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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #375 on: September 27, 2016, 12:37:01 pm »
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Why does Mill not use the "if you do" wording?
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #376 on: September 27, 2016, 12:45:17 pm »
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Why does Mill not use the "if you do" wording?

The "You may X for Y" wording is the new simplified version across multiple cards.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #377 on: September 27, 2016, 01:45:05 pm »
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Rebuild games are like sorting socks. On a normal day, you can go shopping, or have a walk, or read a book, or paint the fence, and it's your choice. On sock ordering day, you order socks, and your choices get limited to whether you order by color, material or size. You still choose something, and maybe it's an art by itself, but that doesn't change that every sock-ordering day, you're forced to order socks.
Who orders socks anyway? It's such a pointless exercise. They all fit both feet!
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #378 on: September 27, 2016, 01:54:11 pm »
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Rebuild games are like sorting socks. On a normal day, you can go shopping, or have a walk, or read a book, or paint the fence, and it's your choice. On sock ordering day, you order socks, and your choices get limited to whether you order by color, material or size. You still choose something, and maybe it's an art by itself, but that doesn't change that every sock-ordering day, you're forced to order socks.
Who orders socks anyway? It's such a pointless exercise. They all fit both feet!

I buy all of my socks the same.  That way they don't have to be sorted.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #379 on: September 27, 2016, 05:00:56 pm »
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My concern is with all the pre-made sets of 10 from later boxes that include Dominion/Intrigue. Will new copies of later boxes (and, if so, from what date) have pre-sets that work with the 2nd editions of the first two boxes? Will they include both? As someone who is gradually working through all the boxes (I currently have Dominion, Intrigue, Seaside, Prosperity, Cornucopia, and Guilds), I'm worried half my boxes will have suggested sets that work with the 1st editions of Dominion/Intrigue and half with the 2nd editions. That would frustrate me greatly.
I do not have any dates. New rulebooks will include recommended sets with the new editions and not with the old editions.

If you want the recommended sets with old cards I imagine the wiki will continue to have them. If you're worried about it you could go to the RGG site now and save the rulebook .pdfs for all the expansions.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #380 on: September 27, 2016, 05:04:25 pm »
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Why does Mill not use the "if you do" wording?
It's part of a general drive to simplify wordings. In the case of Mill, since you need two cards and might just have one, possibly it should still say "if you do," as Trading Post does. However it is much rarer to have a reason to want to discard your only remaining card (just drawn) to Mill despite not getting the $, than it is to want to play Trading Post with only one other card in hand.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #381 on: September 27, 2016, 05:05:05 pm »
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So what exactly is the lady on the horse with the bow and arrow supposed to be Harbinging?
I THINK that's an army in the background.  She's harbinging the approach of the army, and presumably the imminent destruction of Steve's little town.  Poor Steve.
It will one day be clearer as an army in the background.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #382 on: September 27, 2016, 05:16:19 pm »
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So what exactly is the lady on the horse with the bow and arrow supposed to be Harbinging?
I THINK that's an army in the background.  She's harbinging the approach of the army, and presumably the imminent destruction of Steve's little town.  Poor Steve.
It will one day be clearer as an army in the background.
Why do the (online) rulebooks have terrible resolution?
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #383 on: September 27, 2016, 05:48:47 pm »
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My concern is with all the pre-made sets of 10 from later boxes that include Dominion/Intrigue. Will new copies of later boxes (and, if so, from what date) have pre-sets that work with the 2nd editions of the first two boxes? Will they include both? As someone who is gradually working through all the boxes (I currently have Dominion, Intrigue, Seaside, Prosperity, Cornucopia, and Guilds), I'm worried half my boxes will have suggested sets that work with the 1st editions of Dominion/Intrigue and half with the 2nd editions. That would frustrate me greatly.
I do not have any dates. New rulebooks will include recommended sets with the new editions and not with the old editions.

If you want the recommended sets with old cards I imagine the wiki will continue to have them. If you're worried about it you could go to the RGG site now and save the rulebook .pdfs for all the expansions.

Thanks :) The wiki has already switched to new sets of ten (though I'm not sure where they got their information from as to what they are) for all the boxes, though I suppose dominiondeck.com will keep the old ones as well. I hit upon the idea of saving the pdf rule books earlier today so will have copies in case I do get a box that then refers to cards I don't yet have. I noticed Empires reccomemded sets don't use any of the now removed cards, which I guess was deliberate.

I think I'm going to stick with my plan of getting Hinterlands next, then update to 2nd editions, then crack open guilds (I have it as I got it in a set with Cornucopia but am keeping it on lockdown) and get Dark Ages and Alchemy.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #384 on: September 27, 2016, 06:09:38 pm »
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But there are tons of awful cards in Seaside! There's Pearl Diver, Embargo, Explorer, Island, Pirate Ship, Haven, Lookout, Smugglers, and Navigator!
On this forum there is a general tendency to dislike weak cards and I really don't understand why. Except the unbalanced ones like Scout, weak cards are fine and add sometimes a lot more subtlety than strong cards. And using them just a little could sometimes be the key to win the game. They are never going to be the most important engine pieces, but they still have an influence on how the game plays. And we need them, otherwise the game would always be too heavy. I would prefer so much a board with Witch + Navigator + Pearl Diver than, say, Witch + Goons + Tournament.

