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All the Fan Cards you could ever want! (300+ Images!)
« on: September 14, 2016, 01:32:35 pm »
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I'm planning to redo many fan cards that have appeared on this forum and beyond. For the older ones, I'll update the wording and whatnot. The newer ones will mainly be for the sake of consistency. I'll also add some of my cards I made, and link to other threads where you can get more juicy fan cards that are so good I won't do them.
Disclaimer: Most of these are being done solely as the work of a fan (yes, a work of a fan on a work of a fan). For most of these, I'm simply hoping to redo the templates and add some balancing based on my playtesting experience.

A few things to know before you browse:
-Seasons and Flash mechanics were developed by Co0kiel0rd (Also Asper for Seasons). Click them to find the thread with the rules, and check out the other cards.
-Please point out typos. I find it helpful, not annoying.
-Click the images to zoom in.
-Click the quote by the creator to find the source thread.
-Unless you would necro the thread, please continue the discussion of the card effects in the original thread.
-Under the card, you'll see some words "By: X" or "Creator: X" refers to the creator's name. "Illustration: X" refers to the artist's name.
-There are a few tags I may have added. (Modded) means I substantially changed the card from the original. (Edited) means it's roughly the same but it may function differently in certain edge cases. (Recosted) means I just changed the cost.
-The second quote box is my thoughts on the expansion. Under that you'll see some headings, "-" meaning a change I might make, "+" meaning a card I'll add, and "~" meaning cards I won't do.
-There's a new word, "during". Any effect that happens "during" X, happens the next time you reach X, or now if you're already in X.
-Some Reserves say "you may call a X". This means that you may only call one X to react to a certain event.
-I give every reply a +1
-If you're a creator and have a beef with me about something, post about it here please, or PM me if you want to.
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Re: Fan Card Mock-Ups 2.0
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2016, 08:51:46 am »
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Adversity by MultiTalented:
This is a set that aims to be a standalone expansion. It does not use any tokens or rely on any cards from other expansions. I tried to encompass all the essential aspects of Dominion, and I'll be adding more cards later. The theme is adversity and the unfair nature of life.
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This is one of my favorite fan expansions! Exotic Traders is just classic.
+Ingratitude
~Inquisition, Travellers

Asper's Cards
"Asper's Cards" were created with the main goal to make original but relatively easy to understand cards by using existing game mechanics. As most mechanics of Dominion are visited, the collection also works as a Treasure Chest, with each official set up to Empires having at least 2 cards dedicated to it. The "set" currently has: A -token cantrip, a card you can spend more than one action on, a Victory card that attacks to become worth more, a card that starts out in the trash, a curser, a card that makes you fall behind in points when you play it, a Event, and at least one horrible pun
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So, yeah. Some of the best cards on the forums. Seriously. Anywho, Asper doesnít like the nitty gritty typo stuff so I redid them all to fix that.





Auto-Destruct-Sequence's Cards:
This is my first attempt at creating a fan expansion. There are 24 cards. I did my best to try to include various card types with a good deal of interactions.
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One of the older expansions, this one disappeared into the mists of time, but here it is! Several cards got moved into outtakes because the expansion is a little dated. But there are still some really cool ideas in here, Dilemma is a personal favorite.
-I'd like to change some of the outtakes, like Refund. They still have promise, but the original version is kinda annoying.
-There's a lot of different ways Dilemma could go with the concept. It might not stay the same.
-Construction could use art in higher detail.
>Keep, see Flagship
>Charlatan, see Blackmail
>Harlot, see Humble Castle
~Boom Town, Philanthropist, Refuse, Reserve.

Ben_King's Cards:
Over the past few months, I've been working on making some of my own Dominion cards.  Mostly they're just random ideas, but there are a couple themes lurking that may get organized enough to turn into a fan expansion someday:

1) Cards that get treasures into play during the action phase (a la Black Market and Storyteller) and action cards that benefit from having treasures in play.
2) Cards that would best be online only (Elixir and Quintessence - since they really should only be in the game if there are other Potion cards).  I've been working on my own online Dominion interface and am planning to implement them there. [Note: I didn't do either of these]

I'm sure some of these ideas have probably been done before, but I'd love to know what you guys think about them.
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Another oldie. This one has some really cool cards in it, the whole "Treasures in Action phase" is a good concept to go with.
-Foundry and Hoarder could use better art.
+I might do Elixir and Quintessence.
~Iron Mask, Manor.

Civilization by ThetaSigma12 & AdrianHealey
Greetings forum,

A while ago Roadrunner and I started working on an expansion together, we were stuck a bit, until Theta joined us and then everything went pretty quickly. So today I have the honor to present to you the beta version of a new fan expansion called 'civilization'. Most of the cards have seen sufficient playtesting to warrant 'probably ok' label, but some could use some more.
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I did this expansions with Adrian healey. It has a lot of mechanichs introduced by newer sets.



Conspiracy by kru5h
My cards aspire to be the sequel to Intrigue. Lots of choices and duality. I call it Dominion: Conspiracy.
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I did all of these cards for kru5h. The versions here may have different names and/or art then the cards he originally posted.
+Pupil/Campus, Trap
~The rest





Greed by Fragasnap:
Dominion: Greed is a fan expansion that has been in the making since the release of Dominion: Guilds in 2013 between myself and Lamestar, a friend of mine.
This expansion for Dominion consists of 21 Kingdom cards, with more pending testing. The set has two mechanical themes: Cards which harm the user (providing negative effects) and "in games using this" effects.
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I Love this expansion! "In Games Using This" is a great theme. I originally planned not to do these, but switching out the art was to tempting. I like the digital stuff, not the icky paintings ;D.
-Architect and Inventor use 7 wonders art, which is good but not the best fit.
-Idol will be changed by Fragasnap soon.
+War Flag when it's changed.

Highlands by SettingFraming:
I've been playing Dominion for a while, but haven't really spent any time on this part of the forum. Anyways, I made a small expansion (12 cards). They're mountain themed. I'll let you guys figure out the play theme (if there is one).
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Stuff, a few goodies, maybe more blah blach blah. Too laxy to write something up right now.
>Mountain Village, see Sea Shanty

Holy Order by General Ramos:
This post has been updated to reflect the current state of the cards. The following are more or less stable right now.
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The art for this mainly consisted of pictures, so I wanted to change that. In finding the art, I changed a lot of the names, so unfortunately the Church theme is less present.
-Give some of them their old names back if I can find art for them. I don't like dropping all the theme, but some of them (like Holy Vesteament) were just too obscure.
+Tithe, Labryrinth, Corvee
~Everything else



MattLee's Cards:
Hi all! This is my first shot at making cards and I'd love any and all input I can get before I print them out. I only own the base set (1st and 2nd edition), Intrigue (1st and 2nd), Seaside, and Prosperity but I am familiar with most of the other cards. If a card of mine is very similar to a card in a later expansion me know. I only play 2 player and usually colony/platinum games so cards that work for those games are my priority but I want them balanced for all games if possible. I prefer cards that are simple, don't slow down the game, and are unique.
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Some of my pal MattLee's cards, with maybe more later.

McGarnacle's Cards:
Using Violet CLM's fantastic Dominion Card Image Generator (Note: It's great but I didn't use it), I've made some Fan Cards I would like your opinions on. They are supposed to work with Alchemy and Cornucopia specifically (2 of my fav expansions), using some ideas I've seen previously like the + mechanic, which is awesome.
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McGarnacle's a buddy of mine, so I did some of his cards because I like them.

Mini-Set Design Contest
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The winners of the Mini-Set design contest!
-Instructor could revert to tit's original name of "Royal Tutor"
+Future Winners




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Re: Fan Card Mock-Ups 2.0
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2016, 07:33:59 pm »
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Mini-Set Losers
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These cards didn't quite make the set, but I made them anyway!
+Maybe more?



Plauge by Plasticbrain:
Hail, weary pilgrim... rest while I tell a dark tale of disaster.... and redemption!  On comes Plague, a dangerous new mini-expansion for Dominion. I hope you 'enjoy' Curses as much as I do... mwah ha ha HAAAA!!

... bear in mind, that only 5 of these 13 cards actually give Curses. I also designed them specifically so while they have fun interactions amongst themselves, they could go into any random Dominion game and be fun individually. let me know what you think, but please spend a little time with them. Their dark, risky edge brings something pretty different to the Dominion universe, but that doesn't make them bad or not fun. My whole concept was to make Curses fun after all!
--Don Riddle 'plasticbrain'
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GeeJo found most of the original art. There are some cool ones in here, and Sewers is one of the few fan Landmarks
+Misfortune, when I post Supplements.
>Mortuary, see Creek
~Pauper, Plague Doctor, Quarantine.



Resurgance by LibraryAdventuer:
Making a fan expansion (or at least calling your bunch of fan cards a fan expansion) seems the thing to do these days for people who like to make fan cards.  So here's my fan expansion, in its current condition.
  Flavor themes: Restoration and Inheritance. This is to come in the story timeline next after Dark Ages.
  Mechanic themes: durations and mixed-type victory cards along with a bit of a treasure chest of other expansion mechanics.
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There's some good ideas in here. Accountants is a personal favorite, but I suggest you donít play it with Nobles.
-Fortifications will go back to Foundations, when I find the right art.
+Mortar Repair, Generous Benefactor, Gargoyle, Kingdom Restoration
~Preserve cards, Collectables, Ancestral Crypt, Royal Hierloom, Iron Furnace

Roots & Renewal + Co0kiel0rdís Other Cards
Roots and Renewal has been around for over one and a half years now and although I havenít posted any news in a while, Iíve constantly developed, tested, reworked, fine-tuned and scratched cards for this set. A huge thanks goes to Asper for countless fun and interesting test games and plenty of feedback. Also thanks to Fragasnap and LastFootnote for their help and everybody else on the forum for commenting.

Roots and Renewal is still some ways afar from being finished so itís time I cleaned up this thread, rid it of outdated images and uploaded updated versions as well as some new cards. Just to remind everyone, the setís themes are still the following:

  • Interaction with the Supply
  • Manipulation of the opening turns
  • Powerful and unusual reactions
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Only a few art swaps, but hopefully more.
-Builder references Battlement, you can find that in the other cards thread for now.
+Reconvert, Benefit

ShadowLancer's Cards:
Hey guys! For my first forum post, here are a bunch of card ideas I came up with. I havenít really playtested any of them, so they might be terribly imbalanced. Tell me what you guys think!
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I really love some of these! Aresenal is a favorite.
~Fire Pit, Boomerang, Genie


Strive & Reward by DBnator
This is my first try at making a fan-expansion and I'm not that experienced with Dominion yet, so any kind of feedback is appreciated a lot. :)
My goal was to focus on gaining/discarding/trashing Treasure cards and creating interesting interactions and tactics.
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A recent expansion! This one just needed some wording edits (DBnator is not a native english speaker), and I like my templates better :P. I didn't need to do this one, but it's here.
-Looking for new art for some
+Launderer

ThetaSigma12ís Other Cards
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These are my other cards, many based on cards from otherís expansions.



Warlords & Wizards by 461.weavile
The primary goal I had when beginning this expansion was to make the Potion games more fun. They seemed to not be worth it, especially with very few cards that cost a potion in a Kingdom. So there are a few new cards that cost potion, a way to avoid buying Potions sometimes, ways to use the Potion for something after you buy what you need, and Events that cost potion.

Once that was done, it just didn't seem to be enough, so I started to do what our beloved DXV can't really do, and combine concepts from different expansions. I combined Alchemy with Adventures, Dark Ages, and Seaside. I combined Dark Ages with Adventures, Alchemy, Cornucopia, Guilds, Prosperity, and Seaside. I combined Adventures with a whole bunch of things and brought a couple Victory Point Tokens back.

