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Gain Provinces as many as possible
« on: July 24, 2016, 09:36:28 am »
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From this Japanese blog.
http://oourajin.hatenablog.com/entry/2015/03/12/220421

Gain Provinces as many as possible.
1. 4-player game. Other players do nothing.
2. Kingdom is free.
3. Perfect luck.
4. You can use any number of turns.
5. You cannot play cards which have same names multiple times. For example, if you play Copper, you cannot play Copper anymore in this game. Throning is unacceptable.

Hard Mode: Gain Colonies instead of Provinces.
Lunatic Mode: Before Adventures.
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2016, 12:23:02 pm »
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Seems pretty OP for Cornucopia. Either way, to clarify, you can have multiple cards in hand of the same name, you can only just play one?
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2016, 01:00:40 pm »
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Do you start with a normal deck?

If so, you have at best 1 copper and a necropolis to kick things off. Which pretty much means Poor House and/or a debt Card (Engineer probably) to gain you something else. How many cards can get you more than they cost with a single play?
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2016, 01:02:55 pm »
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Do you start with a normal deck?

If so, you have at best 1 copper and a necropolis to kick things off. Which pretty much means Poor House and/or a debt Card (Engineer probably) to gain you something else. How many cards can get you more than they cost with a single play?

Seems like there's no limit to the number of times you can buy an event! So Advance has to be pretty important.
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2016, 04:57:27 pm »
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Alms is probably key here.
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2016, 05:44:35 pm »
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Kingdom is:
Alms
Page
Storeroom
Black Market
Rats
Bridge
Candlestick Maker
Woodcutter
Squire
Market Square
Worker's Village
Hamlet

1. Alms for Page and upgrade into Champion; play Champion.

2. Alms for Potion, 20 Rats and 9 of every other Action.

3. Play Black Market and Potion to get Scrying Pool from the Black Market.

4. Play Scrying Pool to draw ~100 Actions.

5. Play one each of Bridge, Candlestick Maker, Woodcutter, Squire, Market Square, Worker's Village, Hamlet, getting $, Coin Token, or drawing a Copper each time and accumulating 9 total Buys and 1 cost reduction.

6. Play Storeroom, getting another buy and discarding hand for a total of a little over $100.

7. Buy 10 Colonies.
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2016, 06:56:48 pm »
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Kingdom is:
Alms
Page
Storeroom
Black Market
Rats
Bridge
Candlestick Maker
Woodcutter
Squire
Market Square
Worker's Village
Hamlet

1. Alms for Page and upgrade into Champion; play Champion.

2. Alms for Potion, 20 Rats and 9 of every other Action.

3. Play Black Market and Potion to get Scrying Pool from the Black Market.

4. Play Scrying Pool to draw ~100 Actions.

5. Play one each of Bridge, Candlestick Maker, Woodcutter, Squire, Market Square, Worker's Village, Hamlet, getting $, Coin Token, or drawing a Copper each time and accumulating 9 total Buys and 1 cost reduction.

6. Play Storeroom, getting another buy and discarding hand for a total of a little over $100.

7. Buy 10 Colonies.

Why don't you get more +buy cards from the black market?  You can also get Princess and highway for cost reduction, although it doesn't look like you will need it, although you could use those coins to buy more traveling fairs.
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2016, 07:22:20 pm »
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Kingdom is:
Alms
Page
Storeroom
Black Market
Rats
Bridge
Candlestick Maker
Woodcutter
Squire
Market Square
Worker's Village
Hamlet

1. Alms for Page and upgrade into Champion; play Champion.

2. Alms for Potion, 20 Rats and 9 of every other Action.

3. Play Black Market and Potion to get Scrying Pool from the Black Market.

4. Play Scrying Pool to draw ~100 Actions.

5. Play one each of Bridge, Candlestick Maker, Woodcutter, Squire, Market Square, Worker's Village, Hamlet, getting $, Coin Token, or drawing a Copper each time and accumulating 9 total Buys and 1 cost reduction.

6. Play Storeroom, getting another buy and discarding hand for a total of a little over $100.

7. Buy 10 Colonies.

Why don't you get more +buy cards from the black market?  You can also get Princess and highway for cost reduction, although it doesn't look like you will need it, although you could use those coins to buy more traveling fairs.

You can only play Black Market once.

But you could use Madman/City Quarter to quadruple your 100-card handsize, assuming you can stuff 400 cards into the kingdom. Travelling Fair would then provide buys. Inheritance and Ferry might also be useful somehow.

