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soudek01

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Re: Some Fan Cards
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2016, 02:04:14 am »
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Ok, here is a new card with one of my old concepts: counting the trash toward a 3-pile.

Garbage Man (Action - Attack - Duration, $3)
+1 Card
+1 Action
You may gain a card from the trash, or if the trash is empty, trash a card from your hand.
Until your next turn, other players can only trash cards costing from $3 to $6.
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After your turn, when counting empty Supply piles, if you have a Garbage Man in play, consider the trash a Supply pile.

In games with trashing:
1) Garbage Man's Attack shines and you can use garbage man to pull some good stuff out of the trash.

In games without trashing:
1) Players can use Garbage Man as a weird Native Village / Masquerade to swap one crappy card in the trash.

In all circumstances:
1) Garbage man can speed up the game end by picking up all the cards in the trash.
2) This should be easier in games without trashing.

What does the forum say?
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Re: Some Fan Cards
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2016, 01:05:26 pm »
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Garbage Man (Action-Attack-Duration)
+1 Card
+1 Action
If there are no cards in the trash, trash a card from your hand. Otherwise, you may gain a card from the trash.
Until your next turn, other players can only trash cards costing to .
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While this is in play, if there are no cards in the trash, a pile is empty.

There's a lot going on here. The on play effect seems good as-is. There are some rule confusions though. If you play a remodel, and all you have are Esates and Coppers, what wins? Remodel forces you to trash, but Garbage Man prevents it. The bottom needs some funky wording, but I don't know what to do with that. It's interesting, but I don't know wether it's necessary.
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Re: Some Fan Cards
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2016, 02:59:35 pm »
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Yeah there's been a lot of discussion before about "can't" effects. They cause issues when a card tells you to do something. A good workaround is a would/replacement effect. "Until your next turn, when a card would be trashed, it is discarded instead".
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Re: Some Fan Cards
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2016, 03:11:35 pm »
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'When you need to trash a card, first discard your hand.'

That should work.
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Re: Some Fan Cards
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2016, 03:16:25 pm »
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How about "While this is in play, when another player would trash one of their cards that doesn't cost from to , they discard it instead."

"Can't trash" encounters problems with stuff like Lookout, so make it a replacement effect. Using "one of their cards" as opposed to "a card" prevents degeneracy with Salt the Earth and Lurker.
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Re: Some Fan Cards
« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2016, 03:37:35 pm »
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'When you need to trash a card, first discard your hand.'

That should work.
How? It's a completly different effect.
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Re: Some Fan Cards
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2016, 03:54:22 pm »
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It prevents, pretty effectively, trashing from hand!
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Re: Some Fan Cards
« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2016, 02:42:31 am »
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'When you need to trash a card, first discard your hand.'

That should work.

Nice.
I believe that the standard wording would be:
"When you would trash a card, first discard your hand"

Re: mack-ups: soudek, you might be aware of this already, but you don't need Photoshop to mock up cards! I use GIMP, which is completely free, and quite easy to learn through trial-and-error.

Gimp: https://www.gimp.org/

I suggest you start using this template: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mq6tf49a6yx878k/AAAagEjtUjSzl6DPy-O2akJza it doesn't work perfectly with Gimp (you'll have to redo the card texts) but it's easier than making your templates.
This is a thread with templates for cards of a few weird combo types. It also has Events and Landmarks (and brown Landmarks, for some reason): http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14704.0
The font used on Dominion cards is Trajan Pro. A free alternative is Optimus Princeps: http://www.dafont.com/optimusprinceps.font
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Re: Some Fan Cards
« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2016, 06:59:56 am »
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How about "While this is in play, when another player would trash one of their cards that doesn't cost from to , they discard it instead."
I am so Butchering my Colonies if that effect is in play. :D
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Re: Some Fan Cards
« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2016, 02:53:57 pm »
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How about "While this is in play, when another player would trash one of their cards that doesn't cost from to , they discard it instead."
I am so Butchering my Colonies if that effect is in play. :D

Sorry, no dice! Butcher says "If you did trash a card". ;) The Blue Dog rule applies to other TFBs so no tricks with them either.

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Re: Some Fan Cards
« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2016, 04:11:42 pm »
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Seconding GendoIkari's suggestion, which reflects the wording of Trader. I'd make it a bit more complex to also:
-reflect Market Square (which in turn is probably worded that way because in some countries Saboteur etc are worded so the attacker does the trashing)
-avoid "Salt the Earth" weirdness
-not trigger Tunnels
-avoid trashing making a player discard his hand (so abusable, especially if you want this effect to target other players)

 "When one of your cards would be trashed, put it in your discard pile instead."
Edit: Or for any player: "When one of a player's cards would be trashed, that player instead puts it into their discard pile."
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Re: Some Fan Cards
« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2016, 07:52:38 pm »
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Here's a new idea, it's of the Lurker variety.

Resurrection (Action, $4)

+1 Action
+$1

You may either trash a card from your hand, trash this for +1 card, or gain a card from the trash.
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When you gain this from the trash, also gain a card from the Supply costing up to $7.
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Re: Some Fan Cards
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2016, 10:11:03 pm »
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Hey, did you ever finalize your other cards for me?
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Re: Some Fan Cards
« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2016, 01:01:30 am »
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Hey, did you ever finalize your other cards for me?

ThetaSigma12,

The only cards I like at this point are the two in my initial post (Impatient Market and Resurrection). I'd say those two are worthy of a mock up...?
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Re: Some Fan Cards
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2016, 06:25:41 pm »
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Another idea, this ones an event.

Deny ($12, Event)

Once per game: gain any action supply card, if you do, immediately trash the rest of the cards in that pile. That pile does not count towards the pile out.



What do you think? I have no idea about the cost. This event denys a pile out and/or denys your opponent from buying more copies of an important card.
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Re: Some Fan Cards
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2016, 06:44:45 pm »
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there was an outtake that gained all Actions from a pile, I don't think this is better.
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Re: Some Fan Cards
« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2016, 06:56:33 pm »
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Resurrection: It seems like this card does too much for it's cost of 4. "Gain a card from a trash" on an non thermal action card with no restrictions when grave robber doesn't seems too good. I also don't know about it's second effect "When you gain this from the trash, also gain a card from the Supply costing up to $7." I think the cost of 7 is too high, this card almost seems like a powercreep to feast.
Impatient Market: This works I guess. A market that's strong with thermal draw but weak versus "discard to" attacks.
Barricade: I don't like this attack effect since the player who plays the first barricade has a huge advantage, assuming everybody buys trashing cards.

Also can you please add all of your idea to your first post so they are easier to find.  ;)
 
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