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M85: Olympics Mafia (Game Over!)
« on: July 19, 2016, 01:41:36 pm »

Welcome to M85: Olympics Mafia by gkrieg13.

This game is for 9 players, and is an invented, semi-open setup designed by gkrieg13.

Co-mod:

Sign ups are open.


1. silverspawn
2. Calamitas
3. Seprix - Swimming, the Bodyguard
4. Roadrunner7671 - Basketball, posing as Badminton, the Mafia Roleblocker
5. Iguanaiguana
6. Mail-mi
7. SpaceAnemone - Rowing, the Watcher
8. LaLight - Cycling, the Tracker
9. Joseph2302 - Fencing, the Vanilla Townie

Tags: J Reggie, SirMartin

Game State Tracker:
Day 1 start || Day 1 end
Day 2 start || Day 2 end
Day 3 start || Day 3 end
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The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.


The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by your role QT.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Quoting of QTs is forbidden as well
5. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
6. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
7. Players must post once every 24 hours.
8. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
9. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
10. Cryptography is not allowed.
11. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
12. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
13. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. Lynch rules vary by the number of players alive. With 10 or more players alive, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. Ties are broken by coin flip. With nine or fewer players alive, if a majority lynch is not reached by the deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, green text is reserved for the Mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please write to the Mod in your role QT. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently, especially because I am a new mod. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via your role QT. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last seven IRL days.
2. Nights will last two IRL days.
3. Night action phase submission deadline will be 36 hours after the night begins.
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Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2016, 01:41:44 pm »

Setup Post:

Town PRs (power roles) will be chosen the following way:

- Roles and modifiers will be randomly selected from the roles and modifiers lists until the points add up to 7 or more. The modifiers and roles will be applied to the 7 town members independently, so you may end up with a VT (vanilla townie) that has a modifier, or a PR (power role) with no modifier.
- All modifiers will be unknown.
- Town members who don't get a role will be a VT.

Roles:
  • Jailkeeper: 4
  • Tracker: 4
  • Watcher: 4
  • Rolecop: 4
  • Vigilante: 3
  • Doctor: 2
  • Neapolitan: 1
  • Roleblocker: 1
  • Bodyguard: 1

Modifiers:
  • Random: -3
  • Weak: -2
  • Miller (always shown as JOAT to rolecop): -1
  • Witness (always shown targeting the person who died if tracked): 0
  • Framed (always shown as targeting the person who was killed for a watcher): 0
  • Macho: 0
  • Loud: 1
  • Ascetic: 2
  • Vanillaising: 2

- Mafia will be:

1 Mafia JOAT (1-shot of each: Strongman, Ninja, Godfather)
1 Mafia Goon if the number is 7 or lower, 1 Mafia Roleblocker if the number is 8 or higher



All players will be given role QTs and all communications with the mod should be made in those role QTs.
The PRs and modifiers have been designed so none of the PRs can ever be 100% certain of their results!
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Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2016, 01:41:50 pm »

Flavor Post:

The flavor for this game will be olympics.   

I might change the flavor if something better comes to mind before the game begins.

Flavor written by me has no effect on the game.  Town will be know as Olympic Sports, mafia will be known as "Real" Sports
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Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2016, 01:52:56 pm »

f/inrst!
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Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2016, 01:54:20 pm »

yay!

I also want to know what people think of the new setup.  This way there will be an unknown number of PRs, so hopefully it won't be like the last game of this setup...
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Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2016, 01:59:20 pm »

I feel like the modifiers are somewhat unbalanced. Some are pretty bad (Random, Macho) while others are actually good (Ascetic, possibly Loud and Vanillaising). Maybe there should be a point system for them as well?

Also, what does Insane do? I only know this modifier for Cops, but this setup has no Cops.
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Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2016, 02:28:47 pm »

I feel like the modifiers are somewhat unbalanced. Some are pretty bad (Random, Macho) while others are actually good (Ascetic, possibly Loud and Vanillaising). Maybe there should be a point system for them as well?

Also, what does Insane do? I only know this modifier for Cops, but this setup has no Cops.

I was thinking that it would be for rolecops but I should really just take it out.  It could also apply to neapolitans. 

A point system would work for the modifiers.  Mafia's strength could be determined by power of roles - power of modifiers.
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Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2016, 02:38:50 pm »

So I did 3 randomizations, and I need to tweak something, because right now we get:

Witness RB, Vanillaising Vig, Ascetic Vig vs. JOAT and Goon

Ascetic Jk and vanillaising Rolecop vs JOAT and Goon

weak Jailkeeper,Miller Bodyguard, Framed Neapolitan, Ascetic Roleblocker, vs. JOAT and Goon

I think Jailkeeper probably needs to go into the 4 class, and maybe lower Roleblocker and Doctor each down one.
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Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2016, 06:57:33 pm »

I feel like the modifiers are somewhat unbalanced. Some are pretty bad (Random, Macho) while others are actually good (Ascetic, possibly Loud and Vanillaising). Maybe there should be a point system for them as well?

This.
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Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2016, 07:51:38 pm »

Ok with the modifiers added with point values 3 random setups gives:

Macho JK, Macho Vig vs. JOAT and Goon

Miller Neapolitan, Random Doctor, Witness Vig, Loud Watcher, Weak JK vs. JOAT and Goon

Witness Doctor, Macho RB, Framed Tracker, Vanillaising Vigilante vs. JOAT and RB
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Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2016, 10:07:02 pm »

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Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2016, 05:55:41 pm »

/in but depending on the expected duration (a reference point would be nice).
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2016, 05:56:44 pm »

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Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2016, 06:17:48 pm »

/in but depending on the expected duration (a reference point would be nice).

The time can vary.  These micro setups are definitely the shortest games.  The game will start when it is full, and the last iteration of this setup took 22 days to complete, but it was one of the quicker mafia games because of bad luck on mafia's side.  I would expect this game to take a bit longer, but the maximum time it would take is 36 days.

If you want a game that would start sooner, but might take a little bit longer, I suggest you sign up for this game <- url
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2016, 07:06:56 pm »

/in
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Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2016, 01:25:00 am »

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Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2016, 09:08:15 pm »

/in for literally any form of mafia
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Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2016, 09:09:23 pm »

/in for literally any form of mafia

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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2016, 09:31:20 pm »

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 3 spots left!)
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2016, 05:43:30 pm »

I changed the flavor to olympics, because they are going on right now, and it should be more fun.
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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2016, 05:54:58 pm »

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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2016, 06:10:26 pm »

/out




















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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2016, 06:14:43 pm »

I'd expect the last couple of spots to fill quickly, so get them while they're hot!
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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2016, 06:34:23 pm »

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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2016, 06:42:14 pm »

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« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2016, 10:10:00 am »

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2016, 10:15:43 am »

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Welcome. Make sure to sign the civility pledge!

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Just did it!

My first game, but i'll try to do my best =)
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2016, 10:39:26 am »

I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.

The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right?  Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.

What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?
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« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2016, 10:52:06 am »

I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.

The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right?  Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.

What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?

That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?
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« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2016, 11:29:17 am »

I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.

The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right?  Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.

What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?

That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?

Right now the setup has modified PRs and straight VTs, per the explanation post.  So you roll PRs and modifiers in your secret way, then apply them together to random players.  So say you roll:

JK, Tracker, Vigilante, Doctor, Random, Weak, Miller (that's 7)

You match up three modifiers with three of the four PRs and assign them somehow.

Instead of doing that, what if you allow the modifiers to land on players other than the JK, Tracker, Vigilante, or Doctor?
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2016, 11:50:00 am »

I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.

The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right?  Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.

What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?

That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?

