my role.
The other things that I do is try to prove this by words. You can always not believe me. But you can believe. I'm not a scum here
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Vote: Calamitas

I like this lynch the best, didn't like his recent behavior and very much think LaLight is town now. Though will have to change if there's no time. Need to do a bit of re-reading, will post more in a minute.
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Vote: Calamitas

I like this lynch the best, didn't like his recent behavior and very much think LaLight is town now. Though will have to change if there's no time. Need to do a bit of re-reading, will post more in a minute.

God you changed the avatar. It's nice!
Thanks for supporting. I appreciate this.
vote: Calamitas
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sure.


vote: calamitas

i would say that i suspect pps and rr most, about the same amount, and calamitas a little bit less (i wasn't lying before, but yeah this last part has seemed a bit sketch). all 3 of these are better than no lynch for me, though, thus i will vote wherever a vote matters the most (which is to say, if any of these three get momentum)
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Ok Vote: calamitas
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that's 5 votes on you i think. again, i would advise against a hammer until the last minute
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Dependent on the situation, I'm going to vote myself when I go to bed. And don't treat that as particular scummy or towny, I probably would have said that with either alignment.
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Dependent on the situation, I'm going to vote myself when I go to bed. And don't treat that as particular scummy or towny, I probably would have said that with either alignment.
welcome to the pps and rr tier
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So, basically Calamitas has sort of been kind of active, really, but not said anything that really stuck to me. And it looks to me like he was trying to keep Jake open as a possible despite him forgetting the IC.

forgetting who the IC is is pretty towny
I think that's a myth.

PPS: Oh wow, y'all really like that one. Okay!
Why so?
Because it is too gameable I would guess.

unvote: Jake

I think a newbie town player is much more likely to forget who the IC is than a newbie scum player.
Not to rip into Jake but I don't think he knew Fargo was an IC in the first place  :P

Agreed. Think scum would have tho.
Not necessarily, the IC was only named after N0 and the post wasn't that clear. Could easily see a newbie don't getting it, totally independent from alignment.

I also did not like this post, in which he deflects his admittedly scummy behavior (self-awareness is scummy), says we shouldn't be picky about the lynch, and then confines us to just two choices.

If we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.
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Dependent on the situation, I'm going to vote myself when I go to bed. And don't treat that as particular scummy or towny, I probably would have said that with either alignment.

Why? Would you vote for yourself? And why do you say not to read too much into that?
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If fargo were not the IC I would absolutely demand his lynch. We want to lynch like this: obvscum > lurkers > newbies > veterans > obvtown > IC
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I'm a newbie but that seems very scummie behavior
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I'm a newbie but that seems very scummie behavior

What?
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calamitas's behavior
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I'm a newbie but that seems very scummie behavior

What?

I think he means calamitas' threat.

I'm a newbie but that seems very scummie behavior

I would say that frustrated self-voting is townie at least as often as it is scummy, but for that reason it's easily gamed and we don't want to reward foolish behavior.
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What time does the final vote have to be in. is it 9 or before that
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yeah, i would think that it's a scummyish thing for the same reason i thought so with pps: scum has more discretion than town
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First of all, forgetting the IC doesn't mean much here in case of a newbie. It hasn't been declared before D1 so scum will not have discussed it (I am neglecting the chance of having a day chat here).

And I do actually think that having a no lynch D1 is worse than having a townie lynched. So I would be willing to get myself lynched over having a no lynch. Though I obviously prefer other outcomes since I have a chance of hitting scum there, I don't view my own death as a more negative utility than having a no lynch. And since I know I would think that as town and have expressed it as town before I would probably pull that as scum anyways because it comes closest to my town behavior. That's why you shouldn't read much into it except that I am, if the situation requires it, willing to go to bed with a vote on me.
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First of all, forgetting the IC doesn't mean much here in case of a newbie. It hasn't been declared before D1 so scum will not have discussed it (I am neglecting the chance of having a day chat here).

And I do actually think that having a no lynch D1 is worse than having a townie lynched. So I would be willing to get myself lynched over having a no lynch. Though I obviously prefer other outcomes since I have a chance of hitting scum there, I don't view my own death as a more negative utility than having a no lynch. And since I know I would think that as town and have expressed it as town before I would probably pull that as scum anyways because it comes closest to my town behavior. That's why you shouldn't read much into it except that I am, if the situation requires it, willing to go to bed with a vote on me.

I would say that No Lynch is indeed terrible, but from your own perspective it's not worse than you getting lynched, since you know you're town.
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First of all, forgetting the IC doesn't mean much here in case of a newbie. It hasn't been declared before D1 so scum will not have discussed it (I am neglecting the chance of having a day chat here).

And I do actually think that having a no lynch D1 is worse than having a townie lynched. So I would be willing to get myself lynched over having a no lynch. Though I obviously prefer other outcomes since I have a chance of hitting scum there, I don't view my own death as a more negative utility than having a no lynch. And since I know I would think that as town and have expressed it as town before I would probably pull that as scum anyways because it comes closest to my town behavior. That's why you shouldn't read much into it except that I am, if the situation requires it, willing to go to bed with a vote on me.

I would say that No Lynch is indeed terrible, but from your own perspective it's not worse than you getting lynched, since you know you're town.
Yep, but my death gives town info nevertheless and reduces the chance that I'm getting misslynched later during the game to zero. From a town perspective, the utility is still positive I think.
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You sound way too okay with your own death. Town usually flays wildly. This is something else. Which makes me more okay with this wagon.
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I'm inclined to agree with Robz here
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Vote Count 1.7

Jake (2): SpaceAnemone, silverspawn
LaLight (4): Fargo, J Reggie, Haddock, Calamitas
RR (1): PPS
Calamitas (4): Robz, LaLight, schadd, Jake

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First of all, forgetting the IC doesn't mean much here in case of a newbie. It hasn't been declared before D1 so scum will not have discussed it (I am neglecting the chance of having a day chat here).

And I do actually think that having a no lynch D1 is worse than having a townie lynched. So I would be willing to get myself lynched over having a no lynch. Though I obviously prefer other outcomes since I have a chance of hitting scum there, I don't view my own death as a more negative utility than having a no lynch. And since I know I would think that as town and have expressed it as town before I would probably pull that as scum anyways because it comes closest to my town behavior. That's why you shouldn't read much into it except that I am, if the situation requires it, willing to go to bed with a vote on me.

I would say that No Lynch is indeed terrible, but from your own perspective it's not worse than you getting lynched, since you know you're town.
Yep, but my death gives town info nevertheless and reduces the chance that I'm getting misslynched later during the game to zero. From a town perspective, the utility is still positive I think.
You sound like a scum when found out conceding to their death
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You sound way too okay with your own death. Town usually flays wildly. This is something else. Which makes me more okay with this wagon.
Look at D1 of RMM35 if you don't believe me. JReggie and I  had the same number of lynches on us. Reggie claimed deathproof and the consense was that he actually is alignment unindicative. So I tried yo get a self hammer in, didn't manage to do it because of a connection lag and made pretty much the same argument. But again, I would have done this here with either alignment I think.

I don't regard my death as significantly worse than another townies death and since I think lynching non-publicly confirmed town over no one, going for myself if no other options are likely is only consequent. No need to flail here since we are that close to deadline.
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I'm here!  Not for long, cos bed.  Sorry. :(  unvote to start with, Lalight looking much better of late I think.
Sorry not to tell people I would be missing so much of this.

oh my golly my gosh this is like my new favorite picture
Ugh.  Don't like this stuff from schadd.  Reads like forced humour.

Roadrunner7671 I'm not lynching RR D1 again unless he scumslips hard or something.
silverspawn not much useful content. A good D1 lynch.
LaLight something made me think he was scum. I think he feels a lot like he did in ghibli.
schadd hard to read as always. Maybe more likely to be scum, but I don't have any completed games with him where I was town.
pingpongsam more likely town because of his stunt, but he hasn't had to "prove his commitment" yet.
JaketheBaseballGod22 weird and hard to read. Another good reason not to lynch newbies D1 besides not getting the hang of things is because one has no idea how to read them
Fargo if it was every right to lynch an IC it would be Fargo. But I won't go that far (see what I did there?)
mail-mi the mod. Wouldn't lynch.
Calamitas can't find anything of note from him. Would lynch.
SpaceAnenome scary as scum. Would lynch if the opportunity presented itself. Although maybe they'll follow my pattern and be extremely good in their first scum game and fall apart after that.
J Reggie IC. Wouldn't lynch.
Robz888 nearly nothing useful, which is a shame. I was looking forward to playing with Robz.
Haddock a good player. He out-towned me after being conf!scum. Would Lynch.
McGarnacle nothing of note. Seems different from NM so quite possibly scum. He's flying under the radar more. But then again he did nearly get lynched D1 there so he has a reason to try something different. Not sure.
RR - agree
silver - hurr.  Without a case, lynching silver D1 seems meh.  He's too good a town player.
Lalight - increasingly disagreeing of late
schadd - sure.  Don't disagree
PPS - OK.
Jake - 100% agree with this
Calamitas - yep.
Space - Ok sure, that's not really a position but Space is not a good lynch for today, anyway.
Robz - Burn.  Disagree.
Haddock - dealt with this already
McGarnacle - Definitely with you on that.  McGarnacle edging towards the top of my scumreads.

If we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.

Ewwwwww.

Yeah LaLight that's not the best idea. Or towniest idea
Very forced.  Man I so want to lynch RR here.

I am not scum.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
Really not.  Noone actually expected Lalight to mean that, he was just making a point. Opportunistic from Calamitas.

I am not scum.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
Whatever, man.
It's a game after all, not psychologically social training
If your not scum give us your case of why we should not lynch you
Prove that you are town
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sure.


vote: calamitas

i would say that i suspect pps and rr most, about the same amount, and calamitas a little bit less (i wasn't lying before, but yeah this last part has seemed a bit sketch). all 3 of these are better than no lynch for me, though, thus i will vote wherever a vote matters the most (which is to say, if any of these three get momentum)
Nyerf.  Don't like this much at all.

First of all, forgetting the IC doesn't mean much here in case of a newbie. It hasn't been declared before D1 so scum will not have discussed it (I am neglecting the chance of having a day chat here).

And I do actually think that having a no lynch D1 is worse than having a townie lynched. So I would be willing to get myself lynched over having a no lynch. Though I obviously prefer other outcomes since I have a chance of hitting scum there, I don't view my own death as a more negative utility than having a no lynch. And since I know I would think that as town and have expressed it as town before I would probably pull that as scum anyways because it comes closest to my town behavior. That's why you shouldn't read much into it except that I am, if the situation requires it, willing to go to bed with a vote on me.
This could actually legit come from a towny I think.  It's a weird extension of a common belief.  Feels right. Some rare townpoints here.


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OK, so I'm totally fine with a Calamitas lynch.  Right now my top scumreads are something like:
RR  >  McGarnacle = schadd > Calamitas > Reggie

But I don't actually want to lynch RR because he's too easy to mislynch. 

McGarnacle and schadd I'd prefer to Calamitas, but don't see that happening.

vote: Calamitas
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The daychat thinglooks like a faked townslip. vote: calamitas. L-1. Calling a calamitas-lalight-? team.

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Oh right there's PPS. Well I don't think we need to give calamitas the chance to claim. Maybe if he's the cop, but otherwise a claim gives him a 50% chance of being scum.

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The daychat thinglooks like a faked townslip. vote: calamitas. L-1. Calling a calamitas-lalight-? team.

erm what? Me/Calamitas team? strange here.
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The daychat thinglooks like a faked townslip. vote: calamitas. L-1. Calling a calamitas-lalight-? team.
Why should that be a faked townslip? It is a possibility which I neglected there to make my point.
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I would like a Vote Count on calamitas
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It's 6.

Does anyone know where pps is from?
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J Reggie that is very possible
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@Haddock Do you know whether SA will get online before deadline?
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The daychat thinglooks like a faked townslip. vote: calamitas. L-1. Calling a calamitas-lalight-? team.
Why should that be a faked townslip? It is a possibility which I neglected there to make my point.

Because not knowing if scum has daychat is like the most classic townslip there is.

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The daychat thinglooks like a faked townslip. vote: calamitas. L-1. Calling a calamitas-lalight-? team.
Why should that be a faked townslip? It is a possibility which I neglected there to make my point.

Because not knowing if scum has daychat is like the most classic townslip there is.
What the hell? I'm not knowing it and I said I'm going to neglect the probabilty since there is one. Again, would have done that as either town or scum.
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I assume you are not really willing to change your mind, in that case I'm going to hammer. Risking a no lynch isn't worth the potential benefit of not doing it then.
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I assume you are not really willing to change your mind, in that case I'm going to hammer. Risking a no lynch isn't worth the potential benefit of not doing it then.

fine with me.
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I'm here now and catching up. Sorry, I had stuff on this evening. Should be awake for another hour if necessary, and can hammer if it's looking like a good option, but want o read/think/consume more tea first.

PPS runs on forum time, so should also be awake at least.
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Good night guys, SA is here to handle so I don't need to self hammer.
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Since I'm probably dying anyway, my reads:
Best scum read is Haddock by now, he just feels like the scum!Haddock I have seen before. I don't know his town play and whether there is discrepancy now. Cannot share much more, except that I didn't like LaLights behaving in the case of Jake. Felt kind of opportunistic since he made basically a U-turn within a few posts.
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Claim!!!!
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Claim!!!!
Vt obviously, otherwise I wouldn't have estimated the utility of my life that low :D
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So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!
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Claim!!!!
Vt obviously, otherwise I wouldn't have estimated the utility of my life that low :D
That's what I assumed but sometimes people give up even as PRs
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Okay, have re-read a bit, and Calamitas doesn't seem like the worst candidate ever. I really don't get what that little day-chat blow-up was about... can someone fill me in on why it would be an alignment-indicative caveat for him to have made either way?
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So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!

But did you not read what I wrote about claiming in this setup? It's like actively bad for town.

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Okay, have re-read a bit, and Calamitas doesn't seem like the worst candidate ever. I really don't get what that little day-chat blow-up was about... can someone fill me in on why it would be an alignment-indicative caveat for him to have made either way?
It's dependent on personality. Some people feel inclined to take into account such edge cases always. Others would only cover such an edge case if they were trying to look like they didn't know the setup when in fact they do.

I happen to think calamitas is in the first category hence that particular thing is null.
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So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!

But did you not read what I wrote about claiming in this setup? It's like actively bad for town.

I read that, but didn't actually feel convinced by it. If we lynch someone who flips as one of the "extra" scum, why is it worth the corresponding PR claiming, when that just makes them an NK target?
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Okay, have re-read a bit, and Calamitas doesn't seem like the worst candidate ever. I really don't get what that little day-chat blow-up was about... can someone fill me in on why it would be an alignment-indicative caveat for him to have made either way?
It's dependent on personality. Some people feel inclined to take into account such edge cases always. Others would only cover such an edge case if they were trying to look like they didn't know the setup when in fact they do.

I happen to think calamitas is in the first category hence that particular thing is null.

Yeah, I agree with that.

What do you think about JR's claiming advice from way back early in the game?
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So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!

But did you not read what I wrote about claiming in this setup? It's like actively bad for town.
I didn't read it, no. But if Calamitas was a cop and he didn't claim and we lynched him, how could that be worse than him claiming and getting killed tonight?
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Huh.. I was going to hammer once I'd done more thinking, but I guess PPS had a prior claim on intent.

I'd still like to work out whether I agree with JR's claiming plans, if people are still here and talking into twilight...
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So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!

But did you not read what I wrote about claiming in this setup? It's like actively bad for town.
I didn't read it, no. But if Calamitas was a cop and he didn't claim and we lynched him, how could that be worse than him claiming and getting killed tonight?

It's worse. In the latter scenario, we force the scum to spend a night kill on the cop, at least.  Doing it for them essentially saves them a needed move.
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So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!

But did you not read what I wrote about claiming in this setup? It's like actively bad for town.
I didn't read it, no. But if Calamitas was a cop and he didn't claim and we lynched him, how could that be worse than him claiming and getting killed tonight?

It's worse. In the latter scenario, we force the scum to spend a night kill on the cop, at least.  Doing it for them essentially saves them a needed move.
I know, that's the point. J Reggie is incorrect, claiming in this setup is not actively bad for town
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FWIW, I think Calamitas is more likely to claim some power there if he's scum--at least, that was pretty standard in my day. What does he have to lose? He might out a town PR if someone is forced to counterclaim.

He didn't, which makes me pretty uneasy about this lynch... but at least we are only lynching a VT, and have protected our town PRs. And I suppose it would have been impossible to get another lynch anyway.

So... flip!
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So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!

But did you not read what I wrote about claiming in this setup? It's like actively bad for town.

I read that, but didn't actually feel convinced by it. If we lynch someone who flips as one of the "extra" scum, why is it worth the corresponding PR claiming, when that just makes them an NK target?

What I'm saying is people should not claim if a) they don't have results and b) the corresponding scum PR hasn't flipped. Of neither of those things are true, don't claim even at L-1. Unless you're the cop because there's always a cop.

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FWIW, I think Calamitas is more likely to claim some power there if he's scum--at least, that was pretty standard in my day. What does he have to lose? He might out a town PR if someone is forced to counterclaim.

He didn't, which makes me pretty uneasy about this lynch... but at least we are only lynching a VT, and have protected our town PRs. And I suppose it would have been impossible to get another lynch anyway.

So... flip!

I think it's become increasingly common for scum to claim VT.

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Huh.. I was going to hammer once I'd done more thinking, but I guess PPS had a prior claim on intent.

I'd still like to work out whether I agree with JR's claiming plans, if people are still here and talking into twilight...

Once you start collecting, well, you gotta collect them all.

Somewhere we used to keep track of them and ashersky and I were neck and neck.
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Jake (2): SpaceAnemone, silverspawn
LaLight (2): Fargo, Calamitas
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kinda confident about cal
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or, well, i haven't changed my mind at all
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Flavor goes here, or something like that.  Neurotoxins

Calamitas has been lynched!


They were a Vanilla Core!

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Hmm...

Well, here's something.

Currently living players voting for someone other than the lynch: Silverspawn
Voted for no one: McGarnacle, RR
Wagon: Robz, LaLight, schadd, Jake, Haddock, J Reggie, PPS

How many scum do we think were off wagon? Because there aren't very many still-living players there in total. Like, Silverspawn is the only person who voted for someone other than Calamtias at day's close.
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What's and adventure sphere and what do they do?
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What's and adventure sphere and what do they do?

That's the flavor name for the Tracker. So we know there's a Tracker. Consequently, we know there's a 1-shot Ninja.
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Do we know how many scum are in the setup?
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What's and adventure sphere and what do they do?

That's the flavor name for the Tracker. So we know there's a Tracker. Consequently, we know there's a 1-shot Ninja.

What does this mean. Sry, still kind of a mafia noob.
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« Reply #545 on: October 22, 2016, 02:30:15 pm »

Um, you didn't read this yet? That's not a good sign.

WIFOM is a Semi-Open Original setup for 13 players. It's designed to eliminate towncred given to players who claim power roles and to show how WIFOM can be a powerful tool for both Town and Scum.

The "base" setup is as follows:

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3 Mafia:

Anger Core (Goon)
Turret (Goon)
Cave Johnson (1-shot Psychotrooper)

10 Town:

Chell (1-shot Commuting Innocent Child)
Curiosity Core (3-shot Alignment Cop)
8 Vanilla Cores (Vanilla Townies)

Pregame, 0-5 Modifications will be made to the above setup. Each Modification has a 50% chance of being present. They will alter the setup by adding more power roles to both the Town and the Mafia:

Modification 1:

Anger Core -> 2-shot Roleblocker

Vanilla Townie -> Intelligence Core (Doctor)


Modification 2:

Anger Core -> Flavor Cop

Vanilla Townie -> Wheatley (Roleblocker)


Modification 3:

Turret -> 2-shot Rolestopper

Vanilla Townie -> Doug Rattmann (Watcher)


Modification 4:
Turret -> 1-shot Ninja

Vanilla Townie -> Rick, the Adventure Core (Tracker)


Modification 5:
Cave Johnson -> Cop Enabler

Vanilla Townie -> Space Core (Universal Backup)


Here's what the setup looks like when ALL the Modifications are present:
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3 Mafia:
Anger Core: Flavor Copping 2-shot Roleblocker
Turret: 2-shot Rolestopping 1-shot Ninja
Cave Johnson: Cop Enabling 1-shot Psychotrooper

10 Town:
Chell: 1-shot Commuting Innocent Child
Curiosity Core: 3-shot Alignment Cop
Rick, the Adventure Sphere: Tracker
Doug Rattmann: Watcher
Intelligence Core: Doctor
Wheatley: Roleblocker
Space Core: Universal Backup
3 Vanilla Cores

Mechanics:

- When players die, only their Flavor Name and Alignment will be revealed.
- Mafia cannot complete the factional kill and use a power in the same night.
- Rolestopping resolves before Town!Roleblocking which resolves before Mafia!Roleblocking

Role Clarifications:
- 1-shot Psychotrooper is an Active power. The night they choose to use it, the Alignment Cop will get the opposite result for their investigation (Scum instead of Town and Town instead of Scum).
- Investigative powers receive "No Result" if their action was blocked in any way.
- When the Cop Enabler dies, all Alignment Cop Investigations return "No Result"
- Flavor Cop is told their target's Flavor Name. If both are present, it is used in conjuction with Roleblocking. However, the Anger Core does not have to Roleblock when they Flavor Cop, and they can still Flavor Cop when out of Roleblocking shots.
- Ninja can be used to modify the user's Factional Kill or Rolestopping
- Rolestopping doesn't stop Kills
- The Universal Backup inherit the first Town Power Role that dies. A Town PR with 0-shots left (if they are an X-shot Role) does not count for UB inheritance. The Innocent Child's 1-shot Commuter can be inherited by the UB.

Here is the Vanilla Core PM:

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Remember before when I was talking about smelly garbage standing around being useless? That was a metaphor. I was actually talking about you.

You are a Vanilla Core. You are a useless piece of whirring machinery that can't actually do anything, including be killed by my neurotoxin. I'm frankly surprised you can even speak.

Please /confirm by replying to this message.

Town Wincon: You win once all the mafia are dead.
Mafia Wincon: You win once the mafia controls half the town, or nothing can stop this from happening.
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How many scum do we think were off wagon? Because there aren't very many still-living players there in total. Like, Silverspawn is the only person who voted for someone other than Calamtias at day's close.

for a while i thought that 3 scums would've had to be on it, or at least it would've been easy to manipulate somehow, because it was sort of hurried and close to the deadline (and that was sort of my motivation for voting calam), but eventually everyone did weigh in on it (except mcgarnacle i think). so i dunno. gonna reread space
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What does the tracker do exactly
google it bub


and also, ofc, it doesn't matter at this point
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Dang that's not a good loss
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Dang that's not a good loss

Yeah, although this set up makes Tracking/Watching less useful because their inclusion results in scum that are specifically powered to confuse them. The biggest loss in this setup would probably be a Doctor, then an Alignment Cop, then any other PR.
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So, I mean, if am to believe McGarnacle and Jake's complete lack of familiarity with the setup, they are both town. McGarnacle's seems pretty genuine, Jake's I suppose could be feigned. Any other expert opinion? I am admittedly a sucker for acquitting people via this kind of thinking.
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what difference do you see between jake's and mcgarnacle's?
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what difference do you see between jake's and mcgarnacle's?

I... don't know. Looking again, they don't seem as different.
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vote: jake

Reason?
hey, that's my favorite device for reaching a solution to something
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vote: jake

Reason?
hey, that's my favorite device for reaching a solution to something

It's also the name of the magazine that employs me.  ;D

Seriously, though. What made you vote for jake?
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I don't think he has one he just doesn't like
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Is there something about SpaceAnemone that makes it easy for scum to PR read them? Like weren't they killed N1 as a PR in a recent game?

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Also I just listened to Still Alive for the first time and now I want to hear Wayne Coyne singing it.

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Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.
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Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

Wait a minute, this ISNT McGarnacle's first game? And he didn't bother to read the setup? That seems way more scummy to me actually, then.
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i think that being on wagon is also pretty good
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Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

Wait a minute, this ISNT McGarnacle's first game? And he didn't bother to read the setup? That seems way more scummy to me actually, then.

Wait, reading the setup is scummy and not reading the setup is scummy?

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Dang that's not a good loss

Yeah, although this set up makes Tracking/Watching less useful because their inclusion results in scum that are specifically powered to confuse them. The biggest loss in this setup would probably be a Doctor, then an Alignment Cop, then any other PR.

There is no way that doctor is as good as a cop, not even with an IC and the cop being 3-shot and the psycho shot thing going on.

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Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

That seems like a bad reason to vote Silverspawn.

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Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

Wait a minute, this ISNT McGarnacle's first game? And he didn't bother to read the setup? That seems way more scummy to me actually, then.

Wait, reading the setup is scummy and not reading the setup is scummy?

I don't believe someone who has already played before wouldn't have read the setup by now, so it's scummy in that case.

A true newb not reading it is different.
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Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

That seems like a bad reason to vote Silverspawn.

Why does it seem bad? It seems like a great idea to me.
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Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

Wait a minute, this ISNT McGarnacle's first game? And he didn't bother to read the setup? That seems way more scummy to me actually, then.

Wait, reading the setup is scummy and not reading the setup is scummy?

I don't believe someone who has already played before wouldn't have read the setup by now, so it's scummy in that case.

A true newb not reading it is different.

What about PPS not reading it or RR or Seprix. Like they're known for not reading the setup. Does that make them always scummy?

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Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

I actually completely missed the EoD

I think the setup confusion is worth town points, but not too many. Scum can and might fabricate it. It just works too often.

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What about PPS not reading it or RR or Seprix. Like they're known for not reading the setup. Does that make them always scummy?

Robz comes from a better world. When he used to play, not reading the setup wasn't a thing.

We should go back to those times.

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Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

That seems like a bad reason to vote Silverspawn.