I tried not to go overboard with new mechanics... [Note: Cut for length, click the quote to read the rest]
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There's a lot in here, and plenty of them I probably won't ever do. But there are still some really good ones, and 461.weavile made some really good Events!
+Magical Hammer
~Everything else.




Other Cards:
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Hoo boy, I should break this up. Plenty of fun ones in here!
+Way way more.





Outtakes:
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These are all good in their own way but are eclipsed by very simmilar cards that use the same idea better. Some could make a comeback, and some will probably be added :P.


-Thanks to Asper, Co0kiel0rd, LastFootnote, GeneralRamos, and Herw for their templates!
-Thanks to Thanar for helping me find some of the artist's names!
-Thanks to LibraryAdventurer for giving me some pointers!
-Thanks to Nflicker and McGanacle for your support and +1s!
-Thanks to Donald X. for some wording tips, and for dominion in general.
-Thanks to all the creators!
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Re: Fan Card Mock-Ups 2.0
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2016, 07:07:20 am »
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Weekly Cards!


Sea Shanty is an interesting Village variant NoMoreFun made for a hypothetical 2nd edition of Seaside.

Exotic Traders gives you a , but both cards miss the shuffle. On some boards it's on the weaker end, but can get insane with good trashing and plenty of good s.

Maid is a very interesting Oasis variant. She cleans your hand up, *poof* that Curse is a Copper! Possibly good enough to cost , but her unreliability with your discard pile can be a big drawback, and she will never make any progress through your deck.
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Re: Fan Card Mock-Ups 2.0
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2016, 08:41:49 am »
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Arsenal was by far my favorite, so it's fitting to be at the top of the list. I bumped the cost to because it seems too much better than Expedition at .
Huh? How can you directly compare an Event with a terminal Reserve card?
Arsenal was by the way fine at 2. The problem with Reserve terminal draw is that you virtually always wanna call them immediately so they are only very slightly better than duration terminal draws. And duration terminal draws are probably roughly equal in strength to ordinary terminal draw ... and +2 Cards is really not all that strong.
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Re: Fan Card Mock-Ups 2.0
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2016, 08:47:28 am »
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Expedition costs and gives you +2 Cards next turn. This costs and when you play it it gives +2 Cards next turn. On second thought it does seem week for and might be better at . But then is it too good for ?
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2016, 09:10:41 am »
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Expedition is a terminal Event, i.e. you need to spend a buy for it. Arsenal is a normal terminal card which you can play several times. You can hardly directly compare them.

+2 Cards is weaker than Moat so it is weaker than a 2$ (which doesn't really mean much). As Duration or Reserve card Aresenal could be slightly better in some circumstances but this hardly justifies a price increase to 3$. I cannot imagine buying Arsenal over Oracle in many Kingdoms.
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2016, 11:25:04 am »
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I agree with Tristan's thoughts about Arsenal.  I think 2 is a fine cost for it.  I'm not sure what I think about your changes to Contest.  I think I might like the old version better. 
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2016, 11:36:50 am »
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I agree with Tristan's thoughts about Arsenal.  I think 2 is a fine cost for it.  I'm not sure what I think about your changes to Contest.  I think I might like the old version better. 
Expedition is a terminal Event, i.e. you need to spend a buy for it. Arsenal is a normal terminal card which you can play several times. You can hardly directly compare them.

+2 Cards is weaker than Moat so it is weaker than a 2$ (which doesn't really mean much). As Duration or Reserve card Aresenal could be slightly better in some circumstances but this hardly justifies a price increase to 3$. I cannot imagine buying Arsenal over Oracle in many Kingdoms.
Okay I'll redo Aresnal at . I don't fully agree with your logic, but the end result seems fine.

As for contest, I'll post a different version identical to the original.
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Re: Fan Card Mock-Ups 2.0
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2016, 12:10:42 pm »
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Auto-Destruct-Sequence's Cards! Please see the OP!
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2016, 12:38:47 pm »
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Thanks!  The cards look great!  If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion, it will be easier to keep track of the different sets if you put all the cards from one set in one post, label it as the redone set, and then edit it if you need to change anything, that way we can keep track of which set is which.  Thanks :)
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2016, 12:41:52 pm »
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Hmm, looking at Mad scientist, I like the concept, but not a big fan of the name or art for the card.  I know you're reusing the old one.  I think I would prefer it if it was renamed (I don't know--Deranged Serf or something :) and made with new art.  The mad scientist art doesn't feel like it fits either medieval or roman theme very well.  Oh and by the way, I think your art pics are great, I hope you don't feel I was being too critical.  I find your art choices to be excellent, Reimburse and Contest are great examples of amazing art redoes. 
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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2016, 01:14:03 pm »
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Hmm, looking at Mad scientist, I like the concept, but not a big fan of the name or art for the card.  I know you're reusing the old one.  I think I would prefer it if it was renamed (I don't know--Deranged Serf or something :) and made with new art.  The mad scientist art doesn't feel like it fits either medieval or roman theme very well.  Oh and by the way, I think your art pics are great, I hope you don't feel I was being too critical.  I find your art choices to be excellent, Reimburse and Contest are great examples of amazing art redoes.
I'll do an alternate version.
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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2016, 01:34:33 pm »
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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2016, 03:13:08 pm »
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I really like the munitions art. Awesome stuff, man!
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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2016, 03:20:02 pm »
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I really like the munitions art. Awesome stuff, man!
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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2016, 03:37:39 pm »
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I don't understand how Petitioner is not supremely overpowered as is.  Shouldn't it at least cost 6?  Discarding victory cards does not seem like that big of a drawback. 
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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2016, 03:51:42 pm »
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I don't understand how Petitioner is not supremely overpowered as is.  Shouldn't it at least cost 6?  Discarding victory cards does not seem like that big of a drawback.
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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2016, 02:23:16 pm »
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I don't know why this needs "if this is on your tavern mat" on it? You can't call it unless it's on your tavern mat; it's just extra unnecessary wording.
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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2016, 08:54:20 pm »
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I love it! Pretty much all the changes you made (card names, art, wording, prices) were super great improvements.

Now I realize I was probably overvaluing Disassemble (originally priced at $5) just because you can trash an estate and get $3 early on. Later on, it becomes not-so-great, so I think the $3 price is good.

I also like the old version of Contest better. I wonder if it would work even better as a landmark? Something like "Once per game, when you have at least $12 available, you may gain a prize from the prize pile." It feels much cleaner than paying a bunch of money and getting it back instantly.
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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2016, 03:35:59 pm »
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I love it! Pretty much all the changes you made (card names, art, wording, prices) were super great improvements.

Now I realize I was probably overvaluing Disassemble (originally priced at $5) just because you can trash an estate and get $3 early on. Later on, it becomes not-so-great, so I think the $3 price is good.

I also like the old version of Contest better. I wonder if it would work even better as a landmark? Something like "Once per game, when you have at least $12 available, you may gain a prize from the prize pile." It feels much cleaner than paying a bunch of money and getting it back instantly.
Contest is fine as an Event. I'll put dissasemble at 3 too.
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2016, 05:49:26 pm »
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Prison and Reimburse got swanky new art, Petitioner got balanced and Merchant got a renam (dealer).

Looking good.  What sets are Prison and Reimburse from?
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Prison and Reimburse got swanky new art, Petitioner got balanced and Merchant got a renam (dealer).

Looking good.  What sets are Prison and Reimburse from?
Shadow Lancers.
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« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2016, 09:30:37 pm »
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@ThetaSigma12 Do you actually print the cards with the artwork in color? Doesn't that get expensive? If not, how do you do it? /What do you use?

When I use fan cards, I don't print the art at all*, mainly because printing the usual way in color would get expensive and most of the art wouldn't look right in black & white. Also, it's a lot less trouble just to put the text in card-shaped boxes in Word and print that way, but I'd like to get my expansion printed using the mock-ups at some point (when the cards are more final).
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« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2016, 07:25:15 am »
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@ThetaSigma12 Do you actually print the cards with the artwork in color? Doesn't that get expensive? If not, how do you do it? /What do you use?
Yes. I haven't printed some in a while, but I also use the art on TTS. It's not that expensive, you can get over 100 cards for 40 bucks worth of ink. You might be able to get 200 but I don't want to make outlandish promises.
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Sounds good. I would like come in and finish with the nicer versions at some point, because there are a lot of cool cards I'd like to test. Honestly though, your cards are a lot of work. And I've alredy started working on the next expansion after Civilization, since it's gonna need a LOT of playtesting.

FYI Fountain Gargolye doesn't need the looter type, look at vagrant.
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« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2016, 02:48:13 pm »
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Yes. I haven't printed some in a while, but I also use the art on TTS. It's not that expensive, you can get over 100 cards for 40 bucks worth of ink. You might be able to get 200 but I don't want to make outlandish promises.
100 cards as in 100 different cards with 10 each, or 10 piles of 10 cards each?  If it's the latter, then it's out of my price range.

FYI Fountain Gargolye doesn't need the looter type, look at vagrant.
I just listed the looter type for Fountain Gargoyle as a joke. Definitely don't include it if you mock it up.

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« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2016, 02:56:34 pm »
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The way I print things out is as follows:
-I find cards on the Forum, or make them myself, and I get one copy as an image.
-I use an OpenOffice Draw sheet to arrange the cards in a 2 x 4 block, after resizing them all to 2.25 x 3.5 inches.
-I print out the 8-card sheet on a semi-gloss photo printer paper, at medium quality in full color.
-I cut out all the 8 cards and affix them to a regular dominion card (usualy from my old base cards).
-In games, I put the card above a pile, with 10 blank cards beneath them (8 for victory cards). I have 6 piles of 10 blank cards, each with a different symbol.
-When you buy a fan card, you take a blank card from the pile beneath it.
-When you play a blank card, you look to see what pile it symbol correspons to, and play it as the designated card from that pile.

So long story short, I print out 1 copy in full color, and use it as a place holder.
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« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2016, 01:43:43 pm »
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59mm x 92mm is not a format every printing company supports but there is one, I am happy with the quality and a single card cost less than 0.20Ä. Of course you run into the issue of having to scan the backs and the printing result of the backs not perfectly matching the look of the backs of official cards such that you can actually tell whether a fan card is on top of your deck if you really look ... but if that isn't an issue to you fully printed fan cards are only moderately more expensive than official cards.
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« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2016, 07:58:39 am »
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Adversity by Multitalented! Please see the OP!
Plauge by Plasticbrain! Please see the OP!
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More Cards! Please see the OP!
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« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2016, 08:06:32 am »
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Looks fantastic, Theta! My favorites are Templar and Spellbook. I think dying village should have its wording changed a bit. At first it seemed to be strictly better then Laboratory.
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« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2016, 08:08:26 am »
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It's a lost city, then lab, then moat.

Templar is great and spellbook works best with other cards, or with Asper's Research.
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« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2016, 09:42:16 am »
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I embrace that you are crediting the authors now. Here's a bit of feedback on your changes.

Swamp by Asper


Your art picked for Swamp is an improvement - or rather, it looks just as good, but makes more sense, thematically. However, if I ever decide to change the name, I'll let a little more effort go into it than just take your's - after all, Capitols are a bit too modern for Dominion in my book. "Capital" would have been nice, if it wasn't already taken. Maybe something that has the same connotation, but fits the time. I'm open for suggestions there in my thread. Either way, Swamp's always been a bit unimaginative for a Landmark, so I'm not sure it'll stick around, after all.

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Farmer by Asper


Your art for Farmer is rather nice. It's not crazy beautiful, but it's an improvement over my original pick and goes with Cornucopia's "If in doubt, depict women"-theme. If you were willing to tell me the source, I'd consider exchanging it when I have time.

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Scientist by Asper


I still think my image for Scientist is better than the one you picked - I simply believe it fits the style of the game better. At the very least, it really didn't need replacement.

