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Replacement for starting coppers
« on: September 11, 2016, 10:10:31 pm »
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Bronze
0*
Action-treasure
Set this aside on your bronze mat
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Worth 1$ per card on your bronze mat

Bronze mat Setup (In rulebook)
Put one bronze on every player's bronze mat
Each player starts with 7 bronzes instead of coppers
When you buy a victory card trash a card from your bronze mat(your choice).

Any ideas on how to make the card more concise?
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Re: Replacement for starting coppers
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2016, 10:43:53 pm »
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This is difficult to parse. It it supposed to be "Set this aside..." if played as an action* and "Worth..." if played as a treasure*?

*Which are not real concepts in the rules, see Crown.

I think a better wording would be something like:

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If it's your Action phase, set this aside on your Bronze mat. If it's your Buy phase, worth $1 per Bronze on your Bronze mat.
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In games using this, when you buy a victory card, trash a card from your Bronze mat.
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Setup: Put a Bronze on every player's Bronze mat

In terms of balance, this seems off the chain. Your money increases quadratically; you'll probably end up with 3 Bronzes worth $5 each around turn 5, which is the equivalent of trading all 7 starting copper for 3 platinum. I think you can get $16 on turn 2 (with 2+necropolis/5 opening), which is pretty nuts.
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Re: Replacement for starting coppers
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2016, 11:01:46 pm »
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This is difficult to parse. It it supposed to be "Set this aside..." if played as an action* and "Worth..." if played as a treasure*?

*Which are not real concepts in the rules, see Crown.

I think a better wording would be something like:

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If it's your Action phase, set this aside on your Bronze mat. If it's your Buy phase, worth $1 per Bronze on your Bronze mat.
-----
In games using this, when you buy a victory card, trash a card from your Bronze mat.
-----
Setup: Put a Bronze on every player's Bronze mat

In terms of balance, this seems off the chain. Your money increases quadratically; you'll probably end up with 3 Bronzes worth $5 each around turn 5, which is the equivalent of trading all 7 starting copper for 3 platinum. I think you can get $16 on turn 2 (with 2+necropolis/5 opening), which is pretty nuts.
That is a much better wording.
This drastically changes how you build your deck but that isn't necessarily bad. Donate does this but as it available to everyone at every time it is a balanced card. This card is equally avaiable to everyone and therefore is "balanced".

As far as openings go, while getting 15 turn two is crazy it isn't usually that diffeent than getting five.
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Re: Replacement for starting coppers
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2016, 12:14:06 am »
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Idea to make it less cray-cray:

Bronze
- Action/Treasure - $0
If played during your Action phase, put this on your Bronze mat
If played during your Buy phase, worth $1 per Bronze on your Bronze mat. Discard one Bronze from your Bronze mat.

Hm, actually, makes the opening suck. Maybe this?

Bronze - Action/Treasure - $0
If this is the first Bronze you've played this turn, +1 Action.
If played during your Action phase, put this on your Bronze mat
If played during your Buy phase, worth $1 per Bronze on your Bronze mat. Discard one Bronze from your Bronze mat.
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Re: Replacement for starting coppers
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2016, 09:47:51 am »
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I think this looks interesting. Playing with this plus shelters means you start with 10 totally different cards, and I like cards which make the first 2 turns more interesting.
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Re: Replacement for starting coppers
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2016, 11:07:00 am »
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Re: Replacement for starting coppers
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2016, 03:37:21 am »
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I think it weak, too.
At least, needs a way to put on the mat twice in a turn.
But +1 Action makes it too strong.

Fmm...

How about this?
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Bronze
cost $0* - Treasure
Choose one: put this on your Bronze mat; or trash this and earn $1 per Bronze on your Bronze mat.
One-shot.
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Re: Replacement for starting coppers
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2016, 01:44:07 pm »
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I think it weak, too.
At least, needs a way to put on the mat twice in a turn.
But +1 Action makes it too strong.

Fmm...

How about this?
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Bronze
cost $0* - Treasure
Choose one: put this on your Bronze mat; or trash this and earn $1 per Bronze on your Bronze mat.
One-shot.
THen turn 3 you have now tresures left (Not what i was intending)
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