Why does it seem bad? It seems like a great idea to me.

Because ss wasn't around at the deadline as far as I can tell. There's no reason he would have been on the wagon. Also by your logic, that makes scum always want to be on the wagon.

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Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

Wait a minute, this ISNT McGarnacle's first game? And he didn't bother to read the setup? That seems way more scummy to me actually, then.

Wait, reading the setup is scummy and not reading the setup is scummy?

I don't believe someone who has already played before wouldn't have read the setup by now, so it's scummy in that case.

A true newb not reading it is different.

What about PPS not reading it or RR or Seprix. Like they're known for not reading the setup. Does that make them always scummy?

PPS and Seprix are known for deliberately not knowing what the setup is, on Day 2? Really? Is that even the case? I mean, that's just really bad play in that case, I guess?
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Is there something about SpaceAnemone that makes it easy for scum to PR read them? Like weren't they killed N1 as a PR in a recent game?
It's much more likely just coincidence.

okay, time to put down a vote: Lalight.

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I'm finding McG, Silverspawn, and RR pretty scummy right now.
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RR explained the setup to me when I had questions before the game started so he read it
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Guys, i'm sorry i just have smth to say, but veru busy right now. Answer then.
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So.

Thing is: scums are iether too newbie or too vet. Pros:
They're too newbie
1) They do not know they should kill IC.
2) They killed the person they wanted. But SA was the one who is to be suspected right here and now cause it's hard to predict them. That was a silly kill.

They're vet
1) They knew IC will commute and saw some breadcrumbs from SA so they knew they is a Tracker. I'm not able right now to check this actually.

I'm really inclined to suspect that scums are newbies: Jake, McGarnacle, ???. Of these two I suspect Jake from the first day, he was behaving scummy. McGarnacle too. I didn't want to lynch Jake D1, I explained that. Now's the time.
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Maybe the third one is Robz. That would be an awesome setup.
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I am inclined to think McGarnacle is scum because I had nothing against SA whereas he did and ask RR how bored I was during N-1 because I'm a vanilla townie who couldn't do anything during N-1 Vote: McGarnacle
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LaLight why have you been tunneling me all game?
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I am inclined to think McGarnacle is scum because I had nothing against SA whereas he did and ask RR how bored I was during N-1 because I'm a vanilla townie who couldn't do anything during N-1 Vote: McGarnacle

This seems a little against the rules...

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What is
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We didn't talk about the game I was just bored
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I am inclined to think McGarnacle is scum because I had nothing against SA whereas he did and ask RR how bored I was during N-1 because I'm a vanilla townie who couldn't do anything during N-1 Vote: McGarnacle

This seems a little against the rules...

This is absolutely against the rules. You can't discuss the game with people IRL! Like, that's a very serious breach of decorum.

You also shouldn't claim VT without any reason to do so (if you're town). It helps the scum focus on other people who might be PRs.

Very bad play, dude.
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About to get on a train, more later.
But right now, calling a
Jake/lalight/schadd
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I already claimed D-1 when I had 6 votes on me and we didn't discuss the game u would know that if u read my posts
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I already claimed D-1 when I had 6 votes on me and we didn't discuss the game u would know that if u read my posts
You're right, I missed that.
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So.

Thing is: scums are iether too newbie or too vet. Pros:
They're too newbie
1) They do not know they should kill IC.
2) They killed the person they wanted. But SA was the one who is to be suspected right here and now cause it's hard to predict them. That was a silly kill.

They're vet
1) They knew IC will commute and saw some breadcrumbs from SA so they knew they is a Tracker. I'm not able right now to check this actually.

I'm really inclined to suspect that scums are newbies: Jake, McGarnacle, ???. Of these two I suspect Jake from the first day, he was behaving scummy. McGarnacle too. I didn't want to lynch Jake D1, I explained that. Now's the time.

The thing is, I don't consider you too newbie or too very, and yet you thought of this. So it doesn't really prove anything. Actually, vote: lalight

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So.

Thing is: scums are iether too newbie or too vet. Pros:
They're too newbie
1) They do not know they should kill IC.
2) They killed the person they wanted. But SA was the one who is to be suspected right here and now cause it's hard to predict them. That was a silly kill.

They're vet
1) They knew IC will commute and saw some breadcrumbs from SA so they knew they is a Tracker. I'm not able right now to check this actually.

I'm really inclined to suspect that scums are newbies: Jake, McGarnacle, ???. Of these two I suspect Jake from the first day, he was behaving scummy. McGarnacle too. I didn't want to lynch Jake D1, I explained that. Now's the time.

The thing is, I don't consider you too newbie or too vet, and yet you thought of this. So it doesn't really prove anything. Actually, vote: lalight

Ftfm

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Sorry, I should have read the setup, but I'm II's replacement and I was not paying attention to the game before now.
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Sorry, I should have read the setup, but I'm II's replacement and I was not paying attention to the game before now.

Oh, I forgot about that.

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LaLight why have you been tunneling me all game?

Well, I'm not, actually.
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About to get on a train, more later.
But right now, calling a
Jake/lalight/schadd
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Why? Whyyyyy? What've I done wrong here?
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Vote: LaLight for tunneling me
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Lalight's play feels a lot like it did in ghibli.

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Vote: LaLight for tunneling me

Give me proof. I voted for you once, twice maximum and did everything to save you D1, voted Calamitas for example.

What do you mean saying the word "Tunneling"?
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Lalight's play feels a lot like it did in ghibli.

There's the difference. I'm not the scum here!
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Vote: LaLight for tunneling me

Give me proof. I voted for you once, twice maximum and did everything to save you D1, voted Calamitas for example.

What do you mean saying the word "Tunneling"?

Yeah, I'm not sure if Jake knows what tunneling means. You definitely did not tunnel him. In fact, I can see the two of you being scum partners.

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vote: Jake

He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.
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vote: Jake

He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.

how different?
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We need Fargo to do something. We don't want the IC to get modkilled.
We need Fargo to do something. We don't want the IC to get modkilled.

True
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Why is the IC so important?

It's an opinion we can trust--we know the person giving it isn't trying to mislead us.

But really, it's bad to have any player as checked out as Fargo is.
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vote: Jake

He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.

how different?

You seem less helpful and more defensive.
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vote: Jake

He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.

how different?

You seem less helpful and more defensive.

That is true. Reason is that being helpful is scummy, is all
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vote: Jake

He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.

how different?

You seem less helpful and more defensive.

That is true. Reason is that being helpful is scummy, is all

See, that's not good. Now that you've admitted you think being helpful is scummy, you not being helpful means nothing.

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Have to break this post in two.  Apparently it's too long.  Or something.  It's weird.

Hmm...

Well, here's something.

Currently living players voting for someone other than the lynch: Silverspawn
Voted for no one: McGarnacle, RR
Wagon: Robz, LaLight, schadd, Jake, Haddock, J Reggie, PPS

How many scum do we think were off wagon? Because there aren't very many still-living players there in total. Like, Silverspawn is the only person who voted for someone other than Calamtias at day's close.
My feeling is 2 on, 1 off.  you mentioned (in a later post) a scumread on silver, any case behind that?  I always always townread him but I'll try to be as open minded as possible if someone presents a case.



How many scum do we think were off wagon? Because there aren't very many still-living players there in total. Like, Silverspawn is the only person who voted for someone other than Calamtias at day's close.

for a while i thought that 3 scums would've had to be on it, or at least it would've been easy to manipulate somehow, because it was sort of hurried and close to the deadline (and that was sort of my motivation for voting calam), but eventually everyone did weigh in on it (except mcgarnacle i think). so i dunno. gonna reread space
Hedgy and overexplained.  I do not like this post.

Dang that's not a good loss

Yeah, although this set up makes Tracking/Watching less useful because their inclusion results in scum that are specifically powered to confuse them. The biggest loss in this setup would probably be a Doctor, then an Alignment Cop, then any other PR.
Townread on Robz from this and posts like it.

Is there something about SpaceAnemone that makes it easy for scum to PR read them? Like weren't they killed N1 as a PR in a recent game?
Coincidence.  I'm surprised scum killed them to be honest, given SA's recent scum performance it seemed likely that town would be frightened of lategame!SA.  Anyhoo.

Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

Wait a minute, this ISNT McGarnacle's first game? And he didn't bother to read the setup? That seems way more scummy to me actually, then.
Yeah, the lack of setup reading is become a thing recently.  Pisses me off, but it's increasingly a thing, not necessarily alignment-indicative.
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What about PPS not reading it or RR or Seprix. Like they're known for not reading the setup. Does that make them always scummy?

PPS and Seprix are known for deliberately not knowing what the setup is, on Day 2? Really? Is that even the case? I mean, that's just really bad play in that case, I guess?
My instinct is to make a snide comment about Seprix's ability here, but that's just bitterness from Rewind.

I'm finding McG, Silverspawn, and RR pretty scummy right now.
This is the post I mentioned earlier.  I can see scumreads on RR and McG, but I'd love to see reasons for silver.


So.

Thing is: scums are iether too newbie or too vet. Pros:
They're too newbie
1) They do not know they should kill IC.
2) They killed the person they wanted. But SA was the one who is to be suspected right here and now cause it's hard to predict them. That was a silly kill.

They're vet
1) They knew IC will commute and saw some breadcrumbs from SA so they knew they is a Tracker. I'm not able right now to check this actually.

I'm really inclined to suspect that scums are newbies: Jake, McGarnacle, ???. Of these two I suspect Jake from the first day, he was behaving scummy. McGarnacle too. I didn't want to lynch Jake D1, I explained that. Now's the time.
This does not endear Lalight to me.  It's not a good argument, it ties down lynch options for no good reason, and it just doesn't seem like it comes from a town point of view.

I am inclined to think McGarnacle is scum because I had nothing against SA whereas he did and ask RR how bored I was during N-1 because I'm a vanilla townie who couldn't do anything during N-1 Vote: McGarnacle
Ewwwwwwwwwww.

About to get on a train, more later.
But right now, calling a
Jake/lalight/schadd
scumteam.

Why? Whyyyyy? What've I done wrong here?
Vibes mostly, it's hard for me to pin down an actual case except to point out odd posts like the one above.  Schadd's not made too many such posts D2, but was scummy D1.
Plus the interactions between the three of you feel right.  I mostly wanted to have this down cos if I'm right it would be freaking awesome.

vote: Jake

He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.

how different?

You seem less helpful and more defensive.

That is true. Reason is that being helpful is scummy, is all
It is not good at all that you are making this argument as a defense.  If you're town, the protownness of being helpful more than cancels out the negative utility of you maybe being scumread for it.   And the fact that you're saying this implies that you've thought about it and are being intentionally not helpful.  Scummy.

Right now Lalight and Jake are my top scumreads.
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vote: Jake

He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.

how different?

You seem less helpful and more defensive.

That is true. Reason is that being helpful is scummy, is all

See, that's not good. Now that you've admitted you think being helpful is scummy, you not being helpful means nothing.

I don't think being helpful is scummy. Everybody thinks being helpful is scummy so I gave up doing this.
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I don't think being helpful is scummy. Everybody thinks being helpful is scummy so I gave up doing this.
Doesn't matter.  The point is that you're prioritising how you look too much.  It's fine for town to try to look towny, but not at the expense of protown play.
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I don't think being helpful is scummy. Everybody thinks being helpful is scummy so I gave up doing this.
Doesn't matter.  The point is that you're prioritising how you look too much.  It's fine for town to try to look towny, but not at the expense of protown play.

Well, yeah. as I highlighted in one of my gaves (it was rmm35 i think) I do everything to shorten a lynchpool and so people don't think I'm scum and find real scum. That's the point of my messges. And also I practically sure in Jake and McG so this is it.
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Certainty is scummy above all.
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Re: Haddock's post... I guess I don't really have that much of a scum read on silverspawn, he's just the *only* person occupying a space I often find scum: comfortably voting for someone who didn't get lynched. And he's a vet and I kinda expect more from him but he doesn't seem to be doing a lot of consequence.

I see what you are saying about Jake and LaLight, but I think McG and RR are scummier, for me.
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Also, schadd (and I think) J Reg have generated almost zero attention so far, which I always find incriminating.
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Re: Haddock's post... I guess I don't really have that much of a scum read on silverspawn, he's just the *only* person occupying a space I often find scum: comfortably voting for someone who didn't get lynched. And he's a vet and I kinda expect more from him but he doesn't seem to be doing a lot of consequence.

I see what you are saying about Jake and LaLight, but I think McG and RR are scummier, for me.

Ehh... okay, actually I keep going back and forth on Jake v. McG.
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Okay, re-read Jake and McG. Sorry I kept confusing myself. McG reads like newb townie, Jake reads like scum pretending to be newb townie.

Vote: Jake

Got some confidence in this, actually.
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so, if I'm not mistaken we have 4 votes on Jake, 3 on me and 1 on Silver.
Can we see a vote count please?
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Jake and LL were not big ticket items yesterday. So, either we're sure we just barely missed cornering 2 scum yesterday (unlikely) or they are at least one scape goat scum wants to lead to slaughter.
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Jake and LL were not big ticket items yesterday. So, either we're sure we just barely missed cornering 2 scum yesterday (unlikely) or they are at least one scape goat scum wants to lead to slaughter.
FTFM
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Jake and LL were not big ticket items yesterday. So, either we're sure we just barely missed cornering 2 scum yesterday (unlikely) or they are at least one scape goat scum wants to lead to slaughter.
If we're thinking that (which I'm not sure I disagree with, tbh - though I still think Lalight and Jake match up as partners well), I prefer Jake to Lalight. 
I also had a thought (don't know if I mentioned) that I feel like at most one of Reggie and Lalight is scum.  Their interactions are very unpartnery.
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I have a question why is it that everything that I say taken and put as words that a scum would say by some else (usually lalight but also others) For example I could say that puppies are awesome and someone else would say that puppies are scum so therefore I must be scum. That doesn't make any sense. Everything I say is imeditaly put as scum words and I don't understand why. Can some one please explain it to me
 
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Jake and LL were not big ticket items yesterday. So, either we're sure we just barely missed cornering 2 scum yesterday (unlikely) or they are at least one scape goat scum wants to lead to slaughter.

Yeah, I don't know about LaLight. But I really do think Jake is scum.
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Jake and LL were not big ticket items yesterday. So, either we're sure we just barely missed cornering 2 scum yesterday (unlikely) or they are at least one scape goat scum wants to lead to slaughter.

Yeah, I don't know about LaLight. But I really do think Jake is scum.
Why? No one is backing up their accusations with anything
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With anything other than he said some scummy things. LIKE WHAT!!!
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This game is about finding the person with the most evidence of scum on them and so far the only reason that I am scum is because one person said that I said some scummy things and everyone else just followed suit
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This game is about finding the person with the most evidence of scum on them and so far the only reason that I am scum is because one person said that I said some scummy things and everyone else just followed suit

The biggest thing working against you, actually, is that you are still alive today. We scrutinized you Day 1, and I for one afforded you likely town status. That makes you a great night kill for scum... scum want to take out people we've largely cleared and leave the mystery candidates.

I also think you're actually a lot more aware of what's going on and into this game than you are letting on. You're so excited about this game that you're talking about it IRL during night, but actually you're just a VT who barely understands the setup? Yeah right.

Let's lynch this guy.
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What don't you understand about the sentence "I didn't talk about the at ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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And when I played on a different platform there was no watcher or tracker which is why I didn't understand what they were
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And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
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And by saying all these things I know I'm digging my own grave but I don't care because I'm trying to understand why u guys just lynch without solid proof
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ask RR how bored I was during N-1 because I'm a vanilla townie who couldn't do anything during N-1

I'm not accusing you of breaking any rules, I misconstrued this statement a bit, earlier. But RR's knowledge of your night 1 boredom does suggest to some small amount of vague (not illegal) IRL talking.
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I will admit to answering a few rule questions Jake had during the night. I will also sort of throw him under the bus: He did say he was bored because it was night and he hoped gkreig's game would open soon (by the way, join gkreig's game!)
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But I can be bored and not have to talk about the game would you like some other reasons for my boredom/depression : I was sick the last irl day of D-1, outside baseball ended last week and my grandma just got atmitted to the icu after back surgery. Are u happy now robz
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And for anyone who would like to know how to get lynched you can take notes now or sign up for my free class called how to get lynched 101
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This game is about finding the person with the most evidence of scum on them and so far the only reason that I am scum is because one person said that I said some scummy things and everyone else just followed suit

The biggest thing working against you, actually, is that you are still alive today. We scrutinized you Day 1, and I for one afforded you likely town status. That makes you a great night kill for scum... scum want to take out people we've largely cleared and leave the mystery candidates.

I also think you're actually a lot more aware of what's going on and into this game than you are letting on. You're so excited about this game that you're talking about it IRL during night, but actually you're just a VT who barely understands the setup? Yeah right.

Let's lynch this guy.

Disagree. That scum nailed a PR instead of the IC is a thing. They were clearly avoiding VTs. Jake as a claimed VT was least likely to get NK'd. That we have a nonexistent IC is a travesty.
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That's not a question
uh, okay, how about, what reasons do we have for not lynching you, and why would we want to inform you of things that you say that sound scummy to us? as it is at the moment, robz has provided a few reasons for suspecting you (that have been a bit gut & tacit, which is fine) and you spent a bunch of time trying to refute one of them. some other people, as well, have been suspecting you for a while, and i was sort of giving you a D1 pass. it's D2 now, and if you're gonna try to give us a reason not to lynch you, you won't be able to do it by talking about yourself, and we're not gonna tell you what about your posts rubs us the wrong way.
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And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
where are we getting that figure from, eh?
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Then lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answers
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also,
And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
where are we getting that figure from, eh?
I reread the setup and there should be three vanilla townies in the game at the start. One was lynched so 2/9 is roughly 80%
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And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
where are we getting that figure from, eh?
I reread the setup and there should be three vanilla townies in the game at the start. One was lynched so 2/9 is roughly 80%

there can be like 9 Vts actually
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First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs so
8-5=3
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Then lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answers
i'm not telling you to defend yourself, i'm telling you to come up with reasons that you ought to be alive. in spite of what the case with calamitas would lead you to believe, the reasons for lynching someone are not always gonna be how much they seem scum; if you're only gonna spend time defending yourself, then you aren't very useful for town. if you can succinctly defend yourself and then provide concrete reasons for why other people seem (un)suspicious then you will be an asset. presumably, everyone can respond logically to some arguments against them, regardless of alignment, and there's some things to which one can't respond logically to (e.g. posts giving some sort of bad impression, suspicion cast by nightkills, etc.)


First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs so
8-5=3
it says that the modifications all have a 50% chance of being present, in bold
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First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs so
8-5=3

Every modification works with 50% probability. There can be no modifications at all. (Though there's one at least cause SA was Tracker)
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Then lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answers
i'm not telling you to defend yourself, i'm telling you to come up with reasons that you ought to be alive. in spite of what the case with calamitas would lead you to believe, the reasons for lynching someone are not always gonna be how much they seem scum; if you're only gonna spend time defending yourself, then you aren't very useful for town. if you can succinctly defend yourself and then provide concrete reasons for why other people seem (un)suspicious then you will be an asset. presumably, everyone can respond logically to some arguments against them, regardless of alignment, and there's some things to which one can't respond logically to (e.g. posts giving some sort of bad impression, suspicion cast by nightkills, etc.)


First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs so
8-5=3
it says that the modifications all have a 50% chance of being present, in bold
Well one person I'm pretty sure is scum is McGarnacle because during D-1 he and SA had a beef and on N-1 SA ends up dead. I'm also confindent that LaLight is scum but that's just how I feel not a lot of proof the third person who is mafia is pps due to having no clear side that he is on for anything or Haddock due to the fact that all of his posts are kind of aminous and pps and Haddock are constantly fighting so I think one is the third scum
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Pro tip: Complaining and telling people to lynch you is not going to increase your odds of survival
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I'm not telling anyone to lynch me I would love to live but due to the overwhelming public dislike of me I doubt that will happen
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Then lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answers
'Then lynch me'
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I gave him all the options in that post
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unvote: silverspawn you can lynch me but i'm just trying to figure out who is mafia and who isnt
'You can lynch me'
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I would prefer that not to happen but it's an option
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vote: spaceanemone.
You're still alive and now I want you gone.
...

That was exactly as fun as I hoped it would be.

Sleep now. Night all!

I'm not even angry...
I'm being so sincere right now:
Vote: Haddock
their singular rvs thing. don't really think it's very revealing, they & haddock know each other


vote: Jake
Why?

To see how the total unknown newbie who isn't already IC reacts. It was fun.
seems a bit neutral. their vote on jake stays there for the rest of the day, though


I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.

Did you feel that way before I started the wagon, or only after?
perhaps they did scumread jake then


Nyerp.  This feels a bit forced.  I find myself kind of understanding the J Reggie wagon, while not really fully agreeing with it.  Reggie's done some odd things and I don't remember him being this odd.  I just don't like big quick wagons happening so early.  I hate D1.
I don't get a scummy vibe from the stuff LL is saying about finding his situation with J Reggie odd. I mean, PPS is here, and I've only ever encountered him before as a scumbuddy in NM8, and I'm town now, so I can see this coming from town!LL. However, I've learned that he's also really good at getting into a townie headspace when scum, so it's kind of null overall.

Just throwing this out there, but what do people think are the chances that this is Lalight and Reggie constructing something?
Probably worth keeping in mind. I mean, JR seems townie enough (I almost always townread him, unfortunately), but he's yet to insist he's IC in this game, so maybe that's something to worry about?

This is weak and overexplained.  Not really a thing, either.  I don't think scum are going to worry that much about PoE this early.  It's all about how naturally you can find your way onto wagons.  Maybe inexperienced scum think this way?  But then inexperienced scum don't really think of PoE that much at all.
It's certainly something that people at my/LL's level of experience will worry about other people doing shortly after we've each played our first scum games. But yeah, I wouldn't discount an experienced player just because they're voting for the same person as the IC here.

I want to hear more from Space (I know, I've barely posted, hypocrisy hypocrisy).  Not that I actually think I can read them better than anyone else, but I want to get a feel for forum!Space by comparison to IRL!Space.
We are all Space :-)


Current scum reads are Jake and Lalight, prefer Lalight today mostly since they're more experienced.
vote: Lalight
Yeah.. I'm not going to do my usual thing of jumping in to say how townie LL is, because he's smart enough to have had me fooled for a while in Ghibli, and I think him voting me earlier may have been a scumtell. But even as scum, he's going to say a bunch of town-useful stuff because of his helpful nature, so I think he's an odd pick for a D1 lynch.
sort of explains why townies might have stepped off of lalight's wagon.


You think scum will commit to potentially lynching one of their own up to including themselves on D1? You think scum would draw this much negative attention outright?

I honestly wouldn't put it past you :-) You're an experienced player known for doing bold stuff, after all!

I do think you're missing the key aspect of the anti-town-ness of your proposed play, though, which is that you're hiding a lot more information about yourself by essentially promising not to act at all. We can't evaluate your voting choices as independent, possibly-alignment-indicative events if you make up a simple deterministic rule, broadcast that, and then refuse to budge from it.
hey, that's what i said!


Huh.. I was going to hammer once I'd done more thinking, but I guess PPS had a prior claim on intent.

I'd still like to work out whether I agree with JR's claiming plans, if people are still here and talking into twilight...
pretty unfortunate. i really think calamitas looked scummy at that point, we'll have to look if there's anything in particular that would've made him think that a self-lynch was worthwhile
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are we allowed to use the forum's native diceroll function for things?
i kinda want to do a rando-reread of someone. it seems like it would be busted for scum at rvs though. i guess, you could just suspect anyone who is using the diceroll at rvs
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i kinda want to do a rando-reread of someone. it seems like it would be busted for scum at rvs though. i guess, you could just suspect anyone who is using the diceroll at rvs

Using the dice roll function of the forum is allowed.
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And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
where are we getting that figure from, eh?
This could be a legit scumslip, I guess. Seems reasonably unlikely - it would rely on the setup having been rolled with all 5 modifiers, which is a smallish chance even with SA's flip.

Then lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answers
i'm not telling you to defend yourself, i'm telling you to come up with reasons that you ought to be alive. in spite of what the case with calamitas would lead you to believe, the reasons for lynching someone are not always gonna be how much they seem scum; if you're only gonna spend time defending yourself, then you aren't very useful for town. if you can succinctly defend yourself and then provide concrete reasons for why other people seem (un)suspicious then you will be an asset. presumably, everyone can respond logically to some arguments against them, regardless of alignment, and there's some things to which one can't respond logically to (e.g. posts giving some sort of bad impression, suspicion cast by nightkills, etc.)


First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs so
8-5=3
it says that the modifications all have a 50% chance of being present, in bold
Well one person I'm pretty sure is scum is McGarnacle because during D-1 he and SA had a beef and on N-1 SA ends up dead. I'm also confindent that LaLight is scum but that's just how I feel not a lot of proof the third person who is mafia is pps due to having no clear side that he is on for anything or Haddock due to the fact that all of his posts are kind of aminous and pps and Haddock are constantly fighting so I think one is the third scum
1) Scum very rarely choose to kill people with whom they have had a major disagreement recently in the game.  For exactly this reason. 
2) My posts are "aminous"?  Is that supposed to be "ominous"?  If so, what do you mean?  If not - what do you mean?  Also, yah, PPS and I have had two or three prods.  We are not "constantly fighting".
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also,
And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
where are we getting that figure from, eh?
This could be a legit scumslip, I guess. Seems reasonably unlikely - it would rely on the setup having been rolled with all 5 modifiers, which is a smallish chance even with SA's flip.

Then lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answers
i'm not telling you to defend yourself, i'm telling you to come up with reasons that you ought to be alive. in spite of what the case with calamitas would lead you to believe, the reasons for lynching someone are not always gonna be how much they seem scum; if you're only gonna spend time defending yourself, then you aren't very useful for town. if you can succinctly defend yourself and then provide concrete reasons for why other people seem (un)suspicious then you will be an asset. presumably, everyone can respond logically to some arguments against them, regardless of alignment, and there's some things to which one can't respond logically to (e.g. posts giving some sort of bad impression, suspicion cast by nightkills, etc.)


