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'Bad' Rap
« on: September 13, 2016, 10:16:50 pm »
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So we talked about rap for about a second in Random Stuff III. It was suggested that a RSP thread be made. I don't actually think we need to go to RSP. We need more RAP and less RSP!

Anyway, a few general questions:

1. Is there such thing as good rap?
2. What makes rap goods? The lyrics? The video? The voice/artist? The beat? A combination?
3. What are some rap songs you listen to that would you consider 'good?'
4. Is there amy rap that you consider 'bad' but still enjoy listening to?

I'm going to tackle question four and post a few rap songs that I regularly listen to:

Coolio-Gangster's Paradise
A little bit of Rae Sremmurd
Some Waka Flocka Flame
T.I
Future I guess
50 Cent
Kendrick Lamar
DJ Khaled
Tyja
Denzel Curry
Keven Gates


I think all of those besides Coolio are 'bad.' You could make a case for a few of them but it wouldn't be super strong. However, I still enjoy listening to all of the above.
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2016, 10:21:10 pm »
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When I saw the subject and who posted it, I was sure you were going to protest about Scout getting a bad rap.

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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2016, 10:33:02 pm »
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Even notably "bad" rap has a lot of value. Have you ever listened to Lil' Wayne? Every single line is just absolutely terrible puns and word play. It's great.
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2016, 10:54:23 pm »
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Even notably "bad" rap has a lot of value. Have you ever listened to Lil' Wayne? Every single line is just absolutely terrible puns and word play. It's great.
That's a pretty good example. I agree, I like the lyrics. They're funny and witty. But I can't stand his voice. So I don't listen to him
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2016, 11:20:58 pm »
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2016, 11:58:06 pm »
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I personally feel like good rap is a combination of good lyrics and a good rapper.  Some rap (which I feel like is more popular) is really slow and the voices just sound weird.  However, when get some guy blazing through great lyrics and you can still understand them, I feel like it's good.
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2016, 12:36:00 am »
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Andrew Huang is great at both good rap and good bad rap, which he mostly achieves through puns and clever wordplay although he also has the skill to rap really fast. I think it also helps that he has a strong background in many genres of music, so he can borrow what he knows in non-rap styles to boost his rap.


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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2016, 02:14:03 am »
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Every rap is perfect compared to russian one guys. You've to believe me.

I love Outkast and Eminem a lot.
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2016, 03:17:14 am »
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Every rap is perfect compared to russian one guys. You've to believe me.

I love Outkast and Eminem a lot.
I've heard that the easiest way to clear a dancefloor is to start playing Czech crunk.
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2016, 08:29:35 am »
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One of the examples of good lyricism and wordplay from this Huang guy you linked to is literally a Kanye West cover? And yeah, Kanye is a great lyricist, and does the whole bravado game well. There's a reason he plays up his reputation as a cocky asshole; it's part of his rap persona and it makes his music better.
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2016, 01:25:57 pm »
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Calling Kendrick Lamar bad is funny to me :)
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2016, 06:47:08 pm »
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beck won a grammy but it wasn't for one of the rappy ones unfortunately
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2016, 07:12:41 pm »
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One of the examples of good lyricism and wordplay from this Huang guy you linked to is literally a Kanye West cover? And yeah, Kanye is a great lyricist, and does the whole bravado game well. There's a reason he plays up his reputation as a cocky asshole; it's part of his rap persona and it makes his music better.
I freely admit I linked a Kanye cover, more for his interpretation and arrangement. Also because I threw it in there while looking for raps he actually wrote himself and didn't bother taking it out.
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2016, 07:14:25 pm »
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You can never go wrong with DJ Khaled.
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2016, 08:33:06 pm »
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If you're a fan of bad rap or like making fun of it, you need to check out GMCfosho. He's the guy who did imdabes, in case any of you know that video. He's basically a parody of bad rappers. He makes songs that are a mix of so bad it's good and actually good.