Right now the setup has modified PRs and straight VTs, per the explanation post.  So you roll PRs and modifiers in your secret way, then apply them together to random players.  So say you roll:

JK, Tracker, Vigilante, Doctor, Random, Weak, Miller (that's 7)

You match up three modifiers with three of the four PRs and assign them somehow.

Instead of doing that, what if you allow the modifiers to land on players other than the JK, Tracker, Vigilante, or Doctor?

That fits much better with what I want to do!  Although I may need to change some things up.  Many of the modifiers don't affect VTs, so maybe change the way they are assigned to players?  I'm afraid if I do too much, it just becomes too complicated.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2016, 11:52:58 am »

I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.

The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right?  Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.

What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?

That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?

Right now the setup has modified PRs and straight VTs, per the explanation post.  So you roll PRs and modifiers in your secret way, then apply them together to random players.  So say you roll:

JK, Tracker, Vigilante, Doctor, Random, Weak, Miller (that's 7)

You match up three modifiers with three of the four PRs and assign them somehow.

Instead of doing that, what if you allow the modifiers to land on players other than the JK, Tracker, Vigilante, or Doctor?

That fits much better with what I want to do!  Although I may need to change some things up.  Many of the modifiers don't affect VTs, so maybe change the way they are assigned to players?  I'm afraid if I do too much, it just becomes too complicated.

It's just, some of the modifiers are more interesting if they are on VTs.  Since they are hidden anyway, it can be on VT without an issue.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2016, 12:08:14 pm »

I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.

The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right?  Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.

What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?

That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?

Right now the setup has modified PRs and straight VTs, per the explanation post.  So you roll PRs and modifiers in your secret way, then apply them together to random players.  So say you roll:

JK, Tracker, Vigilante, Doctor, Random, Weak, Miller (that's 7)

You match up three modifiers with three of the four PRs and assign them somehow.

Instead of doing that, what if you allow the modifiers to land on players other than the JK, Tracker, Vigilante, or Doctor?

That fits much better with what I want to do!  Although I may need to change some things up.  Many of the modifiers don't affect VTs, so maybe change the way they are assigned to players?  I'm afraid if I do too much, it just becomes too complicated.

It's just, some of the modifiers are more interesting if they are on VTs.  Since they are hidden anyway, it can be on VT without an issue.

Lets roll some setups and see how it goes.
So we get:
Bodyguard, Ascetic, bodyguard, miller, JK.  Then we roll those among the 7 town and get: ascetic JK, 2 bodyguards and a miller VT.

JK, Random, Doctor, Weak, RB, Loud, Bodyguard, Loud, Watcher.  Loud RB, Random JK, Weak Doctor, Loud VT, Bodyguard, Watcher.

Bodyguard, vanillaising, Doctor, Ascetic.  You get vanillaising VT, bodyguard, Ascetic Doctor.

Those don't seem like unbalanced setups. 
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2016, 01:11:14 pm »

Can someone tell what this all means? :))
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2016, 01:15:16 pm »

Can someone tell what this all means? :))
Don't worry, I don't know either
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2016, 01:27:35 pm »

Can someone tell what this all means? :))
Don't worry, I don't know either
Hey, RR: Something witty.

You're welcome. :P
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2016, 01:28:33 pm »

Can someone tell what this all means? :))

If we told you everything, you might aswell read the wiki.

Some core things: you know mafia kills a person each night. Well town can have roles, too. A town who is also a doctor can protect a player each night, so that if he gets targeted by the kill, he survives. A roleblocker blocks another player from committing an action, which can be good if you hit mafia, bad if you hit e.g. a doctor. A town Cop can target a player at night and learn if he's mafia or town.

So those are power roles. There are lots of them. What they're discussing has to do with power roles and modifications that alter power roles. You'll learn the specifics as you go.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2016, 01:28:42 pm »

Can someone tell what this all means? :))

I wouldn't worry about it.  The stuff we are talking about is just randomizing the roles that will appear in the game.  I want to make a balanced setup so that mafia and town have equal chances of winning, and I also want to make it a fun game for everyone!
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« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2016, 01:29:17 pm »

Can someone tell what this all means? :))
Don't worry, I don't know either
Hey, RR: Something witty.

You're welcome. :P
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2016, 01:30:54 pm »

Can someone tell what this all means? :))

If we told you everything, you might aswell read the wiki.

Some core things: you know mafia kills a person each night. Well town can have roles, too. A town who is also a doctor can protect a player each night, so that if he gets targeted by the kill, he survives. A roleblocker blocks another player from committing an action, which can be good if you hit mafia, bad if you hit e.g. a doctor. A town Cop can target a player at night and learn if he's mafia or town.

So those are power roles. There are lots of them. What they're discussing has to do with power roles and modifications that alter power roles. You'll learn the specifics as you go.

Plus if you are a power role (PR), you will be told what it does, and what you have to do.  Plus, you will have a personal place to ask me any questions you might have after the game begins.  It looks like we are going to have a lot of new players in this game, so I will try to make it as newbie friendly as possible.  I almost even want to change it to a newbie mafia game, seeing as we have 3/8 new players right now.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2016, 02:17:13 pm »

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #42 on: August 16, 2016, 02:17:39 pm »

/hammer
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2016, 02:18:22 pm »

And this is actually a hammer, not like the end of M83 when I screwed up.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2016, 02:19:26 pm »

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #45 on: August 16, 2016, 02:37:30 pm »

And this is actually a hammer, not like the end of M83 when I screwed up.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2016, 03:06:02 pm »

And we are full!  PMs are going out shortly. 

Each PM will just be a link to a topic on Quicktopic (QT).  If you don't already have an account there, you will need to make one.  Please choose your username there so that it matches your username here. 

Please post "/confirm" in your QT when you have read it.  Direct any questions you have to me in the QT
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Full. PMs going out soon!)
« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2016, 03:08:40 pm »

So are we keeping the setup or making it a newbie one?
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Full. PMs going out soon!)
« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2016, 03:11:48 pm »

So are we keeping the setup or making it a newbie one?

Keeping the setup.  I think it is generally fairly newbie friendly. 
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Full. PMs going out soon!)
« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2016, 03:12:48 pm »

Ok PMs are out!

N0 begins now and ends Thursday August 18, 12 pm

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (N0)
« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2016, 03:23:18 pm »

I updated the setup post to make it more newb friendly and to reflect how the roles and modifiers were chosen and applied.  I made all the changes navy.  I suggest you read the setup post again before the game begins.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (N0)
« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2016, 11:37:57 am »

still waiting on some confirms. Please post in your QT or send me a PM so I know you saw your role, so this game can start on time
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #52 on: August 18, 2016, 12:00:00 pm »

All of the sports gathered round.  They were so excited!

"People will actually watch us again!" said Rowing.

"I can already feel the excitement of people saying my name for the next couple of weeks!" exclaimed Beach Volleyball.

"Think of all of the publicity our sports are going to get!" said Gymnastics.

Badminton, Diving, and Swimming all oooohed.

All of the Olympic Sports were waiting in anticipation of the games.  They knew that it may be difficult to fill seats, or that there weren't going to be as many people at the games due to the current political atmosphere, but they relished these days.  These were the 16 days that they were the stars.  For the 1444 days between olympic games, Basketball, Soccer, and Football seemed to be the stars.  They got all the attention on SportsCenter.  But for these 16 days, no one would care about Basketball or Soccer, and hey Football isn't even a sport for the next 16 days!  Who cares about Football during the Olympics!

Just as they were all content, Fencing, Cycling, and Trampoline ran into the room. 