First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs so
8-5=3
it says that the modifications all have a 50% chance of being present, in bold
Well one person I'm pretty sure is scum is McGarnacle because during D-1 he and SA had a beef and on N-1 SA ends up dead. I'm also confindent that LaLight is scum but that's just how I feel not a lot of proof the third person who is mafia is pps due to having no clear side that he is on for anything or Haddock due to the fact that all of his posts are kind of aminous and pps and Haddock are constantly fighting so I think one is the third scum
1) Scum very rarely choose to kill people with whom they have had a major disagreement recently in the game.  For exactly this reason. 
2) My posts are "aminous"?  Is that supposed to be "ominous"?  If so, what do you mean?  If not - what do you mean?  Also, yah, PPS and I have had two or three prods.  We are not "constantly fighting".
1.The probity is very high
2.Well there kind of hard to understand but that may be just me so If others think there not then that's their opinion
3. You and pps fight a lot
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Haddock and I do not fight. We remind each other of that one time when it looked hopeless and he wanted to just give up and I talked him off the cliff and it turned out okay after all. It's an important lesson and stands testament to the fact that you go down swinging because that's the game, especially when you're town.
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I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)
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I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)
He likes to debate so I feel like as scum he'd be more persistent and stubborn. 
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I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)
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Jake calls on everyone who is voting for him to tell why and tell Jake any questions you have for him
I will debate any grevices you have against me
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I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)

I already posted my disagreement with your position on him.
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I'm voting for lalight because I think he's more likely to be scum than Jake. But if someone posts a good case on Jake I'll switch. I haven't seen one yet, but there might be something I've missed.

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Also, Jake has run up early both days. He is an easy lynch if we need one. It's way early today to be trying to force close it with an easy lynch. Let's play out the day and get something better than where everyone stood on the Jake flip. I mean, if he's scum that would be super cool although I will look foolish, but I'm not getting a warm fuzzy he is a bad guy just yet.
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Also, Jake has run up early both days. He is an easy lynch if we need one. It's way early today to be trying to force close it with an easy lynch. Let's play out the day and get something better than where everyone stood on the Jake flip. I mean, if he's scum that would be super cool although I will look foolish, but I'm not getting a warm fuzzy he is a bad guy just yet.

His lynch certainly doesn't feel easy. It feels hard, probably because his partners aren't helping it.
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Also, Jake has run up early both days. He is an easy lynch if we need one. It's way early today to be trying to force close it with an easy lynch. Let's play out the day and get something better than where everyone stood on the Jake flip. I mean, if he's scum that would be super cool although I will look foolish, but I'm not getting a warm fuzzy he is a bad guy just yet.

His lynch certainly doesn't feel easy. It feels hard, probably because his partners aren't helping it.

Really? I know I'm town and that makes him L-1 if I vote. Clearly there's more town not on his wagon. In fact, all the scum could be there instead. Maybe the case just isn't that good...
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I'd say JReggie is Jake's partner. And McGarnacle should be the third. I solved the game, guys!
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Actually, i suggest you to think why SA was killed. This is strange really.
JReggie knows they can be a serious foe for example. I haven't seen any breadcrumbs or PR slips from them. Why SA? I can understand why not the IC (Though there's two explanations again: scum's too newbie or too vet) but SA is a really strange choice.
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Also, Jake has run up early both days. He is an easy lynch if we need one. It's way early today to be trying to force close it with an easy lynch. Let's play out the day and get something better than where everyone stood on the Jake flip. I mean, if he's scum that would be super cool although I will look foolish, but I'm not getting a warm fuzzy he is a bad guy just yet.

His lynch certainly doesn't feel easy. It feels hard, probably because his partners aren't helping it.

Really? I know I'm town and that makes him L-1 if I vote. Clearly there's more town not on his wagon. In fact, all the scum could be there instead. Maybe the case just isn't that good...

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.

I'd say JReggie is Jake's partner. And McGarnacle should be the third. I solved the game, guys!

Omgus much?

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Also, Jake has run up early both days. He is an easy lynch if we need one. It's way early today to be trying to force close it with an easy lynch. Let's play out the day and get something better than where everyone stood on the Jake flip. I mean, if he's scum that would be super cool although I will look foolish, but I'm not getting a warm fuzzy he is a bad guy just yet.

His lynch certainly doesn't feel easy. It feels hard, probably because his partners aren't helping it.

Really? I know I'm town and that makes him L-1 if I vote. Clearly there's more town not on his wagon. In fact, all the scum could be there instead. Maybe the case just isn't that good...

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.

Simple, at last vote count there were 4 votes on Jake. There's 7 people not on that wagon. 1 of which I know to be town. Out of the remaining 6 at least 3 are also town. Even if the Jake wagon is composed entirely of town there's at least that many town not on the wagon. In fact, there's enough people not on the wagon to go lynch somebody else entirely without any of the current Jake voters changing their votes. So, I disagree with the implication that town is doing all they can to lynch Jake and the only reason it won't go through is because scum won't help. At least 50% of town is not convinced Jake is the quick lynch today.

Furthermore, 1-3 scum may well be on the Jake wagon which, if the case, would mean that the majority of town is currently opposed to his lynch.
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Robz is making some pretty soft arguments and pushing Jake really hard over them. At first I thought his superior play was eluding me. Then I thought if he was scum he wouldn't play this badly. Then I remembered he hasn't played a game in since forever. So maybe he's just playing badly as scum.

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Robz is making some pretty soft arguments and pushing Jake really hard over them. At first I thought his superior play was eluding me. Then I thought if he was scum he wouldn't play this badly. Then I remembered he hasn't played a game in since forever. So maybe he's just playing badly as scum.

Vote: Robz888

PPS, you know this is the losing route (for town). I know you know this is the losing route (for town). Punishing people for trying to build cases that make sense to them while the lurkers lurk and don't contribute is so bad. You're a valuable vet, I need you to, like, go along with me here.
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Robz is making some pretty soft arguments and pushing Jake really hard over them. At first I thought his superior play was eluding me. Then I thought if he was scum he wouldn't play this badly. Then I remembered he hasn't played a game in since forever. So maybe he's just playing badly as scum.

Vote: Robz888

PPS, you know this is the losing route (for town). I know you know this is the losing route (for town). Punishing people for trying to build cases that make sense to them while the lurkers lurk and don't contribute is so bad. You're a valuable vet, I need you to, like, go along with me here.

The lurking is what is killing this game. For God's sake can we get a Prod: Fargo.
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Shoot, I wish I knew how more of you played. I've only played with like, 3 of the people in this game.
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Gah. I've been crap lately. Sorry.
I'll try to put an actual case on jake together tomorrow.  Right now I admit it's been very "scummy vibes from this post/that post" which could do to be more structured.

Shoot, I wish I knew how more of you played. I've only played with like, 3 of the people in this game.
I think this is genuine. Some town points for macgarnacle.
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I feel you Mc I know no one that plays
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While I know rr but not how he plays
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re: jake—there is a lot of intuition happening that makes me want to vote him, but when i look at all the stuff, i get an overwhelming feeling that i could just be totally, way wrong and everything could sufficiently be explained by him being a person.


but also, jake, you're not taking the hint. we don't care, like, at all about things that you say about yourself. if you got infinite time to consider and post-hoc rationalize the posts that you made, there's no way that any latent scumminess could come to the surface. we can find scums in this game because they make mistakes
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I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)
He likes to debate so I feel like as scum he'd be more persistent and stubborn.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?what? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)
He likes to debate so I feel like as scum he'd be more persistent and stubborn.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?what? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
What what?
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is there a version of jake that is more persistent and stubborn
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Definitely
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is there a version of jake that is more persistent and stubborn

Yeah. If scum Jake would be described as "persistent and stubborn," then the case against Jake is even stronger than I've explained.
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is there a version of jake that is more persistent and stubborn
By far. I don't know if he could express this online but he could up his emoji game and just go off.
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is there a version of jake that is more persistent and stubborn
By far. I don't know if he could express this online but he could up his emoji game and just go off.
PPe

Whatever.

Schadd, I'd love to see you join the Jake wagon.
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could (clap emoji) he (clap emoji) really
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is there a version of jake that is more persistent and stubborn
By far. I don't know if he could express this online but he could up his emoji game and just go off.
PPe

Whatever.

Schadd, I'd love to see you join the Jake wagon.
that is not news
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It is my firm belief that Jake is not scum. Over the Internet, I think he'd be a halfway decent liar. However, I think I can explain to you exactly why Jake isn't scum. This might be slightly offensive to Jake but I think that deflating his ego will be beneficial overall.

Let's go, guys.
Before we start I just want to point out that I know Jake really flippin' well. I don't think this is cheating but I've been hanging out with him for years. I'd like to think that I can analyze him pretty well.

Just a FYI, Jake would not listen to any coaching in the scum QT.

Another FYI, if he's scum we'll know at a certain point. Like D4 it'll become SUPER obvious.

Anyway, I have 2 strong points: His age and his claim.

Back when I started playing Mafia, I was some dorky kid. I'm still some dorky kid, but i'm just now realizing that was exactly a year ago. Oh how time flies!
You guys aren't taking into account the fact that Jake is young and new to Mafia. If those two things aren't combined, it doesn't really matter (I'm young and a functional member of the town, Calamitas is new and super duper good.)

But Jake is going to play wayyyyyyy different. And that's going to be read as scummy. #differentisnotbad

My second point is that he claimed VT. Now, I'm pretty sure this is an Asher9++ setup, but I don't understand those at all. I literally have no idea how this setup gets determined. All I know is that it's popular and balanced.

It's no surprise to me that Jake claimed


Never mind, I just thought about it and that point is moot.

So how else do I defend Jake? I don't know.

But the point is that you should listen to me. Jake hasn't been super helpful but that doesn't mean he's not town. I say back off and let the game run its course. Jake will probably slip up if he is scum.

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Man Robz you really absorbed the LaLight attack posts on me from D-1 after reading them over and over looking for a solid agrument against me. Possible scum alert guys. Not sure because he was great D-1 but now not so sure if robz is town
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So how else do I defend Jake? I don't know.

But the point is that you should listen to me. Jake hasn't been super helpful but that doesn't mean he's not town. I say back off and let the game run its course. Jake will probably slip up if he is scum.

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Terrible. You are defending him because he's your friend, not for actual reasons. Jake has already slipped up. He's scum. I'm sure of it. I'll stake my reputation--50 games!--on it.
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Terrible. You are defending him because he's your friend, not for actual reasons. Jake has already slipped up. He's scum. I'm sure of it. I'll stake my reputation--50 games!--on it.

That wouldn't be smart.

I find the defense pretty convincing. But I don't think it is a reason to suspect you.

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Jeez, how much more direct do I have to be with you people? I am a town PR, and I know that Jake is scum.
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And this is why I still call myself a noob after a year
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What's up everyone

!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.
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What's up everyone

!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.

Though if you had showed up 5 minutes earlier perhaps I wouldn't have needed to claim...
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What's up everyone

!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.

Though if you had showed up 5 minutes earlier perhaps I wouldn't have needed to claim...

And, hi! It's been, what, 2 years?
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And this is why I still call myself a noob after a year
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Easy rule for playing mafia on the Forums with someone you know (well) in real life: assume they're scum.
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!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.
I am indeed! Have not been following the game really, but I know the setup. Excited to be Town because then I can't be mislynched!
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What's up everyone

!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.
I am indeed! Have not been following the game really, but I know the setup. Excited to be Town because then I can't be mislynched!

Okay, well, here's everything you need to know, if you haven't read.

Jeez, how much more direct do I have to be with you people? I am a town PR, and I know that Jake is scum.
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What's up everyone

!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.

Though if you had showed up 5 minutes earlier perhaps I wouldn't have needed to claim...

And, hi! It's been, what, 2 years?
Hi! Yeah, it's certainly been awhile. I can't even remember the last game we played together.
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!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.
I am indeed! Have not been following the game really, but I know the setup. Excited to be Town because then I can't be mislynched!

Okay, well, here's everything you need to know, if you haven't read.

Jeez, how much more direct do I have to be with you people? I am a town PR, and I know that Jake is scum.
Nice! Ok, well, I'll be rereading. The game is has much fewer posts than I thought it did.
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So how else do I defend Jake? I don't know.

But the point is that you should listen to me. Jake hasn't been super helpful but that doesn't mean he's not town. I say back off and let the game run its course. Jake will probably slip up if he is scum.

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Terrible. You are defending him because he's your friend, not for actual reasons. Jake has already slipped up. He's scum. I'm sure of it. I'll stake my reputation--50 games!--on it.
Btw this isn't true. I actually want to lynch him more because he's my friend
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On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.
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Jeez, how much more direct do I have to be with you people? I am a town PR, and I know that Jake is scum.
If so what role how do we not know your not mafia claiming to be a PR to lynch me
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On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.
And what does flip town mean
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On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.

Yep. If I don't survive to Day 3--and in all honesty I don't expect to--I think silverspawn is my top scum read now, just based off of a wild hunch.
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Why in the world would you hammer this early?
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Then why are you killing me if ss is your top scum read makes no sense
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On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.
It's not that simple. If Robz is the Cop and Investigated Jake and got "Mafia" (Robz: don't say how you know he is scum, please), Jake could easily be Town and the psychotrooper power been used N1.
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Why in the world would you hammer this early?

It's not all that early, a little early but not crazy. I'm totally happy with it. Will keep this day nice and manageable for your re-read.
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On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.
It's not that simple. If Robz is the Cop and Investigated Jake and got "Mafia" (Robz: don't say how you know he is scum, please), Jake could easily be Town and the psychotrooper power been used N1.

This is exactly the conversation we should not be having, so don't have it. Silence time, wait for flip.
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Seriously you're killing me for no reason other than one person say so that stupid Vote: Robz
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Wait, could someone explain Jake's supposed scumslip to me? I read it, but I don't see how it is a slip.
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On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.
It's not that simple. If Robz is the Cop and Investigated Jake and got "Mafia" (Robz: don't say how you know he is scum, please), Jake could easily be Town and the psychotrooper power been used N1.

This is exactly the conversation we should not be having, so don't have it. Silence time, wait for flip.
And why not do u not want us to anaylze you like you anazlyed me all day. Are you afraid that we'll find that your scum trying to get me lynched
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Wait, could someone explain Jake's supposed scumslip to me? I read it, but I don't see how it is a slip.
There's no slip. Robz is apparently a power role and he uses his role to find out that Jake is scum
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Someone say something please I hate these long stretches were no one talks
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Someone say something please I hate these long stretches were no one talks
It's been 10 minutes
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Wait, could someone explain Jake's supposed scumslip to me? I read it, but I don't see how it is a slip.
There's no slip. Robz is apparently a power role and he uses his role to find out that Jake is scum
Big emphasis on "apparently" and subsitute power role with scum
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I know I'm just a VT and I'm viewed as not that important but robz claiming power role has confirmed my supisions that he is scum
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Wait, could someone explain Jake's supposed scumslip to me? I read it, but I don't see how it is a slip.
There's no slip. Robz is apparently a power role and he uses his role to find out that Jake is scum
Big emphasis on "apparently" and subsitute power role with scum
If you're a VT then we'll lynch Robz tomorrow and we'll trade 1 townie (you) for one scum (him). This is a good deal. This will be profitable to the town as a whole
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Jake, I really think you're town. However, Robz's information overrides any belief I may have. My faith has ben overridden by his evidence, in a sense
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Jake (6): LaLight, McGarnacle, Haddock, Robz, RR, PPS
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Archetype has replaced Fargo.
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Jake, I really think you're town. However, Robz's information overrides any belief I may have. My faith has ben overridden by his evidence, in a sense
There's no evidence one claim supported by nothing does not prove anything. Plus if don't lynch me now you have 6 days to figure out whether that claim has any merit if you think so then lynch me then but lynch based on a claim with no proof is stupid
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This is unfair ***********************************
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You've been dead for like an hour
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It's not unfair  ::) better luck next time
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By the way we can't talk about the game even though you're dead
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And don't post omce it says 'thread locked'
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But it doesn't now so I can rage about being unjustly lynched
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RAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Scum lord robz over here gonna kill you all
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But it doesn't now so I can rage about being unjustly lynched
True, true. But you can be 100% honest now with no consequences: were you really a VT?
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Yes!!!!!!!!!!
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The scum lord played y'all
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Into killing your town members
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Oh well. Not the biggest deal honestly. Mislynches are part of the game
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Yeah but if your smart you would have realized that robz is scum lord and would have lynched him
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And btw you have an awful record at mafia rr
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It seems like you've come to a decision. Finally. I was thinking you'd take all day. But look. You finally did it. And, as a bonus, you somehow got it right. Well done, seriously. I'm so happy for you guys. You all must be the favorite children of Subject Mother's Name Here.

JaketheBaseballGod22 has been lynched! He was the Turret!

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Not Voting (9): RR, silverspawn, LaLight, schadd, PPS, Archetype, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle


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The game is all but solved. There's a 90-93% chance that Jake didn't bus at all. It's really great
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anyway, that makes enough sense. watcher for scum is a super good exchange. my intuition and that of, seemingly, a few other people, was right about jake, which kinda sucks. i don't like when my intuition is right.


On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.

i don't like this one. "i am totally so proud of that effective lynch that i just did but also it is entirely dependent on some event and doesn't count"
except the thing that i said about my intuition still stands. so where do we go from here?
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anyway, that makes enough sense. watcher for scum is a super good exchange. my intuition and that of, seemingly, a few other people, was right about jake, which kinda sucks. i don't like when my intuition is right.


On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.
i don't like this one. "i am totally so proud of that effective lynch that i just did but also it is entirely dependent on some event and doesn't count"
except the thing that i said about my intuition still stands. so where do we go from here?
fixed. this is not a new problem
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Okay, now we know that Turret was overpowered, nice we killed it.

I will look into Jake's interactions, but for now feels like RR is his partner.
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Okay, now we know that Turret was overpowered, nice we killed it.

I will look into Jake's interactions, but for now feels like RR is his partner.

I really doubt it.

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And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.

There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as

shadd
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That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle

Wasn't there something important happening around McG?

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My case on RR:

1) Jake voted for him in the first post. Newbie!scum voting each other on RVS is a common case.
2) In the beginning of this day RR said that it's not likely that Jake was bussing his partner, so we wouldn't think on RR.
3) RR tunneled Jake, but then realising he did it too much started to explain why Jake is not scum.

About McG: nothing really strong, just his behaviour is much more different from the previous game.
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And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.

There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as

shadd
LaLight
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That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle

Wasn't there something important happening around McG?

I can see your reasons on everyone but Schadd. Why not him?
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And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.

There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as

shadd
LaLight
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That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle

Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
This is an awful awful list.

I very much do want to vote: schadd
He's been incredibly scummy from minute one.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.

There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as

shadd
LaLight
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That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle

Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
This is an awful awful list.

I very much do want to vote: schadd
He's been incredibly scummy from minute one.

Agree with this in its entirety. Especially the Vote: schadd bit.
He was all over me D1 for making a clear town play (albeit blunt and unwieldy). He joined me on the Robz case when my real intention there was to move the game to someone not Jake, not necessarily Robz. I should say I read Robz town and wanted to see who would try to go with me against him. I didn't ever read Jake scum, though. Too bad I was too dense to get the insinuation of PR.

I think I am going he easy mislynch today, though because of my interaction surrounding Robz/Jake. The easy thing is to say I hammered Jake for cred when it was really just the obvious town play.
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Haddock, schadd and PPS are the scummiest
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Also, Jake told (was it genuine?) that there's only three VTs so every scenario is here. That's kinda bad. Cop enabler... Should the cop claim now?

Nice we didn't lose IC yet.
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also I don't remember if I vote: Roadrunner
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Also, Jake told (was it genuine?) that there's only three VTs so every scenario is here. That's kinda bad. Cop enabler... Should the cop claim now?

Nice we didn't lose IC yet.

that would not be bad, that would be fantastic. The modifications are great for town across the board.

But I doubt it. Much more likely that it's a planted townslip.

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someone please lay out the case on shadd

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And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.

There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as

shadd
LaLight
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That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle

Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
This is an awful awful list.

I very much do want to vote: schadd
He's been incredibly scummy from minute one.

Agree with this in its entirety. Especially the Vote: schadd bit.
He was all over me D1 for making a clear town play (albeit blunt and unwieldy). He joined me on the Robz case when my real intention there was to move the game to someone not Jake, not necessarily Robz. I should say I read Robz town and wanted to see who would try to go with me against him. I didn't ever read Jake scum, though. Too bad I was too dense to get the insinuation of PR.

I think I am going he easy mislynch today, though because of my interaction surrounding Robz/Jake. The easy thing is to say I hammered Jake for cred when it was really just the obvious town play.
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I'm going to be away all day today. I'd vote, but I really have no idea of who could be scum. I'm glad I was right about Jake, my intuition is usually off.
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And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.

There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as

shadd
LaLight
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That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle

Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
This is an awful awful list.

I very much do want to vote: schadd
He's been incredibly scummy from minute one.

Agree with this in its entirety. Especially the Vote: schadd bit.
He was all over me D1 for making a clear town play (albeit blunt and unwieldy). He joined me on the Robz case when my real intention there was to move the game to someone not Jake, not necessarily Robz. I should say I read Robz town and wanted to see who would try to go with me against him. I didn't ever read Jake scum, though. Too bad I was too dense to get the insinuation of PR.

I think I am going he easy mislynch today, though because of my interaction surrounding Robz/Jake. The easy thing is to say I hammered Jake for cred when it was really just the obvious town play.
Did you intend to make a comment here?  Or are you just agreeing?

Something happening around McG, silver?  I don't remember that.  I remember finding him a bit scummy, that's it.

I'm going to be away all day today. I'd vote, but I really have no idea of who could be scum. I'm glad I was right about Jake, my intuition is usually off.
I need to go back and look at yesterday again since I don't actually remember who contributed to Jake's lynch before Robz's claim.  Certainly I don't remember you as a primary driver of the Jake wagon.  But again, that may well just be my memory.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.

There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as

shadd
LaLight
RR
Archetype
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That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle

Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
This is an awful awful list.

I very much do want to vote: schadd
He's been incredibly scummy from minute one.

Agree with this in its entirety. Especially the Vote: schadd bit.
He was all over me D1 for making a clear town play (albeit blunt and unwieldy). He joined me on the Robz case when my real intention there was to move the game to someone not Jake, not necessarily Robz. I should say I read Robz town and wanted to see who would try to go with me against him. I didn't ever read Jake scum, though. Too bad I was too dense to get the insinuation of PR.

I think I am going he easy mislynch today, though because of my interaction surrounding Robz/Jake. The easy thing is to say I hammered Jake for cred when it was really just the obvious town play.
Did you intend to make a comment here?  Or are you just agreeing?

Something happening around McG, silver?  I don't remember that.  I remember finding him a bit scummy, that's it.

I'm going to be away all day today. I'd vote, but I really have no idea of who could be scum. I'm glad I was right about Jake, my intuition is usually off.
I need to go back and look at yesterday again since I don't actually remember who contributed to Jake's lynch before Robz's claim.  Certainly I don't remember you as a primary driver of the Jake wagon.  But again, that may well just be my memory.

Silver asker for Schadd case. I quoted PPS's case.
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OK, so I did that, and MacGarnacle was pretty early on the wagon, so that's nice.

Other things of note:  PPS pushed VERY hard against Jake's lynch.  I know he's already gotten ahead of this point, but seriously, everyone, go look.  It's bad.

This could be useful:
Then lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answers
i'm not telling you to defend yourself, i'm telling you to come up with reasons that you ought to be alive. in spite of what the case with calamitas would lead you to believe, the reasons for lynching someone are not always gonna be how much they seem scum; if you're only gonna spend time defending yourself, then you aren't very useful for town. if you can succinctly defend yourself and then provide concrete reasons for why other people seem (un)suspicious then you will be an asset. presumably, everyone can respond logically to some arguments against them, regardless of alignment, and there's some things to which one can't respond logically to (e.g. posts giving some sort of bad impression, suspicion cast by nightkills, etc.)


First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs so
8-5=3
it says that the modifications all have a 50% chance of being present, in bold
Well one person I'm pretty sure is scum is McGarnacle because during D-1 he and SA had a beef and on N-1 SA ends up dead. I'm also confindent that LaLight is scum but that's just how I feel not a lot of proof the third person who is mafia is pps due to having no clear side that he is on for anything or Haddock due to the fact that all of his posts are kind of aminous and pps and Haddock are constantly fighting so I think one is the third scum
I reckon new scum puts exactly one partner in their scumlists.  So, PPS/MacGarnacle/Lalight, I reckon exactly one scum in those three.


also,
And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
where are we getting that figure from, eh?
This could be a legit scumslip, I guess. Seems reasonably unlikely - it would rely on the setup having been rolled with all 5 modifiers, which is a smallish chance even with SA's flip.
Schadd looks bad.  This was clearly a manufactured townslip, and this could well be schadd trying to help manufacture it.

I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)
decline.
Eww.

It is my firm belief that Jake is not scum. Over the Internet, I think he'd be a halfway decent liar. However, I think I can explain to you exactly why Jake isn't scum. This might be slightly offensive to Jake but I think that deflating his ego will be beneficial overall.

Let's go, guys.
Before we start I just want to point out that I know Jake really flippin' well. I don't think this is cheating but I've been hanging out with him for years. I'd like to think that I can analyze him pretty well.

Just a FYI, Jake would not listen to any coaching in the scum QT.

Another FYI, if he's scum we'll know at a certain point. Like D4 it'll become SUPER obvious.

Anyway, I have 2 strong points: His age and his claim.

Back when I started playing Mafia, I was some dorky kid. I'm still some dorky kid, but i'm just now realizing that was exactly a year ago. Oh how time flies!
You guys aren't taking into account the fact that Jake is young and new to Mafia. If those two things aren't combined, it doesn't really matter (I'm young and a functional member of the town, Calamitas is new and super duper good.)