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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2016, 08:34:17 pm »
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Seems pretty OP for Cornucopia. Either way, to clarify, you can have multiple cards in hand of the same name, you can only just play one?
Yes. Only playing is limited.
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2016, 08:37:53 pm »
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Oh, I forgot to write this.

6. Up to 2 Events.
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2016, 08:50:56 pm »
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If you just want sheer quantity of actions, use the Ruins pile, as it would have 30 in it. It can also give you an extra buy from Ruined Market.
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2016, 08:58:56 pm »
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Kingdom is:
Alms
Page
Storeroom
Black Market
Rats
Bridge
Candlestick Maker
Woodcutter
Squire
Market Square
Worker's Village
Hamlet

1. Alms for Page and upgrade into Champion; play Champion.

2. Alms for Potion, 20 Rats and 9 of every other Action.

3. Play Black Market and Potion to get Scrying Pool from the Black Market.

4. Play Scrying Pool to draw ~100 Actions.

5. Play one each of Bridge, Candlestick Maker, Woodcutter, Squire, Market Square, Worker's Village, Hamlet, getting $, Coin Token, or drawing a Copper each time and accumulating 9 total Buys and 1 cost reduction.

6. Play Storeroom, getting another buy and discarding hand for a total of a little over $100.

7. Buy 10 Colonies.

Why don't you get more +buy cards from the black market?  You can also get Princess and highway for cost reduction, although it doesn't look like you will need it, although you could use those coins to buy more traveling fairs.

You can only play Black Market once.

But you could use Madman/City Quarter to quadruple your 100-card handsize, assuming you can stuff 400 cards into the kingdom. Travelling Fair would then provide buys. Inheritance and Ferry might also be useful somehow.

Ah of course. Seaway can give you one more buy
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2016, 10:26:42 pm »
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Ah of course. Seaway can give you one more buy

Seaway can give you 4 more if you gain a Ruin with it.

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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2016, 11:26:42 am »
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Use Seaway on Sir Martin. That's 12 Buys total from that pile. Use Advance and Ruins to gain them?

There might be a trick to do with split piles or Castles, but the only one that seems potentially useful to me is Fortune.

With a 2 event restriction, maybe Travelling Fair is more useful than Seaway? Both would be great, but the challenge might not be possible without Alms/Advance.  Maybe Teacher could substitute for Seaway? Oh, I guess Advance doesn't have the same potential for increasing deck size as Alms.  Hmm.
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2016, 12:19:45 pm »
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Use Seaway on Sir Martin. That's 12 Buys total from that pile. Use Advance and Ruins to gain them?

If we really wanted to, we could throw the Teacher line in to get the +Buy token on the Knights pile, then use Ferry to be able to Alms all of them?
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2016, 12:26:57 pm »
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Use Seaway on Sir Martin. That's 12 Buys total from that pile. Use Advance and Ruins to gain them?

If we really wanted to, we could throw the Teacher line in to get the +Buy token on the Knights pile, then use Ferry to be able to Alms all of them?

I mentioned Teacher.

I thought about Ferry, but then that's taking up an Event slot so you may as well have used Seaway to start and done something more productive with the kingdom slot or Black Market buy than the Peasant line.
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2016, 03:09:31 pm »
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Improved solution!

Events
Alms
Travelling Fair

Kingdom Cards
Page (Bane)
Squire
Black Market
Hermit
Storeroom
Gladiator/Fortune
Death Cart
Tournament
Rats
Bridge
Young Witch

Setup

1. Alms for:
15 Potions
39 Silvers
31 Coppers
11 Estates
29 Curses
9 Pages
9 Squires
9 Black Markets
9 Hermits
9 Storerooms
5 Gladiators
10 Death Carts (pile empty) + 20 Ruins
10 more Ruins (pile empty)
9 Tournaments
19 Rats
9 Bridges
9 Young Witches

2. Exchange Page up to Hero. Play Hero, gaining Fortune and exchanging for Champion. Play Champion. Alms the Page back.

3. Play Hermit, trashing it for Madman.

4. Play Black Market and Potion to get Scrying Pool from the Black Market.

5. Play Death Cart, trashing itself. Play Silver and Copper. Buy Province.

6. Play Tournament, revealing Province to gain Princess.

The Megaturn

1. Starting hand is Scrying Pool and 4 Copper.

2. Play Scrying Pool, drawing all 136 other Action cards and a Copper. Your handsize is now 141.

3. Play Madman, drawing the rest of your deck, which is 132 cards. Your handsize is now 272.

4. Play Gladiator, revealing Princess and getting +$3.

5. Play Bridge, getting +$1, +1 buy, and reducing costs by 1.

6. Play Squire, getting +$1 and +2 buys.

7. Play Princess, getting +1 buy and reducing costs by 2.

8. Play Storeroom, getting +1 buy and discarding everything except Fortune for +$266.

9. Play Fortune, getting +1 buy and doubling your $ from $271 to $542.

10. You now have $542 and 7 buys. Card costs are reduced by 3. Buy Travelling Fair 16 times, reducing your $ to $510 and increasing your buys to 23.