"Guys I'm afraid to cut the party short, but we have some intruders in our midst.  It seems like some "Real Sports" have infiltrated us.  They want to turn the attention back to themselves.  They don't even want to let us have 16 days of glory!  We need to find them, and eliminate them.  We have the power now, but if we wait too long, we will be overrun by those awful, attention-hogging sports."

"Let's get a move on"


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Vote Count 1.0

Not Voting (9): silverspawn, Calamitas, Seprix, Roadrunner7671, iguanaiguana, mail-mi, SpaceAnemone, LaLight, Joseph2302


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (N0)
« Reply #53 on: August 18, 2016, 12:02:48 pm »

Hi everyone!
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (N0)
« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2016, 12:03:23 pm »

Greetings.

I am a towny vanilla town-aligned vanillizing townish townie. You all should do as I say.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (N0)
« Reply #55 on: August 18, 2016, 12:04:08 pm »

Vote: silverspawn for creepy tones
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (N0)
« Reply #56 on: August 18, 2016, 12:07:18 pm »

Hi Everyone!

vote: iguana

Wagons!!!

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (N0)
« Reply #57 on: August 18, 2016, 12:07:57 pm »

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #58 on: August 18, 2016, 12:10:21 pm »

I love the set-up for this game. The evil Football and Soccer conspire to take down the Olympics.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #59 on: August 18, 2016, 12:12:51 pm »

I'm British, so Soccer is just a weird other name for Football anyway...
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (N0)
« Reply #60 on: August 18, 2016, 12:17:45 pm »

Greetings.

I am a towny vanilla town-aligned vanillizing townish townie. You all should do as I say.


vote: Silverspawn
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #61 on: August 18, 2016, 12:32:00 pm »

So far, everything is going according to plan.
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« Reply #62 on: August 18, 2016, 12:44:10 pm »

Hi Everyone!

vote: iguana

Wagons!!!

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Yes!

vote: SpaceAnemone
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #63 on: August 18, 2016, 12:45:12 pm »

So far, everything is going according to plan.

Barring you being a Jester, I don't see how getting tons of votes helps, as town or scum.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #64 on: August 18, 2016, 12:48:02 pm »

The stuff you don't see could fill about 99,999999999% of the world.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #65 on: August 18, 2016, 01:01:47 pm »

LurkLurkLurk

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« Reply #66 on: August 18, 2016, 01:02:48 pm »

Hi Everyone!

vote: iguana

Wagons!!!

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Usually I do this when at least one other person is already voting for the person, but don't worry  8) is  8)
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #67 on: August 18, 2016, 01:04:05 pm »

I'm Trampoline btw.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #68 on: August 18, 2016, 01:13:37 pm »

Man, I don't like this new trend of looking scummy on purpose as the new town norm.
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« Reply #69 on: August 18, 2016, 01:21:38 pm »

You tell me the scum narrative for anything I've said and I'll agree that it's scummy.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #70 on: August 18, 2016, 01:24:00 pm »

Hi.

I'm scum again.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #71 on: August 18, 2016, 01:28:09 pm »

vote: Joseph

I order two of you to do the same.



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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #72 on: August 18, 2016, 01:37:19 pm »

I guess reads are going out the window.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #73 on: August 18, 2016, 01:58:22 pm »

I'm Trampoline btw.

Do we want to claim? Is there anything, good or bad, that can actually come of it?
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #74 on: August 18, 2016, 02:18:19 pm »

I'm Trampoline btw.

Do we want to claim? Is there anything, good or bad, that can actually come of it?

That gives scum information. I am against it, at least for D1.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #75 on: August 18, 2016, 02:23:06 pm »

Vote: Joseph

Either you don't think highly of yourself at all or you claimed Mafia.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #76 on: August 18, 2016, 03:12:01 pm »

Hi everyone!

I'm starting to suspect every one of you, is it intended?

I'm town btw and don't want to vote.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #77 on: August 18, 2016, 03:20:25 pm »

Hi everyone!

I'm starting to suspect every one of you, is it intended?

I'm town btw and don't want to vote.
I'll look after you.. From my swimming pool
We're only voting in this thing called random voting stage. We vote for people to get leads and try and see how they react. Without this stage, the game wouldn't progress.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #78 on: August 18, 2016, 03:21:03 pm »

Hi everyone!

I'm starting to suspect every one of you, is it intended?

I'm town btw and don't want to vote.
I'll look after you.. From my swimming pool


You have two options

1) you vote for Joseph now

2) I will go back in time, make it so you drew scum (if you didn't do it already) and tunnel you restlessly until you are accurately lynched.
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« Reply #79 on: August 18, 2016, 03:22:31 pm »

Hi everyone!

I'm starting to suspect every one of you, is it intended?

I'm town btw and don't want to vote.
I'll look after you.. From my swimming pool
We're only voting in this thing called random voting stage. We vote for people to get leads and try and see how they react. Without this stage, the game wouldn't progress.

Do not listen to RR; he is lying. Only the weak take part in RVS.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #80 on: August 18, 2016, 03:24:51 pm »

Silverspawn, seriously what are you doing? I read the setup a while ago and I comoddes in a beta version of this game and I don't think anything you're saying makes sense ir can happen. But the bold, colored font might be the weirdest part
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« Reply #81 on: August 18, 2016, 03:30:02 pm »

Silverspawn, seriously what are you doing? I read the setup a while ago and I comoddes in a beta version of this game and I don't think anything you're saying makes sense ir can happen. But the bold, colored font might be the weirdest part

Oh, glad it's not just me feeling confused. Is Silver trying to be a gold Olympic medal? It's quite a weird colour choice...
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #82 on: August 18, 2016, 03:31:31 pm »

Ok, i'll believe Silverspawn.

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« Reply #83 on: August 18, 2016, 03:32:44 pm »

Oh, i thought he said about rvs. but what's done is done
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #84 on: August 18, 2016, 03:33:51 pm »

Silverspawn, seriously what are you doing? I read the setup a while ago and I comoddes in a beta version of this game and I don't think anything you're saying makes sense ir can happen. But the bold, colored font might be the weirdest part

Oh, glad it's not just me feeling confused. Is Silver trying to be a gold Olympic medal? It's quite a weird colour choice...
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #85 on: August 18, 2016, 03:34:27 pm »

Ok, i'll believe Silverspawn.

Vote: Silverspawn
If you want to vote you have to use bolding.

Like this: Vote: PlayerName
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #86 on: August 18, 2016, 03:38:16 pm »

He's trying to scare and confuse the new players, but it's only affecting me

Good, good.

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #87 on: August 18, 2016, 03:50:54 pm »

I'd like to point out that lurking, which means not posting, is anti town, which means bad. Post more.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #88 on: August 18, 2016, 03:57:20 pm »

it's hard to use bolding form the phone.

I'll try

Vote: Silverspawn

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #89 on: August 18, 2016, 04:07:02 pm »

I'm Trampoline btw.

Do we want to claim? Is there anything, good or bad, that can actually come of it?

That gives scum information. I am against it, at least for D1.

Seprix, if you didn't say annoyingly black and white things like this all the time, we wouldn't lynch you so much.

Claiming flavor in a silly olympic-sport themed mafia game where mafia were almost certainly all given fake claims and flavor was almost certainly randomly distributed is totally harmless and perfectly pointless.

2 + 2 = 4! Oh no, don't say that!!!! That gives scum information!!!!!!
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #90 on: August 18, 2016, 04:08:58 pm »

Anyway, Vote: Joseph

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #91 on: August 18, 2016, 04:15:23 pm »

I wonder if Silverspawn is the Gold medal.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #92 on: August 18, 2016, 04:19:16 pm »

I wonder if Silverspawn is the Gold medal.