But Jake is going to play wayyyyyyy different. And that's going to be read as scummy. #differentisnotbad

My second point is that he claimed VT. Now, I'm pretty sure this is an Asher9++ setup, but I don't understand those at all. I literally have no idea how this setup gets determined. All I know is that it's popular and balanced.

It's no surprise to me that Jake claimed


Never mind, I just thought about it and that point is moot.

So how else do I defend Jake? I don't know.

But the point is that you should listen to me. Jake hasn't been super helpful but that doesn't mean he's not town. I say back off and let the game run its course. Jake will probably slip up if he is scum.

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This isn't brilliant either.  But it's very RR, I don't think he wins the most-egregious-defense-of-Jake award.  That goes to either schadd or PPS.

I still very much like my schadd vote. 
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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convincing. I predict schadd/McG team.

vote: Schadd
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As scum I simply don't defend my partners. That's a thing I just don't have the stomach for. I mean if we were in the bottom of a game and it was clear we could win with some massaging I'd probably do it but as a general rule I do not, ever. No, my game is to look towny when I am scum by defending town.

Situations like today are precisely why I would never defend a partner.

I'm all about the bus, though, the anti defense.
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As scum I simply don't defend my partners. That's a thing I just don't have the stomach for.
Can anyone contradict this?  I need to have a look at my old scum game with PPS (I think I had one at some point) and see what that was about, but if anyone can remember specific instances of PPS defending a partner it would be helpful.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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As scum I simply don't defend my partners. That's a thing I just don't have the stomach for.
Can anyone contradict this?  I need to have a look at my old scum game with PPS (I think I had one at some point) and see what that was about, but if anyone can remember specific instances of PPS defending a partner it would be helpful.

In my only game with PPS that was not the case. He neither bussed nor defend SA but SA didn't need it actually.
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I'm between lalight, Mcgarnacle, and schadd. I honestly think scum!lalight and scum!Jake would go after each other like they did.

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I'm between lalight, Mcgarnacle, and schadd. I honestly think scum!lalight and scum!Jake would go after each other like they did.
I agree totally. 
Lalight could definitely be Jake's partner.  I even said something to this effect yesterday. 

That said, my scumread on Lalight has weakened slightly of late - still think schadd is the better choice.
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Unless he was coached, Jake won't bus. I do think the '3 VTs' thing was a planted slip though (or just a blunder by him/misunderstanding) so I'm not going to rule out the coaching possibility.
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Unless he was coached, Jake won't bus. I do think the '3 VTs' thing was a planted slip though (or just a blunder by him/misunderstanding) so I'm not going to rule out the coaching possibility.
What are you talking about?  He never had the opportunity to bus anyone.  Not really.

And I strongly believe that the first thing you tell a new scum player in a scum QT is "don't be afraid to accuse us, that's OK, we'll all look better if we throw some suspicion at each other".
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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Unless he was coached, Jake won't bus. I do think the '3 VTs' thing was a planted slip though (or just a blunder by him/misunderstanding) so I'm not going to rule out the coaching possibility.
What are you talking about?  He never had the opportunity to bus anyone.  Not really.

And I strongly believe that the first thing you tell a new scum player in a scum QT is "don't be afraid to accuse us, that's OK, we'll all look better if we throw some suspicion at each other".
By bus I mean call scummy in a reads list
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Unless he was coached, Jake won't bus. I do think the '3 VTs' thing was a planted slip though (or just a blunder by him/misunderstanding) so I'm not going to rule out the coaching possibility.
What are you talking about?  He never had the opportunity to bus anyone.  Not really.

And I strongly believe that the first thing you tell a new scum player in a scum QT is "don't be afraid to accuse us, that's OK, we'll all look better if we throw some suspicion at each other".
By bus I mean call scummy in a reads list
Then see the second paragraph of my post that you quoted.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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I just realized we lose if we lynch McGarnacle. Look at his avatar.

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Hi everyone!

Nice job Robz. Clutch move there. I totally thought you were the Cop, so cool that we still have them alive.

But how did Robz catch Jake? He had to of seen that he killed SpaceA, right? But that means he did it without using his Ninja or using his 2-shot Rolestopper. If the Mafia team was...

1-shot Psychotrooper
Goon
1-shot Ninja 2-shot Rolestopper

Why would you have your most beefed up player complete the kill? (Mafia cannot kill and use their powers in the same night). Why not the Goon? Psychotroopers usually use their powers on the first night (so, to the Cop: if you got "Mafia" the first night, your target is most likely Town) so he wouldn't want to complete the kill. The Goon would usually want to take the shot...unless they weren't a Goon!

The remaining Goon can be a 2-shot Roleblocker and/or Flavor Cop. The player more likely to use a power on the first night is the Flavor Cop (nothing to use a Roleblocker shot on N1). So, there is likely a Town Roleblocker. If one claims while I am dead, they are more than likely Town. I'm not saying that you should immediatly trust them, but they will have much greater odds than 50/50 at being Town.
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Also, I likely will not be sharing my reads. Sorry. You can lynch me if you don't like it.

Question for RR:

How did you go from this early in the game:
I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.

to this:
It is my firm belief that Jake is not scum. Over the Internet, I think he'd be a halfway decent liar. However, I think I can explain to you exactly why Jake isn't scum. This might be slightly offensive to Jake but I think that deflating his ego will be beneficial overall.

Let's go, guys.
Before we start I just want to point out that I know Jake really flippin' well. I don't think this is cheating but I've been hanging out with him for years. I'd like to think that I can analyze him pretty well.

Just a FYI, Jake would not listen to any coaching in the scum QT.

Another FYI, if he's scum we'll know at a certain point. Like D4 it'll become SUPER obvious.

Anyway, I have 2 strong points: His age and his claim.

Back when I started playing Mafia, I was some dorky kid. I'm still some dorky kid, but i'm just now realizing that was exactly a year ago. Oh how time flies!
You guys aren't taking into account the fact that Jake is young and new to Mafia. If those two things aren't combined, it doesn't really matter (I'm young and a functional member of the town, Calamitas is new and super duper good.)

But Jake is going to play wayyyyyyy different. And that's going to be read as scummy. #differentisnotbad

My second point is that he claimed VT. Now, I'm pretty sure this is an Asher9++ setup, but I don't understand those at all. I literally have no idea how this setup gets determined. All I know is that it's popular and balanced.

It's no surprise to me that Jake claimed


Never mind, I just thought about it and that point is moot.

So how else do I defend Jake? I don't know.

But the point is that you should listen to me. Jake hasn't been super helpful but that doesn't mean he's not town. I say back off and let the game run its course. Jake will probably slip up if he is scum.

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For PPS: What is the town narrative for immediately hammering a player that gets to L-1?
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For PPS: What is the town narrative for immediately hammering a player that gets to L-1?

D1 - because I said I would and town don't lie. In retrospect the wagons formed at the time were on a definite scum (Jake) and a likely scum (LaLight). At that point in time I felt we had a grotesque extension of RVS where some baseless wagons had formed and the basis for lynching one of them was that there was a wagon that could make it happen. Like, a completely circular self-perpetuating form of stupid. In order to mitigate this I swore to hammer anyone at L-1 so that the degree of wagon runup was limited. Also, I would never do this kind of dumb as scum because the potential to be forced to nix my partner D1 would be real; so I was positioning for a town tell in the only way I could do so. I figured there was no real loss to the game playing this way for D1; I would not continue the behavior beyond that. Also, also, I figured smart town would see it for unapologetic brash town play and dumb scum would see an opportunity to paint me scum for it so it was a bit of a scum trap. The touchy things with that sort of thing is separating out all the grey space in between where you have smart scum and dumb town confusing the matter. But, that's where I like to think I thrive and excel at the game.

D2- I trusted Robz was what he said he was. It all added up quite well considering how he strongly hinted it and even more directly to me immediately prior.
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uh oh. Everyone is wrong.

shadd is town.

LaLight probably town too.

I think Haddock has a good point about the one scum in reads list. vote: McG

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uh oh. Everyone is wrong.

shadd is town.

LaLight probably town too.

I think Haddock has a good point about the one scum in reads list. vote: McG

What happened?
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uh oh. Everyone is wrong.

shadd is town.

LaLight probably town too.

I think Haddock has a good point about the one scum in reads list. vote: McG
Wrong. Good chance schadd is scum.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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Look at that avatar, then reconsider.

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Look at that avatar, then reconsider.
Read schadd more carefully, then reconsider.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Still town.

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Vote: Haddock
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I thought I had slight town reads on ss and haddock but now I'm rethinking that.

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Ugh. Fine. Tomorrow I'll put together a full case on schadd.
It saddens me that other people haven't seen how obviously we need to lynch him.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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Ugh. Fine. Tomorrow I'll put together a full case on schadd.
It saddens me that other people haven't seen how obviously we need to lynch him.

I'm with ya man
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Ugh. Fine. Tomorrow I'll put together a full case on schadd.
It saddens me that other people haven't seen how obviously we need to lynch him.

Why is that?
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woof.
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Why is the IC not giving reads? I'm not arguing just trying to get my head around it.
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You give reads so that others can judge you. IC shouldn't give reads in general I don't think. Of course, at the end of the day, he should try to direct the lynch to where he think it needs to go, but not sooner.

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He was all over me D1 for making a clear town play (albeit blunt and unwieldy).
uh, no, as i talked about here. and, well, we get the bonus thing of how you hammered a town. clearly it can't be that dumb of a scum play
He joined me on the Robz case when my real intention there was to move the game to someone not Jake, not necessarily Robz. I should say I read Robz town and wanted to see who would try to go with me against him.
i have voted robz once, during rvs. i don't think i expressed any suspicion against robz unless you count disagreeing with him about jake.


I think I am going he easy mislynch today, though because of my interaction surrounding Robz/Jake. The easy thing is to say I hammered Jake for cred when it was really just the obvious town play.
is of course meaningless. i don't think obvious town plays exist, i think this is the sort of thing that merits more time to figure it out (especially considering that it says this setup is supposed to discourage towncred from claiming PRs). it is pretty easy, though, to decide, as scum, that if a partner goes to l-1 that you'll hammer them, because you can think about it in advance


in other news,
Ugh. Fine. Tomorrow I'll put together a full case on schadd.
It saddens me that other people haven't seen how obviously we need to lynch him.
cool! am excited


Look at that avatar, then reconsider.
well, the avatar is conf!town (recommended by sa). but not substantive


gonna do a readpost of rr. at the time of the tone, he is my top read (brrrrp) but that may change with a more proper read
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road runnerton259: stand by what i said around 454, like, how do you double back on something like that, as town?


701 --> 707: strikes me as a "the jig is up!" kinda post. like, sorta the same thing that i said about pps, you can resolve to make this sort of decision a lot easier if you're both scum. i cannot imagine it's an accepted thing that you go with PR claims each time, there's gotta be a possibility for some better idea.


737: sorta trying to wax as an evidencey guy, but i mean, the robz claim wasn't that exactly. hedging like that can't be good either, but a scum flip might be the exception


760: well, apparently you can toss your other read of jake easily, this seems silly.


787: thanks for telling us this after he died


the rest of the posts are just a puddle of whatever. vote: roadrunner

in other other news, don't see where, like, any opinions about mcgarnacle are coming from, like, which of the 16 posts are we thinking of?
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in other other news, don't see where, like, any opinions about mcgarnacle are coming from, like, which of the 16 posts are we thinking of?

This actually is the case. McGarnacle was quite active in Newbies Mafia. Here he posts something not really relevant and sits silent all the way.
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uh oh. Everyone is wrong.

shadd is town.

LaLight probably town too.

I think Haddock has a good point about the one scum in reads list. vote: McG

What happened?

@Silver, answer this please. Why is Schadd town? Why am I town? Why is McG scum?
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I was wrong about schadd voting Robz with me at the end of the day. On review that was RR.

Vote: RR
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Also Haddock. Would,like to lynch either RR or Haddock today for now. Further review necessary, though. Been nuts at work so will likely not be until,Sunday before I can do that.
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What's the vote coun? When does the day end?
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Just looking at the final wagon I'd let up on Haddock. He's in an unlikely position on Jake as a partner.
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schadd case, as promised.

Just going through posts one at a time here really.

Sheeping the IC is scummy vote: lalight

voting me is scummy (cause I'm town obviously)! vote: JReggie
how do you know you're town? is it because you know everyone's alignme- wait

Do you know it?
no
This is fairly tenous since it relies on Lalight being scum, but this feels very constructed between the two of them.

Just one example here:
vote: pps
But schadd throws his vote around all over the place trying desperately to get something to stick.   This is fairly early on, but way past RVS.  He very rarely gives good explanation for all the vote changes, they're usually attached to very short posts.  There's a LOT of fluff coming from schadd in general, in fact.  Lots of short meaningless posts.

Ooh here's another one:
i would say that baseball > scout + bird.


vote: roadrunner


Here's the first post in a big theme of schadd-hedging HARD on Jake.  Like, super duper hard.  The hedgiest of the hedging.  In fact I'm going to just compile a list of all the quotes that I picked out here as examples of schadd hedging on Jake.
i mean, if that's real, then that's pretty incriminating, although it might just be a nod more than anything. and also i wouldn't put it past rr to make something like that up.


jake, what say you?
oh also i guess it's sort of dependent on whether he's played mafia before. his introduction post made it sound like he did
  jake the baseball god twenty two: has seemed, like, not too good. i think he ought to be able to get a footing before we tear into him, though.
yeah, i don't really think doubting people for, like, the (un-)noobiness of what they say is reliable. or, rather, that's not the thing that feels weird to me about jake. the sense i'm getting is that he already knows a bunch of the language (just from experience) but there is a faint tang of, like, quintuple-wifom, like, he's clearly attempting to say stuff in a 'towny' way but it also sort of explicitly sounds like he's trying to say stuff in a 'towny' way, etc. i am willing to believe that he is a god, not only of baseball.
^^ OK I can't say this one here is hedging as such, it's just a cleverly-designed post, specifically made confusing so noone can actually figure out what schadd's read on Jake is.
of the current votes:
  jake: uff. at the very least, his posts seem, like, scripted. but so much so that i don't think it could actually be coaching or whatever. so, null
re: jake—there is a lot of intuition happening that makes me want to vote him, but when i look at all the stuff, i get an overwhelming feeling that i could just be totally, way wrong and everything could sufficiently be explained by him being a person.
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OK, hedging section over.  Now let's look at some other posts schadd has made that make him look like Jake's partner:

That's not a question
uh, okay, how about, what reasons do we have for not lynching you, and why would we want to inform you of things that you say that sound scummy to us? as it is at the moment, robz has provided a few reasons for suspecting you (that have been a bit gut & tacit, which is fine) and you spent a bunch of time trying to refute one of them. some other people, as well, have been suspecting you for a while, and i was sort of giving you a D1 pass. it's D2 now, and if you're gonna try to give us a reason not to lynch you, you won't be able to do it by talking about yourself, and we're not gonna tell you what about your posts rubs us the wrong way.
Coaching the newbie scumpartner?  I think so.

also,
And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
where are we getting that figure from, eh?
Helping Jake to construct the fake townslip.


I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)
decline.
Don't really need to say more about that.


OK, other things:

A lot of his posts are fluff, I've already mentioned that.  Lots of very forced jokes, trying to keep the most lighthearted tone possible.  Forced is a good description in general, I think.  This sort of thing:
sure.
vote: calamitas
i would say that i suspect pps and rr most, about the same amount, and calamitas a little bit less (i wasn't lying before, but yeah this last part has seemed a bit sketch). all 3 of these are better than no lynch for me, though, thus i will vote wherever a vote matters the most (which is to say, if any of these three get momentum)

This kind of rambling post, laden with qualification on qualification, "I think this, but this a little bit more, but not really previously, and this is why, (and only if this happens)", rings very scummy to me.


How many scum do we think were off wagon? Because there aren't very many still-living players there in total. Like, Silverspawn is the only person who voted for someone other than Calamtias at day's close.

for a while i thought that 3 scums would've had to be on it, or at least it would've been easy to manipulate somehow, because it was sort of hurried and close to the deadline (and that was sort of my motivation for voting calam), but eventually everyone did weigh in on it (except mcgarnacle i think). so i dunno. gonna reread space
Another example.  Why is he trying to give motivation for voting calamitas now?  Why is he qualifying everything he says?  And he's STILL hedging on things.  Not Jake this time, but still.

Also, this:
kinda confident about cal
Followed immediately by "whoops, shouldn't have said that, better backpedal a bit":
or, well, i haven't changed my mind at all


tl;dr.  Can we just lynch schadd now please?



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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Anyone care to respond to that?

Usually everyone comes later here. I agree with you here.
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Convinced me. vote: schadd

Also, yes, I am a lot less active here then I was in Time Loops. I'm really quite busy now, which is why I didn't sign up originally. I should be a bit more active now, with a major research paper for school done.
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Well, I thought I had narrowed down my scum reads, but now I'm not so sure.

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I was wrong about schadd voting Robz with me at the end of the day. On review that was RR.

Vote: RR
Funny, I also thought that was schadd and thought it was scummy.  Until that case, essentially. 
I don't disagree with your read on RR.  But I still think schadd is scummier.
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Well, I thought I had narrowed down my scum reads, but now I'm not so sure.
Care to be any more specific on that front?
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Throwing his vote around <- Town tell, scum is more aware of their vote
Talking about jake a lot <- Town tell, noob!scum tends to ignore their partner
Attempting to coach jake <- Town tell, any scum would be afraid to do that
"decline"-post <- definite town tell, scum would feel pressured to say something there

the last one is big. I'd really think twice about lynching him based on that alone

fluff <- can be either. some players are less fluffy as scum, some more. probably a scum tell for a new player

all in all, solid town. let's not lynch.

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Throwing his vote around <- Town tell, scum is more aware of their vote
Disagree.  This was throwing around with no explanation, desperately trying to get a wagon going.  Scummy

Talking about jake a lot <- Town tell, noob!scum tends to ignore their partner
Hedging, I said.  Hedging.  He never expresses a solid read on Jake whatsoever.  Which is exactly what scum would try to do.

Attempting to coach jake <- Town tell, any scum would be afraid to do that
Disagree.  Schadd is exactly inexperienced enough to try to subtly tell a newbie partner what to do.

"decline"-post <- definite town tell, scum would feel pressured to say something there
Mmmm.  MAYBE I agree with you there.

the last one is big. I'd really think twice about lynching him based on that alone
Which last one?  The last pair of quotes I isolate?

fluff <- can be either. some players are less fluffy as scum, some more. probably a scum tell for a new player
Note this kind of fluff.  He's trying to distract from the game.

all in all, solid town. let's not lynch.
Sigh...
See bold bits.
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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*"Not".  Rather than "Note". 
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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vote: pps
But schadd throws his vote around all over the place trying desperately to get something to stick.   This is fairly early on, but way past RVS.  He very rarely gives good explanation for all the vote changes, they're usually attached to very short posts.  There's a LOT of fluff coming from schadd in general, in fact.  Lots of short meaningless posts.

shortly after that quoted post, you did a post where you were a Cool Guy and Read Into It and also incidentally didn't vote on it. votes with no explanation that follow a post by the person you voted have an implicit "that post looks scummy to me." and you agreed with that implicit statement.



also,
And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
where are we getting that figure from, eh?
Helping Jake to construct the fake townslip.
this was me calling out what i thought was a scumslip (accidentally letting on that he knew the PR distribution) and then i didn't think it was lynchworthy was that the math checked out with a somewhat reasonable setup misread.


uh, the rest of it, in magic terms, resolves. i think that i was like that in ghibli also, just because i am quite not sure of things. this was the case with jake; i had a gutty read against him that i didn't really trust without any particular strong point of evidence; in fact, the roadrunner thing (i am totally confident you're scum, wait nvm) seemed to me like a pretty strong piece of evidence against the lynch.


"forced jokes" and "trying to distract from the game" you might have to elaborate on. i found in ghibli that it's super easy to place scum motivations behind stuff if you already suspect the person, and i don't really see how trying to distract from the game would actually ever work
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"forced jokes" and "trying to distract from the game" you might have to elaborate on. i found in ghibli that it's super easy to place scum motivations behind stuff if you already suspect the person, and i don't really see how trying to distract from the game would actually ever work


these posts are an example of that phenomenon:


I was wrong about schadd voting Robz with me at the end of the day. On review that was RR.

Vote: RR
Funny, I also thought that was schadd and thought it was scummy.  Until that case, essentially. 
I don't disagree with your read on RR.  But I still think schadd is scummier.
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Throwing his vote around <- Town tell, scum is more aware of their vote
Disagree.  This was throwing around with no explanation, desperately trying to get a wagon going.  Scummy
Just not a scum tell imE

Talking about jake a lot <- Town tell, noob!scum tends to ignore their partner
Hedging, I said.  Hedging.  He never expresses a solid read on Jake whatsoever.  Which is exactly what scum would try to do.
Okay, somewhat true

Attempting to coach jake <- Town tell, any scum would be afraid to do that
Disagree.  Schadd is exactly inexperienced enough to try to subtly tell a newbie partner what to do.
Doubt it

"decline"-post <- definite town tell, scum would feel pressured to say something there
Mmmm.  MAYBE I agree with you there.
Great!

the last one is big. I'd really think twice about lynching him based on that alone
Which last one?  The last pair of quotes I isolate?
The previous point

fluff <- can be either. some players are less fluffy as scum, some more. probably a scum tell for a new player
Note this kind of fluff.  He's trying to distract from the game.
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all in all, solid town. let's not lynch.
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vote: pps
But schadd throws his vote around all over the place trying desperately to get something to stick.   This is fairly early on, but way past RVS.  He very rarely gives good explanation for all the vote changes, they're usually attached to very short posts.  There's a LOT of fluff coming from schadd in general, in fact.  Lots of short meaningless posts.

shortly after that quoted post, you did a post where you were a Cool Guy and Read Into It and also incidentally didn't vote on it. votes with no explanation that follow a post by the person you voted have an implicit "that post looks scummy to me." and you agreed with that implicit statement.



also,
And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
where are we getting that figure from, eh?
Helping Jake to construct the fake townslip.
this was me calling out what i thought was a scumslip (accidentally letting on that he knew the PR distribution) and then i didn't think it was lynchworthy was that the math checked out with a somewhat reasonable setup misread.


uh, the rest of it, in magic terms, resolves. i think that i was like that in ghibli also, just because i am quite not sure of things. this was the case with jake; i had a gutty read against him that i didn't really trust without any particular strong point of evidence; in fact, the roadrunner thing (i am totally confident you're scum, wait nvm) seemed to me like a pretty strong piece of evidence against the lynch.


"forced jokes" and "trying to distract from the game" you might have to elaborate on. i found in ghibli that it's super easy to place scum motivations behind stuff if you already suspect the person, and i don't really see how trying to distract from the game would actually ever work
Maybe that specific vote was a bad example.  But you've done it a lot.

I still think it looks like a townslip that you and Jake constructed together.

I have no idea what your paragraph about magic is saying, really.

Possibly the word I'm looking for is "actilurking".  You have a lot of posts that are just guff, don't actually contribute anything but have lots of unconnected thoughts and words, not related to the game.  Like you're trying to look active without actually doing anything.

@silver, I still don't know what you mean by the "previous point", but whatever.


I still want to lynch schadd, but I guess I'm banging my head against a wall.  What are our other options? 
I could go RR, though Jake's stance on him makes me a bit thoughtful.  MacGarnacle maybe?

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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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"forced jokes" and "trying to distract from the game" you might have to elaborate on. i found in ghibli that it's super easy to place scum motivations behind stuff if you already suspect the person, and i don't really see how trying to distract from the game would actually ever work


these posts are an example of that phenomenon:


I was wrong about schadd voting Robz with me at the end of the day. On review that was RR.

Vote: RR
Funny, I also thought that was schadd and thought it was scummy.  Until that case, essentially. 
I don't disagree with your read on RR.  But I still think schadd is scummier.
I'm familiar with the phrase "confirmation bias", you don't have to use small words. 
That's not what this is.
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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The previous point. This one:
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The previous point. This one:
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I finally understand you. 

When you said "I'd think twice on lynching him based on that alone", I thought you were saying you would consider lynching him based on just ______.  So I was trying to match up what you were saying with something I'd called him scummy for - that is, I thought you were saying "oh that last point you make is a very strong scumtell, but it's balanced out by everything else.

So yeah I now understand what you're saying. 

I still think you're wrong.  But enough's enough, I guess. 
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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I'm familiar with the phrase "confirmation bias", you don't have to use small words. 
That's not what this is.

this is another example. i talk like that all the time always in any place
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I'm familiar with the phrase "confirmation bias", you don't have to use small words. 
That's not what this is.
this is another example. i talk like that all the time always in any place
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schadd (3): Haddock, LaLight, McGarnacle
McGarnacle (1): silverspawn,
Roadrunner (2): schadd, PPS

Not Voting (3): RR, Archetype, J Reggie


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hoping for Arch to be the voice of reason

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hoping for Arch to be the voice of reason
Dude.
No need for the passive aggression.
I've conceded that I'm not going to convince you about schadd. What else do you suggest? I proposed macg and RR as alternatives.  LaLight remains a possibility.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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I didn't mean to be aggressive. But there is someone who I'm strongly suspecting is town at L-2 and the IC isn't doing anything. I was hoping to nudge him into taking a stance.

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I think LaLight is very suspicious. He seems totally different (less helpful) then he was in the other game I played with him. Other than that, I have no idea, but Haddock's case of Schadd seems good to me. Has there been a re-read of LaLight?
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Pretty sure I'm voting Haddock but that's okay it was a bit vote anyway that I could reason out with scum. He's clearly helpful today if nothing else.

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Bait not bit.
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Well, I thought I had narrowed down my scum reads, but now I'm not so sure.
Care to be any more specific on that front?

Well, I had thought that two of schadd, McGarnacle, and lalight are scum, but now you and ss are candidates.