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Edit: Wow, I just noticed you even added my expansion symbol on my cards. Fancy that.

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Crapppppppppppp the cards all have that poopy white bar arghhhhhhhhhhhhh :-\

I'll link the art for Farmer.

Capitol seems no more modern then Scientist or Royal Blackmiths glasses or a lot fo guilds.
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« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2016, 08:58:05 pm »
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Crapppppppppppp the cards all have that poopy white bar arghhhhhhhhhhhhh :-\

I'll link the art for Farmer.

Capitol seems no more modern then Scientist or Royal Blackmiths glasses or a lot fo guilds.

Glasses go back to the 13th century. A Capitol in the meaning you use for the card didn't exist before the 18th century.

Also, art isn't that big a thing compared to a card name. An anachronism slipped in Philosopher's Stone's art in that the lock on it didn't exist in the medieval ages. However, nobody ever lines out Philosopher's Stone as an anachronism, because the card's theme isn't one. This applies to a lot of Dominion cards, of course. I can imagine Groundskeeper as fan art for "Desperate Housewifes", but not as art for a medieval game. In fact, both of the artist's contributions to Empires are as pretty as they are unfitting. I really wish they weren't that way, but at least they're not named equally improper. I mean, I would have generally discouraged Donald from pursuing a "Roman" theme in Empires, too, but that's beside the point. Let's just say I'm pretty sure there's an option that's better than both Capitol and Swamp.

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« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2016, 04:20:32 pm »
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Your art picked for Swamp is an improvement - or rather, it looks just as good, but makes more sense, thematically. ... Capitols are a bit too modern for Dominion in my book. ... Maybe something that has the same connotation, but fits the time.

How about Fortification(s) as a name for this event? Some fortifications, such as defensive walls, could surround fairly large territories, and they increase the value of the land they enclose/fortify, so it fits thematically for a card that increases the VP value of victory cards which mostly represent land. They also existed in medieval times - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_fortification - and there are various possibilities for artwork (archer towers, city walls, mottes and baileys, etc.)
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Your art picked for Swamp is an improvement - or rather, it looks just as good, but makes more sense, thematically. ... Capitols are a bit too modern for Dominion in my book. ... Maybe something that has the same connotation, but fits the time.

How about Fortification(s) as a name for this event? Some fortifications, such as defensive walls, could surround fairly large territories, and they increase the value of the land they enclose/fortify, so it fits thematically for a card that increases the VP value of victory cards which mostly represent land. They also existed in medieval times - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_fortification - and there are various possibilities for artwork (archer towers, city walls, mottes and baileys, etc.)

I like this idea.
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Your art picked for Swamp is an improvement - or rather, it looks just as good, but makes more sense, thematically. ... Capitols are a bit too modern for Dominion in my book. ... Maybe something that has the same connotation, but fits the time.

How about Fortification(s) as a name for this event? Some fortifications, such as defensive walls, could surround fairly large territories, and they increase the value of the land they enclose/fortify, so it fits thematically for a card that increases the VP value of victory cards which mostly represent land. They also existed in medieval times - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_fortification - and there are various possibilities for artwork (archer towers, city walls, mottes and baileys, etc.)

Already replied to this, but apparently my post didn't go through.

I thought about "Border" as a name for the Landmark before, but I couldn't make up my mind whether the reference to Border Village was something I wanted to include. At the very least, Border Village comes from a set that really likes Alt-VP, which is cool, and also helps picking up additional cards. Fortifications goes in a similar direction, but something about it just doesn't grab me. Maybe it's the fact that it describes a bunch of different things that already exist, just on a more abstract level (watchtower, wall).

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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2016, 04:34:19 pm »
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Whoo!

I updated every single one of the cards! They all have wording fixes and improvements, and many of them dropped that annoying white bar that was off to the side. I added several new cards and changed some things around, but I'll let you find most of that out for yourselves.

The big change was that all the cards now list their creator on the card, so I don't need to worry about giving credit each time I post it. If I changed the card substantiably (cost, vanilla boni, etc.) I added (Modded) to the bottom. Enjoy!
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« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2016, 06:43:55 pm »
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The big change was that all the cards now list their creator on the card, so I don't need to worry about giving credit each time I post it. If I changed the card substantiably (cost, vanilla boni, etc.) I added (Modded) to the bottom. Enjoy!
It also means that whoever picks it up anywhere online can see who had the idea. Thank you for this, I think it's a great sign to appreciate the creators' work. Or at least, it makes me feel my work is, and that's cool. You did a great job at picking many of those images.

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« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2016, 07:23:32 pm »
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Why does Arsenal still say "if this is on your tavern mat"? It doesn't need that.
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« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2016, 09:19:42 pm »
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Why does Arsenal still say "if this is on your tavern mat"? It doesn't need that.

Does it?
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« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2016, 09:25:26 pm »
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Why does Arsenal still say "if this is on your tavern mat"? It doesn't need that.

Does it?

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The big change was that all the cards now list their creator on the card, so I don't need to worry about giving credit each time I post it. If I changed the card substantiably (cost, vanilla boni, etc.) I added (Modded) to the bottom. Enjoy!
It also means that whoever picks it up anywhere online can see who had the idea. Thank you for this, I think it's a great sign to appreciate the creators' work. Or at least, it makes me feel my work is, and that's cool. You did a great job at picking many of those images.
Thanks!

Of course, I had to abriveate a few so they could fit, LibraryAdventurer to LA, and A-D-S is Auto-Destruct-Sequence.
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Sealed Chamber is really OP, Night Patrol is really unfun. Legacy might be able to drop the Siver clause for simplicity, Outbreak is really fun, but maybe better at ? and a Curse terminal isn't that powerful, and the cursing can be a disadvantage. Dying village is kinda weak, + on the 3rd (and 4th?) time might be better. Graveyard is preforming fine I guess, without village support and with Night Patrol it seemed way weaker than it actually is. Highwayman is being dropped, to simmilar to bridge and not unique. Dillema I'll change to + and a buy instead of +. Cabal and Bookseller are performing great, and hoarder was never bought. Maid is really fun and farmer is cool. Bribe will be replaced by Closing Sale, and the other cards section will be more spread out.
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Holy Order by GeneralRamos! Please see the OP!
Warlords and Wizards by 461.weavile! Please see the OP!
Greed by Fragasnap! Please see the OP!
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Crusade is an interesting attack
Ummmm, it's a new mechanic, uh, Attacks that do nothing! Yeah, that's what I meant.
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It's a cool nerf to the card. I would leave it as is.
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« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2016, 10:14:30 am »
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A few corrections:
  • Holy See - Illustration is Italy, Rome, St. Peter's Square by Michel Angelo Pacetti
  • Excommunitacte - Title should be "Excommunicate"
  • Historian - Text should be "skipping any cards you choose to;" (I think it also works if you just remove the word "to")
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Resurgence by LibraryAdventurer! Please see the OP.
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Found one more artist name:

Drawbridge Ė Illustration Pyke (Castle) by Kimberly Pope
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The way unaffected is spelled there is making me pull out my hair, if you have the save file please fix that.

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The way unaffected is spelled there is making me pull out my hair, if you have the save file please fix that.
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I put all the cards in the OP. Wow, I make too many.
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It is really addicting to look at new ideas and art of fan cards^^
Is there are chance that they become playable online or printed
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Playable online? no. ...except on Tabletop simulator. But these are already real sets. Real fan-made dominion cards, ready for anyone to print and use.

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It is really addicting to look at new ideas and art of fan cards^^
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« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2016, 08:15:48 pm »
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« Reply #60 on: November 30, 2016, 09:19:27 pm »
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Note to anybody who wants to experiment with this card: It has an error. The original card (Hounds) is not supposed to have "or trash it." That was for an earlier version when it costed 4.
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« Reply #61 on: December 02, 2016, 10:59:59 am »
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I'm gonna take a break from Dominion modding to make a 7 Wonders expansion. Don't expect moar cards soon.
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« Reply #62 on: December 02, 2016, 07:57:05 pm »
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I'm gonna take a break from Dominion modding to make a 7 Wonders expansion. Don't expect moar cards soon.
Are you going to post it on fds?
I like seven wonders too, but I don't have a copy of my own yet.

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« Reply #63 on: December 02, 2016, 08:02:42 pm »
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I'm gonna take a break from Dominion modding to make a 7 Wonders expansion. Don't expect moar cards soon.
Are you going to post it on fds?
I like seven wonders too, but I don't have a copy of my own yet.
Maybe. Where I would I put that, Other Games or Advertiesments?
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« Reply #64 on: December 02, 2016, 08:14:34 pm »
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I'm gonna take a break from Dominion modding to make a 7 Wonders expansion. Don't expect moar cards soon.
Are you going to post it on fds?
I like seven wonders too, but I don't have a copy of my own yet.
Maybe. Where I would I put that, Other Games or Advertiesments?
Other games I would think. You're not selling anything.

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« Reply #65 on: December 24, 2016, 11:24:09 pm »
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I played two games with historian last night and it worked very well. One game I was able to trash 3 coppers and an estate in one go. It went on to trash another copper and estate in later turns. I was able to finish off a game by trashing half of my deck digging for a platinum and a gold to buy the last colony.

I wouldn't say that this card needs to be changed but from my limited experience the power level seemed too high. I love the idea though!

Can someone tell me how to link a card so that it shows up small and blows up large when clicked on? when I use the insert image option the image shows up enormous.
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« Reply #66 on: December 25, 2016, 12:01:32 am »
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It seems like Historian would somewhat easily trash a very large number of cards (4 or more) each play in the early game, while leaving the player with a mostly full turn to buy stuff as well. Seems overwhelmingly strong.
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« Reply #68 on: December 25, 2016, 12:56:20 am »
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It seems like Historian would somewhat easily trash a very large number of cards (4 or more) each play in the early game, while leaving the player with a mostly full turn to buy stuff as well. Seems overwhelmingly strong.

As an opener it's crazy strong since you get to trash your entire starting deck in one go. Imagine opening Historian/Page and drawing them both T3. Yikes.

Edit: Ah, never mind, you can't trash cards already in hand. You'd still get to trash 6 in this case.
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« Reply #69 on: December 25, 2016, 06:36:13 am »
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I played two games with historian last night and it worked very well. One game I was able to trash 3 coppers and an estate in one go. It went on to trash another copper and estate in later turns. I was able to finish off a game by trashing half of my deck digging for a platinum and a gold to buy the last colony.

I wouldn't say that this card needs to be changed but from my limited experience the power level seemed too high. I love the idea though!
My Historian would be insane if it weren't for the fact that ThetaSigma12 messed it up.  It is supposed to read (emphasis added):
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Types: Action
Cost: $5
Draw until you have 6 cards in hand. You may set aside up to 2 cards drawn this way as you draw them. Trash the set aside cards after you finish drawing.
Historian on the other hand as a "draw until you have X cards in hand" card references Library. Also like Library which helps players get around otherwise useless cards, Historian helps players get around those cards a little more permanently. Make no mistake, Historian is a super fast trasher that feels terrible to use as you set those otherwise extremely useful Coppers aside for trashing and draw those currently useless Actions.
Thank you for playing with it anyway.

Some additional corrections to my cards for ThetaSigma12:
  • My username is Fragasnap. Frag-a-snap.
  • Frontier needs to trash 6 from the Supply if you want the pile to be empty at the start of Summer in games with 3 or more players.
  • Frontier needs to "put" copies from the Supply into the trash rather than using the "trash" keyword to avoid confusion with Tomb.
  • Historian has a typo when compared to Library: "...cards you chose to..."
  • Historian should only be able to set aside and therefore trash up to 2 cards, not any number (repeated for completeness).
  • Investigator has a typo: "...Discard a card and eacth other player..."
  • My Patrol has been renamed to Salon (meaning a gathering of people for intellectual discussion) if you care. You couldn't have known that, so it is fine if you do not care.
  • Arcanum always gains a card before it draws so it will be shuffled into the deck if you need to.
  • Arcanum has recently been updated to get +1 Card instead of +2 Cards when it trashes a Curse. That is new since it was too strong before.
  • Friar gains an a Duchy and an Estate when it trashes a card costing $4 or more instead of just a Duchy.
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« Reply #70 on: December 25, 2016, 08:01:38 am »
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Thanks Fragasnap and MattLee!