Really, except pirate ship which is unbalanced, they are all fine.

I think updating the few broken-strong cards is more a priority
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #385 on: September 27, 2016, 06:15:03 pm »
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Why do the (online) rulebooks have terrible resolution?
To have the file be a conveniently small size for a variety of users. The file at full resolution is much larger.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #386 on: September 27, 2016, 06:26:06 pm »
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Why do the (online) rulebooks have terrible resolution?
To have the file be a conveniently small size for a variety of users. The file at full resolution is much larger.
Is it possible a folder could be available for download? (Makes it easier on wero)
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #387 on: September 27, 2016, 06:31:52 pm »
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Why do the (online) rulebooks have terrible resolution?
To have the file be a conveniently small size for a variety of users. The file at full resolution is much larger.
Is it possible a folder could be available for download? (Makes it easier on wero)
Feel free to make your case to RGG; I am satisfied with the quality of rulebooks they provide.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #388 on: September 28, 2016, 08:25:51 am »
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #389 on: September 28, 2016, 08:41:44 am »
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A few observations on Lurker (some of these have already been mentioned):

It does seem to be a slow card indeed, requiring a pair (or TR/KC) most times to gain actions (so not to risk opponents sniping actions you've trashed with their own Lurkers) but I can definitely see a variety of opportunities for it to be pretty strong and versatile in certain kingdoms. 

It can gain potion cards without potions (e.g. Familiar, Possession), debt cards without taking debt (e.g. City Quarter), expensive cards like KC or Prince without the $, Grand Market with coppers in play, etc.

There are of course lots of cards with fun on-trash benefits from Dark Ages: trash a Cultist for a double Lab, trash a Squire for an Attack card, trash a Rats for a cantrip, trash a Hunting Grounds for a Duchy, etc.

Lurker can be a straight-up Fortress gainer--with Fortress in the supply, a Lurker in your hand can become a Fortress in your hand! 

It's strong with TfB: keep your Apprentice engine going by continuously regaining trashed actions for fodder, pick up actions your opponent fed to Salvager to feed to your own Salvager, etc. 

And as others have mentioned, it's great for pile control--it doesn't take too many throned Lurkers to drain that third pile for a surprise ending. 

Lurker will be situational for sure, but it still looks like a lot of fun!
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #390 on: September 28, 2016, 08:49:54 am »
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Lurker will probably be one of the most interactive cards in Dominion. Knowing where your opponent's lurkers are and knowing what cards they don't want will help a lot the odd lurker. Add three pile potential and tfb tricks, and you have a card that looks really fun. Sort of like Messenger, but Messenger is held back a good deal by that first buy clause.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #391 on: September 28, 2016, 10:59:34 pm »
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Will the update pack for Dominion come with the trash mat?
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #392 on: September 28, 2016, 11:43:03 pm »
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Will the update pack for Dominion come with the trash mat?

Nope.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #393 on: September 28, 2016, 11:44:12 pm »
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Someone should update the wikipedia article.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #394 on: September 28, 2016, 11:54:51 pm »
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Someone should update the wikipedia article.

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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #395 on: September 29, 2016, 12:25:26 am »
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Will the update pack for Dominion come with the trash mat?

Nope.

Presumably future copies of the Base Cards will come with it?
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #396 on: September 29, 2016, 12:30:11 am »
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A few observations on Lurker (some of these have already been mentioned):

It can gain ... Grand Market with coppers in play, etc.

Only with Black Market, Storyteller, or Villa.  ;)
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #397 on: September 29, 2016, 02:24:02 am »
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Will the update pack for Dominion come with the trash mat?

Nope.

Presumably future copies of the Base Cards will come with it?
I don't presume that and don't know.

The Trash mat, it's not some awesome thing to desperately try to acquire. It's better than the Trash card, but the Trash section of the table has always worked for me. You can also take e.g. a Tavern mat and turn it over.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #398 on: September 29, 2016, 03:46:08 am »
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Will the update pack for Dominion come with the trash mat?

Nope.

Presumably future copies of the Base Cards will come with it?
I don't presume that and don't know.

The Trash mat, it's not some awesome thing to desperately try to acquire. It's better than the Trash card, but the Trash section of the table has always worked for me. You can also take e.g. a Tavern mat and turn it over.

I have never actually used any Trash card or mat. We always put the trashed cards on a pile on the table sideways, so we don't get confused with the supply piles.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #399 on: September 29, 2016, 02:30:50 pm »
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Someone should update the wikipedia article.

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