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In my opinion, PPS is almost conf!town.

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Also, wow. I just looked at the schadd wagon and I do not like it.

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Oh, and then there's RR with his whole defending Jake thing. I could go either way on that, so I'd like to see a response from him to that case. Maybe he did and I missed it.

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Oh, and then there's RR with his whole defending Jake thing. I could go either way on that, so I'd like to see a response from him to that case. Maybe he did and I missed it.
What do you want me to say? I thought Jake was scum then I changed my mind.
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Posting here. Sorry, I've been having a bit more spotty access than I anticipated. Thoughts from me should be coming soon, but keep talking.
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Oh, and then there's RR with his whole defending Jake thing. I could go either way on that, so I'd like to see a response from him to that case. Maybe he did and I missed it.
What do you want me to say? I thought Jake was scum then I changed my mind.

So, you were bussing for cred but backed out when it got real? What made you think he wasn't scum? Granted I didn't think he was either but the. I never did to begin with.
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Oh, and then there's RR with his whole defending Jake thing. I could go either way on that, so I'd like to see a response from him to that case. Maybe he did and I missed it.
What do you want me to say? I thought Jake was scum then I changed my mind.

So, you were bussing for cred but backed out when it got real? What made you think he wasn't scum? Granted I didn't think he was either but the. I never did to begin with.
I think it was his 'desperation' type of stuff. He seemed sort of like a kicked puppy, he didn't know what he did wrong but he wanted to fix it
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I'm having a hard time not setting RR as scum. vote: rr

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I'm having a hard time not setting RR as scum. vote: rr
Do you think you can accurately read me?
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I'm having a hard time not seeing RR as scum. vote: rr

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I'm having a hard time not setting RR as scum. vote: rr
Do you think you can accurately read me?

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I'm having a hard time not setting RR as scum. vote: rr
Do you think you can accurately read me?

What do you mean?
Do you have confidence in your ability to figure out whether I'm town or scum in any given game?
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I'm having a hard time not setting RR as scum. vote: rr
Do you think you can accurately read me?

What do you mean?
Do you have confidence in your ability to figure out whether I'm town or scum in any given game?

Obviously not, I mean look at newbie mafia, but this is just so obvious.

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McGarnacle (1): silverspawn,
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Well, I thought I had narrowed down my scum reads, but now I'm not so sure.
Care to be any more specific on that front?

Well, I had thought that two of schadd, McGarnacle, and lalight are scum, but now you and ss are candidates.
I do not like this.  But I'm trying to fight the OMGUS.  Do other people not like this?

I'm having a hard time not setting RR as scum. vote: rr
Too many people who are either conf!scum (ie. Jake) or quite scummy have been voting RR. 
That's starting to taste bad to me. 

Right now my reads go something like (scum to town)
schadd (yeah, yeah, beating a dead horse, but still)  > Reggie > Lalight = MacGarnacle > RR > PPS > silver >>>>>>Arch.

The dividing line between scum and town on that list is between RR and PPS. 
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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My reads:
schadd  > McGarnacle > RR > Haddock > PPS = Reggie  > silver >>>>>>Arch

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where's everybody? Who are we gonna lynch?
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where's everybody? Who are we gonna lynch?
My thoughts exactly.  I feel like only about two people are actually here and willing to contribute reads.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Prod: Archetype
Prod: McGarnacle
Prod: Silverspawn
Prod: Schadd
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Okay, so for me, the only 2 people who are all that suspicious are schadd (based on Haddock's re-read) and LaLight (based on the way he is so much less helpful then he was in Time Loops). I'll maybe do a full re-read of LaLight later.
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I think I'm okay with lynching Schadd.
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Okay, so for me, the only 2 people who are all that suspicious are schadd (based on Haddock's re-read) and LaLight (based on the way he is so much less helpful then he was in Time Loops). I'll maybe do a full re-read of LaLight later.
Much as I appreciate your agreement re. schadd, I find the fact that you're not even mentioning silver's response to my reread very suspicious.

I could totally lynch MacGarnacle here.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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I could go with McGarnacle as well. I'm suspecting a newbie team here and I've found its much more difficult to sub and get into a game as scum than town.

Vote: McGarnacle
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Alright. If Schadd's not happening, vote: McGarnacle
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Well, this wagon isn't composed entirely of my scum-reads, but I don't like the way lalight just jumped on it.

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Well, this wagon isn't composed entirely of my scum-reads, but I don't like the way lalight just jumped on it.

As I mentioned earlier, Schadd and McG are my top-2 scumreads. Voting for Schadd acomplished nothing, so I'm good with McG lynch.
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Well I was finding McGarnacle scummy earlier. I'll have to read to figure out why that was.

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I could go with McGarnacle as well. I'm suspecting a newbie team here and I've found its much more difficult to sub and get into a game as scum than town.

Vote: McGarnacle
I've had the exact same feeling.  I don't know why.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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OK, vote: MacGarnacle

This is L-1, I believe.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Well, this wagon isn't composed entirely of my scum-reads, but I don't like the way lalight just jumped on it.
Totally agree.

I'm still down with the lynch though.
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I am also still awaiting RR's response to this post.
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I will say I am fairly suspicious of PPS too. This response was much more in depth than I expected and reads like appealing to the IC. Also, during my reread, I found this:

Tell ya'll what. Imma hammer whoever gets to L-1. I love me some hammers.

That seems anti-town...

Maybe. These wagon run ups with no real intent are annoying. Besides I could be offline so it's like Russian roulette if someone goes L-1.

The question you have to ask is whether scum!PPS is just going to hammer Willy nilly like that.

To me, that doesn't seem like something Town would say. Then again, this is PPS, and he's done and said plenty of anti-town things like this in the past.

Why is the IC not giving reads? I'm not arguing just trying to get my head around it.
I felt like this as SK in mail-mi's last game when WW refused to give reads. WW wasn't an IC by any means, but it freaked me out a little because it made him unpredictable.
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I am also still awaiting RR's response to this post.
I replied to pps and that's my response to your post
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totally on board with McG. Much better than shadd.

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Let's see if he has anything to say before anyone hammers.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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currently at rr > mcgarnacle > haddock > pps  = ss > j regg = lalight. and then archetype


  rr i talked about already
  mcg is a bit more than an inactivity lynch at this point, though my 7 posts request still stands. tentatively voted jake but then emphasized it (which i suppose is also what i did, though i didn't vote him) and then scumreads me (the nerve! and also he did it solely as an agreement with someone else) as well as lalight (see below)
  haddock did a big ol' scumread of me, which of course rubs me the wrong way, but it also has a perfectly fine town narrative - i can imagine my posts reading scummy/hedgy, it's just that i always talk like that i think
  pps is a doofus
  ss is townreading me. i noticed. because it has boiled down to "seems good"s, though, i am still cautious (see the end of ghibli)
  j reggie and lalight both seem quite different from ghibli to me - j reggie is less flustered and defensive, lalight is more of those. confident enough to trump lalight also doing mcgarnacle's okay-i-agree-with-haddock


so, stick em up, mcgarn
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Let's see if he has anything to say before anyone hammers.

aww...
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Seriously, though, I'm crushed at work this week until Friday and I cannot get into the game too much at all right now (should be free and clear afterwards, though). I'm unopposed to lynching just about anyone but me and Arch.

My response to Arch's uneasiness, is I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. You asked and I told you; excuse me for being forthright and forthcoming.
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Anybody thinking McGiggles went to L-1 with interest in hammers way quick?
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I mean, we have till Saturday.
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Anybody thinking McGiggles went to L-1 with interest in hammers way quick?

I'm not. Everyone thought he's scummy actually. Everyone picked from either RR/McG, Schadd/McG, me/McG. So when the wagon formed, everyone picked.
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Anybody thinking McGiggles went to L-1 with interest in hammers way quick?

I'm not. Everyone thought he's scummy actually. Everyone picked from either RR/McG, Schadd/McG, me/McG. So when the wagon formed, everyone picked.

Where was Jake on McGlasnost?
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I'm a Vanilla Core. I admittedly haven't been very active for most of this game, but recently I think I was plenty active. I still think LaLight and Schadd are suspicious, but I'm starting to get a feeling that Haddock is behind an evil masterplan.

I could go with McGarnacle as well. I'm suspecting a newbie team here and I've found its much more difficult to sub and get into a game as scum than town.

Vote: McGarnacle
I've had the exact same feeling.  I don't know why.

This feels REALLY scummy to me, and this kind of just-supporting-what-someone-else-says thing is one of the main things I was accused of. Also, he seemed to really quickly move to my wagon AFTER having posted this:

Ugh. Fine. Tomorrow I'll put together a full case on schadd.
It saddens me that other people haven't seen how obviously we need to lynch him.

That's really all I have to say. Don't lynch me.

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Anybody thinking McGiggles went to L-1 with interest in hammers way quick?

I'm not. Everyone thought he's scummy actually. Everyone picked from either RR/McG, Schadd/McG, me/McG. So when the wagon formed, everyone picked.

Where was Jake on McGlasnost?

I think he accused me after I accused him, but I can't remember.
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vote: MacGarnacle
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I'm a Vanilla Core. I admittedly haven't been very active for most of this game, but recently I think I was plenty active. I still think LaLight and Schadd are suspicious, but I'm starting to get a feeling that Haddock is behind an evil masterplan.

I could go with McGarnacle as well. I'm suspecting a newbie team here and I've found its much more difficult to sub and get into a game as scum than town.

Vote: McGarnacle
I've had the exact same feeling.  I don't know why.
This feels REALLY scummy to me, and this kind of just-supporting-what-someone-else-says thing is one of the main things I was accused of. Also, he seemed to really quickly move to my wagon AFTER having posted this:

Ugh. Fine. Tomorrow I'll put together a full case on schadd.
It saddens me that other people haven't seen how obviously we need to lynch him.
That's really all I have to say. Don't lynch me.
agree that the first thing looks kinda weird (self-aware chuckle, etc.)
i don't think that he switched wagons very fast, though. he made it clear that he didn't think my wagon was going through, and you were sort of the global next-best. switching wagons is only weird if there isn't a town narrative behind it.
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Thats the hammer. McGarnacle, any last words before mail-mi locks the thread?
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Well, I read McGarnacle and he's surprisingly null. I think he just got hammered though so let's hope he's scum.

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lalight was voting him already
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Unless that was a fake hammer since it was spelled wrong.

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lalight was voting him already

Ok cool. It's not the worst lynch, but I'd still prefer roadrunner. It seems no one else is willing to do that, so I'd be fine with hammering.

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"All these science spheres are made of asbestos, by the way. Keeps out the rats. Let us know if you feel a shortness of breath, a persistent dry cough or your heart stopping. Because that's not part of the test. That's asbestos. Good news is, the lab boys say the symptoms of asbestos poisoning show a median latency of forty-four point six years, so if you're thirty or older, you're laughing. Worst case scenario, you miss out on a few rounds of canasta, plus you forwarded the cause of science by three centuries. I punch those numbers into my calculator, it makes a happy face." - Cave Johnson

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McGarnacle (4): silverspawn, Archetype, LaLight, Haddock {L-1}
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Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intent

This is why we can't have nice things.

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Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intent

This is why we can't have nice things.

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He claimed already, why do you need to intent
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oh
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Darn it PPS

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I was just setting up the pumpkins outside and PPS has to come and hammer.

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I was just setting up the pumpkins outside and PPS has to come and hammer.

Consider yourself as priest
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Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intent

This is why we can't have nice things.

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He claimed already, why do you need to intent

Hmm, good point. I guess I'm just so used to it being the thing to do.

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Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intent

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I was hoping to catch an admission from him that he was scum from the fakehammer.
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Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intent

This is why we can't have nice things.

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He claimed already, why do you need to intent

Hmm, good point. I guess I'm just so used to it being the thing to do.

You dropped the hammer and PPS was the one to rise it
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i keep liking the pps hammers because then i don't have to do a bunch of rereading that day but that is actually, upon further thought, a reason that i in fact don't like the pps hammers
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I'm likely to die tonight, but think RR may be town. He's almost too scummy to be scum.


I don't have firm enough reads besides that to want to influence Town.
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Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intent

This is why we can't have nice things.

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I was hoping to catch an admission from him that he was scum from the fakehammer.
oh, sorry. also sorry there were two vote counts immediately before and after
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Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intent

This is why we can't have nice things.

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I was hoping to catch an admission from him that he was scum from the fakehammer.
oh, sorry. also sorry there were two vote counts immediately before and after
Yeah. I was hoping mail-mi wouldn't update the vote count. Oh well. It's worth a shot at least. I think that's what LaLight was trying to do.
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Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intent

This is why we can't have nice things.

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I was hoping to catch an admission from him that he was scum from the fakehammer.
oh, sorry. also sorry there were two vote counts immediately before and after
Yeah. I was hoping mail-mi wouldn't update the vote count. Oh well. It's worth a shot at least. I think that's what LaLight was trying to do.

Exactly.
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Well, I'm dead. Good job guys, you figured me out. A bit of lurking is a clear sign of a scum in any game. Actually, just kidding, I was town and I honestly don't know why you guys killed me. I suspect Haddock and Lalight.
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Please, make sure my death was not in vain and get the last scum!
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Wow, I woke up and still no flip
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good morning!
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lets play dice roll war until then


Rolled 1d50 : 4, total 4
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i don't wanna play anymore
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You're scum now. I think I'm gonna sleep a couple of hours more actually
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
« Reply #931 on: November 01, 2016, 12:31:36 am »

"Science isn't about WHY. It's about WHY NOT. Why is so much of our science dangerous? Why not marry safe science if you love it so much. In fact, why not invent a special safety door that won't hit you on the butt on the way out, because you are fired." - Cave Johnson

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schadd (1): McGarnacle
McGarnacle (5): silverspawn, Archetype, LaLight, Haddock, PPS.
Roadrunner (2): schadd, J Reggie

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #932 on: November 01, 2016, 12:34:49 am »

You guys have done it. Well done, seriously. The Mafia really thank you for all the help you've given them. That's what Mafia Member Name Here said for me to tell you, anyway.

McGarnacle has been lynched! He was a Vanilla Core!

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #933 on: November 02, 2016, 04:31:23 pm »

I apologize, I misremembered when the deadlines were. Some of you have already received results for your actions. If your actions have already been submitted, they are unchangeable. If they haven't, you may still sumbit actions up until the deadline.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #934 on: November 03, 2016, 01:00:06 am »

I'm excited. It's almost over. I think I'm going to throw a party when this is all done. A cake party. With cake, and all your friends will be invited.

I sincerely hope you'll be able to attend.


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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
« Reply #935 on: November 03, 2016, 01:04:45 am »

"Greetings, friend. I'm Cave Johnson, CEO of Aperture Science. Now, you might be asking yourself, 'Cave, just how difficult are these tests? What was in that phone book of a contract I signed? Am I in danger?' Let me answer those questions with a question: Who wants to make sixty dollars? Cash." - Cave Johnson

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #936 on: November 03, 2016, 01:05:37 am »

vote: mini mart losing the World Series is scummy

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #937 on: November 03, 2016, 01:37:50 am »

And NOW i vote: schadd because there's absolutely no reason Haddock didn't tunnel him D3 if schadd is not a scum.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #938 on: November 03, 2016, 01:43:16 am »

:X:X:X that scuks

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #939 on: November 03, 2016, 01:44:43 am »

and yes, I'm aware there's a psychotrooper, but I don't think it was used so late.
Gone to reread Haddock.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #940 on: November 03, 2016, 01:45:54 am »

And NOW i vote: schadd because there's absolutely no reason Haddock didn't tunnel him D3 if schadd is not a scum.

I confused some double negatives. But i hope you got it, Haddock tunnelled schadd => schadd's scum
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #941 on: November 03, 2016, 01:47:16 am »

And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.

There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as

shadd
LaLight
RR
Archetype
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That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle

Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
This is an awful awful list.

I very much do want to vote: schadd
He's been incredibly scummy from minute one.

This is the first Haddock's post D3.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #942 on: November 03, 2016, 01:50:55 am »

First post of day 2:

and yes, I'm aware there's a psychotrooper, but I don't think it was used so late.
Gone to reread Haddock.

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First post of day 1:

About to get on a train, more later.
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Jake/lalight/schadd
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Might not have been late.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #943 on: November 03, 2016, 01:52:54 am »

Meaning day 2.

We only have two results. I think we can conclude that the guilty result was on shadd. Probably lynching is the best option.

But I wanna know what it was on day 1.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #944 on: November 03, 2016, 01:53:11 am »

... meaning Nigh 1, bleh.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #945 on: November 03, 2016, 01:53:25 am »

Meaning Night

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #946 on: November 03, 2016, 01:54:01 am »

looks like his N1 action missed actually. He didn't protect anyone hard and didn't accuse.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #947 on: November 03, 2016, 01:54:56 am »

When I say "missed" i mean like he copped SA for example.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #948 on: November 03, 2016, 01:56:56 am »

guys, there's still 5 towns. We can do it! even been losing every PR.

Also, Arch, congratulations! I've never seen the IC who's still alive D4 :)
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #949 on: November 03, 2016, 01:57:56 am »

And there's ine more thought. It seems Scum team has a flavor cop. They don't kill IC but are killing town PR one by one. And Flavor cop means we have a Roleblocker somewhere yay
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #950 on: November 03, 2016, 03:08:53 am »

Could be.

Does the Goon flip prove that there can't be all modifications? Not sure how they are attributed toward scum.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #951 on: November 03, 2016, 03:12:15 am »

Could be.

Does the Goon flip prove that there can't be all modifications? Not sure how they are attributed toward scum.

On flip we weren't told what modifications it had. Since we had Watcher and Tracker, Jake was 1-shot Ninja 2-shot Rolestopper but we weren't told that, so it's non-informative.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #952 on: November 03, 2016, 03:16:43 am »

Ah, I see.

In that case the fact that they IC keeps not being shot could also imply a doctor.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #953 on: November 03, 2016, 03:19:31 am »

Ah, I see.

In that case the fact that they IC keeps not being shot could also imply a doctor.

Man, that's not the case or there'll be no kill at all. We don't have any signs doctor exists.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #954 on: November 03, 2016, 03:20:48 am »

Town points to Silver here. He's not much into the game which is sad but quite ICs him.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #955 on: November 03, 2016, 03:24:25 am »

Ah, I see.

In that case the fact that they IC keeps not being shot could also imply a doctor.

Man, that's not the case or there'll be no kill at all. We don't have any signs doctor exists.

?

The IC is the prime target barring hard information about PRs. A doctor increases the odds of him being protected, which makes him a worse target, which decreases the odds of him being targeted. He hasn't been targeted, therefore the odds of a doctor increase.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #956 on: November 03, 2016, 03:26:24 am »

Ah, I see.

In that case the fact that they IC keeps not being shot could also imply a doctor.

Man, that's not the case or there'll be no kill at all. We don't have any signs doctor exists.

?

The IC is the prime target barring hard information about PRs. A doctor increases the odds of him being protected, which makes him a worse target, which decreases the odds of him being targeted. He hasn't been targeted, therefore the odds of a doctor increase.

Oh now i see! Sorry. Also this means we can have all 5 modifications and Jack's townslip was not townslip. Also this means we can not to be afraid of Cop Enabler any more.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #957 on: November 03, 2016, 08:28:05 am »

Yeah I was thinking that too. Jake probably scumslipped.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #958 on: November 03, 2016, 10:05:12 am »

Yeah I was thinking that too. Jake probably scumslipped.
Definitely
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #959 on: November 03, 2016, 10:37:54 am »

mcgarnacle's might have just been a town wagon; i don't know that anyone at all was against it other than mcg himself. that said, saying that you're gonna reread everything later in the week (and suggesting that the wagon formed too quickly) but then hammering later in the day, a week before the deadline, on somebody that was scummy yet sorta inactive, is totally textbook scummy and that pushes me over the edge a good bit


vote: pps

in the meantime, crudbutts. uh, i would ask, when would you psychotroop if not n1 or n2?
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #960 on: November 03, 2016, 10:40:04 am »

mcgarnacle's might have just been a town wagon; i don't know that anyone at all was against it other than mcg himself. that said, saying that you're gonna reread everything later in the week (and suggesting that the wagon formed too quickly) but then hammering later in the day, a week before the deadline, on somebody that was scummy yet sorta inactive, is totally textbook scummy and that pushes me over the edge a good bit


vote: pps

in the meantime, crudbutts. uh, i would ask, when would you psychotroop if not n1 or n2?

N1, not N2.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #961 on: November 03, 2016, 10:45:11 am »

I don't think the odds of doing it n1 are that much higher than night 2 because of WIFOM. It's a self regulating behavior.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #962 on: November 03, 2016, 10:47:00 am »

I don't think the odds of doing it n1 are that much higher than night 2 because of WIFOM. It's a self regulating behavior.

Well, yeah, but I'm inclined to believe Haddock and that schadd is scum.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
« Reply #963 on: November 03, 2016, 11:42:56 am »

guys, there's still 5 towns. We can do it! even been losing every PR.

Also, Arch, congratulations! I've never seen the IC who's still alive D4 :)
Don't congratulate me, congratulate your scumbuddies!

Definitely agree we should be going off of Haddock's read. I'll need to take a closer look at them.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #964 on: November 03, 2016, 02:34:28 pm »

Well this sucks. I was hoping for a cop claim today and for us to figure out which two results were true. Now we really don't have any idea what his results were, right? Like there's no way to know when psychotrooper was used?

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #965 on: November 03, 2016, 03:07:20 pm »

Yep, I guess so :( was waiting for it too.

So, @JReggie, @Arch, others, what do you think of lynching Schadd based on Haddock's tunneling?
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #966 on: November 03, 2016, 03:18:30 pm »

Yep, I guess so :( was waiting for it too.

So, @JReggie, @Arch, others, what do you think of lynching Schadd based on Haddock's tunneling?

I think that's a bad reason to lynch schadd. But luckily it's not the only reason to lynch schadd.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #967 on: November 03, 2016, 03:24:07 pm »

Yep, I guess so :( was waiting for it too.

So, @JReggie, @Arch, others, what do you think of lynching Schadd based on Haddock's tunneling?

I think that's a bad reason to lynch schadd. But luckily it's not the only reason to lynch schadd.

Exactly
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #968 on: November 03, 2016, 04:17:20 pm »

Intent to hammer schadd.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #969 on: November 03, 2016, 04:18:31 pm »

Intent to hammer schadd.

Wat
He has one vote :)
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #970 on: November 03, 2016, 04:20:57 pm »

vote: schadd
If he flips town I'm gunning for LaLight. 100% chance one of them is scum
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #971 on: November 03, 2016, 04:21:22 pm »

PPS and silverspawn are probably scum too though.

Man, I really bet ss is scum
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #972 on: November 03, 2016, 04:29:12 pm »

Are you serious? Someone unvote.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #973 on: November 03, 2016, 04:30:07 pm »

Are you serious? Someone unvote.
Why tho
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #974 on: November 03, 2016, 04:30:17 pm »

Are you serious? Someone unvote.

There's two votes, what happened?
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #975 on: November 03, 2016, 04:45:27 pm »

Nevermind. I saw the intent to hammer and figured he was at L-1.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #976 on: November 03, 2016, 08:10:12 pm »

I'm fine with lynching schadd, but we should give him time to claim. At this point, claims are verifiable.

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« Reply #977 on: November 03, 2016, 08:10:25 pm »

Intent to hammer schadd.

Wat
He has one vote :)

Correct, well then it was, he has 2 now so he is effectively L-1 now. I think he is defscum so I have no qualms voting him but I want the hammer so I called dibs on it.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #978 on: November 03, 2016, 08:13:43 pm »

Hmm, I missed that RR was on the schadd wagon. I doubt that he busses this much. I need to think about this.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #979 on: November 04, 2016, 09:10:33 pm »

pps


108 they were both town, lool
113 taking an mile from an inch. he does this a lot, which i would read sorta towny early on (trying to do stuff) and less so later
165 i already responded to in a huff (which i did for quite a few things)
205 was quoted in the huffing[ton] post. this is a silly attitude, what you say ≅ what you do in this game
273 huff huff huff huff
279 thanks!
282 was right about the jake wagon (4) and probably wrong about lalight (5). also, makes me realize that the policy bullies people into claiming before they maybe should, which is especially spooky considering that scum have been able to nail 3 for 3 PRs
295 i almost think that he realized how silly it is and is trying to get people to stop talking about it (it's "obvious," also "clear" as he says later)
356 in this and several posts around it he tosses around a scumread of me and then...
392 i'm his top townread. uh not a fan. townreads jake, which is uh also very odd considering that like everyone else is "would lynch" (and it uh makes me very uncomfortable there are exactly two people that he townread and that one of them is confscum and one of them is me)
369 at least he is defending jake here in a way that he didn't me
525 blegh. so, he did the thing he said he was gonna do, but that thing was generally a bad thing and this was a bad outcome, but also the guy was gonna self-hammer anyway (and a conftown would have as well). so i don't think this was a big deal, but i would say that it has a narrowly stronger scum narrative than town
561 is silly. defends jake (lmao) and mcgarn (whom he would later hammer d3, which is a ways away but still)
676 is just a big ol untrimmed hedge. i think it's especially gross that he used the "let's wait it out" argument that he would then totally ignore with mcgarnacle
683 reading very deep into the number 4
684 pushes a conftown, but confusing PRs (especially the informative ones) with scum seems like a somewhat common town thing (judging from ghibli)
717 probably the strongest point against the lynch, but for sorta the same reason as the calamitas hammer it doesn't mean all that much. the potential reasoning behind it for scum is kinda hard to figure out (hammer but hedge in entirety on robz, wifom, etc), but i think that it wouldn't be very controversial for either alignment (as rr said, 1 scum in 2 lynches is a pretty good deal) and there was only like an hour between robz's claim and the lynch, so opportunity was also quite important.
770 the aforementioned later. and i was a strong townread of yours d1, bub
782 describing your scum behavior is no good
795 uh sorta town? i only sorta understand the reasoning but talking a lot about it is too easy to mess up as scum i would think
843 oh ok guys. his vote (on the person who would later be revealed the cop, which i doubt town!pps could have figured out) was only a bait vote
889 i mean this is so bad. i'm worried that people aren't reading into this very much because it's such an obviously scum play, to which i would warn you, pps is the brashest scum player on f.ds. and apparently an experienced one at that. to get the facts straight, he's all like "hey how did the mcg wagon shoot up so fast!? there's so much day left and i can't be active atm" and then he hammers him later with no articulated position.


i think i like my vote where it is, in conclusion
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #980 on: November 04, 2016, 11:36:15 pm »

Alright, I'm down with a schadd lynch. I think thats the most rational explanation for who Haddock investigated.