I'll change these all today and hopefully upload them as well. Sorry that I make so many mistakes :(.
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« Reply #71 on: December 29, 2016, 05:54:49 pm »
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I'll change these all today and hopefully upload them as well.

I'm hoping to print out a bunch of your cards next week, so it would be great to get updated versions of any you've fixed in the near future. Thanks for making them.
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« Reply #72 on: December 29, 2016, 06:04:26 pm »
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I'll change these all today and hopefully upload them as well.

I'm hoping to print out a bunch of your cards next week, so it would be great to get updated versions of any you've fixed in the near future. Thanks for making them.
Hmm, I'll be back in town the 1st (to watch Sherlock of course, can't miss that...) and I already have Greed done with Fragasnap's changes, so that can be uploaded real soon. Then I have a card I'll make for Asper, and then I was hoping to do one or two of MattLee's.
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« Reply #73 on: January 02, 2017, 08:38:11 pm »
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« Reply #74 on: January 02, 2017, 08:43:35 pm »
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OK re-uploaded Greed.

Thanks!
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« Reply #75 on: January 03, 2017, 03:06:18 pm »
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I'll go through and update all the cards next. I missed several small things:
-"Actions" should be "Action cards"
-"for" should be ", for"
-There were a few times I should have been clearer, with "That card" instead of "it" e.g.
-And of course small capitalization/punctuation typos and the such.
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« Reply #76 on: January 03, 2017, 11:24:44 pm »
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Great work! I'm flattered to see a couple of my ideas on there :)

How the heck did you find the artist name for Tracker and Tradesman??
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« Reply #77 on: January 04, 2017, 02:25:26 pm »
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Great work! I'm flattered to see a couple of my ideas on there :)
Thanks! Don't be too flattered, these are just my favorites, not the community's as a whole.
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Google reverse image search.


I have zero experience in website design but is there a way to put these all on some website where you could easily search through all of them? There's so many it would be nice if there was an easy way to search for particular ones, like by type of card or by creator.
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« Reply #78 on: January 04, 2017, 05:54:19 pm »
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I read cards here and here I cards that dont look good for me in from first two pages of thread

graveyard look really weak, with 5 you could't open with it and later it looks like too slow trasher. I don't see how one could use it for draw later as you need buys to get coppers which don't have to be in your starting hand. If it consted 3 it would be weaker version of amulet.

fool - also looks overpriced, compare with tunnel and that without discard in kingdom this is weak like duchess.

arsenal - I disagree with argument that this is weak. Like cotr/guide you could call this when  your engine would stop because you don't have village/smithy. But this could cost 2-4 and it wouldn't affect its usability much.

widow - its masquarade pin on steroids, with engine possible everybody needs to go widow pin.

refund - I would drop that, its too similar to temple and temple is better.

revolution  - is kc-thronability intentional or not?

dilemma - could you playtest it as it looks too strong for 4?

royal demense - also consider dropping, too similar to fairgrounds unless there are castles in play.

fief - also not very interesting as its too weak version of groundskeeper.

college - its is stronger than wandering minstrel as you need  only one to find action and its more reliable, why its so cheap?

ghost town - looks quite weak.

wildfire - too similar to donate and I don't see situation where one could trigger reaction as getting 2 7-cost wildfires looks as mistake.

exotic traders - why it needs chancellor effect?

bullion - also too weak, for copper trashing its much weaker than steward and doesnt shine much in lategame.

demagogue - looks too strong one player could effectively pin another by getting two demas and naming village and draw, that he discards doesnt matter much, only  as he played all his cards.

debasement - doesnt make much sense, with moneyish game silver is better and getting these for engines to cost-reduce treasures, then trash debasements looks slow.

maid - almost as ugly as baker.

study - worse than gold, duration 3$ now and card next turn you need two of these to get comparable effect as gold and caravan effect doesnt save it.

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« Reply #79 on: January 04, 2017, 06:25:25 pm »
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I read cards here and here I cards that don't look good for me in from first two pages of thread
Thanks!
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graveyard look really weak, with 5 you couldn't open with it and later it looks like too slow trasher. I don't see how one could use it for draw later as you need buys to get coppers which don't have to be in your starting hand. If it costed 3 it would be weaker version of amulet.
Yeah, +1 Card and trashing now and next is weak I guess. I'd consider adding +1 Card to both now and later.
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fool - also looks overpriced, compare with tunnel and that without discard in kingdom this is weak like duchess.
It gives you 2 coin tokens, that seems on-par with Merchant's Guild? Maybe increasing the on-play to + or adding a buy would help it.
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arsenal - I disagree with argument that this is weak. Like coin of the realm or guide you could call this when your engine would stop because you don't have village/smithy. But this could cost 2-4 and it wouldn't affect its usability much.
It's usually +2 Cards at the start of your next turn, which is similar to Enchantress, but cheaper. I think it's fine.
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widow - its masquarade pin on steroids, with engine possible everybody needs to go widow pin.
It's fixed in the newer version, it's an attack and it only targets hands of 3 or more cards.
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refund - I would drop that, its too similar to temple and temple is better.
Maybe. I think it's different enough to keep for now, but if it's too weak I'm sure It'll get axed soon. It does have a lot of overlap.
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revolution  - is kc-thronability intentional or not?
Hmm, you might have a point, but basically any card gets out of hand with KC. Even if I did wan't to fix it, I don't know how to go about doing it. A moating for the opponent like Mountebank does?
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dilemma - could you playtest it as it looks too strong for 4?
Yep, I hope to playtest these all, or at least get info from other people who did. A psudeo-silver action is probably an okay , but this is more interesting.
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royal demesne - also consider dropping, too similar to fairgrounds unless there are castles in play.
I think it's substantially different than fairgrounds.
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fief - also not very interesting as its too weak version of groundskeeper.
Fair enough, maybe I'll change it back to Curse giving instead of +.
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college - its is stronger than wandering minstrel as you need only one to find action and it's more reliable, why is it so cheap?
Maybe. I just redid the card, so I can't comment on it's balancing.
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ghost town - looks quite weak.
It's good.
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wildfire - too similar to donate and I don't see situation where one could trigger reaction as getting 2 7-cost wildfires looks as a mistake.
Okay, maybe. I do agree in it's similarity to Donate.
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exotic traders - why it needs chancellor effect?
To prevent you from getting the this shuffle.
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bullion - also too weak, for copper trashing it's much weaker than steward and doesn't shine much in late game.
It's not meant for Copper trashing, it's meant for turning Silver into Gold and Gold into Plat+. Maybe cheaper I guess.
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demagogue - looks too strong one player could effectively pin another by getting two demagogues and naming village and draw, that he discards doesn't matter much, only as he played all his cards.
It's not as bad as you think. They always draw up, and it hurts you too. Often screwing over the other player will screw you over just as much.
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debasement - doesnt make much sense, with moneyish game silver is better and getting these for engines to cost-reduce treasures, then trash debasements looks slow.
Yeah, I'll probably drop it soon.
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maid - almost as ugly as baker.
? It's a good card.
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study - worse than gold, duration 3$ now and card next turn you need two of these to get comparable effect as gold and caravan effect doesnt save it.
I just changed the art. It might be weak though. If you wan't to look into it more, see Enterprise by LastFootnote.
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« Reply #80 on: January 05, 2017, 03:32:46 am »
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I think that your comparison of Fool with Merchant Guild is apt. Sure, Merchant Guild does a little something extra but you gotta play it whereas you don't have to play Fool to get the 2 Coin tokens.

I guess that luser wrongly assumes that the card works precisely like Tunnel, i.e. that it only nets Coin tokens when you discard it outside of the Clean-up phase.
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« Reply #81 on: January 05, 2017, 11:53:05 am »
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I wonder how good Fool-BM would be. It seems like it could work especially with some okay support.


I'm thinking of changing the (Modded) tags. Right now it means essentially any corner case that wasn't in the original was added. Maybe I should make them clearer (Edited) for extra corner cases that weren't in the original, (Modded) for substantial changes, and (Recosted) if I just changed the cost.
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« Reply #82 on: January 06, 2017, 12:34:06 pm »
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All the cards are in the first 2 posts. I'm still in the process of formatting though.
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« Reply #83 on: January 07, 2017, 12:29:40 pm »
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Hey Theta, if you want to add mine to here, I'd be fine with that. Most likely they need more work though.  ;)
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« Reply #84 on: January 12, 2017, 10:44:49 am »
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Hey Theta, if you want to add mine to here, I'd be fine with that. Most likely they need more work though.  ;)

I changed the below-the-line to that thing someone suggested.

Since it's balanced at almost any cost, why not make it be any cost? You could always set it at is you wanted to anyway.

And I liked some of SettingFraming's Highlands:
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« Reply #85 on: January 13, 2017, 06:08:31 pm »
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I've now mocked-up 250+ working cards!

Working means not counting outtakes since I wouldn't necessarily with those, and Supplements, since I haven't posted those, and Randomizers since those aren't really cards. Anyways, congrats me!

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EDIT: Here's my grand plans for the future:
-Do more cards, specifically, try to finish up the expansions.
-Do Asper's cards, he's generously given me permission to fix the typos that he's too busy to fix.
-Break up the Other cards, maybe sorting them by designer.
-Post other cards I haven't done here, like Civilization, Mini-set Mockups, and Kru5h's cards.
-Rename the thread, because some of my own work is in here. Probably "All the fan cards you could ever want" with some clickbaity title, like "Over 300 cards!" and "Number 127 will blow your mind"
-Reference other fan expansions, mainly Enterprise. I won't post the cards but I want them to be referenced.
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« Reply #86 on: January 13, 2017, 10:49:36 pm »
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I've now made 250 working cards!

Dang thats a lot of cards, great work!
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« Reply #87 on: January 14, 2017, 05:10:16 am »
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Out of curiosity, which "very similar card" eclipses Farmer in your opinion?

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« Reply #88 on: January 14, 2017, 05:16:12 am »
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Also, I'd rather say you mocked up 250 cards. You didn't make them, you know.
I know it's a nitpick, but you write about changing X and dropping Y, and actually you just made a card based on X and stopped using Y. I can't speak for every fan card autor, but to me it feels rather different. Maybe I'm just a grump who doesn't want others to meddle with his babies.

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« Reply #89 on: January 14, 2017, 07:39:34 am »
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Also, I'd rather say you mocked up 250 cards. You didn't make them, you know.
I know it's a nitpick, but you write about changing X and dropping Y, and actually you just made a card based on X and stopped using Y. I can't speak for every fan card autor, but to me it feels rather different. Maybe I'm just a grump who doesn't want others to meddle with his babies.
Sorry. Fixed. This comes up a lot, but these are my favorites from the set so when I mean "dropping" I don't mean from the set, I mean from my favorites.

Also, with newer cards where the creator is still aroud a lot, I usualy don't change them as much. The ones I do change are the older ones. All in all I feel like I'm doing enough for the creators (tags on the cards, mentioning I've changed things, linking to the source thread, etc.) I'll keep on trying to do more but there comes a point when maybe they can be a bit more lax?
Out of curiosity, which "very similar card" eclipses Farmer in your opinion?
None, I just have it there because you said you didn't like the art. I was planning on making a note in that in my description today, but you caught me first though.
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« Reply #90 on: January 14, 2017, 11:36:09 am »
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Also, I'd rather say you mocked up 250 cards. You didn't make them, you know.
I know it's a nitpick, but you write about changing X and dropping Y, and actually you just made a card based on X and stopped using Y. I can't speak for every fan card autor, but to me it feels rather different. Maybe I'm just a grump who doesn't want others to meddle with his babies.
Sorry. Fixed. This comes up a lot, but these are my favorites from the set so when I mean "dropping" I don't mean from the set, I mean from my favorites.