11. Buy 12 Colonies for $96 and 11 Provinces for $55. You have bought all the Colonies and Provinces and have $359 left over.

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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2016, 08:51:56 pm »
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Improved solution!

Events
Alms
Travelling Fair

Kingdom Cards
Page (Bane)
Squire
Black Market
Hermit
Storeroom
Gladiator/Fortune
Death Cart
Tournament
Rats
Bridge
Young Witch

Setup

1. Alms for:
15 Potions
39 Silvers
31 Coppers
11 Estates
29 Curses
9 Pages
9 Squires
9 Black Markets
9 Hermits
9 Storerooms
5 Gladiators
10 Death Carts (pile empty) + 20 Ruins
10 more Ruins (pile empty)
9 Tournaments
19 Rats
9 Bridges
9 Young Witches

2. Exchange Page up to Hero. Play Hero, gaining Fortune and exchanging for Champion. Play Champion. Alms the Page back.

3. Play Hermit, trashing it for Madman.

4. Play Black Market and Potion to get Scrying Pool from the Black Market.

5. Play Death Cart, trashing itself. Play Silver and Copper. Buy Province.

6. Play Tournament, revealing Province to gain Princess.

The Megaturn

1. Starting hand is Scrying Pool and 4 Copper.

2. Play Scrying Pool, drawing all 136 other Action cards and a Copper. Your handsize is now 141.

3. Play Madman, drawing the rest of your deck, which is 132 cards. Your handsize is now 272.

4. Play Gladiator, revealing Princess and getting +$3.

5. Play Bridge, getting +$1, +1 buy, and reducing costs by 1.

6. Play Squire, getting +$1 and +2 buys.

7. Play Princess, getting +1 buy and reducing costs by 2.

8. Play Storeroom, getting +1 buy and discarding everything except Fortune for +$266.

9. Play Fortune, getting +1 buy and doubling your $ from $271 to $542.

10. You now have $542 and 7 buys. Card costs are reduced by 3. Buy Travelling Fair 16 times, reducing your $ to $510 and increasing your buys to 23.

11. Buy 12 Colonies for $96 and 11 Provinces for $55. You have bought all the Colonies and Provinces and have $359 left over.

Excellent! Alms and Fortune are overpowering, as I thought.
Try Lunatic Mode, which is the original version of the quoted blog, which is before the rule change of Band of Misfits. The author managed to gain 7. I only found a way to gain 6.
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2016, 09:16:09 pm »
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(Improved solution!)

Excellent! Alms and Fortune are overpowering, as I thought.
Try Lunatic Mode, which is the original version of the quoted blog, which is before the rule change of Band of Misfits. The author managed to gain 7. I only found a way to gain 6.

I can get 7 Colonies in Lunatic Mode. I don't use Band of Misfits but basically the same Scrying Pool/Storeroom payload. The tricky part is getting started and getting enough buys. I will wait to post and see how others can do.
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2016, 06:12:41 am »
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7 without Alms nor Advance? Insane!
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2016, 09:04:13 am »
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(Improved solution!)

Excellent! Alms and Fortune are overpowering, as I thought.
Try Lunatic Mode, which is the original version of the quoted blog, which is before the rule change of Band of Misfits. The author managed to gain 7. I only found a way to gain 6.

I can get 7 Colonies in Lunatic Mode. I don't use Band of Misfits but basically the same Scrying Pool/Storeroom payload. The tricky part is getting started and getting enough buys. I will wait to post and see how others can do.

I can manage 7 colonies in Lunatic Mod (no BoM) as well, with presumably a similar solution.
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2016, 12:04:31 pm »
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I figured out how to get 8 Colonies in Lunatic Mode. Knights were the key improvement!