Pretty sure the roles are Rowing, Beach Volleyball, Gymnastics, Badminton, Diving, Swimming, Fencing, Cycling, and Trampoline

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #93 on: August 18, 2016, 04:22:18 pm »

I wonder if Silverspawn is the Gold medal.

Heh, there's an echo in here!
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #94 on: August 18, 2016, 05:28:15 pm »

Testing to see if I can out-gold Silver...

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #95 on: August 18, 2016, 07:08:33 pm »

it's hard to use bolding form the phone.

I'll try

Vote: Silverspawn

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No problem! I sort of know you so I'll help you out. But bolding isn't that hard from a phone! Or at least not if you press the button
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #96 on: August 18, 2016, 07:09:28 pm »

He's trying to scare and confuse the new players, but it's only affecting me

Good, good.

I will send someone over to brush your toes.

What does that even mean?!
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #97 on: August 18, 2016, 07:10:04 pm »

Anyway, Vote: Joseph

He's scum this game. He said so himself.
I think it's a null tell but that is annoying to me. I thought he'd stop after he got burned for it
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #98 on: August 18, 2016, 07:11:59 pm »

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #99 on: August 18, 2016, 07:12:56 pm »

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #100 on: August 18, 2016, 07:29:13 pm »

I played a game of Mafia IRL where in the start everyone was forced to tell the phrase "I am not mafia" one after another. Twas so boring that I said "I am mafia" and got lynched D1 (i was townie). So maybe Jospeh just tries to give us some diversity?

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #101 on: August 18, 2016, 07:31:32 pm »

btw where can i find descriptions of all the roles? And am i correct that there can be any variety of roles? such as all the townies may be just townies, or PRs or else?
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #102 on: August 18, 2016, 07:36:40 pm »

btw where can i find descriptions of all the roles? And am i correct that there can be any variety of roles? such as all the townies may be just townies, or PRs or else?
I can't help you there. Reading the setup might be helpful?
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #103 on: August 18, 2016, 07:52:39 pm »

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #104 on: August 18, 2016, 07:59:47 pm »

btw where can i find descriptions of all the roles? And am i correct that there can be any variety of roles? such as all the townies may be just townies, or PRs or else?

I would look at mafiascum

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #105 on: August 18, 2016, 08:05:46 pm »

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas
Either I'm dumb or it's not really bad meaning it's super obvious.

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #106 on: August 18, 2016, 08:07:52 pm »

Using angle brackets like so: <b>

That is done with QuikTopic, i.e. when scum NKs someone or uses a PR.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #107 on: August 18, 2016, 08:09:46 pm »

Not to mention Calimitas is trying really hard to push a case where there is one. Look at this:

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

That's not quite true, at all. All of those posts are obviously RVS to a fault.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #108 on: August 18, 2016, 08:10:47 pm »

Using angle brackets like so: <b>

That is done with QuikTopic, i.e. when scum NKs someone or uses a PR.
I thought we decided that was sort of scummy but not a slip? If Calamitas has never played Mafia before it might be worth looking into. But don't get my hopes up like that  >:(
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #109 on: August 18, 2016, 08:11:16 pm »

Nobody decided anything, RR.
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« Reply #110 on: August 18, 2016, 08:25:26 pm »

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Who are you and have you played mafia before?

I don't think you signed our pledge (link), did you?
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #111 on: August 18, 2016, 08:41:31 pm »

Vote: Calamitas

Using angle brackets like so: <b>

That is done with QuikTopic, i.e. when scum NKs someone or uses a PR.
I thought we decided that was sort of scummy but not a slip? If Calamitas has never played Mafia before it might be worth looking into. But don't get my hopes up like that  >:(

Good enough for an early day 1 vote.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #112 on: August 18, 2016, 09:50:51 pm »

Nobody decided anything, RR.
Hold on, let me find out if Calamitas is new
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« Reply #113 on: August 18, 2016, 09:52:52 pm »

I think he's new but I want him/her to tell me if possible. I couldn't find conclusive data
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« Reply #114 on: August 18, 2016, 10:31:58 pm »

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.
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« Reply #115 on: August 18, 2016, 10:47:57 pm »

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.

Haha, it's not an awful play. And this is coming from someone who claimed instantly D1.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #116 on: August 18, 2016, 11:06:37 pm »

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #117 on: August 19, 2016, 01:18:46 am »

Just a reminder:
Angle brackets are primarly jused as tags within HTML for just thise purpose (and dozens other purposes) ;)

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #118 on: August 19, 2016, 03:39:07 am »

Okay, not to offend anyone, but silverspawn is the only veteran here. No 2.7, no Awaclus, no Yuma, no people like Jan from othet sites, no ashersky, no Faust, no problem

Actually mail-mi might be. But I can't determine that D1.


So this means that we (meaning everyone minus ss and maybe mail-mi) need to step up our games! Stuff won't get done unless we make it happen! We gotta be active, guys! We gotta chat! Small games are really bad about slowing down, and I don't want that to happen after my short Mafia break!
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #119 on: August 19, 2016, 03:41:17 am »

Summary of notable events in no particular order:

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Joseph: Claimed scum

Seprix: Tried to frame a newbie for a scumslip even though it was pretty obviously not after some simple analysis.

I think that's all I remember. And if I didn't remember it, I guess it wasn't that notable ;)
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #120 on: August 19, 2016, 03:50:23 am »

blblpfsdofp . fine.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #121 on: August 19, 2016, 03:51:56 am »

Current reads

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #122 on: August 19, 2016, 03:53:03 am »

so RR, what do you think about the scum slip?

Seprix, does igu's aggression make him scum or town?
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #123 on: August 19, 2016, 05:07:18 am »

I think he's new but I want him/her to tell me if possible. I couldn't find conclusive data
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #124 on: August 19, 2016, 06:13:30 am »

Vote: Calamitas

Agree with silver. Town on LaLight.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #125 on: August 19, 2016, 06:39:43 am »

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #126 on: August 19, 2016, 06:42:28 am »

Vote: Calamitas

Agree with silver. Town on LaLight.

Wow, this is actual wagons already, isn't it?

Nobody's commenting on the lack of the word "vote" in Calamitas' "scum-tell" post. Does it mean anything to those of you who're more experienced?

To me it's just an obvious omission, and makes the overall post look more hasty than anything else. I agree that angle brackets themselves aren't a big deal -- I've written a lot of html in my time, so I would naturally default to angle brackets for markup too.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #127 on: August 19, 2016, 07:03:34 am »

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.

People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #128 on: August 19, 2016, 07:54:37 am »

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.

People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #129 on: August 19, 2016, 08:00:35 am »

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.

People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?

I believe Roadrunner still considers himself to be a newbie, and only has a high enough opinion of a select few players to call them veterans. This kind of a comment from him is probably not a scum tell.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #130 on: August 19, 2016, 11:56:41 am »

Vote Count 1.1


silverspawn (1): LaLight
iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone
Joseph2302 (2): RR, Calamitas
Calamitas (3): Seprix, silverspawn, iguanaiguana

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #131 on: August 19, 2016, 12:00:41 pm »

Okay, not to offend anyone, but silverspawn is the only veteran here. No 2.7, no Awaclus, no Yuma, no people like Jan from othet sites, no ashersky, no Faust, no problem

Actually mail-mi might be. But I can't determine that D1.


So this means that we (meaning everyone minus ss and maybe mail-mi) need to step up our games! Stuff won't get done unless we make it happen! We gotta be active, guys! We gotta chat! Small games are really bad about slowing down, and I don't want that to happen after my short Mafia break!
I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.

But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #132 on: August 19, 2016, 12:12:30 pm »

I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.

But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.