Also, with newer cards where the creator is still aroud a lot, I usualy don't change them as much. The ones I do change are the older ones. All in all I feel like I'm doing enough for the creators (tags on the cards, mentioning I've changed things, linking to the source thread, etc.) I'll keep on trying to do more but there comes a point when maybe they can be a bit more lax?
Out of curiosity, which "very similar card" eclipses Farmer in your opinion?
None, I just have it there because you said you didn't like the art. I was planning on making a note in that in my description today, but you caught me first though.
You're right about that. Sorry, it's fine as is. I'm probably just not in a good mood today.

Thanks for the clarification, I was merely curious what sucb a card would look like.

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« Reply #91 on: January 14, 2017, 05:02:48 pm »
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Renamed it to something more clickbaity. Technically I only have 200 or so on there right now, but I'll upload the other hundred later.
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« Reply #92 on: January 14, 2017, 06:15:04 pm »
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Renamed it to something more clickbaity. Technically I only have 200 or so on there right now, but I'll upload the other hundred later.

I mean, there often have been people asking for a collection of all fan card ideas. And while this thread on its own can't do that (as it doesn't include cards that have already been mocked up), it serves as the missing piece that, together with the "pro" fan card designer threads, approaches that vision. Obviously my opinion which cards deserve to be mocked up and which don't won't always mirror yours, but I respect and like what this thread has to offer to the community.

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This is amazing, Theta. Well done.
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« Reply #94 on: January 15, 2017, 03:03:33 pm »
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I mean, there often have been people asking for a collection of all fan card ideas. And while this thread on its own can't do that (as it doesn't include cards that have already been mocked up), it serves as the missing piece that, together with the "pro" fan card designer threads, approaches that vision. Obviously my opinion which cards deserve to be mocked up and which don't won't always mirror yours, but I respect and like what this thread has to offer to the community.
Thanks. I'm hoping to link to the "pro" threads, such as Seasons and Enterprise, that I have little intention of mocking up, so this can be a near-complete set of fan cards worth testing.

I'm interested to hear of any examples of cards you didn't think were worth mocking up. Obviously there are "outtakes", cards I made but I didn't really like after playing them. Or did you just mean there were cards you wanted me to make but I didn't?
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« Reply #95 on: January 16, 2017, 12:26:39 pm »
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Are these cards all playtested, or are some just created but never used? Just curious.
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« Reply #96 on: January 16, 2017, 12:30:42 pm »
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Are these cards all playtested, or are some just created but never used? Just curious.
By me? Of course not. I only know about 2 people who will actually play with me, and I'm not really allowed to play with random people online a lot. However, these cards are all out there so there's probably a significant amount that have been tested by other people (MattLee, Thanar, etc.), and in many cases the creator themselves.
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« Reply #97 on: January 16, 2017, 12:33:43 pm »
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Are these cards all playtested, or are some just created but never used? Just curious.
By me? Of course not. I only know about 2 people who will actually play with me, and I'm not really allowed to play with random people online a lot. However, these cards are all out there so there's probably a significant amount that have been tested by other people (MattLee, Thanar, etc.), and in many cases the creator themselves.

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« Reply #98 on: January 17, 2017, 10:21:51 am »
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I'm interested to hear of any examples of cards you didn't think were worth mocking up. Obviously there are "outtakes", cards I made but I didn't really like after playing them. Or did you just mean there were cards you wanted me to make but I didn't?
Well, I have certain preferences for cards, so I felt it was obvious my choice in total would differ slightly. I'd rather discuss concrete critizism in the creator's threads where they can more easily answer to it - in some cases I think I already did. Either way, that wasn't intended to be my main focus. I just wanted to say you're doing something that a lot of people will be grateful for, and that's cool.

If I were you, however, I would limit this thread to cards that actually do need a mockup (because they don't already have one, or the one they have has terrible mistakes in it, or lacks card art).

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« Reply #99 on: January 17, 2017, 05:16:03 pm »
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New card type: Supplements.

Rules: Supplements don't count as kingdom Supply piles. You can add any number of them to a kingdom each time you play, or you can shuffle it in and randomize them similar to Events and Landmarks. Supplements aren't in the Supply usually, though they usually should be unless they have some other reason (like Misfortune).


Captain's Quarters is a free scheme, but it's a Ruined Village so maybe it's not the best inventor.

Hold is a really powerful draw variant, but you need to have a dud hand to get it. It might be a bit too hard to get.

Oriental Market will fix all of your +Buy problems, but it comes at a high cost. It could just be a normal card at 5 I guess, but this way you can't gain one and it's limited to only once per turn.

Reconstruct can be a real powerhouse, and you gain them for free! On the con, you gain it so it might power up your opponent's cards more.

Here are some other fan cards remade as Supplements:
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« Reply #100 on: January 17, 2017, 08:20:13 pm »
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I'm sorry to be the guy who complains about a new idea again, but most of these can be implemented as normal cards if you are willing to accept minor changes to their functionality.

  • Oriental Market: Forum.                     Changes:Works with cost reduction, can be bought several times a turn. (Is in the supply)
  • Reconstruction: Costs 5$, gains a differently named card costing at most the same on gain.                     Changes: Works with cost reduction (Is in the supply)
  • Captain's Quarters: "If this is your first buy this turn, +1 Buy and chose a card. When you discard it from play this turn, put it onto your deck."                     Changes: None (except being in the supply).
  • Joust: Make the addon pile have a specific cost, make this cost 1$ more than that and have it gain the other card on buy.                     Changes: Cost of the addon-card is fix. (Is in the supply)
  • Misfortune: Just remove the type.                     Changes: None.
  • Illusion: Duchess.                     Changes: None.
  • Paramesia: Duchess.                     Changes: None.
    Alternatively, instead of a card, make an once-per-turn Event that costs 0$, returns its buy, lets you trash all Curses in your hand and discard pile and gives each other player +2VP per Curse trashed.

Not exactly minor changes:
  • Deed: Duchess.                     Changes: Gaining becomes optional.
    Alternatively, have a special Deed token to put on the Province pile as a reminder.                     Changes: None.

No ideas for:
  • Hold
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Edit: I noticed Reconstruction is supposed to work on gain, not buy. I'll change it up a bit.

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« Reply #101 on: January 17, 2017, 08:29:07 pm »
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Yep, it's OK, I realized that:
-Oriental Market: Yeah, but you can still gain it then. That's the big difference. Also, I don't want more than once per turn.
-Reconstruction: Did you miss the or more? That's a difference.
-Joust: Yes, but I feel that implementation is a bit less streamlined.
-Misfortune: Yep, this one just uses the type to be simpler.
-Paramnesia: The designer (MultiTalented) wanted these to be optional rules, and that's what they are.
-Deed: yeah, I'm not entirely sure if it's good as a supplement.
-Hold: A tricky litter bugger.
-Scholar: This is from Greed, so it obvious it can work as a card.
All in all, these are really meant to be extra "rules" to swap up the game.

Thanks for being "the guy who complains about new ideas"! It's good feedback.
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« Reply #102 on: January 18, 2017, 02:20:54 am »
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I kind of feel that the Supplements are complex enough that they'd be better off as Kingdom cards that just aren't in the Supply rather than making it feel like an 11, 12, 13... card Kingdom.
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« Reply #103 on: January 18, 2017, 03:00:28 am »
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I'm sorry to be the guy who complains about a new idea again, but most of these can be implemented as normal cards if you are willing to accept minor changes to their functionality.

  • Oriental Market: Forum.                     Changes:Works with cost reduction, can be bought several times a turn. (Is in the supply)
I'll just comment on one, Oriental Market. Your suggestion works totally different. You get the extra Buy when you buy a particular card like Forum whereas the original Oriental Market is a triple Market Square that lands in your deck when you have 5 unspent.
This is mechanically totally different and while I would totally agree that it should first be tested whether a new concept is really necessary it doesn't seem as if Supplements can be done any other way
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« Reply #104 on: January 18, 2017, 07:55:40 am »
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Illusion and Paramnesia don't work as regular cards not because of their rules but because they'd be literally worthless kingdom cards.

Duchess is a weak 2-coster, but it's still a 2-coster, and therefore might get bought (especially if there's a surfeit of villages). You've still got a 10-card kingdom.

Illusion means you've got a 9 card kingdom instantly.
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« Reply #105 on: January 18, 2017, 12:33:38 pm »
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I'm sorry to be the guy who complains about a new idea again, but most of these can be implemented as normal cards if you are willing to accept minor changes to their functionality.

  • Oriental Market: Forum.                     Changes:Works with cost reduction, can be bought several times a turn. (Is in the supply)
I'll just comment on one, Oriental Market. Your suggestion works totally different. You get the extra Buy when you buy a particular card like Forum whereas the original Oriental Market is a triple Market Square that lands in your deck when you have 5 unspent.
This is mechanically totally different and while I would totally agree that it should first be tested whether a new concept is really necessary it doesn't seem as if Supplements can be done any other way
I felt it was obvious that when I wrote "Forum", my suggestion was to use Forum's wording, having Oriental Market look like this:
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Oriental Market, Action, 5$
Unchanged bonus on play.
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When you buy this, +1 Buy
Maybe it wasn't as obvious to you.

In case you still disagree, I will make an effort to tell you why this wording does exactly (edit: well, almost) the same as having it be a Supplement:
Supplement-case: I have 8$ to spend and a buy. I buy Silver. Now I have 5$ unspent. I gain Oriental Market.
Kingdom card case: I have 8$ to spend and a buy. I buy Oriental Market for 5$, get back my buy and have 3$ left, buying a Silver.

So, where's the difference? All the others work pretty much the same way. It's pretty trivial imo.

Illusion and Paramnesia don't work as regular cards not because of their rules but because they'd be literally worthless kingdom cards.

Duchess is a weak 2-coster, but it's still a 2-coster, and therefore might get bought (especially if there's a surfeit of villages). You've still got a 10-card kingdom.

Illusion means you've got a 9 card kingdom instantly.
Using the Duchess wording doesn't necessarily mean it has to be a kingdom card, though, does it?

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« Reply #106 on: January 18, 2017, 12:46:45 pm »
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Forum Market
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When you buy this, +1 Buy
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Supplement Market
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When you have unspent, you may gain this.

Here are the 2 big differences.
-You can get more than one Forum Market per turn. You could fix this with some once per turn clause or so, but ick. It would be hard to make it watertight enough.
-You can gain Forum Markets. This is also big. The point is you have to have extra , gaining it with Ferry/Workshop, Remodel, Artisan, Feast, Altar, etc. ruins the point.

Other minor differences that don't really mean anything, in descending order of importance:
-Forum Market works with TfB, which means you might get it other than for the +Buy.
-Another card with a +Buy isn't cool or really worth making.
-You actually spend the on Forum Market (Basilica, Wine Merchant)
-Another card that enables Goons/Trader/Forum/Cost Reduction combo is annoying.
-Supplement Market activates at the end of your Buy phase (Villa)
-Supplement Market has an extra type (Courtier)
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« Reply #107 on: January 18, 2017, 12:48:39 pm »
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Oriental Market: Yeah, but you can still gain it then. That's the big difference. Also, I don't want more than once per turn.
I don't see the gaining of a 5$ card as such a problem. It's not like there were that many ways to gain cards costing 5$. The other thing: Use a Messenger wording.