I think PPS could be scum too. Haddock talked about him a little bit. I think as a general rule, the people who Haddock didn't really talk about are likely Town (so, like, RR and J Reggie). Why cast suspicion on people you know to be Town?

For a personal read, I think SS has a decent chance of being scum. He just doesn't seem to have posted much content like he using does.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #981 on: November 04, 2016, 11:43:30 pm »

If schadd flips town I will be completely flabbergasted, speechless even. I can also see scum ss but I feel about him the same as I did Haddock and I was clearly way wrong there. The difference being my odds of being wrong are falling by the minute.

Feel good about JR and bad about LL. Toss up on LL and ss. Prefer ss. But schadd is the clear winner of the vote today.

As for a response to schadd's frameup; I wish I could play this good of a scum game as a scum.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #982 on: November 05, 2016, 01:08:15 am »

Hey guys. My cat has a possible case of lily poisoning (yes this is a very serious thing) and I've been dealing with that for hours. I don't know how much energy I'll be able to put into this game until tomorrow or the day after. I think we lynch either schadd or RR and if one flips town then lynch the other. Sorry I won't be around to cast votes much.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #983 on: November 05, 2016, 03:32:54 am »

I'm like sure that Schadd and PPS are scum now.
Let's lynch Schadd plz
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #984 on: November 05, 2016, 08:42:12 am »

Hmm, somehow I missed that RR was still in the game. Jake, tho.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #985 on: November 06, 2016, 05:38:08 am »

are we stuck or are we not
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #986 on: November 06, 2016, 08:02:04 am »

I don't think so. We lynch schadd and then figure out tomorrow if we should lynch LL or SS.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #987 on: November 06, 2016, 08:21:02 am »

I don't think so. We lynch schadd and then figure out tomorrow if we should lynch LL or SS.

Yes, but we don't lynch schadd and I went to sleep yesterday, woke up and no one wrote anything. Are we wating for schadd's claim?
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« Reply #988 on: November 06, 2016, 10:32:37 am »

I thought we were waiting on another vote...
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #989 on: November 06, 2016, 10:34:53 am »

I thought we were waiting on another vote...

That too, of course :)
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« Reply #990 on: November 06, 2016, 10:36:27 am »

I'd like schadd to claim so someone (*cough* PPS *cough*) doesn't hammer him.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #991 on: November 06, 2016, 10:38:59 am »

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #993 on: November 06, 2016, 11:18:59 am »

I don't really love that
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #994 on: November 06, 2016, 12:28:10 pm »

If we assume that all 5 PRs are present, no claim is "safe". However, it would still be better to claim a PR in order to out the respective town PR (unless scum already has full information?)

Could be a sign of town, or of noob!scum.

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« Reply #995 on: November 06, 2016, 12:38:36 pm »

If we assume that all 5 PRs are present, no claim is "safe". However, it would still be better to claim a PR in order to out the respective town PR (unless scum already has full information?)

Could be a sign of town, or of noob!scum.

But do you understand, that if anyone now will come and say he's VT (and we assume there's 3 VT at all) then scum will know all the players who are PR. So VT is not only safe but gives scum much of the info!
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« Reply #996 on: November 06, 2016, 12:39:04 pm »

If we assume that all 5 PRs are present, no claim is "safe". However, it would still be better to claim a PR in order to out the respective town PR (unless scum already has full information?)

Could be a sign of town, or of noob!scum.
Or WIFOM.

But schadd is newb scum, so...
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« Reply #997 on: November 06, 2016, 12:39:17 pm »

If we assume that all 5 PRs are present, no claim is "safe". However, it would still be better to claim a PR in order to out the respective town PR (unless scum already has full information?)

Could be a sign of town, or of noob!scum.

But do you understand, that if anyone now will come and say he's VT (and we assume there's 3 VT at all) then scum will know all the players who are PR. So VT is not only safe but gives scum much of the info!

Sorry for grammar.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #998 on: November 06, 2016, 12:50:39 pm »

oh i returned to see when the day ends and found out that it ends on my birthday, nice :)
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #999 on: November 06, 2016, 03:31:29 pm »

vote: schadd if he flips town lynch rr.

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« Reply #1000 on: November 06, 2016, 03:32:32 pm »

vote: schadd if he flips town lynch LaLight
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1001 on: November 06, 2016, 03:50:38 pm »

don't lynch lalight
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« Reply #1002 on: November 06, 2016, 03:51:40 pm »

don't lynch lalight

Is he your scum buddy?

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1004 on: November 06, 2016, 03:54:56 pm »

schadd is on L-1 now btw.
Waiting for PPS and stuff
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1006 on: November 06, 2016, 04:06:31 pm »

also the pps thing seems especially stupid when it's on me. and uh i don't like that lalight is excitedly waiting on it, and i would dislike it for either alignment of his
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1007 on: November 06, 2016, 05:09:31 pm »

also the pps thing seems especially stupid when it's on me. and uh i don't like that lalight is excitedly waiting on it, and i would dislike it for either alignment of his
Well, I'm like 99% sure you're scum, so this is it, sorry.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
« Reply #1008 on: November 06, 2016, 05:19:26 pm »

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schadd (3): LaLight, RR, J Reggie {L-1}
PPS (1): schadd,

Not Voting (3): silverspawn, PPS, Archetype


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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1009 on: November 06, 2016, 05:24:54 pm »

Actually unvote. I want to hammer.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1010 on: November 06, 2016, 05:52:12 pm »

oh, fuff
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1011 on: November 06, 2016, 06:39:25 pm »

Actually unvote. I want to hammer.

So, if I'm getting it right, you want to hammer and PPS will only hammer so this is like a dead end.

Actually, this is huge scum point to JReggie. He voted Schadd (maybe looked into is PPS online) to bus and seem more town later but then unvoted with no actual reason knowing that PPS will only hammer and not vote, so now we won't lynch Schadd again.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1012 on: November 06, 2016, 06:40:11 pm »

Also, where's Silver?
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« Reply #1013 on: November 06, 2016, 07:46:59 pm »

Actually unvote. I want to hammer.

So, if I'm getting it right, you want to hammer and PPS will only hammer so this is like a dead end.

Actually, this is huge scum point to JReggie. He voted Schadd (maybe looked into is PPS online) to bus and seem more town later but then unvoted with no actual reason knowing that PPS will only hammer and not vote, so now we won't lynch Schadd again.

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i mean, if pps would only do the vote if it were a hammer, then it's a bad vote anyway
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1014 on: November 06, 2016, 08:50:45 pm »

Ok fine if no one else will vote, then vote: schadd. I'll get that hammer someday.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1015 on: November 06, 2016, 09:03:49 pm »

i mean, there's hardly been enough time to draw that conclusion
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1016 on: November 06, 2016, 10:43:54 pm »

i hate how much this feels like when people are sitting around and waiting for a flip. like, i imagine pps steps in and hammers and it's like, haha whatever, that's the pps thing, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, and everyone that's on wagon just says "yeah, i did it because of the haddock thing" and that
it was really just the obvious town play.
and there's still like a week left in the day and not very many different people have been vocal, and next to no one has presented any distinctive cases/reads, nor considered the possibility that psychotrooper happened on one of the two nights that it's by farthe most likely to happen. really, the last while has just felt like people making nonarguments/discussing the implications of my flip and creating a sort of illusion of unanimity



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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1017 on: November 06, 2016, 10:44:58 pm »

Vote: LaLight
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1018 on: November 06, 2016, 11:10:49 pm »


here is the sorta stuff that i'm thinking about, from ghibli
IMO we have two scums here and can't decide which one to lynch. Ridiculous
...while the wagons were on spaceanemone (which i would say was intuitive but not really thoroughly thought through) and j reggie (was scum). sa got lynched. lalight hadn't really made any case against sa to speak of, and in fact our IC was on j r, but people sorta stuck on sa


Guys I'm good.
And Gkrieg is bad.

There aren't 2 full doctors, but you're choosing the wrong person.

Guys. Wtf are we waiting for. vote: Joseph
at lylo, joseph was my top read at the time (and town :L) and after this i was sorta tempted to vote for him, before everyone had gone around and reread. j regg was my more empirical read that i might have come around to, and gkrieg was my top town read that i might have reconsidered based on how weird his readposts were.


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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1019 on: November 07, 2016, 12:12:28 am »

And now i realised one very bad thing. I will try to explain it and everyone needs to listen really carefully.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1020 on: November 07, 2016, 12:14:00 am »

Good night  ;)
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1021 on: November 07, 2016, 12:18:20 am »

If (and only if) schadd is town I lost us the game. Because the next day we will be at LyLo and now everyone thinks I'm scum so there will be like quickhammer in the first 5 minutes of the 5th day and scum will win.

Guys. I know I looked bad this day with pushing this lynch, but srsly Schadd was my top scumread and Haddock tunnelled him and then Haddock flipped cop so what else do we need? Yes, now Schadd is playing REALLY townie and that's because he's practically dead. But I ask you to look objectively and not be deceived.

tl/dr Schadd is scum. In the rare case he is not, don't lynch me, this only means I was mistaken. Nothing else.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1022 on: November 07, 2016, 12:29:10 am »

And now i realised one very bad thing. I will try to explain it and everyone needs to listen really carefully.
are you familiar with the concept of clickbait?
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1023 on: November 07, 2016, 12:36:00 am »

Why are you doing this lalight? Like, are you trying to sound scummy?

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1024 on: November 07, 2016, 12:42:30 am »

Why are you doing this lalight? Like, are you trying to sound scummy?

No, i don't! That's just a thought that stroke me in the morning
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« Reply #1025 on: November 07, 2016, 12:47:34 am »

And now i realised one very bad thing. I will try to explain it and everyone needs to listen really carefully.
are you familiar with the concept of clickbait?

Yup :) i was in the bed with the phone and understood i need a computer to write the long post.
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« Reply #1026 on: November 07, 2016, 05:49:36 am »

Actually you can look at me tunneling PPS hard after scumslip in NM8. That's the very same thing I'm doing now.
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« Reply #1027 on: November 07, 2016, 06:49:51 am »

OMG staup just tell us
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1029 on: November 07, 2016, 08:42:55 am »

And now i realised one very bad thing. I will try to explain it and everyone needs to listen really carefully.
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« Reply #1030 on: November 07, 2016, 08:46:23 am »

If (and only if) schadd is town I lost us the game. Because the next day we will be at LyLo and now everyone thinks I'm scum so there will be like quickhammer in the first 5 minutes of the 5th day and scum will win.

Guys. I know I looked bad this day with pushing this lynch, but srsly Schadd was my top scumread and Haddock tunnelled him and then Haddock flipped cop so what else do we need? Yes, now Schadd is playing REALLY townie and that's because he's practically dead. But I ask you to look objectively and not be deceived.

tl/dr Schadd is scum. In the rare case he is not, don't lynch me, this only means I was mistaken. Nothing else.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1031 on: November 07, 2016, 10:00:00 am »

If (and only if) schadd is town I lost us the game. Because the next day we will be at LyLo and now everyone thinks I'm scum so there will be like quickhammer in the first 5 minutes of the 5th day and scum will win.

Guys. I know I looked bad this day with pushing this lynch, but srsly Schadd was my top scumread and Haddock tunnelled him and then Haddock flipped cop so what else do we need? Yes, now Schadd is playing REALLY townie and that's because he's practically dead. But I ask you to look objectively and not be deceived.

tl/dr Schadd is scum. In the rare case he is not, don't lynch me, this only means I was mistaken. Nothing else.

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I think you overestimate the certainty. While you are a top scumread for me I am equally if not ore so suspicious of ss. Not to mention much of the concern you express for yourself I feel for myself.

That said, it seems very odd to be positioning yourself so strongly today when you are not the one everyone is keen to lynch.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1032 on: November 07, 2016, 10:04:15 am »

If (and only if) schadd is town I lost us the game. Because the next day we will be at LyLo and now everyone thinks I'm scum so there will be like quickhammer in the first 5 minutes of the 5th day and scum will win.

Guys. I know I looked bad this day with pushing this lynch, but srsly Schadd was my top scumread and Haddock tunnelled him and then Haddock flipped cop so what else do we need? Yes, now Schadd is playing REALLY townie and that's because he's practically dead. But I ask you to look objectively and not be deceived.

tl/dr Schadd is scum. In the rare case he is not, don't lynch me, this only means I was mistaken. Nothing else.

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This is the super important thing that we have to listen really carefully to?

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1033 on: November 07, 2016, 10:05:43 am »

If (and only if) schadd is town I lost us the game. Because the next day we will be at LyLo and now everyone thinks I'm scum so there will be like quickhammer in the first 5 minutes of the 5th day and scum will win.

Guys. I know I looked bad this day with pushing this lynch, but srsly Schadd was my top scumread and Haddock tunnelled him and then Haddock flipped cop so what else do we need? Yes, now Schadd is playing REALLY townie and that's because he's practically dead. But I ask you to look objectively and not be deceived.

tl/dr Schadd is scum. In the rare case he is not, don't lynch me, this only means I was mistaken. Nothing else.

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I think you overestimate the certainty. While you are a top scumread for me I am equally if not ore so suspicious of ss. Not to mention much of the concern you express for yourself I feel for myself.

That said, it seems very odd to be positioning yourself so strongly today when you are not the one everyone is keen to lynch.

Maybe I'm overestimating it, you're right. But I do what I did in Newbie and at least three people now say I'm scum (you, RR, JR)
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1034 on: November 07, 2016, 10:07:03 am »

If (and only if) schadd is town I lost us the game. Because the next day we will be at LyLo and now everyone thinks I'm scum so there will be like quickhammer in the first 5 minutes of the 5th day and scum will win.

Guys. I know I looked bad this day with pushing this lynch, but srsly Schadd was my top scumread and Haddock tunnelled him and then Haddock flipped cop so what else do we need? Yes, now Schadd is playing REALLY townie and that's because he's practically dead. But I ask you to look objectively and not be deceived.

tl/dr Schadd is scum. In the rare case he is not, don't lynch me, this only means I was mistaken. Nothing else.

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This is the super important thing that we have to listen really carefully to?

That was too much hype. I thought PPS scumslipped.

Oh I'm sorry it was not so important :) I was afraid Schadd will be lynched, for some strange coincidence flip town and I will be quickhammered the next day and we'll lose, so it was important for me then.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1035 on: November 07, 2016, 10:18:08 am »

And do you realize it sounds like you know he's town and want to make an excuse so we don't lynch you tomorrow?

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1036 on: November 07, 2016, 10:24:09 am »

And do you realize it sounds like you know he's town and want to make an excuse so we don't lynch you tomorrow?

That would be unforgiveably bad play, sorry. I'm still sure he's scum.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1037 on: November 07, 2016, 10:27:15 am »

And do you realize it sounds like you know he's town and want to make an excuse so we don't lynch you tomorrow?

Now I see. Okay. I didn't even think you should think that. All I wanted to do was to make sure we don't lose. Come on! I'm not so newb, really! We can't be 100% sure Schadd is scum, but as I mentioned some times earlier he has a good probability to be one.

God I didn't even realise you would think I made this post being scum.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1038 on: November 07, 2016, 12:03:26 pm »

Vote: shadd. That's L-1.

I think we should go ahead and lynch schadd. Haddock's behavior the previous day doesn't really make that much sense if schadd isn't scum. He's been towny now, but he's about to die anyway. I think LaLight latest posts are scummy - regardless of what schadd's alignment is. It could be a way to distance himself from a Town lynch as scum or earn some towncred knowing that schadd will flip scum but he's his partner.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1039 on: November 07, 2016, 12:03:54 pm »

*Vote: schadd
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1040 on: November 07, 2016, 12:07:03 pm »

Haddock's behavior the previous day doesn't really make that much sense if schadd isn't scum.
uh, yes it does, because of psychotrooper. cop can get a false positive. his behavior really doesn't make sense if he didn't get a scum result from copping me but that's it
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1041 on: November 07, 2016, 01:13:29 pm »

Haddock's behavior the previous day doesn't really make that much sense if schadd isn't scum.
uh, yes it does, because of psychotrooper. cop can get a false positive. his behavior really doesn't make sense if he didn't get a scum result from copping me but that's it
I find it unlikely that the psychotrooper wouldn't be used this late in the game.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1042 on: November 07, 2016, 01:13:50 pm »

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1043 on: November 07, 2016, 01:15:11 pm »

Haddock's behavior the previous day doesn't really make that much sense if schadd isn't scum.
uh, yes it does, because of psychotrooper. cop can get a false positive. his behavior really doesn't make sense if he didn't get a scum result from copping me but that's it
I find it unlikely that the psychotrooper wouldn't be used this late in the game.
the two nights that preceded haddock's tunneling of me were N1 and N2
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1044 on: November 07, 2016, 01:18:41 pm »

I'm Quite sure it was used N1, it's the most useful in N1.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1045 on: November 07, 2016, 01:24:34 pm »

because, ofc, claiming cop d2 is a very good idea and the n1 cop is the one that people would be the most confident about
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1046 on: November 07, 2016, 01:30:58 pm »

If you look at past iterations of the setup, Psychotrooper is typically used N1. WIFOM and all that might make that not to be the case, but I think that's the safest choice unless there is a Cop Enabler. Based on Haddock's tunneling of you, he either investigated someone earlier in the game who flipped the opposite alignment (confirming the psychotrooper uses earlier) or he figured that the psychotrooper wouldn't be used that late. Haddock is a good enough player that I'll take his case assessment for what it is.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1047 on: November 07, 2016, 01:51:18 pm »

cool. vote: schadd
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1048 on: November 07, 2016, 01:52:25 pm »

whoof! that was fun
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1049 on: November 07, 2016, 02:17:07 pm »

Was that a self hammer? I have no idea what that says about his alignment. If he's scum it probably means his partner is on the wagon, as he would want to give his partner a chance to hammer for town cred. But then again maybe it's just a newb thing. If he's town he just wants to confirm his alignment and end the pointless discussion.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
« Reply #1050 on: November 07, 2016, 02:20:52 pm »

"Thank you - I can't believe I'm thanking these people - for staggering your way through Aperture Science's propulsion gel testing. You've made some real contributions to society for a change, and for that, humanity is grateful." - Cave Johnson

Vote Count 4.final

schadd (4): LaLight, J Reggie, Archetype, schadd
LaLight (1): RR

Not Voting (2): silverspawn, PPS


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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1051 on: November 07, 2016, 02:26:13 pm »

Are you excited for your surprise? Because I am. It's going to be great for one of all of us.

schadd has been lynched! He was the Anger Core!

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1052 on: November 09, 2016, 11:59:34 am »

I must say, all you good cores are really really good at at least one thing:

Getting disassembled.


LaLight has been killed! He was the Space Core!

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
« Reply #1053 on: November 09, 2016, 12:03:55 pm »

"For god's sake, you're BOXES with LEGS! It's, it's literally your only purpose! Walking onto buttons! How can you not do the one thing you were designed for?!" - Wheatley

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1054 on: November 09, 2016, 12:04:00 pm »

Dangit. LaLight was pretty much conf!Town after that. That's probably why he died, but it sucks he was our Tracker 2.0 too.

That's awesome schadd flipped scum though.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1055 on: November 09, 2016, 12:11:47 pm »

So if people actually believe I'm town this might be winnable.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1056 on: November 09, 2016, 12:22:46 pm »

I am a Roleblocker.

Night 1 I targeted Space
Night 2 I targeted shadd
Night 3 I targeted PPS

PPS is an IC.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1057 on: November 09, 2016, 12:24:09 pm »

Scum is RR or J Reggie. We have enough time to lynch both.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1058 on: November 09, 2016, 12:28:40 pm »

Ok cool, PPS is IC.  I townread him anyway.  LaLight was my top scumread though.  So either RR is scum or SS is lying.  I'm leaning towards RR being scum.  vote: RR

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1059 on: November 09, 2016, 12:32:09 pm »

I thought PPS was the most scumread one, hence the target.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1060 on: November 09, 2016, 01:39:40 pm »

Oh wow, that's nice. I'd like to see SS's reasoning for his other two targets.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1061 on: November 09, 2016, 01:40:23 pm »

Also kind of suspicious he claimed RB...I thought he had a decent chance of being scum.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1062 on: November 09, 2016, 02:14:41 pm »

Actually, we have to lynch RR today.  I have a plan. 

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1063 on: November 09, 2016, 02:25:11 pm »

Oh wow, that's nice. I'd like to see SS's reasoning for his other two targets.
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I usually target townreads as RB because scum usually lets the towniest person do the NK

So yeah I did actually townread shadd. That was real. And then I had my innocent result on top of it.

SA also a townread

Tonight was different, then, because there's only one scum left. Now the RB is basically a cop result, so I factored who I thought was scum and who I thought would be mislynched as town and PPS was both.

My reads are probably garbage though, so even though the logic of those targets is good I think, they're still dependent on reads ... and so probably pretty random

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1064 on: November 09, 2016, 02:42:06 pm »

Pretty bold play by silverspawn if he is scum. I dig it.

My reads have been awful all game long (except schadd who was clearly scum). I was certain it was either lalight or silverspawn today. I was also certain either I or Arch were dead last night. Clearly scum is killing the PRs and there were many. Scum would then know what fake claim to cook up today. However, does scum create an IC? That makes no sense at all because we get 2 shots at finding scum and having 2 ICs makes it almost impossible to screw that up, right? We'd have to mislynch today and then lose Arch tonight and then it's me, SS, and the leftover tomorrow. The leftover would have to be convinced I was scum over SS then and that's not likely.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1065 on: November 09, 2016, 02:42:52 pm »

By the way I think it's JR but I need to do some quick rereading. I suspected him early on and it seems I remember RR tunneling Jake hard and early beyond simple bussing.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1066 on: November 09, 2016, 02:43:55 pm »

Also JR getting a quick vote on RR when voting right now is bad deal until we all weigh in looks scummy.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1067 on: November 09, 2016, 02:46:07 pm »

Oh yeah, and if we whiff today and SS RBs the other it's confirmed... so I think we are pretty much going to win.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1068 on: November 09, 2016, 02:47:56 pm »

One more crazy thought. SS is scum. He claims RB (I'm not even trying to parse the setup, that always gets me killed). He convinces us to mislynch a townie today. He refuses NK tonight and we are convinced to kill another townie tomorrow. That night he NKs one of the ICs. Boom, he wins. Right?
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1069 on: November 09, 2016, 02:48:24 pm »

Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it.  We lynch RR today.  If he flips scum, we win, great.  If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum.  Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good. 

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1070 on: November 09, 2016, 02:49:02 pm »

My plan should be failsafe unless you lynch me.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1071 on: November 09, 2016, 02:49:49 pm »

One more crazy thought. SS is scum. He claims RB (I'm not even trying to parse the setup, that always gets me killed). He convinces us to mislynch a townie today. He refuses NK tonight and we are convinced to kill another townie tomorrow. That night he NKs one of the ICs. Boom, he wins. Right?

Ignoring any setup holes this actually works out so we have to distrust the RB claim to some extent.
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« Reply #1072 on: November 09, 2016, 02:51:01 pm »

Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it.  We lynch RR today.  If he flips scum, we win, great.  If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum.  Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.

no sir. When he refuses to NK he claims he RB'd you, we will kill you. then he NKs the next night and wins.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1073 on: November 09, 2016, 02:52:12 pm »

Can we just kill J Reggie? If we don't I'll probably die then the town will be sad.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1074 on: November 09, 2016, 02:52:22 pm »

I'm inclined to lynch JR today because I believe SS more than I don't and then lynch SS tomorrow. If RR is scum he laughs all the way to the bank.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1075 on: November 09, 2016, 02:53:05 pm »

Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it.  We lynch RR today.  If he flips scum, we win, great.  If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum.  Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.

no sir. When he refuses to NK he claims he RB'd you, we will kill you. then he NKs the next night and wins.

Why would you do that though?

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1076 on: November 09, 2016, 02:53:16 pm »

So PPS is 100% an IC, right? There are no edge cases?
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1077 on: November 09, 2016, 02:54:05 pm »

Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it.  We lynch RR today.  If he flips scum, we win, great.  If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum.  Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.

no sir. When he refuses to NK he claims he RB'd you, we will kill you. then he NKs the next night and wins.

Why would you do that though?

Because the claim looks pretty legit if no NK happens.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1078 on: November 09, 2016, 02:54:35 pm »

So PPS is 100% an IC, right? There are no edge cases?

Edge case is SS is town but totally lying.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1079 on: November 09, 2016, 02:55:29 pm »

So PPS is 100% an IC, right? There are no edge cases?

Edge case is SS is town but totally lying.
Yeah I think I'm gonna trust SS on this one
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1080 on: November 09, 2016, 02:55:45 pm »

Or could he be scum?
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1081 on: November 09, 2016, 02:55:54 pm »

Can someone who is good at setups tell me if the RB claim is a super duper strong one, as in there must be one because we already flipped the alternating scum role? If so, no counterclaim is paramount to credibility.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1082 on: November 09, 2016, 02:56:40 pm »

Or could he be scum?

Yes, SS could be scum. I'm still an IC as a result because there are not 2 scum left. But the big problem I'm chewing on right now is the one where SS is scum and we all die believing his RB claim.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1083 on: November 09, 2016, 02:56:48 pm »

Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it.  We lynch RR today.  If he flips scum, we win, great.  If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum.  Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.

no sir. When he refuses to NK he claims he RB'd you, we will kill you. then he NKs the next night and wins.

