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The most missed removed card.
« on: October 01, 2016, 01:29:02 am »
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I will definitely miss Coppersmith. Already predicting Roadrunner's vote. As a side note, shouldn't the removed cards now go under Variants and Fan Cards due to no longer being official cards?
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2016, 01:35:19 am »
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As a side note, shouldn't the removed cards now go under Variants and Fan Cards due to no longer being official cards?

Too soon, man. Too soon.
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2016, 01:47:16 am »
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As a side note, shouldn't the removed cards now go under Variants and Fan Cards due to no longer being official cards?

Too soon, man. Too soon.

You're right. We haven't had the appropriate period of mourning. I am so sorry.
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2016, 03:06:47 am »
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As a side note, shouldn't the removed cards now go under Variants and Fan Cards due to no longer being official cards?

Too soon, man. Too soon.

You're right. We haven't had the appropriate period of mourning. I am so sorry.

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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2016, 03:16:24 am »
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As a side note, shouldn't the removed cards now go under Variants and Fan Cards due to no longer being official cards?

And here I thought Stalin was dead.
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2016, 03:18:31 am »
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As a side note, shouldn't the removed cards now go under Variants and Fan Cards due to no longer being official cards?
There's nothing "unofficial" about the removed cards, we just (I hope) aren't printing more of them.
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2016, 03:21:27 am »
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I never understood the hate on tribute. I think it's because people are bad at statistics.
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2016, 03:40:09 am »
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It's gotta be Sabby, because it's the only one that doesn't have a successor of sorts. I liked the mechanic, but the card was so meh. I never minded Coppersmith much, and Bank fill the same niche as "crapload of coins if you draw a big deck" card.

Adrian, I think that if Tribute was always nonterminal and gave other bonuses according to the cards revealed, people would like it more. You play several, and the odds sort of level out. As it is, revealing two nonactions will often stop your chain before it can start, making it very swingy. Ultimately, it needs support to become reliable enough, and then you usually don't need it anymore because it doesn't do anything that the support it requires can't do.
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2016, 09:47:14 am »
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Tribute is basically a stack of villages if your opponent plays an engine.
Coppersmith just feels good when it is good.
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2016, 09:49:29 am »
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Easiest question ever. Coppersmith.

It soothes my wounds that more people feel this way though.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2016, 09:50:31 am by Aleimon Thimble »
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2016, 11:34:33 am »
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As a side note, shouldn't the removed cards now go under Variants and Fan Cards due to no longer being official cards?
There's nothing "unofficial" about the removed cards, we just (I hope) aren't printing more of them.

Good to know; then I won't feel obliged to avoid them in my tournament.

As for my most-missed:  It's Tribute, because of the way it alters your strategy based on your opponent's strategy.  Not many cards can do that to such a degree.
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2016, 11:36:48 am »
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For me, it's Woodcutter. It's weak, but it can sometimes be very useful, and it's fun getting a lot of mileage out of a weak card. Plus, its basic function is really clean and simple: one of the basic "vanilla" Actions like Village, Smithy, etc.

Do we know if the removed cards will stay available online in some form?
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2016, 11:45:03 am »
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For me, it's Woodcutter. It's weak, but it can sometimes be very useful, and it's fun getting a lot of mileage out of a weak card. Plus, its basic function is really clean and simple: one of the basic "vanilla" Actions like Village, Smithy, etc.

Do we know if the removed cards will stay available online in some form?

ShIT won't include them, at least not at launch. Sadly.
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2016, 12:44:09 pm »
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My main issue with Tribute was that it made you not want to buy the Victory hybrid cards. Don't want to give your opponents a boost, you know.
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2016, 01:00:03 pm »
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I accidentally voted for chancellor. I meant coppersmith.
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2016, 01:28:57 pm »
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I voted for Feast because it's unique and can do fun stuff, especially when throned.
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2016, 05:11:03 pm »
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Good to know; then I won't feel obliged to avoid them in my tournament.
Well I personally put forth no obligation; for all I know Jay will have some recommendations for official tournaments. If it were up to me we would say, we recommend not using them but it's okay if you do. It seems better not to require people running tournaments to upgrade. Just have fun with your tournament.

I personally recommend not playing with Spy in tournaments since it's slow and that's especially an issue there (ditto Scrying Pool). I've leaned away from Saboteur too, when asked to pick sets of 10. The others dropouts all seem fine.
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2016, 05:28:04 pm »
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I never liked Coppersmith. I miss Woodcutter more than I ever missed Coppersmith, and Woodcutter is so boring anyway. I just really like extra gains.

(btw I'm really glad ShIT stuck)
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2016, 11:26:54 pm »
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I would have kept Coppersmith and replaced Wishing Well instead. The way the +1 Card prevents the card  from comboing with a lot of other cards seems more like an oversight in the relentless pursuit of simplicity than a feature. It's something that was "fixed" in a later card (Mystic), just like other fixed cards that have now been removed (Thief and Chancellor).  You could argue it's a card that rewards knowing your deck, but Journeyman does that in a more interesting way,  and Mystic still rewards experienced players who can play it "blind".

On the other hand Coppersmith definitely had its uses and you could build a strategy around it.
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2016, 01:52:52 am »
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Wishing Well is perfectly fine, it's just sad that one its enablers, Scout, is finally gone. :(
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2016, 06:50:26 am »
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I would have kept Coppersmith and replaced Wishing Well instead. The way the +1 Card prevents the card  from comboing with a lot of other cards seems more like an oversight in the relentless pursuit of simplicity than a feature.
Which leads to the interesting question: how much stronger would Wishing Well be with the +1 Card at the bottom of the card rather than the top?
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2016, 10:31:03 am »
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I never understood the hate on tribute. I think it's because people are bad at statistics.

You say that, but I think that only 25% of people are bad at statistics, meaning that 9/10s of people are actually good at them.
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2016, 10:35:27 am »
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90-93% of people are worse at statistics than they think.
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2016, 10:36:10 am »
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90-93% of people are worse at statistics than they think.

Statistics are far more skippable than most people think.
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Re: The most missed removed card.
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2016, 02:34:23 pm »
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I would have kept Coppersmith and replaced Wishing Well instead. The way the +1 Card prevents the card  from comboing with a lot of other cards seems more like an oversight in the relentless pursuit of simplicity than a feature. It's something that was "fixed" in a later card (Mystic), just like other fixed cards that have now been removed (Thief and Chancellor).  You could argue it's a card that rewards knowing your deck, but Journeyman does that in a more interesting way,  and Mystic still rewards experienced players who can play it "blind".

On the other hand Coppersmith definitely had its uses and you could build a strategy around it.

Wishing Well is a card that you have to go for on a lot of weaker boards in order to enable an engine. It can lead to slow and tricky games but it is a lot stronger than it appears to even moderately skilled players. No way it should be removed. There would be an outcry.
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