-Reconstruction: Did you miss the or more? That's a difference.
When you buy this, you may overpay for it. Gain a differently named card costing the amount you paid in total.

-Joust: Yes, but I feel that implementation is a bit less streamlined.
Depends. It will also balance out what cards you can get Joust with. Do you get Joust for a few additional cents with Pearl Divers or do you have to skip a Province if you want to get it with Forge? If you already have a compelling reason to introduce a new type, you can do it this way if you want, but it's not one on its own imo.

-Misfortune: Yep, this one just uses the type to be simpler.
You mean "to use the type". It doesn't even follow the concept of "cards you gain weird ways".

-Paramnesia: The designer (MultiTalented) wanted these to be optional rules, and that's what they are.
Duchess wording doesn't mean it has to be a kingdom card or even in the supply.

-Scholar: This is from Greed, so it obvious it can work as a card.
Technically, they all can. It's just a question of whether you make things more or less complicated by adding a new type. The problem is that the ways you gain these cards all differ, so it's not like the new type really does anything but marking them up with a signal color right now. If you have a lot of effects that benefit from such a signal color, include the new type. If you just have stuff like Joust or Oriental Market, that could easily be implemented in a way that doesn't require a color to keep you alert, don't.

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« Reply #108 on: January 18, 2017, 12:59:27 pm »
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Ok, fair enough. I mean, I like the card type and I think it's fun, useful, and cool. I agree with almost all of the points you made, just not the impact. Do Reserves need a type? No, they can just be Actions that you put on a Mat (Like Island), and you can discard them from there for a bonus. Supplements are similar: You can change them, and make them normal Actions. However, in doing that you detract from it. You can disagree with this if you want to, but I won't bother arguing about it because it comes down to preference.

You are free to use the cards however you want of course, but I would hope you try out the Supplement version first and see what you think.
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« Reply #109 on: January 18, 2017, 01:50:07 pm »
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I'm sorry to be the guy who complains about a new idea again, but most of these can be implemented as normal cards if you are willing to accept minor changes to their functionality.

  • Oriental Market: Forum.                     Changes:Works with cost reduction, can be bought several times a turn. (Is in the supply)
I'll just comment on one, Oriental Market. Your suggestion works totally different. You get the extra Buy when you buy a particular card like Forum whereas the original Oriental Market is a triple Market Square that lands in your deck when you have 5 unspent.
This is mechanically totally different and while I would totally agree that it should first be tested whether a new concept is really necessary it doesn't seem as if Supplements can be done any other way
I felt it was obvious that when I wrote "Forum", my suggestion was to use Forum's wording, having Oriental Market look like this:
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Oriental Market, Action, 5$
Unchanged bonus on play.
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When you buy this, +1 Buy
Maybe it wasn't as obvious to you.

In case you still disagree, I will make an effort to tell you why this wording does exactly (edit: well, almost) the same as having it be a Supplement:
Supplement-case: I have 8$ to spend and a buy. I buy Silver. Now I have 5$ unspent. I gain Oriental Market.
Kingdom card case: I have 8$ to spend and a buy. I buy Oriental Market for 5$, get back my buy and have 3$ left, buying a Silver.

So, where's the difference? All the others work pretty much the same way. It's pretty trivial imo.
Now I get what you meant.
Sure, you could implement it like that but you would have to add a clause that specifies that you can never gain the card via gainers like Altar and that during setup, when you draw the respective randomizer, you add another Kingdom supply pile-

Now this is pretty artifical and wordy on the card (not to mention that I fail to see how you could forbid a card to be gained via gainers without creating a total mess of a rule exeception) which is why it makes more sense to implement it as a new type.
Given that there are so many far less necessary subtypes in the game (like Looter and Castles) I fail to understand why you direly want to avoid a new type which is cleaner, less wordy and more flexible. You could e.g. play around with reduzing the pile sizes of (some) Supplements.
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« Reply #111 on: January 18, 2017, 04:29:49 pm »
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I'm sorry to be the guy who complains about a new idea again, but most of these can be implemented as normal cards if you are willing to accept minor changes to their functionality.

  • Oriental Market: Forum.                     Changes:Works with cost reduction, can be bought several times a turn. (Is in the supply)
I'll just comment on one, Oriental Market. Your suggestion works totally different. You get the extra Buy when you buy a particular card like Forum whereas the original Oriental Market is a triple Market Square that lands in your deck when you have 5 unspent.
This is mechanically totally different and while I would totally agree that it should first be tested whether a new concept is really necessary it doesn't seem as if Supplements can be done any other way
I felt it was obvious that when I wrote "Forum", my suggestion was to use Forum's wording, having Oriental Market look like this:
Code: [Select]
Oriental Market, Action, 5$
Unchanged bonus on play.
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When you buy this, +1 Buy
Maybe it wasn't as obvious to you.

In case you still disagree, I will make an effort to tell you why this wording does exactly (edit: well, almost) the same as having it be a Supplement:
Supplement-case: I have 8$ to spend and a buy. I buy Silver. Now I have 5$ unspent. I gain Oriental Market.
Kingdom card case: I have 8$ to spend and a buy. I buy Oriental Market for 5$, get back my buy and have 3$ left, buying a Silver.

So, where's the difference? All the others work pretty much the same way. It's pretty trivial imo.
Now I get what you meant.
Sure, you could implement it like that but you would have to add a clause that specifies that you can never gain the card via gainers like Altar and that during setup, when you draw the respective randomizer, you add another Kingdom supply pile-

Now this is pretty artifical and wordy on the card (not to mention that I fail to see how you could forbid a card to be gained via gainers without creating a total mess of a rule exeception) which is why it makes more sense to implement it as a new type.
Given that there are so many far less necessary subtypes in the game (like Looter and Castles) I fail to understand why you direly want to avoid a new type which is cleaner, less wordy and more flexible. You could e.g. play around with reduzing the pile sizes of (some) Supplements.

Or you could just accept that it is 90% the same and that trying to enforce the remaining 10% isn't worth the effort either way. Why is it such a horrible thing you can gain the card? It's not, you just decided you want that. And why shouldn't it be a kingdom card? Because it's boring? Man, then make a card that's less boring and give it that ability. Oh, wait, then you'd have Forum.

I'm not saying you shouldn't make new types. I'm saying new types should be worth their money. Wanting a card to be un-gainable for no particular reason isn't worth it, and a boring cards don't get less boring only because they are not taking up a supply spot. If all you want is a +Buy card that you can get even when you don't have buys to spare, ta-dah, I gave you one.

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« Reply #112 on: January 18, 2017, 08:03:18 pm »
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You know what we need? More landscape cards. And I don't mean Terrains, we need to give Asper a rest from all these dumb new mechanics ;D.

Hanging Gardens seemed like a Landmark that was too obvious. It gives you a bunch of if you have more cards! Reminds me of some other Victory card, buy I forget which.

Excavation is the reverse Tower. You lose if you have a card from an empty pile. Maybe it would be better at -2 per pile, IDK.

Accumulate is an Event version of Auto-Destruct-Sequence's Reserve, as in you can either spend one of your Copper now or you can keep it till you want to. It's only once per turn, though.

Dispatch was my entry in the mini-set, along with Tables'. I applied the fixes he suggested and here it is. Similar to Surprise Attack from Warlords and Wizards.

Guard is really weird, I have no idea whether it will actually work.

Border is by AdrianHealey, entered in the Landmark competition. I renamed it because of LFN's Stockpile.

Mansion is from the Forum here somewhere. I renamed it and added the or more part to stop you using it in the first few rounds.

Sanctuary is another random one from the forums. It lets you go first AND lets you choose your opening, but you might lose some for it.
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"Gaurd" is misspelled.
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« Reply #114 on: January 18, 2017, 08:50:48 pm »
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"Gaurd" is misspelled.
Fixed, in record speed.

In other news, fan card count is now 327. It jumped up 75 or so because I count Civilization now, and that's 30+ Card shaped things.
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« Reply #115 on: January 18, 2017, 09:38:37 pm »
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Wow, several of these are actually really cool. Hum... Although I'm not sure Accumulate will actually make for fun games, and Guard being passed between player's doesn't exactly sit right with me... Excavation is pretty neat, I'd increase it to 5VP, though. Border has "its" spelled as "it's" but other than that seems rather nice. Mansion seems a bit much to think of in comparison to the others, and while I like the idea of Hanging Gardens, I think the players coming in second or third should still get rewarded. Maybe something like "+5 per player who has at most as many cards in their deck as you.". Dispatch is Villa as an Event... I'd rather not go into that. Sanctuary also seems cool.

Okay, I see, I have to check out the image to see whose idea the card originally is.

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« Reply #116 on: January 19, 2017, 04:42:47 am »
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Or you could just accept that it is 90% the same and that trying to enforce the remaining 10% isn't worth the effort either way. Why is it such a horrible thing you can gain the card? It's not, you just decided you want that. And why shouldn't it be a kingdom card? Because it's boring? Man, then make a card that's less boring and give it that ability. Oh, wait, then you'd have Forum.

I'm not saying you shouldn't make new types. I'm saying new types should be worth their money. Wanting a card to be un-gainable for no particular reason isn't worth it, and a boring cards don't get less boring only because they are not taking up a supply spot. If all you want is a +Buy card that you can get even when you don't have buys to spare, ta-dah, I gave you one.
Sure, Oriental Market is not all that different from an extra Kingdom card. And you could artifically do Captain's Quarters as a once per turn zero cost Scheme event (that also targets Treasures) and self-junks you with a Ruined Village.

You could also implement all Reserves as Durations and you could easily implement Durations as normal Actions. Landmarks are also easily doable as Events. Doesn't mean that you should do any of this though. In my opinion Supplements are different enough that they clearly warrant a new typ. Perhaps not a new colour (as you pointed out that signals that something special is going on whereas these cards are just normal Actions once they are in your deck) but definitely a new type.
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« Reply #117 on: January 19, 2017, 06:31:32 am »
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And you could artifically do Captain's Quarters as a once per turn zero cost Scheme event (that also targets Treasures) and self-junks you with a Ruined Village.
The fact that you willingly ignore the suggestion I already made in favour of this embarrassingly cheap hyperbole just tells me that I shouldn't waste more time arguing with you. Good day, sir.

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« Reply #118 on: January 19, 2017, 07:02:57 am »
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And you could artifically do Captain's Quarters as a once per turn zero cost Scheme event (that also targets Treasures) and self-junks you with a Ruined Village.
The fact that you willingly ignore the suggestion I already made in favour of this embarrassingly cheap hyperbole just tells me that I shouldn't waste more time arguing with you. Good day, sir.
It was a totally technical description so what must have pissed you off was the word artifical.
It is indeed pointless to argue with somebody who cannot handle partial (as I already said, I do e.g. totally agree with you that a new colour should not be done) disagreements about fairly trivial stuff like whether a new idea should be implemented via a new type or be emulated via old types.

Back to the actual issue, Scheme variants, I prefer your Event which "schemes" as card at the cost of a Potion over Captain's Quarters.
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« Reply #119 on: January 19, 2017, 07:50:11 am »
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As OP I use my special powers to command you to stop arguing about Supplements as regular cards! I can do that, right?
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« Reply #120 on: January 19, 2017, 07:58:42 am »
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Hint taken. ;)
On a sidenote, would you mind to share your templates for all the new types like Landforms and so on? That'd be brilliant.
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« Reply #121 on: January 19, 2017, 08:14:25 am »
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Hint taken. ;)
On a sidenote, would you mind to share your templates for all the new types like Landforms and so on? That'd be brilliant.
Yes. I'm a bit behind on Landforms, but you can expect more soonish.
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« Reply #122 on: January 19, 2017, 11:03:22 am »
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Wow, several of these are actually really cool. Hum... Although I'm not sure Accumulate will actually make for fun games, and Guard being passed between player's doesn't exactly sit right with me... Excavation is pretty neat, I'd increase it to 5VP, though. Border has "its" spelled as "it's" but other than that seems rather nice. Mansion seems a bit much to think of in comparison to the others, and while I like the idea of Hanging Gardens, I think the players coming in second or third should still get rewarded. Maybe something like "+5 per player who has at most as many cards in their deck as you.". Dispatch is Villa as an Event... I'd rather not go into that. Sanctuary also seems cool.