Why would you do that though?

Because the claim looks pretty legit if no NK happens.

But that's the thing.  We've discussed this.  Say RR does flip town.  We know that SS has to no-kill, or else he insta-loses.  There is literally no way to go wrong from my perspective.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1084 on: November 09, 2016, 02:57:24 pm »

Can someone who is good at setups tell me if the RB claim is a super duper strong one, as in there must be one because we already flipped the alternating scum role? If so, no counterclaim is paramount to credibility.

Scum roles don't flip with their powers.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1085 on: November 09, 2016, 02:57:47 pm »

@J Reggie if you're so confident why don't we switch you and me in your plan?
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1086 on: November 09, 2016, 02:59:05 pm »

@J Reggie if you're so confident why don't we switch you and me in your plan?

Because you might be scum.  I know I'm town, so lynching you is 100% better than lynching me.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1087 on: November 09, 2016, 02:59:18 pm »

So -- if we mislynch today, we're 4. Blocking scum then doesn't really do anything, because scum will no-kill for sure.

But there might be something, it depends on how this is ruled...

How are deliberate no-kill -> deliberate nolnych cycles handled, if they start with a no-kill?

The hope is this: if it is ruled in such a way that no-one can no-X three times, in a row, then I can IC myself. This is how it'd work in detail

1. We Lynch Town [now we're 4 with one scum]
2. I RB scum, scum no-kills, you suspect I might be scum no-killing [first no-kill]
3. we no-lynch [first no-lynch]
4. I RB scum, scum no-kills, you suspect I might be scum no-killing [second no-kill]
5. we no-lynch [second no-lynch]
 >> Now Scum can no longer submit No-kill <<
6. I RB scum, scum tries to shoot, no-one dies. Now you know I am an IC because, as scum, I'd have had to kill someone. I can't RB myself to prevent the kill
7. We lynch scum and win

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1088 on: November 09, 2016, 02:59:33 pm »

er, didn't mean to bold the rest

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1089 on: November 09, 2016, 02:59:49 pm »

Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it.  We lynch RR today.  If he flips scum, we win, great.  If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum.  Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.

no sir. When he refuses to NK he claims he RB'd you, we will kill you. then he NKs the next night and wins.

Why would you do that though?

Because the claim looks pretty legit if no NK happens.

But that's the thing.  We've discussed this.  Say RR does flip town.  We know that SS has to no-kill, or else he insta-loses.  There is literally no way to go wrong from my perspective.

You are not thinking this through because you are dense or because you are scum hoping for one more day?

Let me spell it out for you.

PPS, Arch, JR, RR, SS
say we mislynch RR
PPS, Arch, JR, SS
no nk cuz SS calims he RB'd JR
we mislynch JR
PPS, Arch, SS
SS NK's Arch
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1090 on: November 09, 2016, 03:01:31 pm »

So -- if we mislynch today, we're 4. Blocking scum then doesn't really do anything, because scum will no-kill for sure.

But there might be something, it depends on how this is ruled...

How are deliberate no-kill -> deliberate nolnych cycles handled, if they start with a no-kill?

The hope is this: if it is ruled in such a way that no-one can no-X three times, in a row, then I can IC myself. This is how it'd work in detail

1. We Lynch Town [now we're 4 with one scum]
2. I RB scum, scum no-kills, you suspect I might be scum no-killing [first no-kill]
3. we no-lynch [first no-lynch]
4. I RB scum, scum no-kills, you suspect I might be scum no-killing [second no-kill]
5. we no-lynch [second no-lynch]
 >> Now Scum can no longer submit No-kill <<
6. I RB scum, scum tries to shoot, no-one dies. Now you know I am an IC because, as scum, I'd have had to kill someone. I can't RB myself to prevent the kill
7. We lynch scum and win

See, setup stuff... I presume we can no-lynch x times iteratively and scum can no nk x times iteratively and we exhaust them before they exhaust us in the most precious of race conditions?
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1091 on: November 09, 2016, 03:02:46 pm »

^ that's the accurate tl;dr

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1092 on: November 09, 2016, 03:04:54 pm »

I risked my neck and read the setup stuff and saw things about nolynch but not a limit and nothing about nokill, especially not limits.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1093 on: November 09, 2016, 03:06:31 pm »

If SS is correct I say we do that.  It's a guaranteed win. 

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1094 on: November 09, 2016, 03:07:45 pm »

Or, or, this might sound crazy guys but just hear me out:

We lynch J Reggie and win.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1095 on: November 09, 2016, 03:09:21 pm »

Or, or, this might sound crazy guys but just hear me out:

We lynch J Reggie and win.

Only way that works for you is if you're town or the no-lynch no-kill thing works differently.  Otherwise you'll be conf!scum in a few days. 

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1096 on: November 09, 2016, 03:10:12 pm »

Or, or, this might sound crazy guys but just hear me out:

We lynch J Reggie and win.

Only way that works for you is if you're town or the no-lynch no-kill thing works differently.  Otherwise you'll be conf!scum in a few days.
I meet at least one of the conditions you stated above.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1097 on: November 09, 2016, 03:11:12 pm »

OMG I'm reading the setup, watch out...

So we've seen a turret and an anger core out of scum.

We've seen Rick and Doug from town. Rick and Doug both resolve to Turrets from Scum. Anger core from scum resolves to either Roleblocker or Doctor from town.

So, a Doctor counterclaim refutes SS's Roleblocker claim. As we know the remaining scum must be a Turret.

If we have a Doctor or a Roleblocker we need that claim now. Otherwise I think SS must be the truth.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1098 on: November 09, 2016, 03:12:21 pm »

If we can truly trust SS's claim (and it looks like we can) then we are on easy street. If we get a counterclaim I say we lynch the new claimant anyhow and if they flip town then we know to kill SS and we still win.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1099 on: November 09, 2016, 03:12:38 pm »

What?

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1100 on: November 09, 2016, 03:13:07 pm »

I think you're reading the setup wrong PPS.  The remaining scum has to be Cave Johnson.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1102 on: November 09, 2016, 03:13:45 pm »

What?
What are you whatting?
I think you're reading the setup wrong PPS.  The remaining scum has to be Cave Johnson.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1103 on: November 09, 2016, 03:14:41 pm »

Oh, LL flipped Space Core... not in the lineup spoilers yet (neither is schadd, btw).
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1104 on: November 09, 2016, 03:15:32 pm »

Oh, LL flipped Space Core... not in the lineup spoilers yet (neither is schadd, btw).

That doesn't matter though.  There's only one of each flavor except Vanilla Core.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1105 on: November 09, 2016, 03:15:41 pm »

So, it's possible for Town to have more PRs than there are scum??
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1106 on: November 09, 2016, 03:16:43 pm »

Oh, LL flipped Space Core... not in the lineup spoilers yet (neither is schadd, btw).

That doesn't matter though.  There's only one of each flavor except Vanilla Core.

No, there are two turrets; Mods 3 and 4 (and we've seen Doug and Rick which is why i said there are 2 turrets)
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1107 on: November 09, 2016, 03:17:04 pm »

So, it's possible for Town to have more PRs than there are scum??

Yes.  The scum PRs can double up, the town ones can't.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1108 on: November 09, 2016, 03:17:15 pm »

Look, setups are beyond me, I don't know why I even try.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1109 on: November 09, 2016, 03:26:06 pm »

Let's just wait for the mod to confirm SS's theory.  If so, my plan gives us a 100% win rate even with the contingency that I am scum.  There's literally no reason not to do it.

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« Reply #1110 on: November 09, 2016, 03:30:53 pm »

Let's just wait for the mod to confirm SS's theory.  If so, my plan gives us a 100% win rate even with the contingency that I am scum.  There's literally no reason not to do it.

Well I guess if I were scum it wouldn't be "us" then, but you know what I mean.  Town is guaranteed a win with this plan.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1111 on: November 09, 2016, 03:31:24 pm »

And I just have to take the 111th post.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1112 on: November 09, 2016, 03:57:30 pm »

I'll rule as I ruled in Rewind Mafia. After no-kill, no-lynch, no-kill, town must lynch. After no-lynch, no-kill, no-lynch, scum must attempt to kill. If the kill is blocked somehow (by roleblocker or doctor), then town must lynch.
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« Reply #1113 on: November 09, 2016, 04:07:44 pm »

Ok, I need a bit to figure this out.  I think we still win though.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1114 on: November 09, 2016, 07:49:42 pm »

well in that case we just have to lynch either both or the right one of you. Leaning RR:

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1115 on: November 09, 2016, 11:33:18 pm »

Nice.

I'd like for J Reggie and Roadrunner7671 to formulate a case on the other. Most convincing one gets to live (for now).
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1116 on: November 10, 2016, 09:00:11 am »

I'm fine lunching one of the xRs today but if they flip town I'm going to be very suspicious of SS tomorrow.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1117 on: November 10, 2016, 10:05:43 am »

Nice.

I'd like for J Reggie and Roadrunner7671 to formulate a case on the other. Most convincing one gets to live (for now).
I'm not so good at making cases but I can try.

I'd encourage rereads of both me and J Reggie just to make sure people are informed.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1118 on: November 11, 2016, 07:45:37 am »

Bump.

We're so close to winning, we can't let inactivity lose the game for us guys!
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1119 on: November 11, 2016, 09:11:10 am »

I'm just waiting for the cases.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1121 on: November 11, 2016, 10:07:36 am »

Which one is better?

1. A case only on why J Reggie is scum.
2. A case only on why I'm town.
3. A case with both elements but in less detail.
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« Reply #1122 on: November 11, 2016, 10:21:57 am »

Which one is better?

1. A case only on why J Reggie is scum.
2. A case only on why I'm town.
3. A case with both elements but in less detail.

1.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1123 on: November 11, 2016, 10:39:06 am »

Definitely #1
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
« Reply #1124 on: November 11, 2016, 03:40:37 pm »

Sorry, I've been super busy. I'll try and get the case posted today.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1125 on: November 12, 2016, 01:24:21 am »

vote: RR

Tick tock!

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1126 on: November 12, 2016, 06:55:15 pm »

vote: RR

Tick tock!

Why RR? Shouldn't JR be pressured just as well?
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1127 on: November 12, 2016, 06:58:12 pm »

So I'm pretty ill and I generally have a lack of motivation to make a case. As nice as it would be to lynch J Reggie today over me, we win either way. So I'll Vote: J Reggie, let you guys lynch me then you guys will lynch J Reggie.

If Silverspawn or PPS are scum then they just outplayed us and either way we lose.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1128 on: November 12, 2016, 07:03:27 pm »

I'm here. I think the thing that made me suspicious of RR to start with was his flip-flop on Jake. He never really gave us much to go off of. Most of the stuff he said was like "trust me, he'd do this as scum" and later "trust me, he'd do this as town". It looks like a case of trying to bus your partner and then realizing it's gone too far. I think there was another reason I was scumreading him, I'll go back and read. When's the deadline?

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1129 on: November 12, 2016, 07:04:31 pm »

Wow! No posts for more than 12 hours and then 2 PPEs during the 5 minutes it took me to type!

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« Reply #1130 on: November 12, 2016, 07:04:45 pm »

Deadline is Wednesday.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1131 on: November 12, 2016, 07:06:25 pm »

Hope you feel better RR! I might be coming down with something as well, so I'll just take a bunch of zinc and try to be active and answer questions.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1132 on: November 12, 2016, 07:12:02 pm »

Does anyone think ss might pull a bold move like he's doing now as scum?
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1133 on: November 12, 2016, 07:16:53 pm »

Does anyone think ss might pull a bold move like he's doing now as scum?

I wouldn't put it past him, but I think it's more likely that you're scum.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1134 on: November 12, 2016, 07:17:58 pm »

Does anyone think ss might pull a bold move like he's doing now as scum?
Yes.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1135 on: November 12, 2016, 07:18:20 pm »

Let me go check something
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1136 on: November 12, 2016, 07:19:05 pm »

Does anyone think ss might pull a bold move like he's doing now as scum?
Yes.

It's not just a bold move it's about the only winning play other than stay low and hope which wasn't going to work because he was already suspected.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
« Reply #1137 on: November 12, 2016, 07:28:06 pm »

And btw you have an awful record at mafia rr
I don't think Jake would say this to me if I was his fellow scumbuddy.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
« Reply #1138 on: November 12, 2016, 08:03:22 pm »

I bless upon thy soul of schadd that he liveth in peace and prosperity  ;D ;D ;D
He said this to his scum buddy, which is a stark contrast to what he said to me.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1139 on: November 12, 2016, 08:03:44 pm »

I almost want to lynch ss.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1140 on: November 12, 2016, 08:04:57 pm »

So I'm pretty ill and I generally have a lack of motivation

So this is pretty much exactly what I was waiting for.

We are playing the most unbalanced setup in a long time (referring to the actual setup after randomization), and scum is in a virtually unwinnable posiiton. I expect a lack of motivation.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1141 on: November 12, 2016, 08:05:19 pm »

I almost want to lynch ss.

^ this is our scum.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1143 on: November 12, 2016, 08:24:34 pm »

Silverspawn's got the right idea.

I believe because of this post we should trust silverspawn's claim. Not saying we should auto lynch J Reggie tommorow, but he's more likely Town. Roadrunner is mostly likely scum here.

Intent to hammer

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
« Reply #1144 on: November 12, 2016, 08:25:37 pm »

And btw you have an awful record at mafia rr
I don't think Jake would say this to me if I was his fellow scumbuddy.
I think he would talk to you about the game in person as scum buddies, which is a bigger tell IMO.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1145 on: November 12, 2016, 08:27:13 pm »

No, I have nothing to say.

Looks like I'm still difficult to read.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1146 on: November 12, 2016, 08:36:21 pm »

No, I have nothing to say.

Looks like I'm still difficult to read.
I mean, you can't disagree that you haven't done some very scummy things

1) Heavy waffling on Jake that has been pointed out a few times
2) Switch to LaLight during schadd's lynch at the last minute
3) Not making a case when you've had a long time to produce anything of substance as to why we should lynch J Reggie over you. Like silverspawn said, scum wouldn't spend the time because they know they'd be killed at the end.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1147 on: November 12, 2016, 08:36:37 pm »

*have done
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1148 on: November 12, 2016, 08:38:19 pm »

As scum, it would've been suicide for me to do what I did with the Jake and schadd stuff.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1149 on: November 12, 2016, 08:41:41 pm »

It would have been suicide for Jake to kill without using his Ninja or not Rolestopping for someone else yet here we are.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1150 on: November 12, 2016, 08:57:55 pm »

Alright.

Vote: RR

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1151 on: November 12, 2016, 09:13:52 pm »

I was town
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1152 on: November 12, 2016, 10:03:31 pm »

Well unless RR is lying, we lynch ss tomorrow. Nice fakeclaim by the way!

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« Reply #1153 on: November 13, 2016, 12:01:58 am »

"You're not going to believe this. I found a sealed off wing. Hundreds - HUNDREDS! - of perfectly good test chambers. Just sitting there. Filled with skeletons. Shook them out. Good as new!" - Wheatley

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1154 on: November 13, 2016, 12:08:57 am »

I'm shocked. You all had a game-winning plan, and yet you still are killing your own.

Well, I guess I'm not shocked. I'm satisfied, because this is exactly what I expected.


RR has been lynched! He was a Vanilla Core!

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1155 on: November 14, 2016, 08:59:29 am »

I made a mistake with the night action deadline, it should be 11:00 AM, not PM. Because of this (and because I won't be home at 11) the NA deadline is now at 2:30 PM FRtoday.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
« Reply #1156 on: November 14, 2016, 07:29:04 pm »

Last night was boring. I'm serious, it really was boring. Nothing happened. Absolutely nothing at all.

And it bored me. Luckily, I have a surprise coming up for you in just a couple days. I can't
wait for you all to see it....

No one died!

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« Reply #1157 on: November 14, 2016, 07:32:11 pm »

"Had a bit of a brain wave. There I was, smashing some steel plates together, and I thought, 'yes, it's deadly. But what's missing? What's missing?' And I thought lots of sharp bits welded onto the flat bits. Still a work in progress, don't judge me yet. Eventually I'd like to get them to sort of shoot fire at you, moments before crushing you. That's what I'm aiming for. But you know, small steps." - Wheatley

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1158 on: November 14, 2016, 07:53:04 pm »

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1159 on: November 14, 2016, 07:54:18 pm »

Hoping this should not be hard.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1160 on: November 14, 2016, 08:34:02 pm »

So, it's up to me and Arch to call this game. I am leaning strongly that silver is scum, here. It looked like end of yesterday Arch was in the other camp. I'm definitely not happy neither JR or RR would bother making a case. I wasn't feeling like RR was the likely scum between the two but looking over the game overall I favor silver as the scum. I admit it is a toss up. I also admit I'd rather lose to overthinking it than lose to silver pulling this off while I saw through it the whole time.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1161 on: November 14, 2016, 08:35:53 pm »

I'd like to see Arch make a strong case why it isn't silver.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1162 on: November 14, 2016, 08:36:09 pm »

I'd like to see Arch make a strong case why it isn't silver.

That doesn't hinge on the claim.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1163 on: November 14, 2016, 08:37:26 pm »

Also a 6 day old IC has to be a record.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1164 on: November 14, 2016, 08:38:51 pm »

Actually, seeing how scum played this game overall with their targets I feel very confident it is silver behind the wheel rather than JR. I'm willing to hear Arch out but itching to lynch the real scum.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1165 on: November 14, 2016, 09:11:17 pm »

vote: ss

I realized during the night how lurky ss has been this game. Like, the fakeclaim is the only thing I can remember from him. I just hate how lurker!scum has been winning games recently. Let's not let this happen here.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1166 on: November 14, 2016, 09:52:09 pm »

^ bullshit deceptive emotional appeal

PPS (and Archetype too), the reason why this is pretty obvious is the strong evidence we have that there are in fact 5 PRs. Here:

And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?

This looks a priori much more like a scum slip than anything else. The reason why we originally thought it probably wasn't one is that the chance for all 5 PRs to appear is 1/2^5 = 1/32 =~ 3%. But now that we already know the other 4 appeared, it is 50%.

This and why on earth would I clear you. That makes no sense. Also why would I use the reasoning I did last night on RR. Makes no sense either.

And lastly J Reggie's post he just made is nonsense. I've been lurky in every game I've played for the past weeks 'cause I'm writing my bachelor thesis and he knows I've been lurky everywhere. Town!J Reggie doesn't make points he knows are complete fabrications.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1167 on: November 14, 2016, 10:19:06 pm »

How is that a fabrication? There's no arguing that you've been lurky, whatever the reason.

Also there's no way all the PRs are present. Pps could still be the doctor, but I'm a VT so that whole Jake argument is baloney.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1168 on: November 14, 2016, 10:20:56 pm »

Oh I guess going off the assumption that you're an rb we could have all the PRs. But I know that information is false.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1169 on: November 14, 2016, 10:23:10 pm »

Ss - did you breadcrumb any Wheatley lines anywhere? Just want to see how long you've been planning this.

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« Reply #1170 on: November 14, 2016, 10:23:31 pm »

Also I like Wheatley.

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« Reply #1171 on: November 14, 2016, 10:34:08 pm »

This and why on earth would I clear you. That makes no sense. Also why would I use the reasoning I did last night on RR. Makes no sense either.

I'm susceptible to reading town on those who view me as town. Experienced players know this and exploit it. Not following the bit about RR last night...
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1172 on: November 14, 2016, 10:34:54 pm »

How is that a fabrication? There's no arguing that you've been lurky, whatever the reason.

Also there's no way all the PRs are present. Pps could still be the doctor, but I'm a VT so that whole Jake argument is baloney.

I'm VT. So, can you parse the setup and disprove him? I tried and failed big on that front.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1173 on: November 14, 2016, 10:45:38 pm »

Yeah OK there's no way that argument is true.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1174 on: November 15, 2016, 12:52:50 am »

... we don't have a doctor? in that case the argument is really false.

PPS, I'm not townreading you. I was scumreading you. That's why I chose you for my target, because you were a dangerous mislnych

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« Reply #1175 on: November 15, 2016, 12:53:22 am »

I know you are town now because I proved it, not because of reads.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1176 on: November 15, 2016, 12:58:46 am »

How is that a fabrication? There's no arguing that you've been lurky, whatever the reason.

Now we're just lying? You have been arguing that I am scummy for being lurky.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1177 on: November 15, 2016, 09:51:00 am »

Ok now I see what you mean. Yeah, I wasn't saying that you were necessarily scummy for lurking, I was saying that lurker scum does better than non-lurker scum (hence you outliving your buddies).

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« Reply #1178 on: November 15, 2016, 09:52:49 am »

Like, scum does better recently by lurking, and that's frustrating.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1179 on: November 15, 2016, 10:12:20 am »

Well, I have made my decision but I still want to hear from Archetype. I'd like for him to weigh in and us compare notes. Hopefully we are in agreement and he lets me have the hammer.
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« Reply #1180 on: November 15, 2016, 10:18:06 am »

do you want to hammer scum?

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« Reply #1181 on: November 15, 2016, 10:26:49 am »

do you want to hammer scum?

That's a silly question. Of course, I prefer to win. But the condition created here is one where I have to settle for seeking consensus with the one other person I can completely trust. At that point we will have made a decision based on the best information we have. As in life, that is the best I can do and having done my best and still found failure is no failure at all. I think the worst I could do now is act on my decision without consulting with Arch (and it has occurred to me for sure).
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1182 on: November 15, 2016, 10:34:32 am »

Well if either of you have any questions for me, let me know.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1183 on: November 15, 2016, 10:34:38 am »

I read both of you and the choice is pretty clear to me.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1184 on: November 15, 2016, 10:36:11 am »

I think the choice would be lots clearer had we lynched JR yesterday instead. I'd like to hear silver explain why he preferred RR over JR.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1185 on: November 15, 2016, 10:49:00 am »

do you want to hammer scum?

That's a silly question. Of course, I prefer to win. But the condition created here is one where I have to settle for seeking consensus with the one other person I can completely trust. At that point we will have made a decision based on the best information we have. As in life, that is the best I can do and having done my best and still found failure is no failure at all. I think the worst I could do now is act on my decision without consulting with Arch (and it has occurred to me for sure).

I'm pretty sure Arch will realize I'm town, so you two will have to settle it out. You have all the time in the world, I can RB J Reggie into infinity.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1186 on: November 15, 2016, 10:52:40 am »

I think the choice would be lots clearer had we lynched JR yesterday instead. I'd like to hear silver explain why he preferred RR over JR.

I was only waiting for either one to say that he has trouble motivating himself for the game. Given how crazy titled this game has been in town's favor (although not quite as much as I'd thought since we apparently don't have a doctor ... ), that's much more likely to come from scum.

Then RR did and I voted for him and he flipped town.

Oh, but it would have been way better for scum!me to lynch J Reggie than to lynch RR, because RR was voicing his opinion on how towny I was. He'd have a harder time staying alive in a 1 on 1.

Really man, the fact base is quite tilted right now. This is not that difficult of a LyLo. You don't want to get it wrong. Forget your conclusion, in particular forget your "I Roleblocked you to get a townread from you" narrative because that's bongus, and re-asses the evidence.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day6
« Reply #1187 on: November 15, 2016, 10:56:23 am »

"Ha! Was that your bullet-riddled body, flying out of the room? It was- aww, those were the crap turrets, weren't they? Yeah... Well, no matter. Because I'm STILL holding all the cards, and guess what: they're allll Full Houses! I've never played cards. Meaning to learn. Anyway, new turrets. Not defective. Ace of fours. The best hand. Unbeatable, I imagine." - Wheatley

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J Reggie (1): silverspawn
silverspawn (1): J Reggie

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1188 on: November 15, 2016, 11:27:12 am »

Super busy this week, but I'll get to this in a few days. I'm leaning J Reggie being scum just because it doesn't make sense for Mafia PRs otherwise. I'm going to reread a bit for partner interactions and suggest PPS does the same.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1189 on: November 15, 2016, 11:44:31 am »

 ^ yeah, do that.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1190 on: November 15, 2016, 11:49:50 am »

Super busy this week, but I'll get to this in a few days. I'm leaning J Reggie being scum just because it doesn't make sense for Mafia PRs otherwise. I'm going to reread a bit for partner interactions and suggest PPS does the same.

Yeah, no, I already did that. I'm near positive that J Reggie is the scum based on his interactions with the other scum and the vote trail. If silverspawn proves to be the scum and we lose it will be because J Reggie played very poorly as town.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1191 on: November 15, 2016, 11:52:20 am »

If we had lynched JR yesterday I'd have zero doubts that silverspawn was the scum, however. This is why I am suspect and wanted silver's explanation. JR is the perfect frame up but I do feel it is more likely he is the final scum. If silverspawn proves to be scum he deserves the win despite me suspecting very much that he has played us so well.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1192 on: November 15, 2016, 12:04:13 pm »

Aw come on guys, don't lose this game.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1193 on: November 15, 2016, 12:09:13 pm »

I thought it'd be pretty obvious that ss is lying.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1194 on: November 15, 2016, 12:16:57 pm »

I thought it'd be pretty obvious that ss is lying.
Why?
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« Reply #1195 on: November 15, 2016, 12:37:46 pm »

Well first of all he does Pretty much nothing for the whole game, then once he's the only scum left he comes up with stone fake claim that he hopes is going to get him home free. To do so, he confirms the person no one was going to lynch anyway as town. Like really, why would you scumread PPS here?

I was also looking to see if we could disprove the existence of a roleblocker by inferring what scum PRs there were. Roleblocker is correlated to flavor cop. I think what arch was getting at was that scum have to have a flavor cop because they've hit PRs 100 percent of the time. Here's the problem with that:

Schadd flipped as the anger core, meaning he would have been the flavor cop. They get at most 3 flavor cop shots, probably fewer because they want to use their other PRs. And flavor cop is going to hit vts some of the time. More likely that scum has an experienced player (namely ss) to deduce who is acting like a PR. A newbie scum team of me, schadd, and Jake is never gonna be able to do that kind of thing.  Read my previous scum cuties; I'm awful at picking the right NK targets.