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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2016, 08:12:47 pm »
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Example: 5 Provinces

Kingdom: Poor House, Squire, Stonemason, Develop, Death Cart,
Remake, Graverobber, Border Village, Expand, Peddler
Use Shelters and Platinum/Colony

Buy Abandoned Mine, Ruined Market, Ruined Village
Play Copper, Abandoned Mine, buy Squire
Play Squire(gain Silver), buy Poor House
Play Necropolis, Ruined Village, Ruined Market, Poor House(reveal Abandoned Mine), buy Death Cart, Peddler
Play Peddler, Death Cart(trash Ruined Village), Silver, buy Stonemason, overpay $6, gain Border Village, Develop, Border Village, Remake
Play Remake(trash Border Village, Peddler, gain Expand, Platinum)
Play Platinum, buy Graverobber
Play Stonemason(trash Platinum, gain Province, Province)
Play Expand(trash Graverobber, gain Province)
Play Develop(trash Expand, gain Province, Border Village, Graverobber)
Play Graverobber(trash Border Village, gain Province)

3B(Black Market, Baker, Bane) are unused. Of course, this is improvable.
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2016, 02:25:51 am »
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Since it's no longer the best, here's my 7 Colonies solution:

Kingdom: Poor House, Secret Chamber, Squire, Stonemason (Bane), Scrying Pool, Hermit, Market Square, Storeroom, Black Market (Black Market deck includes Baker, Death Cart, Young Witch), Remake, Festival

Play Copper, buy Poor House
Buy 30 Ruins
Play Poor House with no treasures, buy Stonemason, overpay 2, gain Squire, Secret Chamber
Play Secret Chamber, discard hand, buy Remake
Play Remake, trash Estate, gain Hermit, trash Estate, gain Market Square
Play Hermit, gain Storeroom, trash Estate, discard Market Square, gain Gold, trash Hermit, gain Madman
Play Stonemason, trash Gold, gain Potion, gain Festival
Play Abandoned Mine, Potion, use coin token from Baker, buy Scrying Pool
Buy all but 1 Copper and Curse (from now on "c" means one of these)

Megaturn: starting hand is cccc+Scrying Pool
Play Scrying Pool, draw 30 Ruins, Poor House, Remake, Secret Chamber, Market Square, Stonemason, Madman, Scrying Pool, Squire, Storeroom, Festival, copper/curse
Play Madman, draw 44 copper/curse -> 1 buy 2 actions 0 money
Play Festival -> 2 buys 3 actions 2 money
Play Squire -> 4 buys 2 actions 3 money
Play Market Square -> 5 buys 2 actions 3 money, draw copper/curse
Play Ruined Market -> 6 buys 1 action 3 money
Play Storeroom, discarding 29 ruins, 50 copper/curse, Poor House, Remake, Stonemason, Secret Chamber -> 7 buys 0 actions 86 money
Buy 7 Colonies
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Re: Gain Provinces as many as possible
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2016, 06:46:27 am »
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Oh, you gave me the 10th Province!

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Kingdom: Poor House, Squire, Stonemason (Bane), Scrying Pool, Hermit, Market Square, Storeroom, Black Market (Black Market deck includes Candlestick Maker, Baker, Death Cart, Young Witch), Remake, Sir Martin, Festival
Use Shelters

Play Copper, buy Poor House
Buy 30 Ruins
Play Poor House with no treasures, use a coin token, buy Stonemason, overpay $3, gain Hermit, Market Square
Play Hermit, gain Storeroom, trash Overgrown Estate, discard Market Square, gain Gold, trash Hermit, gain Madman
Play Gold, Abandoned Mine, buy Stonemason, overpay $2, gain 2 Squire
Play Stonemason, trash Gold, gain Remake, gain Festival
Play Remake, trash Squire, gain Scrying Pool, gain Silver, trash Squire, gain Sir Martin, gain Black Market
Play Black Market, buy Candlestick Maker
Play Silver, buy Squire
Buy all but 1 Copper and Curse (from now on "c" means one of these)

Megaturn: starting hand is cccc+Scrying Pool
Play Scrying Pool, draw 30 Ruins, Poor House, Remake, Necropolis, Market Square, 2 Stonemason, Madman, Sir Martin, Squire, Storeroom, Festival, Black Market, Candlestick Maker, copper/curse
Play Madman, draw 47 copper/curse -> 1 buy 2 actions 0 money
Play Festival -> 2 buys 3 actions 2 money
Play Squire -> 4 buys 2 actions 3 money
Play Market Square -> 5 buys 2 actions 3 money, draw copper/curse
Play Ruined Market -> 6 buys 1 action 3 money
Play Necropolis -> 6 buys 2 action 3 money
Play Sir Martin -> 8 buys 1 action 3 money
Play Candlestick Maker -> 9 buys 1 action 3 money
Play Storeroom, discarding 29 ruins, 52 copper/curse, Poor House, Remake, 2 Stonemason, Black Market -> 10 buys 0 actions 89 money
Use a coin token
Buy 10 Provinces

EDIT: The original author says he can gain 8th without buying in Lunatic Mode.
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