Okay, I see, I have to check out the image to see whose idea the card originally is.
Just search landmark, these 2 should come up from the 30 or so results. Stechaffle (Mansion - Originally called Woodlands) and Beyond Awesome (Sactuary - No original name) made them.

Accumulate and Guard: Yeah, these are untested. Could be awesome, could suck.
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« Reply #125 on: January 19, 2017, 11:55:52 am »
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It looks like Tristan.

Edit:     December 28, 2016, 02:35:55 pm <= Last online for tristan. This profiel was registered January 3rd.
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« Reply #126 on: January 19, 2017, 12:47:20 pm »
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pissed you off
Look who's got a new profile.
I am new here but whatever, you have obvious issues with being criticized (after trampling on a great new fan idea concept).
You lack manners and behave very rudely, not just towards me but also towards ThetaSigma who requested that this dispute is stopped, and I am going to put you on ignore now.
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« Reply #127 on: January 19, 2017, 04:27:17 pm »
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@Asper: You are being quite uncharacteristically rude. You're usually much more polite than you've been recently.
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« Reply #128 on: January 19, 2017, 09:43:02 pm »
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pissed you off
Look who's got a new profile.
I am new here but whatever, you have obvious issues with being criticized (after trampling on a great new fan idea concept).
You lack manners and behave very rudely, not just towards me but also towards ThetaSigma who requested that this dispute is stopped, and I am going to put you on ignore now.

@Asper: You are being quite uncharacteristically rude. You're usually much more polite than you've been recently.

Okay guys. Let's just get back to the fan cards, shall we?
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« Reply #129 on: January 20, 2017, 11:28:14 pm »
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The supplements are a fun looking and for what its worth I prefer the idea of a card you have to work for to get. If they were in the supply they would be just another card. I could see something like this actually being made in a future expansion

I'm pretty interested in Guard too. My wife is the kind of Dominion player who will insist on having Moat in the supply if theres a harsh attack out, nothing less will do  ::) . We haven't even made it to Adventures so we've never used events but someday I may try this one... someday.
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« Reply #130 on: January 21, 2017, 09:31:41 am »
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Question - can each player do this once per game or is it for the first person who gets to $12?
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« Reply #131 on: January 21, 2017, 09:38:49 am »
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Question - can each player do this once per game or is it for the first person who gets to $12?
Each player can do it once: see Inheritance.
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« Reply #132 on: January 21, 2017, 01:07:28 pm »
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@Asper: You are being quite uncharacteristically rude. You're usually much more polite than you've been recently.

Yes, I know. I noticed it myself. And I apologize.

I'm incredibly frustrated. Recently, I have been critizised for not going out of my way to make sure Tristan gets banned, by a person who, in the same sentence, claimed to like me. Just, for what purpose? Only for him to return again? I'm 100% sure that this new user is tristan, who in turn is horatio, who might be errinf (I don't know about that guy that much). When horatio was banned, I recognized tristan to be him rather quickly, and we all had a discussion about it, and nothing came out of it. There are just so many users who write in the fan card threads and use "pissed of" when trying to shame another person for not agreeing with them. The three I know of are errinf, horatio, tristan and this guy, and guess what, when one got banned the other appeared. (I also assume he's using a proxy or whatever you can use to conceal your identity). So, do I go into that discussion again, and have myself critizised for unfounded claims, just to see he gets banned a few weeks later either way just to return with another identity? It's tiring, it's painful and I just can't take it anymore.

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« Reply #133 on: January 21, 2017, 01:10:53 pm »
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Why do you care so much? I mean, Tristan called me the scum of the earth. I laughed and I am still here, enjoying fan cards discussions. He... is not. Let's just enjoy discussions. Block him too if you want? :)
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« Reply #134 on: January 21, 2017, 01:28:16 pm »
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Why do you care so much? I mean, Tristan called me the scum of the earth. I laughed and I am still here, enjoying fan cards discussions. He... is not. Let's just enjoy discussions. Block him too if you want? :)

Yeah, he insulted a lot of people, me included. I thought it was kinda funny. I mean, the ends people go to be a jerk.
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« Reply #135 on: January 21, 2017, 01:48:14 pm »
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Well, this didn't turn out how I'd hoped.
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« Reply #136 on: January 21, 2017, 02:22:40 pm »
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I am sorry, Theta. Let me restate that your work on all the fancards is awesome.

I am glad I got to work with you on civilization. My exams are over. Do you think you want to take another look at a few cards or is that a closed shapter for you?
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« Reply #137 on: January 21, 2017, 05:46:58 pm »
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I'm sorry for all of this, Theta. You also might be the person I have been the most unpolite to, recently. My sincerest apologies for that, and for derailing your thread. Keep supplying the forumites with high quality mock ups and give card ideas the spotlight they deserve. That rocks. :)

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« Reply #138 on: January 22, 2017, 11:05:04 am »
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The concept of Supplement cards is okay, but I don't like how they are both as complex and game altering as Kingdom cards while also not acting as Supply piles that can end the game. It makes a lot of sense for Scholar from my Greed expansion: One thing I have to consider constantly about Greed's "In Games Using This" effects is how they will influence draining piles, and currently Frontier and Scholar are the big ones that will so often pile out. For that reason, I can understand the desire to have a simple manner in which a Kingdom card can pile out but not end the game, but because of how complex Kingdom cards are, I am loathe to make them not occupy the standard 10-slots for a Kingdom.
If Supplements do occupy those slots though, it no longer makes sense to have a dozen or more of them to justify the rule-space they occupy for those instances in which many Supplements can be drawn resulting in a Kingdom with so few cards that can be bought (though this is remaining steadfast in my opinion that all cards should be designed to fit in expansions and all Kingdoms should be functional when using 3 expansions). I am perhaps overreacting to how frequent or undesireable having 6 Supplements and 4 buy-able Kingdom cards can be.

As an additional note on Greed cards:
  • Arcanum should gain a Copper before it draws +1 Card
  • Archers should gain "up to 2 non-Victory cards costing up to $3"
  • Street should cost $3
  • Weaponsmith needs to trigger when you "would gain" a card or else I'm not sure where the gained card goes.
  • You reverted your changes to Weaponsmith, but it still says "Edited"
  • Opinion: My Missionary is much better thematically as "Missionary" than the Mini-set Design Contest's card of the same name

Why did you decide to make the changes to Frontier that you did? If it was the result of play-testing I would very much like to hear about it.
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« Reply #139 on: January 22, 2017, 01:27:38 pm »
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Flagship seems like it's strictly better than a Laboratory, since it's basically a Lab that causes the next Action card to be played next turn as well...
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« Reply #140 on: January 22, 2017, 01:57:58 pm »
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Flagship seems like it's strictly better than a Laboratory, since it's basically a Lab that causes the next Action card to be played next turn as well...
Flagship is the Duration variation of Throne Room which Donald tested at 3$ plus a Necro.

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- There was a now-and-later Throne Room variant. Play an Action, play it again next turn. It was both confusing and weak. What if you use it on a duration card? How long does it stay on the table? It could have said "non-duration," but that's pretty sad in a set with 8 duration cards. And did I mention it was weak? It left before development started.

I don't see what it has to do with Lab; if anything it is a combo between Necro, Haven and Throne Room. And I am pretty sure that unless the Kingdom has virtually only terminals I'd rather want a Throne Room than Flagship.

About the buffed card, it is well worded to avoid rule issues and could be viable and I don't think that there is anything in principle wrong with fan cards that are based on cards that didn't survive playtesting. But on the other hand it should also be clear that such a fan card is unlikely to be very good.
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« Reply #141 on: January 22, 2017, 02:10:21 pm »
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Flagship seems like it's strictly better than a Laboratory, since it's basically a Lab that causes the next Action card to be played next turn as well...
Flagship is the Duration variation of Throne Room which Donald tested at 3$ plus a Necro.

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- There was a now-and-later Throne Room variant. Play an Action, play it again next turn. It was both confusing and weak. What if you use it on a duration card? How long does it stay on the table? It could have said "non-duration," but that's pretty sad in a set with 8 duration cards. And did I mention it was weak? It left before development started.

I don't see what it has to do with Lab; if anything it is a combo between Necro, Haven and Throne Room. And I am pretty sure that unless the Kingdom has virtually only terminals I'd rather want a Throne Room than Flagship.

About the buffed card, it is well worded to avoid rule issues and could be viable and I don't think that there is anything in principle wrong with fan cards that are based on cards that didn't survive playtesting. But on the other hand it should also be clear that such a fan card is unlikely to be very good.

Lab: +2 Cards, play an Action card.

Flagship: +2 Cards, play an Action card, then play that Action next turn.
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« Reply #142 on: January 22, 2017, 03:08:45 pm »
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@Gubump: You're quite correct, I'll change that. Originally it gave +1 Card and cost , but I didn't like the +1 Card on a terminal. I forget however that it is essentially a cantrip because it gives a pseudo-action. I'll change that

@Everyone: Please play with Supplements as you see fit. They have very little testing so they may work better in a different form, I encourage you to try them out however you want. It also probably depends on the supplement in question, Scholar or Oriental Market would probably work as kingdom cards but Illusion and Paramnesia won't unless you put a cursing attack in on purpose.

@Fragasnap
Arcanum: You're right, I fixed the curse gaining then drawing but not the copper one.
Archers: Yes, I seem to have missed that.
Street: I have that changed, but thank you for reminding me to re-upload my fixes.
Weaponsmith: Yes, you're right. / I have (Edited) on there because I dropped the part where you first have to reveal the Treasures, which could matter with certain cards. It's a stretch so I'll go by your call.
Missionary: I'm curious why you thought it was thematic, I didn't notice any real theme. I'll change it if you want me to, though.
Frontier: I haven't played any real games with it (a lot of mine tend to end short, or a card never gets bought at all). I just don't like how it's gone so fast, and if/when I change it back to once every turn I'll keep the Seasons type because it makes sense to use the mechanic.

Also, Fragasnap, you seem restrained and I don't mind if you're a bit ruder. They're your cards man, if you want me to change them back just tell me to I will unless I feel like I have solid playtesting evidence not to (which I don't).
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« Reply #143 on: January 22, 2017, 07:15:23 pm »
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Frontier: I haven't played any real games with it (a lot of mine tend to end short, or a card never gets bought at all). I just don't like how it's gone so fast, and if/when I change it back to once every turn I'll keep the Seasons type because it makes sense to use the mechanic.

The fact that it disappears quickly is part of the point of Frontier. It's worth 5VP for the same cost as a duchy. The drawback is having to buy it early and have the dead card in your deck. I don't remember exactly how the seasons work, but doesn't "at the start of Spring" mean the very beginning of the game? So with your tweaks, there are only 6 (or 2) Frontiers in the pile from the beginning? Do I understand that correctly?

That said, I also made a change to Frontier for when I use it. I added this to the original: "When this pile is emptied, add six copies of another kingdom card pile costing less than this to the supply. They are considered to be part of the same supply pile as Frontier."

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« Reply #144 on: January 23, 2017, 03:18:07 am »
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Flagship seems like it's strictly better than a Laboratory, since it's basically a Lab that causes the next Action card to be played next turn as well...
Flagship is the Duration variation of Throne Room which Donald tested at 3$ plus a Necro.