Don't you find that erratic play makes people generally more suspicious of you? Why do people tend to want to keep you alive?
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #133 on: August 19, 2016, 12:53:09 pm »

I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.

But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.

Don't you find that erratic play makes people generally more suspicious of you? Why do people tend to want to keep you alive?
I kept getting killed early initially, but now scum like to keep me alive, as I seem like an easy mislynch target.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #134 on: August 19, 2016, 12:53:34 pm »

Also, I'm busy pretty solidly until Sunday, so limited posting for me on this.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #135 on: August 19, 2016, 12:58:17 pm »

I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.

But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.

Don't you find that erratic play makes people generally more suspicious of you? Why do people tend to want to keep you alive?
I kept getting killed early initially, but now scum like to keep me alive, as I seem like an easy mislynch target.
Makes sense, but why would you make your strategy public? Isn't that nullifying the original effect?
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #136 on: August 19, 2016, 01:29:12 pm »

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.

People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?

Ya. I'm older than ss. I just took a BIG break for school tho.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #137 on: August 19, 2016, 01:31:23 pm »

wait, you're a vet? I retreat my townread. I thought you were new.

Mh, actually I should have known better. You were the IC in my first game I believe.

Are you the player who said he doesn't want to put too much effort into the game because he plays it for fun, and it shouldn't feel like work? Or am I confusing something?
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #138 on: August 19, 2016, 01:32:02 pm »

so RR, what do you think about the scum slip?

Seprix, does igu's aggression make him scum or town?
I can answer these.

After iguana's post and Calamitas' explanation, it seems more like an innocent mistake. Doesn't make him towns, tho.

I think iguana seems more like frustrated town than scum.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #139 on: August 19, 2016, 01:32:25 pm »

wait, you're a vet? I retreat my townread. I thought you were new.

Mh, actually I should have known better. You were the IC in my first game I believe.

Are you the player who said he doesn't want to put too much effort into the game because he plays it for fun, and it shouldn't feel like work? Or am I confusing something?

Yep. That's me.  ;)
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #140 on: August 19, 2016, 01:33:26 pm »

Okay, not to offend anyone, but silverspawn is the only veteran here. No 2.7, no Awaclus, no Yuma, no people like Jan from othet sites, no ashersky, no Faust, no problem

I'm a veteran. Being a veteran doesn't mean you're any good; it simply means you've played for awhile.

so RR, what do you think about the scum slip?

Seprix, does igu's aggression make him scum or town?

It's his Awaclus impression that he loves doing. He's stopped trying as of late. Usually Iguana doesn't try until later, but that might be more reflective on his home life and being busy than town/scum dichotomy. I don't know. I'd give a slight scum read on his aggression, since solvy Iguana comes with information, and scum has all the information D1.

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Don't think like this. It is very dangerous. Silverspawn is a double-edged sword. Firstly, he can easily be scum and look town. He's done it before, and he's had a nice long string of scum games whilst looking like a leader and towny to prove my point. Secondly, if he is town, he's going to die real fast, and then bye-bye leadership. Simply formulate your own play. Don't rely on others.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #141 on: August 19, 2016, 01:59:25 pm »

I don't think there's a consensus on what 'leader' means, so... the only scenario where it's okay or even correct to blindly sheep someone is if they are confirmed town.

since I am town here, you can still sheep me, though. It will be bad play in theory, but turned out to have been good in retrospect.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #142 on: August 19, 2016, 02:00:02 pm »

that was future past. and I didn't even use the right grammar.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #143 on: August 20, 2016, 02:25:16 am »

I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.

But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.

Don't you find that erratic play makes people generally more suspicious of you? Why do people tend to want to keep you alive?
I kept getting killed early initially, but now scum like to keep me alive, as I seem like an easy mislynch target.
Makes sense, but why would you make your strategy public? Isn't that nullifying the original effect?
This is a concept called Wine in Front of Me (or WIFOM), a reference from the Princess Bride
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #144 on: August 20, 2016, 02:31:54 am »

Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.

LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.

RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"

But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #145 on: August 20, 2016, 02:33:55 am »

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.

People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?

I believe Roadrunner still considers himself to be a newbie, and only has a high enough opinion of a select few players to call them veterans. This kind of a comment from him is probably not a scum tell.
Come on.

Let's look at the players
LaLight: I know he's a newb
Roadrunner: I'm definitely not a veteran by any stretch!
Iguana iguana: I havr a high opinion, I just don't consider you a veteran
Mail-Mi: I didn't know
Silver spawn: He's a vetetan by my definition
Calamitas: He's a newb too
Space: See Calamitas and LaLight
Seprix: Maybe I'd call him a veteran if he didn't play so much like me. I still have a high opinion of him though
Joseph: See Seprix
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #146 on: August 20, 2016, 02:35:01 am »

Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.

LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.

RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"

But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix
I didn't say he was supposed to be a leader. I said that he needed to stop being mysterious and using bold, colored fonts. I do not think anyone should sheep silverspawn just because he's a veteran
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #147 on: August 20, 2016, 02:38:55 am »

Hi.

I'm scum again.
I still don't like this.

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #148 on: August 20, 2016, 02:41:49 am »

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Uh, yes you did.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #149 on: August 20, 2016, 02:42:26 am »

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Uh, yes you did.

This was in response to 146, btw
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #150 on: August 20, 2016, 02:46:03 am »

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Uh, yes you did.
A leader. Not the leader
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #151 on: August 20, 2016, 03:45:50 am »

why do we even need a leader? For now I see that RR makes sense and sums up everything everybody say. It looks good, it gives info to newbies. Leader? Why? How can we know for certainty leader is not scum?
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #152 on: August 20, 2016, 04:43:31 am »

why do we even need a leader? For now I see that RR makes sense

That's interesting, because I don't see that at all.

You're contradicting yourself, too. RR is the only one spouting the leader talk. You disagree, yet you say he makes sense.

Also clearly I'm not the only vet since mail-mi has been around in my first game and before.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #153 on: August 20, 2016, 04:49:08 am »

Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #154 on: August 20, 2016, 04:50:12 am »

Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
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« Reply #155 on: August 20, 2016, 06:27:56 am »

Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
IMO maybe slightly
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.
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« Reply #156 on: August 20, 2016, 06:29:19 am »

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #157 on: August 20, 2016, 10:01:13 am »

Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.

LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.

RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"

But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix

I'm going to have to ask you to back up your claims.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #158 on: August 20, 2016, 10:32:43 am »

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #159 on: August 20, 2016, 10:34:57 am »

It's his Awaclus impression that he loves doing. He's stopped trying as of late. Usually Iguana doesn't try until later, but that might be more reflective on his home life and being busy than town/scum dichotomy. I don't know. I'd give a slight scum read on his aggression, since solvy Iguana comes with information, and scum has all the information D1.

This reads like you once read about Iguana Iguana in a textbook and are trying really hard to recite the definition.

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« Reply #160 on: August 20, 2016, 10:36:24 am »

why do we even need a leader? For now I see that RR makes sense and sums up everything everybody say. It looks good, it gives info to newbies. Leader? Why? How can we know for certainty leader is not scum?

We can't. The only reason to sheep (follow) someone is if you are convinced they are town and they are correct.
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« Reply #161 on: August 20, 2016, 10:37:10 am »

Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
IMO maybe slightly
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.

Seprix has done things like this so many times as town that I absolutely refuse to scumread him for it this early in the game.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #162 on: August 20, 2016, 10:54:21 am »

Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
IMO maybe slightly
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.

Seprix has done things like this so many times as town that I absolutely refuse to scumread him for it this early in the game.
Okay, thats fine. I don't have knowledge about previous behaviour, so I cannot take that into account for my reasoning.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #163 on: August 20, 2016, 11:04:09 am »

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How would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...