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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2016, 09:05:36 pm »
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That was a great song.
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2016, 10:04:01 pm »
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I will offer this bad rap and I certainly don't enjoy it.



As one of the older posters on the forum, I feel unashamed in saying that rap ruins a vast swathe of music for me. It was fine when people like Gil Scott Heron had something articulate to say but I intensely dislike the common rap style of narcissistic self aggrandizement. Too many songs with good riffs (usually sampled) and great female vocals were ruined by some twerp boasting away as if he's god's gift to music. I felt that a large proportion of rap was created to culturally exclude people like myself so in that sense it succeeded. Also as a British guy I felt there was nothing worse than British kids with a gangsta attitude thinking they were 'all that' in their stupid 'designer' sportswear. Rant over. I felt like someone had to say it.
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2016, 03:01:58 am »
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I think bad rap gets a bad rap.
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2016, 04:32:45 am »
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I think bad rap gets a bad rap.

This is only the third time I've seen this joke on this forum this week.
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2016, 06:07:31 am »
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I think bad rap gets a bad rap.

This is only the third time I've seen this joke on this forum this week.

So only 87-90 more times until f.ds gets sick of it?
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2016, 08:14:35 am »
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I think bad rap gets a bad rap.

This is only the third time I've seen this joke on this forum this week.

So only 87-90 more times until f.ds gets sick of it?

Let's make a bracket to decide, because bad rap jokes are far more skippable than people think. They're Da Bomb, and there's been a real decline in civility on this forum (and Isotropic) these days. Mine and Mint are often mixed up.
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2016, 09:58:34 am »
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I think bad rap gets a bad rap.

This is only the third time I've seen this joke on this forum this week.

So only 87-90 more times until f.ds gets sick of it?

Let's make a bracket to decide, because bad rap jokes are far more skippable than people think. They're Da Bomb, and there's been a real decline in civility on this forum (and Isotropic) these days. Mine and Mint are often mixed up.

I think bad rap gets a bad moat.

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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2016, 10:04:50 am »
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It's not a rap but I just feel compelled to post it here.

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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2017, 02:13:58 pm »
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So I understand I am necromacing this thread from quite awhile ago but I'm bored.

I realized this was a pretty long post and felt the need to toss a disclaimer up here that some of the songs discussed below are explicit and almost all have adult themes, as such they should be listened to with appropriate discretion.

I think the questions posed in the op are actually pretty interesting. First off I don't really think there is such a thing as "good" or "bad" music. Obviously there is a collective taste that the audience of a genre of music enjoys and that is usually what determines a "good" song from a "bad" one. As far as rap goes in the past lyricism was king, poetry put to a tune. But in current days beat fetishism has taken over mainstream rap and it's mostly about production value and beats that "move" you.

My favorite rapper and one who I think does a good job of blendig clever poetic lyrics with really diverse beats is childish gambino. It's infortunate his sophomore album "because the internet" is his most popular because camp and awaken my love are both clearly albums he spent more time with and poured more of himself into. Redbone/california/zombies are really really fun songs that can really work their way inside your head and make you never want to stop listening, they also have a very gorillaz vibe to them if you liked them.

B.o.b. Is also a really good example of a poetic diverse rapper who has everything from club bangers like "bands" to introspective ballads like bob vs. bobby ray.

As for "bad" rap I guess Big baby dram comes to mind. Broccoli and cash machine are songs that are really fun to listen to and have catchy beats that make you wanna move but the beats don't have any real progression to them nor do the lyrics have any meaning to them whatsoever.

Lastly if your a fan of early 2000's rap at all T-pains NPR tiny desk concert on YouTube is a MUST WATCH I'm not going to spoil anything but really go listen to it.
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Re: 'Bad' Rap
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2017, 12:11:24 am »
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I dislike the lyrics of most rap songs. That and the voices of a lot of rappers are crap. And I find the beats way too aggressive.
I will get a lot of hate for this, but the only rap songs I actually enjoy are a couple youtubers and Lin-Manuel Miranda (read: Hamilton)
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