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I don't see what it has to do with Lab; if anything it is a combo between Necro, Haven and Throne Room. And I am pretty sure that unless the Kingdom has virtually only terminals I'd rather want a Throne Room than Flagship.

About the buffed card, it is well worded to avoid rule issues and could be viable and I don't think that there is anything in principle wrong with fan cards that are based on cards that didn't survive playtesting. But on the other hand it should also be clear that such a fan card is unlikely to be very good.

Lab: +2 Cards, play an Action card.

Flagship: +2 Cards, play an Action card, then play that Action next turn.
Oops, I misread the +2 Card as +2 Actions.
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« Reply #145 on: January 23, 2017, 08:11:49 am »
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The fact that it disappears quickly is part of the point of Frontier. It's worth 5VP for the same cost as a duchy. The drawback is having to buy it early and have the dead card in your deck.
Yeah, but this pile also disappears as quickly, there's just more in there at one time. Maybe this makes it too good, IDK, but I like having more opportunity to buy them.
I don't remember exactly how the seasons work, but doesn't "at the start of Spring" mean the very beginning of the game? So with your tweaks, there are only 6 (or 2) Frontiers in the pile from the beginning? Do I understand that correctly?
Yes, I meant Fall. I forgot that the game starts in Spring, so you would be right.
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« Reply #146 on: January 23, 2017, 04:55:03 pm »
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That said, I also made a change to Frontier for when I use it. I added this to the original: "When this pile is emptied, add six copies of another kingdom card pile costing less than this to the supply. They are considered to be part of the same supply pile as Frontier."
Instead of putting it on the card and pulling out new cards during the game, you could have the randomizer say something like "This pile starts the game with 6 copies of a random kingdom card at the bottom and 12 copies of Frontier on top", couldn't you?

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« Reply #147 on: January 23, 2017, 06:53:20 pm »
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That said, I also made a change to Frontier for when I use it. I added this to the original: "When this pile is emptied, add six copies of another kingdom card pile costing less than this to the supply. They are considered to be part of the same supply pile as Frontier."
Instead of putting it on the card and pulling out new cards during the game, you could have the randomizer say something like "This pile starts the game with 6 copies of a random kingdom card at the bottom and 12 copies of Frontier on top", couldn't you?
Yeah, I thought about that, but not until after I printed the version I've been using. And it doesn't make enough difference to be worth reprinting.

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« Reply #148 on: January 25, 2017, 09:18:57 am »
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I think I'll make a slight change to Oriental Market: if you end your buy phase with unspent and you bought a card, you can gain one. I feel like this is more true to my original purpose: it deals with all your extra , but you can only gain it if you have a ton of leftover.
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« Reply #149 on: January 26, 2017, 08:57:53 pm »
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Weaponsmith: Yes, you're right. / I have (Edited) on there because I dropped the part where you first have to reveal the Treasures, which could matter with certain cards. It's a stretch so I'll go by your call.
I didn't notice that. I am of the opinion that Opulent Castle is worded incorrectly since there is no way to prove that all discarded cards are Victory cards. The reason the cards are revealed is to keep players accountable since discards are atomic (unless the rule has changed since Empires release when I wasn't looking).
I would advocate that Weaponsmith keep players accountable. You can do what you want, though.

Missionary: I'm curious why you thought it was thematic, I didn't notice any real theme. I'll change it if you want me to, though.
Trashing valuable cards is funding the Missionaries and the converts bring labor (in the form of +Actions and Action cards when you trash Silver).

Also, Fragasnap, you seem restrained and I don't mind if you're a bit ruder. They're your cards man, if you want me to change them back just tell me to I will unless I feel like I have solid playtesting evidence not to (which I don't).
I don't mind your changes, they're just cards. I only wrote the "why" in bold because I had asked previously and received no answer.

Frontier: I haven't played any real games with it (a lot of mine tend to end short, or a card never gets bought at all). I just don't like how it's gone so fast, and if/when I change it back to once every turn I'll keep the Seasons type because it makes sense to use the mechanic.
The fact that it disappears quickly is part of the point of Frontier. It's worth 5VP for the same cost as a duchy. The drawback is having to buy it early and have the dead card in your deck.
Correct.
It actually has the issue that 12 turns is too long to last in multiplayer games. Early tests with 10 copies have been promising.
If you're frustrated about how it is gone so fast though, ThetaSigma12, your version is gone even faster on turn 5, since 6 copies are put into the trash on turn 1.

That said, I also made a change to Frontier for when I use it. I added this to the original: "When this pile is emptied, add six copies of another kingdom card pile costing less than this to the supply. They are considered to be part of the same supply pile as Frontier."
Instead of putting it on the card and pulling out new cards during the game, you could have the randomizer say something like "This pile starts the game with 6 copies of a random kingdom card at the bottom and 12 copies of Frontier on top", couldn't you?
I'd be much more fond of the idea if there were more cards in Greed that could utilize such a setup mechanism.
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« Reply #150 on: January 27, 2017, 07:54:27 am »
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Random stuff in the works:
  • I'm breaking up the "Other Cards" section. Right now I just know for now I'll have new entries as "sets" for my other cards, Co0kiel0rd's cards, and MattLee's cards. Hopefully, this will make it easier.
  • I've redone Asper's cards and I'll post those. Some of them have no difference, other than the creator and font sizes, but I made them anyway for completeness.
  • I'm gonna start a google doc that will be linked from my first post. In it, I'll hopefully go a little more in-depth, \list the other cards in the expansion and why I didn't do them, and other stuff. If you want to know about a card just hit that ctrl-F and search for it.
  • I'm hoping to start doing a "weekly hall of fame" where I'll show 3 of my favorite cards for the week.
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« Reply #151 on: January 28, 2017, 05:00:19 pm »
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Game Repot! Sorry I don't have the time to visualize a kingdom.

Kingdom was Vassal, Prince, Ironmonger, Band of Misfits, Sentry, Farmers' Market Bells, Hunting Dog, Bells, Indulgence, Audience, Wolf Den, Expedition. Hitting early is crucial, getting that Sentry early will really help and Band of Misfits is really good with several good targets. I opened Silver/Vassal, but maybe one of those should have been an Expedition. My opponent got a Bells and a Hunting dog. Not the best combo, but don't judge he doesn't play very often. Indulgence is also really crucial because it's pretty good, verging on .

Mid-game was fun, I got good luck early with Sentry, trashing 2 cards 3 times. I had trouble getting last Copper out for Wolf Den, though. Farmer's market was good to me netting me about 8 total, or maybe 12 I forget. Indulgence helped me net several , with me once buying 4 Bells just for the 8. The hard thing was Bells and Vassal could only play Actions, so I had trouble drawing them. Ironmonger was the only real draw for Treasures. 2 Princed Vassals early was great.

I won 41 to 37. My opponent forgot about wolf den, and I had trashed all but 1 of my Farmers' Markets giving me a -3. 2 Indulgences with my opponent naming Dutchy/Silver on my second to last turn gave me a good deal of catch up and Bells helped ignore the 4 green in my deck.

Thoughts on the cards: Indulgence's wording is messed up, it should say "names a card costing to that's the top card of a Supply pile" to avoid impossible buys with Split Piles, Knights, or just naming a card not in the supply. With the wording fixed, I think it could cost , but I don't know. More often than not there'll be a dumb card and early game they can just always name Dutchy when you can't green, or Silver when you don't want Treasure.

Bells is OK, maybe it could cost but IDK. The real problem is it's kinda boring, maybe too much like Synod. Thoughts?

Hunting Dog maybe would be better if it revealed the top 6 cards of your deck, or had some cap. Just playing your next Action for free might be too good. It wasn't used very much late game though so it's probably fine just really good it turns 3-6 or so.

Audience should say "you may", but otherwise it was great. I used it last turn for a BoM to avoid Wolf Den, even though my opponent got a Prince out of it. I only bought one because I was scared of using it without a "you may", but BoM helped me use it only when it was necessary.
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« Reply #152 on: January 28, 2017, 08:38:09 pm »
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I realized you actually re-did all of my cards. Thank you for crediting me in the flattering way you did. I am also relieved to find you didn't actually change that much. All of the changes you did (I think you just changed the art on Farmer and the wording of Investor?) are completely fine with me. In fact, I suppose Investor is cleaner this way. I didn't want to mash up expansion mechanics, so I changed it to the wording over in my thread, but well, the simple "two kinds of tokens" thing is maybe just better.
My only reservation is that Sultan might need a fix. There's an attempt over in my thread (I think?) but it's untested. Edit: Nope, there's none. Apparently I never uploaded it.
Also, couldn't help but notice you didn't mock up Meadow and the split pile. I can't blame you for either, though ;)

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« Reply #153 on: January 28, 2017, 09:21:47 pm »
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I realized you actually re-did all of my cards. Thank you for crediting me in the flattering way you did. I am also relieved to find you didn't actually change that much. All of the changes you did (I think you just changed the art on Farmer and the wording of Investor?) are completely fine with me. In fact, I suppose Investor is cleaner this way. I didn't want to mash up expansion mechanics, so I changed it to the wording over in my thread, but well, the simple "two kinds of tokens" thing is maybe just better.
My only reservation is that Sultan might need a fix. There's an attempt over in my thread (I think?) but it's untested. Edit: Nope, there's none. Apparently I never uploaded it.
Also, couldn't help but notice you didn't mock up Meadow and the split pile. I can't blame you for either, though ;)
I did do Meadow?... Maybe it failed to get posted. I still need to do the split pile.

I figured I'd change Farmer and Investor since their not different in any other way.
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« Reply #154 on: January 30, 2017, 05:54:01 pm »
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Game report #2

Kingdom: Travelling Fair, Arena, Scion, Architect, Cavalry, Antiquarian, Floodgate, City Quarter, Mill, Archive, Diplomat, some other I forget (it wasn't that good.) So you have a shot at an engine here, City Quarter for Actions and Draw, weak trashing with Architect, and some possible draw-to-x with mill, diplomat, and possibly antiquarian. I opened Mill/Architect and my opponent did Silver/Mill I think. There was a possibility with TF/Architect for an edge on trashing but I thought getting extra Mills was crucial. The game didn't play out that interestingly. There was some complex tracking with actions, and mill, and Archives. I got a diplomat which in retrospect was bad since I always forgot to use it against cavalry and I hardly ever needed the +2 Actions. I lost because I was unable to discard 2 cards to mill because it would prevent my engine from kicking off, leaving me short of the I needed to pile the Provinces. My opponent won on the next turn. I missed several good chances with Arena where I should have discarded for which could have given me the win.

Floodgate: It's fun, Mill actually gave it a chance to shine by setting aside extra cards for your next mills and extra green.

Scion: Weak. We never went into them, though I admit that Mill was a big deterrent. I could make it cost , but I'd like to add an extra card for now. City Quarter got me thinking, though, maybe a cost would work.

Antiquarian: I constantly failed to use the second option, but the mini stables was nice. I think it's a good card.

Cavalry: Weak, it should be 2, though I might have underestimated the sifting. Maybe with 2 at .

Architecht: Really fun, probably my favorite. Scoin made it so the no s clause wouldn't have mattered as much, but still cool.
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« Reply #155 on: March 02, 2017, 10:13:33 am »
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Hmm, I still have a lot of work to do if I want to update Asper's cards. I'm planning on not doing the edicts. I'm also thinking about doing Seasons, and maybe some cards from Dominion: Conquest, and whatever Neraki the Forgiven named his.
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« Reply #156 on: March 02, 2017, 04:56:34 pm »
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Hmm, I still have a lot of work to do if I want to update Asper's cards. I'm planning on not doing the edicts. I'm also thinking about doing Seasons, and maybe some cards from Dominion: Conquest, and whatever Neraki the Forgiven named his.

I still have tons of cards from Conquest I haven't shown. I've also mocked them all up using the Generator, so I can send you the links if you would like.
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