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My intention was getting an experienced player to comment on that action by Jospeh. I didn't know to much about his previous behavior (excpexcept him pulling that off at least once) and therefore couldn't estimate it. If he's really doing it every time it's obvious that it is irrelevant.
And attention wasn't that time on me, the discussion of my "scumslip" has ended slightly before that comment.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #164 on: August 20, 2016, 11:45:03 am »

I'm not liking the Calamitas wagon just now, especially with the number of experienced players on it. Iguana, you joined last, apparently just following Silver, who didn't really post any particular arguments. What's your personal reasoning? I'm kind of feeling like my random vote might not be in a terrible place after all...

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #165 on: August 20, 2016, 12:43:30 pm »

I've already stated my reasons.
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« Reply #166 on: August 20, 2016, 12:45:09 pm »

Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
IMO maybe slightly
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.

Seprix has done things like this so many times as town that I absolutely refuse to scumread him for it this early in the game.
Okay, thats fine. I don't have knowledge about previous behaviour, so I cannot take that into account for my reasoning.

I don't fault you for your read on Seprix but these kinds of misunderstandings need to be cleared up or we will just end up lynching him and if we lynch him I'd like it to be because he's scum and not because he's Seprix.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #167 on: August 20, 2016, 12:47:36 pm »

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My intention was getting an experienced player to comment on that action by Jospeh. I didn't know to much about his previous behavior (excpexcept him pulling that off at least once) and therefore couldn't estimate it. If he's really doing it every time it's obvious that it is irrelevant.
And attention wasn't that time on me, the discussion of my "scumslip" has ended slightly before that comment.

What concerns me about your post is that you respond to a vote on you by casting shade on another player. Attention is certainly on you; you are the only player with multiple votes.

At any rate, Joseph has claimed scum at least in the last three games as his opening. In the first game, he was town. In the second game, he was scum. Then this one. Lots of discussion around in his scum claim in both of those recent games, which didn't really amount to much. I don't like his claiming scum. It gives scum an easy thing to hide behind and talk about without looking suspicious, but hey, I can't control what he says.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #168 on: August 20, 2016, 12:48:32 pm »

I'm not liking the Calamitas wagon just now, especially with the number of experienced players on it. Iguana, you joined last, apparently just following Silver, who didn't really post any particular arguments. What's your personal reasoning? I'm kind of feeling like my random vote might not be in a terrible place after all...

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« Reply #169 on: August 20, 2016, 02:30:03 pm »

Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
IMO maybe slightly
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.

Seprix has done things like this so many times as town that I absolutely refuse to scumread him for it this early in the game.

How can I improve my play then? It's not like I 'try' to play bad, and I want to be proactive.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #170 on: August 20, 2016, 02:49:23 pm »

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.
Vote: Iguanaiguana

Soon after making this post, you voted for Calamitas. Being flippity floppity is scummy
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #171 on: August 20, 2016, 05:18:11 pm »

Please do keep your vote on the only active player in the game. That seems productive and not scummy at all!

I'm keeping it there because one vote on you isn't doing a lot of harm, other than signalling my mild suspicion now I've said I'm purposefully leaving it after RVS seems to have petered out. Your original reason for voting Calamitas was stated in post #124 as "Agree with Silver". Since then your full argument against him, as far as I can see, is the scummy read you mention in #158. Compare that to #165 where you say you've already stated your reasons, and I feel like it's not really all that strong a case.

FWIW, my opinion on Calamitas at present is that they're a newbie who's flustered by a rather severe reaction to the angle bracket thing, and may be defensive but that doesn't mean much. Unless we've got a scumteam of Calamitas and LaLight, scum!Calamitas would have a more experienced player telling them how to handle things, wouldn't they?

I feel like Seprix is playing as an antagonistic frustrated towny, which seems to be exactly his meta. RR isn't someone I could get a read on in any of the other games I've been through. Silver feels too oddball here to be seriously scum, but I may be made to eat my words if I don't hedge on that a bit...
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #172 on: August 20, 2016, 06:27:42 pm »

Catching up tomorrow
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #173 on: August 21, 2016, 06:57:40 am »

why do we even need a leader? For now I see that RR makes sense

That's interesting, because I don't see that at all.

You're contradicting yourself, too. RR is the only one spouting the leader talk. You disagree, yet you say he makes sense.

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« Reply #174 on: August 21, 2016, 06:59:15 am »

And nothing notable seems to have actually happened- that was a short reread.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #175 on: August 21, 2016, 07:22:14 am »

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.
Vote: Iguanaiguana

Soon after making this post, you voted for Calamitas. Being flippity floppity is scummy
What I find suspicious is not changing his mind but changing his mind without any proper reason. He claimed to agree with silver, even though silver didn't deliver arguments and rated me as "slightly scummy" because of the argument he harshly rejected before.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #176 on: August 21, 2016, 07:23:12 am »

so, out of the mouths of babes and newbies (me):

I do think Calamitas and SpaceAnemone are scummy after reading people's thoughts. But I'll leave my vote on Silverspawn, because I didn't see anything that might convince me he's innocent.

If we are talking about people who IMO makes sence, that's Iguana and RR. I don't see them scummy at all. Can't say anything about Seprix yet. More like townie i suppose. 
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #177 on: August 21, 2016, 10:51:47 am »

I do think Calamitas and SpaceAnemone are scummy after reading people's thoughts. But I'll leave my vote on Silverspawn, because I didn't see anything that might convince me he's innocent.

I can see I'm in serious trouble.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #178 on: August 21, 2016, 02:01:24 pm »

I do think Calamitas and SpaceAnemone are scummy after reading people's thoughts. But I'll leave my vote on Silverspawn, because I didn't see anything that might convince me he's innocent.

I can see I'm in serious trouble.

Well that bought you 24 more hours in which you can avoid engaging with any of the actual arguments ;-)

Seriously, though, what do you think of Iguana's play so far this game? He's now got me and RR voting for him, with Calamitas also at least using the word "suspicious".





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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #179 on: August 21, 2016, 02:02:49 pm »

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.
Vote: Iguanaiguana

Soon after making this post, you voted for Calamitas. Being flippity floppity is scummy
What I find suspicious is not changing his mind but changing his mind without any proper reason. He claimed to agree with silver, even though silver didn't deliver arguments and rated me as "slightly scummy" because of the argument he harshly rejected before.
Yeah that's sort of what I meant. But he also seems unsure which is a thing called 'hedging,' and that's definitely scummy.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #180 on: August 21, 2016, 02:08:19 pm »

I do think Calamitas and SpaceAnemone are scummy after reading people's thoughts. But I'll leave my vote on Silverspawn, because I didn't see anything that might convince me he's innocent.

I can see I'm in serious trouble.

Well that bought you 24 more hours in which you can avoid engaging with any of the actual arguments ;-)

Seriously, though, what do you think of Iguana's play so far this game? He's now got me and RR voting for him, with Calamitas also at least using the word "suspicious".

I can neither confirm nor deny that I find igu scummy. If I say that I find him scummy, he'll get mad at me and we'll have a lot of unproductive drama. If I say that I don't find him scummy, that might or might not be true.

I liked that things were happening. They should continue to happen.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #181 on: August 21, 2016, 02:11:38 pm »

Seprix, I'd like to engage more with you too, since you seem like town (for the moment!). Any re-read on Igu that you could offer will probably just smack of OMGUS, though.

Do you have any town-ish reads on anyone, especially amongst the other experienced people?
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #182 on: August 21, 2016, 02:24:15 pm »

I've already stated my reasons.