Man, I'm surprised you guys are even considering that I'm scum.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1196 on: November 15, 2016, 12:39:28 pm »

Oh, and I just realized ss is claiming to have rb'd schadd at some point. That means flavor cop!schadd would have had a max of 2 shots. That's, like, outing one PR maybe.

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« Reply #1197 on: November 15, 2016, 12:55:57 pm »

Ugh. I quickly reread both of you. Content wise, silver spawn is much scummier than J Reggie. Like, there is almost nothing there besides his claim. J Reggie does some scummy stuff and isn't super active, but more so than silverspawn. My hold up is that there is almost certainly a Roleblocker in the game. Not because scum has been hitting PRs (though that supports the idea), but because of how Jake got caught. Here's the theory:

So here's our scum team:

Cop Enabling 1-shot Psychotrooper [J Reggie or Silverspawn]
Goon OR Flavor Cop [schadd]
1-shot Ninja 2-shot Rolestopper [Jake]

So, we know that Robz was a Watcher. The only way he would know for certain that Jake was scum was if he had watched Space-A and saw that Jake kill them. Now, Mafia cannot kill and use a power in the same night. Jake is clearly the team's most beefed up player. Therefore, to rationalize having Jake commit the kill the other two Mafia members must have a role good enough to use N1. Psychotrooper is awesome, yet predictable N1. If schadd was a Goon, it would make sense that they would have him kill someone. But they don't, implying that he has a PR to use. If he does (aka the Flavor Cop) it would mean that there is a Roleblocker which would mean that silverspawn is Town.

The only other rational explanation is an irrational one. That is, Jake really wanting to be a killer or schadd being a virtual pacifist or something.

What are your (J Reggie and PPS) opinions on this and what conclusions do you draw from it?
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1198 on: November 15, 2016, 01:09:07 pm »

Well, there' setup stuff in there so I am lost as all hell.

I do strongly concur with J Reggie's argument against SS. that SS was doing mostly nothing all game is indicative of him being a PR but I'm not sure of which alignment. J Reggie played a great scum game as far as votes and positions against town and interaction in general. I have been operating on the assumption that schadd correctly targeted a PR every night since they never NK'd the IC but always hit a PR and always drove the mislynches onto VTs. That SS claims to have blocked schadd kinda gums that idea up, I think.
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« Reply #1199 on: November 15, 2016, 01:12:22 pm »

Well, there' setup stuff in there so I am lost as all hell.

I do strongly concur with J Reggie's argument against SS. that SS was doing mostly nothing all game is indicative of him being a PR but I'm not sure of which alignment. J Reggie played a great scum game as far as votes and positions against town and interaction in general. I have been operating on the assumption that schadd correctly targeted a PR every night since they never NK'd the IC but always hit a PR and always drove the mislynches onto VTs. That SS claims to have blocked schadd kinda gums that idea up, I think.

The first and second sentences are separate thoughts. The first sentence is the notion that the situation SS is in is where scum finds themselves and not town. We are being asked to believe that town!SS the roleblocker (one of the biggest threats to the scum game plan) evaded detection and death through the whole game while simultaneously blocking the one guy who was doing the dirty work for scum and then creating the worst possible IC at the end game.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1200 on: November 15, 2016, 01:26:14 pm »

Well, there' setup stuff in there so I am lost as all hell.
I would urge you to read the setup. These are facts and are more concrete than individual reads.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1201 on: November 15, 2016, 01:37:23 pm »

an experienced player (namely ss) to deduce who is acting like a PR.

Even at the top of my game, I am god-awful at detecting PR slips. You will not find a single game on this forum or in the two championship games where I have successfully NK'd a PR based on a PR-read. I am pretty sure that I have mentioned this a couple of times, too. Definitely mentioned it in the m/chat of the second championship game. Unfortunately we used skype so I can't link to it.

Not that your narrative wouldn't be convoluted anyway.

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« Reply #1202 on: November 15, 2016, 01:39:30 pm »

an experienced player (namely ss) to deduce who is acting like a PR.

Even at the top of my game, I am god-awful at detecting PR slips. You will not find a single game on this forum or in the two championship games where I have successfully NK'd a PR based on a PR-read. I am pretty sure that I have mentioned this a couple of times, too. Definitely mentioned it in the m/chat of the second championship game. Unfortunately we used skype so I can't link to it.

Not that your narrative wouldn't be convoluted anyway.

It's not hard to NK the PRs when you have a Flavor Cop teeing them up for you. That's not convoluted at all.
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« Reply #1203 on: November 15, 2016, 01:39:41 pm »

Well first of all he does Pretty much nothing for the whole game

I also did pretty much nothing in the past 2 games that finished and was town in both, mister. And you probably noticed that I stopped signing up for the first time since I started playing. (I've played every non-Bastard non-Blitz with the only exception of one game yuma modded where he randomly reduced the number of slots while I was still planing to sign up.)

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« Reply #1204 on: November 15, 2016, 01:40:32 pm »

It's not hard to NK the PRs when you have a Flavor Cop teeing them up for you. That's not convoluted at all.

Not J Reggie's point. He argued that the targeting of PRs implies me being on the team because I'm good at finding PR's. Which I am not whatsoever.

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« Reply #1205 on: November 15, 2016, 01:41:14 pm »

Well, there' setup stuff in there so I am lost as all hell.
I would urge you to read the setup. These are facts and are more concrete than individual reads.

Did you see the part where I tried reading the setup? I'm a huge failure at this. Always have been. I have never read the setup FTW but have numerous time lost due to talking about or trying to interpret a setup. I only bothered this game because I had IC status.
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« Reply #1206 on: November 15, 2016, 01:42:17 pm »

It's not hard to NK the PRs when you have a Flavor Cop teeing them up for you. That's not convoluted at all.

Not J Reggie's point. He argued that the targeting of PRs implies me being on the team because I'm good at finding PR's. Which I am not whatsoever.

That's interesting, I consider myself pretty decent at detecting PRs. I thought you were clearly one from D2 on.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1207 on: November 15, 2016, 01:43:06 pm »

So, we know that Robz was a Watcher. The only way he would know for certain that Jake was scum was if he had watched Space-A and saw that Jake kill them. Now, Mafia cannot kill and use a power in the same night. Jake is clearly the team's most beefed up player. Therefore, to rationalize having Jake commit the kill the other two Mafia members must have a role good enough to use N1. Psychotrooper is awesome, yet predictable N1. If schadd was a Goon, it would make sense that they would have him kill someone. But they don't, implying that he has a PR to use. If he does (aka the Flavor Cop) it would mean that there is a Roleblocker which would mean that silverspawn is Town.

Flavor cop implies Roleblocker? :o

Shame on me for not knowing that. In that case why are we even having this conversation.

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« Reply #1208 on: November 15, 2016, 01:46:12 pm »

completely forgot about the powers scum gets as a compensation ...

@PPS: This one is simple. There is only a Roleblocker in this setup when there's also a Flavor Cop. PRs dying left and right shows that there is a Flavor cop, so there is a Roleblocker, which is me.

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« Reply #1209 on: November 15, 2016, 02:04:49 pm »

completely forgot about the powers scum gets as a compensation ...

@PPS: This one is simple. There is only a Roleblocker in this setup when there's also a Flavor Cop. PRs dying left and right shows that there is a Flavor cop, so there is a Roleblocker, which is me.

I'm feeling weirdly misunderstood. This is the only thing I have grasped about the setup. Like, this is exactly what I've been saying.
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« Reply #1210 on: November 15, 2016, 02:09:12 pm »

completely forgot about the powers scum gets as a compensation ...

@PPS: This one is simple. There is only a Roleblocker in this setup when there's also a Flavor Cop. PRs dying left and right shows that there is a Flavor cop, so there is a Roleblocker, which is me.

I'm feeling weirdly misunderstood. This is the only thing I have grasped about the setup. Like, this is exactly what I've been saying.
It's not just that. That is minor. The bigger point is that Jake would have done the kill only if scum has a Flavor Cop.
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« Reply #1211 on: November 15, 2016, 02:10:02 pm »

So, we do agree J Reggie is the bad guy?
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1212 on: November 15, 2016, 02:14:19 pm »

So, we do agree J Reggie is the bad guy?
Yeah, I think that's the most likely scenario.

Vote: J Reggie

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« Reply #1213 on: November 15, 2016, 02:16:35 pm »

Damn, you took the hammer :(
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1214 on: November 15, 2016, 02:17:39 pm »

If we won then I'm firmly committed to never reading a setup again because I clearly don't need to (nor should I).
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« Reply #1215 on: November 15, 2016, 02:22:12 pm »

Damn, you took the hammer :(
Nope, he's at L-1. It's all you, man.

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« Reply #1216 on: November 15, 2016, 02:23:51 pm »

 :)
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« Reply #1217 on: November 15, 2016, 02:24:10 pm »

Vote: J Reggie
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« Reply #1218 on: November 15, 2016, 02:24:48 pm »

great. I'm town.

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« Reply #1219 on: November 15, 2016, 02:25:32 pm »

Thank goodness.

That would have been one sweet scumplay though.
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« Reply #1220 on: November 15, 2016, 02:25:41 pm »

great. I'm town.

Good, we can still be friends!
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1221 on: November 15, 2016, 02:26:33 pm »

I totally want to win as scum like this and letting you have that sort of glee at my expense was too much to think of, lol.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1222 on: November 15, 2016, 02:28:00 pm »

So, Archetype saw more scum in silver's play but deduced town through the setup.
I read scum loud and clear on J Reggie in his play and saw a PR in silver (alignment uncertain).

Setups are my kryptonite for certain.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1223 on: November 15, 2016, 02:29:27 pm »

If we won then I'm firmly committed to never reading a setup again because I clearly don't need to (nor should I).
Nah man. The exact opposite. Setup Spec. > Reads.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1224 on: November 15, 2016, 02:31:04 pm »

I'm anxious to see the night actions because SS RB'd schadd yet they consistently nicked a town PR.
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« Reply #1225 on: November 15, 2016, 02:31:44 pm »

If we won then I'm firmly committed to never reading a setup again because I clearly don't need to (nor should I).
Nah man. The exact opposite. Setup Spec. > Reads.

But I read people better than I read setups.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1226 on: November 15, 2016, 02:33:25 pm »

Man, ss stop trolling. These guys deserve to know they lost. I don't see how you didn't understand.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1227 on: November 15, 2016, 02:35:30 pm »

Lol JK. But the flavor cop argument was genuine. We only got one shot.

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« Reply #1228 on: November 15, 2016, 02:36:59 pm »

Yeah I would have argued for schadd to get MVP if we had won. He picked the PRs off with utmost precision. I will from now on argue to lynch him D1.

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« Reply #1229 on: November 15, 2016, 02:43:27 pm »

Also, Robz could have won the game a lot sooner for you guys. I don't know why he didn't.

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« Reply #1230 on: November 15, 2016, 02:45:11 pm »

But congrats to schadd. Your scary. I hope I get to be on a scum team with you soon.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1231 on: November 15, 2016, 03:01:05 pm »

You're pretty good at this, I think. You just had setup evidence against your favor.

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« Reply #1232 on: November 15, 2016, 03:59:49 pm »

I wish I could have made the argument that schadd didn't need to be a flavor cop to kill all the PRs. When you see the scum cutie you'll see he single-handedly picked out all of the PRs with only one successful flavor cop shot.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1233 on: November 15, 2016, 04:02:42 pm »

we had one critical screwup regarding the robz debacle that you'll soon see
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« Reply #1234 on: November 15, 2016, 04:03:55 pm »

oh also, grats town
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1235 on: November 15, 2016, 04:04:29 pm »

Also, Robz could have won the game a lot sooner for you guys. I don't know why he didn't.

You are mistaken.
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« Reply #1236 on: November 15, 2016, 04:04:43 pm »

Great job, guys!
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« Reply #1237 on: November 15, 2016, 04:09:41 pm »

"You had to play bloody cat and mouse, didn't you? While people were trying to work. Yes, well, now we're all going to pay the price. BECAUSE WE'RE ALL GOING TO BLOODY DIE." - Wheatley

Vote Count 6.final

J Reggie (3): silverspawn, Archetype, PPS
silverspawn (1): J Reggie

Not Voting (0):


With 4 alive it took 3 to lynch
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« Reply #1238 on: November 15, 2016, 04:12:36 pm »

Well done. I am so happy for you for winning the game. In fact, I'm so happy that I'm going to give you your surprise right now...

<DEPLOYING SURPRISE IN THREE... TWO... ONE...>


J Reggie has been lynched! He was Cave Johnson!

silverspawn has been disassembled by GLaDOS! He was Wheatley!

PPS has been disassembled by GLaDOS! He was a Vanilla Core!

Archetype has FINALLY BEEN KILLED. Goodbye, Chell. Forever.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1239 on: November 15, 2016, 04:13:48 pm »

ahaha! now the cop doesn't work anymore
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« Reply #1240 on: November 15, 2016, 04:20:11 pm »

Fun game! Thanks for introducing me to the flavor, mail-mi. I have definitely been watching a lot of Portal on Youtube.

So, I watched Jake on Night 1, and saw Haddock target him. When this did not kill Jake, and when Haddock seemed pretty confident Jake was scum, I deduced that Haddock was the cop. I then took over the effort to get Jake lynched, which I'm happy to report seemed to convince you that I was the cop rather than Haddock. Yay!
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« Reply #1241 on: November 15, 2016, 04:23:21 pm »

TOWN WINS!!
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« Reply #1242 on: November 15, 2016, 04:29:54 pm »

Aperture Science Moderator Discussion and Note-Keeping Message Board:
https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/rX2atDMekge5

Aperture Science Mafia Communication and Order-Receiving Message Board:
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1243 on: November 15, 2016, 04:33:15 pm »

Nice! We won. No thanks to me.
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« Reply #1244 on: November 15, 2016, 04:35:19 pm »

I hope you all enjoyed the flavor, that was my favorite thing to do all game. It was also fun to cycle through each "bad guy" in the Portal/Portal 2 storyline in the vote count quotes as scum died.

Who do you guys think for MVP?
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« Reply #1245 on: November 15, 2016, 04:42:29 pm »

I hope you all enjoyed the flavor, that was my favorite thing to do all game. It was also fun to cycle through each "bad guy" in the Portal/Portal 2 storyline in the vote count quotes as scum died.

Who do you guys think for MVP?

Tough call, either Robz for the early scum bust or Silverspawn for the final stalemate or even Archetype for setting a world record as IC.
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« Reply #1246 on: November 15, 2016, 04:43:06 pm »

Or schadd for annihilating PRs
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« Reply #1247 on: November 15, 2016, 04:47:13 pm »

I was thinking schadd, for catching all the PRs basically and playing a really good scum game until he got caught.
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« Reply #1248 on: November 15, 2016, 04:50:25 pm »

Yay!
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« Reply #1249 on: November 15, 2016, 04:57:16 pm »

Flavor was awesome. During the course of this game, I got really into Portal lore, which I knew next to nothing about at the beginning. Therefore, I have a new opening post:

vote: spaceanemone.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1250 on: November 15, 2016, 04:57:47 pm »

Also, Batman should have been in the game, maybe an SK.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1251 on: November 15, 2016, 04:58:51 pm »

Haddock gets my vote.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1252 on: November 15, 2016, 04:59:06 pm »

Haddock gets my vote.

(Not that it's a vote.)
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1253 on: November 15, 2016, 05:03:52 pm »

robz is a good one; as much as i fuffed about it in the speccy just now, that call was pretty much indecipherable. haddock is also good, but he tunneled me a bit too obviously (especially when ss read a lot of the same stuff in a different light, which incidentally made me call him as a PR as well).


as for my own platform, as much as i would like to be mvp while losing, the PRs kinda called themselves (literally, in the case of lalight)
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1254 on: November 15, 2016, 05:04:50 pm »

And my win percentage flies back up to 33% after back to back victories!
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1255 on: November 15, 2016, 05:05:24 pm »

Fun game! Thanks for introducing me to the flavor, mail-mi. I have definitely been watching a lot of Portal on Youtube.

So, I watched Jake on Night 1, and saw Haddock target him. When this did not kill Jake, and when Haddock seemed pretty confident Jake was scum, I deduced that Haddock was the cop. I then took over the effort to get Jake lynched, which I'm happy to report seemed to convince you that I was the cop rather than Haddock. Yay!
That's genius!

Yeah, I'd say Haddock for MVP as well.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1256 on: November 15, 2016, 05:07:57 pm »

oh also, as i said in the spec, my first hammer was on scum, lmao
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1257 on: November 15, 2016, 05:12:55 pm »

It's true, Haddock did catch 2/3 scum with 3 guilty results. Alright, Haddock is MVP! schadd gets the MVSP: most valuable scum player.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1258 on: November 15, 2016, 05:14:37 pm »

weeew!


congrats. the two mvps killed each other
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1259 on: November 15, 2016, 05:21:08 pm »

Well played guys ! My record stands :D
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1260 on: November 15, 2016, 05:44:00 pm »

Seeing the result of this game also gives me ideas of improvements that could be made to the setup.

Giving scum a 1-shot Strongman with the Roleblocker instead of a Flavor Cop probably wouldn't be too bad. Role Cops in general aren't THAT powerful - and they are basically useless once everyone has claimed. Plus, this will help provide a failsafe in situations where scum like this was. Also, rather than giving the Cop "No Result" once the Cop Enabler dies, it could be more interesting to make it so the Cop receives the opposite results instead.

Rolestopper is also ridiculously powerful, but so is Watcher so idk.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1261 on: November 15, 2016, 05:55:01 pm »

So guys.

This has been really fun. I will not be joining any more mafia games for the foreseeable future, because I'm leaving on my 2-year LDS mission and will have absolutely 0 access to the forums. Who knows what will happen in two years when I'm back. But it's been a lot of fun and I'm glad I was able to play with all y'all.

See you guys later, maybe

-- mail-mi.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1262 on: November 15, 2016, 05:57:20 pm »

So guys.

This has been really fun. I will not be joining any more mafia games for the foreseeable future, because I'm leaving on my 2-year LDS mission and will have absolutely 0 access to the forums. Who knows what will happen in two years when I'm back. But it's been a lot of fun and I'm glad I was able to play with all y'all.

See you guys later, maybe

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1263 on: November 15, 2016, 05:58:34 pm »

So guys.

This has been really fun. I will not be joining any more mafia games for the foreseeable future, because I'm leaving on my 2-year LDS mission and will have absolutely 0 access to the forums. Who knows what will happen in two years when I'm back. But it's been a lot of fun and I'm glad I was able to play with all y'all.

See you guys later, maybe

-- mail-mi.
Woah. So this is just it?

Where are you headed?
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1264 on: November 15, 2016, 06:00:03 pm »

So guys.

This has been really fun. I will not be joining any more mafia games for the foreseeable future, because I'm leaving on my 2-year LDS mission and will have absolutely 0 access to the forums. Who knows what will happen in two years when I'm back. But it's been a lot of fun and I'm glad I was able to play with all y'all.

See you guys later, maybe

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Glad to have caught you again before you left. Good luck in everything you do!
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1265 on: November 15, 2016, 06:01:56 pm »

So guys.

This has been really fun. I will not be joining any more mafia games for the foreseeable future, because I'm leaving on my 2-year LDS mission and will have absolutely 0 access to the forums. Who knows what will happen in two years when I'm back. But it's been a lot of fun and I'm glad I was able to play with all y'all.

See you guys later, maybe

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Woah. So this is just it?

Where are you headed?

This is just it.

Charlotte, North Carolina. I'm really looking forward to it. :)

Thanks for the sentiments guys! I'll probably keep checking the forums until I leave but I won't be joining in any more games.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1266 on: November 15, 2016, 06:03:22 pm »

So guys.

This has been really fun. I will not be joining any more mafia games for the foreseeable future, because I'm leaving on my 2-year LDS mission and will have absolutely 0 access to the forums. Who knows what will happen in two years when I'm back. But it's been a lot of fun and I'm glad I was able to play with all y'all.

See you guys later, maybe

-- mail-mi.

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1267 on: November 15, 2016, 06:24:42 pm »

Bye, Mail-mi! We'll miss you. Hope you'll be back.

Man, it seems like a lot of people are leaving the forums these days...
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1268 on: November 15, 2016, 06:38:36 pm »

Ah mail-mi good luck!
We'll be miss-ion you! (Too much?)

Thanks for the mvp. I though catching 2/3 scum I might be in for a shot, but my play with respect to schadd was a bit obvious I guess.

I was all set to be pissed at silver for pushing against me so hard, which essentially made me out myself, but really it's just an unfortunate case of semi-conflicting pr results.

Great game all round, well played!

Got my eye on you, schadd.

I had a slight unfair advantage Re.  Reads on schadd knowing he was scum in worms, and his play was very similar. But then when worms ended everyone was on a level.

Love the setup, love the flavour, love it all.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1269 on: November 15, 2016, 06:39:18 pm »

I had thought*
Not "I though"
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1270 on: November 15, 2016, 06:53:12 pm »

So guys.

This has been really fun. I will not be joining any more mafia games for the foreseeable future, because I'm leaving on my 2-year LDS mission and will have absolutely 0 access to the forums. Who knows what will happen in two years when I'm back. But it's been a lot of fun and I'm glad I was able to play with all y'all.

See you guys later, maybe

-- mail-mi.
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Where are you headed?

This is just it.

Charlotte, North Carolina. I'm really looking forward to it. :)

Thanks for the sentiments guys! I'll probably keep checking the forums until I leave but I won't be joining in any more games.
Okay, I don't really want to be that guy, but I sort of assumed you'd be out of contact because you'd be in a Somalian village or something. Are there rules permitting electronic devices or something similar?
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1271 on: November 15, 2016, 06:58:18 pm »

So guys.

This has been really fun. I will not be joining any more mafia games for the foreseeable future, because I'm leaving on my 2-year LDS mission and will have absolutely 0 access to the forums. Who knows what will happen in two years when I'm back. But it's been a lot of fun and I'm glad I was able to play with all y'all.

See you guys later, maybe

-- mail-mi.
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This is just it.

Charlotte, North Carolina. I'm really looking forward to it. :)

Thanks for the sentiments guys! I'll probably keep checking the forums until I leave but I won't be joining in any more games.
Okay, I don't really want to be that guy, but I sort of assumed you'd be out of contact because you'd be in a Somalian village or something. Are there rules permitting electronic devices or something similar?

I will have a tablet, but there are strict regulations as to what websites I can visit.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1272 on: November 15, 2016, 07:08:42 pm »

So guys.

This has been really fun. I will not be joining any more mafia games for the foreseeable future, because I'm leaving on my 2-year LDS mission and will have absolutely 0 access to the forums. Who knows what will happen in two years when I'm back. But it's been a lot of fun and I'm glad I was able to play with all y'all.

See you guys later, maybe

-- mail-mi.
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Where are you headed?

This is just it.

Charlotte, North Carolina. I'm really looking forward to it. :)

Thanks for the sentiments guys! I'll probably keep checking the forums until I leave but I won't be joining in any more games.
Okay, I don't really want to be that guy, but I sort of assumed you'd be out of contact because you'd be in a Somalian village or something. Are there rules permitting electronic devices or something similar?

I will have a tablet, but there are strict regulations as to what websites I can visit.
I don't want to sound mean or get int too much RSP but...why? Do Mormons believe god cares?
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1273 on: November 15, 2016, 07:12:13 pm »

Thanks for the game. I live close to Charlotte but if you can't visit f.ds you probably can't be found associating with a terrible person like me.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1274 on: November 15, 2016, 07:27:36 pm »

Thanks for the game. I live close to Charlotte but if you can't visit f.ds you probably can't be found associating with a terrible person like me.

If you live anywhere in the western half of NC then I may just be able to see/teach you.  ;)
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1275 on: November 15, 2016, 07:48:27 pm »

Who do you guys think for MVP?
shadd.

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« Reply #1276 on: November 15, 2016, 07:49:40 pm »

^that was me answering before catching up :P

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1277 on: November 15, 2016, 07:50:19 pm »

Sorry for doubting you silverspawn <3
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« Reply #1278 on: November 15, 2016, 07:52:43 pm »

see you in 2 years, mail-mi. Don't just disappear after that!

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1279 on: November 15, 2016, 08:05:20 pm »

see you in 2 years, mail-mi. Don't just disappear after that!

It all depends on what I'm doing at that point, and where Forum Mafia is at that point too.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
« Reply #1280 on: November 15, 2016, 08:24:47 pm »


here's jake's scumslip, for those of us who haven't seen the scum qt yet
I think that  RR and Haddock and schadd are confirmed town because they have done nothing scummy and if i'm not lynched I hope that I can help the town find the scum and hopefully lynch them.
rr has done nothing scummy except tunnel the everloving crap out of you, who's supposedly town
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 6
« Reply #1281 on: November 15, 2016, 08:38:38 pm »

see you in 2 years, mail-mi. Don't just disappear after that!

It all depends on what I'm doing at that point, and where Forum Mafia is at that point too.

sure, but you can at least drop in

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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative: Game Over!
« Reply #1282 on: November 15, 2016, 09:09:22 pm »

I say Ss or Haddock for MVP and bye MM
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Town Wins (4-11) 26.7% M88L, M89L, NM9L, M91L, M95L, M97L,NM10W, RMM41L, M100L, M103L, M105W, M107W, RMM45W, M109L, RMM46L

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« Reply #1283 on: November 15, 2016, 10:02:34 pm »

see you in 2 years, mail-mi. Don't just disappear after that!

It all depends on what I'm doing at that point, and where Forum Mafia is at that point too.

sure, but you can at least drop in

True.
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Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative: Game Over!
« Reply #1284 on: November 16, 2016, 03:54:25 am »

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Good luck with everything! See you in two years.
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