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Re: Challenge: Write a Pearl Diver article
« Reply #50 on: September 28, 2016, 04:00:07 pm »
+1

Inheriting Great Halls seems so sad. Do you do that in the absence of trashing, but with a good engine, assuming no other good Inheritance targets? Or do you just skip Inheritance entirely?

$7 is a huge opportunity cost. The main scenario I can think of in which you might do this is an engine with copper trashing, no estate trashing, and no handsize increase.

I dunno, there are a decent number of boards where I'd pay $7 to trash 3 cards, and to activate an Event that let me trade 1 VP for $2. Easy Estate trashing is a reason not to do this, however.

Everyone else: Thanksfor the tips, will edit soon.
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Re: Challenge: Write a Pearl Diver article
« Reply #51 on: September 28, 2016, 04:41:57 pm »
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You can't inherit great halls.
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Re: Challenge: Write a Pearl Diver article
« Reply #52 on: September 28, 2016, 05:03:57 pm »
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Re: Challenge: Write a Pearl Diver article
« Reply #53 on: September 28, 2016, 05:25:51 pm »
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You can't inherit great halls.

I believe that the implied argument is that Pearl Diver is so useless than inheriting Pearl Diver only means you pay $2 for an Estate, which is still only as good as Great Hall (+1 Card, +1 Action, worth 1 VP).
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Re: Challenge: Write a Pearl Diver article
« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2016, 08:01:22 pm »
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You can't inherit great halls.
Especially now.
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Re: Challenge: Write a Pearl Diver article
« Reply #55 on: September 28, 2016, 08:09:53 pm »
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You can't inherit great halls.

I believe that the implied argument is that Pearl Diver is so useless than inheriting Pearl Diver only means you pay $2 for an Estate, which is still only as good as Great Hall (+1 Card, +1 Action, worth 1 VP).
Ah yes.
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Re: Challenge: Write a Pearl Diver article
« Reply #56 on: September 29, 2016, 07:29:05 am »
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How about using as fuel for Death Cart?
With Ruins, play PD to cycle your deck.
Without Ruins, sacrifice PD to keep DC.
When using DC and strong trashers, deck controlling shines more.

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Re: Challenge: Write a Pearl Diver article
« Reply #57 on: September 30, 2016, 12:36:12 am »
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a deck full of Peddlers has a lower density of more valuable cards, increasing the chances of a trashing attack miss.

King's Court is probably the least reliant on Peddler, as it is easier to chain multiple King's Courts than it is to chain multiple Throne Rooms, but Pearl Diver can still be nice in a pinch for KC engines.

These Peddlers should be Pearl Divers instead!
(A statement commonly made about Dominion decks?)
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Re: Challenge: Write a Pearl Diver article
« Reply #58 on: October 04, 2016, 12:16:01 am »
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One of my minor annoyances with pearl diver is when you only have one card left in your deck, a pearl diver in hand and donīt want to cause a reshuffle...
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Re: Challenge: Write a Pearl Diver article
« Reply #59 on: January 18, 2017, 04:09:21 pm »
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If pearl diver was a food, what sort of food would it be?

A styrofoam peanut.
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Re: Challenge: Write a Pearl Diver article
« Reply #60 on: January 18, 2017, 04:49:14 pm »
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If pearl diver was a food, what sort of food would it be?

A styrofoam peanut.

Or fakin bacon
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Re: Challenge: Write a Pearl Diver article
« Reply #61 on: January 19, 2017, 01:08:18 am »
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Chris is me: were you ever going to finish editing your article?  For example, mentioning Conspirator and Vassal, etc.  I think it's good enough to throw on the wiki once you're done.
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Re: Challenge: Write a Pearl Diver article
« Reply #62 on: January 19, 2017, 01:49:41 pm »
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I will eventually make the changes and post a revised version here. Most of the free time I have for this sort of thing is at work, where both the Forum and wiki are blocked; lots of emailing back and forth to myself required. So I would be super grateful if someone else pasted it to the wiki.  Let's see if I can get this revised today.

Edit: Made small changes on my phone, mentioned cards people brought up. Anything else?
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Re: Challenge: Write a Pearl Diver article
« Reply #63 on: January 19, 2017, 02:13:51 pm »
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90% of the article about Pearl Diver could be filed under "when is a raw cantrip better than nothing?"  It probably should be edited out of Seaside 2nd Edition, if anything.

I think a Pearl Diver article would essentially be the "better than nothing?" article with a half-dozen edge cases tacked on at the end, if that many.  Vassal, Mystic, Jack of All Trades, Duchess.  Mostly just Mystic, though.  Maybe some fan cards.


Wishing Pearl
Treasure
Cost: $3

+$3
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Whenever this becomes the top card of your deck, take your -1 Card token.
Whenever you shuffle your deck, put this card on the bottom.
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Setup:  Add Wishing Well and Pearl Diver to the Supply.
(The back of this card is unique.)
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Re: Challenge: Write a Pearl Diver article
« Reply #64 on: January 19, 2017, 03:31:38 pm »
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I will eventually make the changes and post a revised version here. Most of the free time I have for this sort of thing is at work, where both the Forum and wiki are blocked; lots of emailing back and forth to myself required. So I would be super grateful if someone else pasted it to the wiki.  Let's see if I can get this revised today.

Edit: Made small changes on my phone, mentioned cards people brought up. Anything else?

Looks pretty good.
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Re: Challenge: Write a Pearl Diver article
« Reply #65 on: February 04, 2017, 08:40:21 am »
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I've discovered what might be an interesting piece of trivia about pearl diver if it true lol. I believe that pearl diver dates back to the original version of dominion. Before you completely cycled through your deck. We know from the secret histories that the original shuffle rule was that if you didn't have enough cards to resolve an action, you took what was left of your deck and shuffled it into your discard pile then that was your new deck. Obviously, if there are good cards on the bottom of your deck, they'd miss the shuffle again, and you'd have to wait to use the good cards. Pearl Diver was a way around this problem. Allowing players to look at then top deck a card they wanted meant that they actually got a chance to use it in many instances. I believe that when the shuffle rule was changed in development, pearl diver was never updated to reflect the new rule, and was far less useful.
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