Vote: Calamitas

Agree with silver. Town on LaLight.

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How would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...

This comments feels scummy. Joseph has claimed scum over 3 or 4 times in a row now. It's just how he starts his games. But something feels off about how Calamitas is drawing attention to it here. It's like he's (rather overtly) trying to draw attention away from himself and onto someone else that he feels might be easy to lynch. The tone also feels a bit forced.

By scanning through iguanas post I noticed that the only reason he "stated" was based on a quote that appeared later than his vote. Therefore the stated reason cannot by the real reason for his vote what is really suspicious.

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #183 on: August 21, 2016, 02:29:56 pm »

I can neither confirm nor deny that I find igu scummy. If I say that I find him scummy, he'll get mad at me and we'll have a lot of unproductive drama. If I say that I don't find him scummy, that might or might not be true.

I liked that things were happening. They should continue to happen.

You know, RR already effectively told you to grow up once already :-)

I'm trying to make stuff happen. You're not exactly reciprocating!
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #184 on: August 21, 2016, 02:40:17 pm »

I can neither confirm nor deny that I find igu scummy. If I say that I find him scummy, he'll get mad at me and we'll have a lot of unproductive drama. If I say that I don't find him scummy, that might or might not be true.

I liked that things were happening. They should continue to happen.

You know, RR already effectively told you to grow up once already :-)

I'm trying to make stuff happen. You're not exactly reciprocating!
After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around. But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same  :'(

I originally thought he was drunk posting when he had his colored font. But I guess not.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #185 on: August 21, 2016, 03:05:22 pm »

After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.

Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.

But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same  :'(

Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #186 on: August 21, 2016, 03:11:16 pm »

After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.

Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.

But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same  :'(

Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...
Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #187 on: August 21, 2016, 03:12:20 pm »

After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.

Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.

But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same  :'(

Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...
Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.
When I've played Werewolves the wincon has been 'the town wins' or 'the werewolves win.' Survival is not key.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #188 on: August 21, 2016, 03:14:23 pm »

After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.

Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.

But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same  :'(

Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...
Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.
When I've played Werewolves the wincon has been 'the town wins' or 'the werewolves win.' Survival is not key.
Exactly.

But back to the topic, what do you think about LaLight and Seprix? Can't estimate them at all right now.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #189 on: August 21, 2016, 03:20:49 pm »

After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.

Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.

But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same  :'(

Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...
Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.
When I've played Werewolves the wincon has been 'the town wins' or 'the werewolves win.' Survival is not key.
Exactly.

But back to the topic, what do you think about LaLight and Seprix? Can't estimate them at all right now.
I've been playing Codenames with LaLight, he seems to be slightly flustered/overwhelmed town. Seprix is pretty null, trying to turn your 'slip' into a thing is either a towny blunder or a scummy thing, I'm not sure which yet.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #190 on: August 21, 2016, 03:26:30 pm »

Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.

We never got to know the role or alignment of dead characters, so wolves could claim to be seers or whatever if they were reasonably confident the real one was dead. There were quite a few other game mechanic differences, but it all balanced well, and was a really enjoyable game. That's why, when Haddock started telling me about his online mafia exploits, I was keen to take a look... so here I am.

Aaaaanyway, back to the present! My read on you feels very high-variance... just because I dislike so many of the oldies jumping on your wagon doesn't mean I'm not watching you too. Your post in #175 is essentially a re-wording of my suspicion in #171, but without acknowledging me at all. OTOH, LaLight seems to be tarring the two of us with almost the same brush in #176, and I know where I'm coming from at least!

Ooops... some PPEs to address too maybe.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #191 on: August 21, 2016, 06:41:55 pm »

I've been playing Codenames with LaLight, he seems to be slightly flustered/overwhelmed town.

I'm not familiar with Codenames. Does it give you any insight into his character or play beyond what the rest of us can observe in the thread here?
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #192 on: August 21, 2016, 06:47:00 pm »

I've been playing Codenames with LaLight, he seems to be slightly flustered/overwhelmed town.

I'm not familiar with Codenames. Does it give you any insight into his character or play beyond what the rest of us can observe in the thread here?
Well he's not a native English speaker (but a lot of people aren't) but I'd say he's a pretty bright guy. I doubt he'd scumslip as scum.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #193 on: August 21, 2016, 06:54:06 pm »

Vote Count 1.2


silverspawn (1): LaLight
iguanaiguana (3): SpaceAnemone, RoadRunner7671, Calamitas
Calamitas (3): Seprix, silverspawn, iguanaiguana
Seprix (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (2): Joseph2302


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #194 on: August 21, 2016, 07:04:44 pm »

Well he's not a native English speaker (but a lot of people aren't) but I'd say he's a pretty bright guy. I doubt he'd scumslip as scum.

I'd picked up on that, but I don't think it's something that will cause issues. Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?

I think most people around here are pretty bright, but scumslips seem to happen anyway :-) Now that Haddock's game is starting too, perhaps we'll get lucky and have some extra-confused scum!

If only most people around here were bright and chatty...
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #195 on: August 21, 2016, 07:18:17 pm »

Well he's not a native English speaker (but a lot of people aren't) but I'd say he's a pretty bright guy. I doubt he'd scumslip as scum.

I'd picked up on that, but I don't think it's something that will cause issues. Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?

I think most people around here are pretty bright, but scumslips seem to happen anyway :-) Now that Haddock's game is starting too, perhaps we'll get lucky and have some extra-confused scum!

If only most people around here were bright and chatty...
I am not a native-speaker as well but it shouldn't cause any trouble.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #196 on: August 21, 2016, 08:10:06 pm »

My thoughts so far this game on Calamitas as they developed: 

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

I found the content of this post to be a scummy entrance. The language is very strong for an entrance post commenting on RVS and I continue to feel that the tone is off. It reads to me like someone trying to make up guesses on things where he already knows the answers.

When I read the statement, three people had already voted for Calamitas, two of them for the bolding mistake. If I had voted him at this point, it would have put him at L-1. That seemed like a dangerous place to put anyone so early in the game, so I refrained from voting or from even commenting on the scummy nature of the post at the time.


Vote: Jospeh

He fixes the bolding mistake, but still has a typo. Whoever this person is, he's not being very careful and is rushing out these posts. Slight town overall, as town tends to be more careful than scum, but more meta would be helpful here.

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How would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...

I already commented on how I found this post scummy. silverspawn votes for him, and he responds by asking silverspawn what he thinks of Joseph and ignoring the vote on him. It felt off. This post, plus the fact that people were moving their votes off of Calamitas for the bolding mistake issue, made me feel comfortable enough placing my vote on him. My thinking: no risk of an undue early end of day from a derphammer, so may as well put my vote on the scummiest player.

That people found it strange for me to vote for a player I had just defended is understandable. My explanation is that I was not defending Calamitas. I was only pointing out that his bolding mistake was not a good reason to vote for him.

Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
IMO maybe slightly
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.

Scummy post. Hedging and calling a player scummy but not enough to vote for is a scummy stance to take.

I've already stated my reasons.

Vote: Calamitas

Agree with silver. Town on LaLight.

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How would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...

This comments feels scummy. Joseph has claimed scum over 3 or 4 times in a row now. It's just how he starts his games. But something feels off about how Calamitas is drawing attention to it here. It's like he's (rather overtly) trying to draw attention away from himself and onto someone else that he feels might be easy to lynch. The tone also feels a bit forced.

By scanning through iguanas post I noticed that the only reason he "stated" was based on a quote that appeared later than his vote. Therefore the stated reason cannot by the real reason for his vote what is really suspicious.

vote: iguana

Not sure if this is a deliberate misunderstanding or just Calamitas being wrong, but he's misrepresenting me here. I'd already given a reason at the time that I made the post "I've already stated my reasons." That post is #168. My first reasoning for voting Calamitas is stated at #158.

I don't actually know if I find this scummy. I probably would have 5 games ago, but I don't know if scum actually deliberately misunderstands someone to make a case against them at this point in the game. I think this might just be sloppy play.

So overall, I'm still just leaning slight scum on Calamitas and pretty null on most other players.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #197 on: August 21, 2016, 08:15:47 pm »

Looking at things more closely, more town on SpaceAnenome. Let's not lynch that one today.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #198 on: August 21, 2016, 08:24:41 pm »

Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #199 on: August 21, 2016, 08:38:30 pm »

I have suspicion but I think revealing it would be detrimental

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« Reply #200 on: August 21, 2016, 08:42:44 pm »

So to clarify

Those who're playing their first game here: have you played variations of this game elsewhere? If so, which / how often?
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« Reply #201 on: August 21, 2016, 08:45:30 pm »

blargh. *a suspicion.
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« Reply #202 on: August 21, 2016, 09:07:56 pm »

Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?

hai

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« Reply #203 on: August 21, 2016, 09:16:10 pm »

Seprix, I'd like to engage more with you too, since you seem like town (for the moment!). Any re-read on Igu that you could offer will probably just smack of OMGUS, though.

Do you have any town-ish reads on anyone, especially amongst the other experienced people?

Holy cow, Silverspawn is being as deflective as possible this game. Scum points there.

Calimitas is probably town. His reaction was genuine. I wish people didn't just yell at me for trying to push some kind of case, any kind of case really. If Calimitas was scum, he'd feel pretty emboldened by the support he got in reply. He didn't try to buddy up with others in denouncing my 'case', so I think he's towny for now.

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« Reply #204 on: August 21, 2016, 09:16:48 pm »

vote: Iguana by the way

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #205 on: August 21, 2016, 09:20:13 pm »

So to clarify

Those who're playing their first game here: have you played variations of this game elsewhere? If so, which / how often?

Never played any form of mafia or werewolf online before, but used to play lots of slightly-atypical werewolf (maybe 2 hours per week in university termtime over quite a few years) up till about a year ago. I was rather good at it, though my main advantage was my above-average hearing :-)

For anyone who's not aware of it from other threads, I also know Haddock IRL... he's running the BSG game that's about to start, and I've been following his games, asking him questions, and learning the terminology for a few weeks now.
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« Reply #206 on: August 21, 2016, 09:23:23 pm »

Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?

hai

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« Reply #207 on: August 21, 2016, 09:27:09 pm »

Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?

hai

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Google does :-)

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #208 on: August 21, 2016, 11:01:57 pm »



Iguana is playing scummy. When he gets solvy this early, he's usually scum.

Ugh. Can you point to even one single game?
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« Reply #209 on: August 21, 2016, 11:03:20 pm »

FYI: Seprix has put me at an unnanounced L-1.

I imagine because he is a good and careful player, who always does a good job of things.
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« Reply #210 on: August 21, 2016, 11:04:12 pm »

FYI: Seprix has put me at an unnanounced L-1.

I imagine because he is a good and careful player, who always does a good job of things.

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« Reply #211 on: August 21, 2016, 11:40:41 pm »

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #212 on: August 22, 2016, 12:03:44 am »

Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.

LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.

RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"

But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix

I'm going to have to ask you to back up your claims.

About LaLight, same thing as RR. I'm in the codenames game with him.

You, it's just a feeling. But after reading some games, you feel scummy to lots of people when town. so idk. The unanounced L-1 also gives some minor scum points, so I'm happy with my vote kept on you.
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« Reply #213 on: August 22, 2016, 12:04:18 am »

Also, SS is acting weird. Not sure if it's town weird or scum weird yet.
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« Reply #214 on: August 22, 2016, 12:18:35 am »

Also, SS is acting weird. Not sure if it's town weird or scum weird yet.

I don't know why town!SS gets any credit for acting dumb, but scum!SS does dumb stuff and says he never does it as scum, so there's that argument. SS is just generally being unhelpful, which is odd, since he usually is, even as a scum player.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #215 on: August 22, 2016, 12:19:57 am »

And as much as I think Iguana might be scum, he's also pushing the game forward in a potentially positive direction, so I don't think I could bring myself to put him as #1 lynch today. I can settle for that reptile, but I think I can find a better option.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #216 on: August 22, 2016, 01:25:58 am »

So to clarify

Those who're playing their first game here: have you played variations of this game elsewhere? If so, which / how often?

I played this game very often, say, 4-5 years ago, having even championships.
Then, I played werewolves too, liked it better. First time playing not in IRL, so I just need time to adjust.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #217 on: August 22, 2016, 03:06:25 am »

Also, SS is acting weird.

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« Reply #218 on: August 22, 2016, 03:08:06 am »

That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.
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« Reply #220 on: August 22, 2016, 03:19:39 am »

That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.

Isn't it 5? we are nine
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« Reply #221 on: August 22, 2016, 03:40:09 am »

That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.

Isn't it 5? we are nine

L-1 means one vote away from a lynch. So that's 5 - 1 = 4.
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« Reply #222 on: August 22, 2016, 03:46:44 am »

That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.

Isn't it 5? we are nine

It's 5 to lynch, so 4 is "lynch minus one", and it's customary to announce when you're voting someone up to L-1 because the next vote on them (the hammer) lynches them with no way out.
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« Reply #223 on: August 22, 2016, 04:37:07 am »

That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.

Isn't it 5? we are nine

It's 5 to lynch, so 4 is "lynch minus one", and it's customary to announce when you're voting someone up to L-1 because the next vote on them (the hammer) lynches them with no way out.

Oh, and if someone right after Seprix voted Iguana there would be no way back? Folly.
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« Reply #224 on: August 22, 2016, 06:04:51 am »

That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.

Isn't it 5? we are nine

It's 5 to lynch, so 4 is "lynch minus one", and it's customary to announce when you're voting someone up to L-1 because the next vote on them (the hammer) lynches them with no way out.

Oh, and if someone right after Seprix voted Iguana there would be no way back? Folly.

Yeah, one more Iguana vote at that point and he'd have been dead. We'd still have been able to talk for a while, then the mod would have declared his alignment (though not role), and the thread would lock for night-time.

This voting is really different from in-person games I've played. There, we would make a "guillotine call" on a person if we found them suitably suspicious -- guillotines being a less racially charged concept than lynches! If that call was seconded (only one second was required, no matter how many people were in the game), the player was given a chance at an uninterrupted defence speech, after which we moved to a hidden vote, so there was no information available about who actually voted to kill whom.

Here it's very different, and one of the primary ways of getting information is to look at who's on what "waggon" as the voting happens.

If Iguana flips scum, then chances are his scumbuddy is someone who wasn't on his early waggon, because they'd want to try to avoid losing their team-mate so early. However, if he's actually town, I look quite scummy for pushing on him for so long, but the last couple of people deserve a lot of suspicion too, because a scum player might want to hold back till there's a probable mis-lynch and then push a hammer quickly.

With this many newbies, experienced scum might be hoping for some high-variance voting and a bit of sheeping, which makes Seprix's silent L-1 look fishy.

Anyway, add a load of WIFOM to all that (especially regarding motivations of experienced scums), then reason it through for yourself just to be sure.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #225 on: August 22, 2016, 06:30:23 am »

Also, SS is acting weird. Not sure if it's town weird or scum weird yet.

I don't know why town!SS gets any credit for acting dumb, but scum!SS does dumb stuff and says he never does it as scum, so there's that argument. SS is just generally being unhelpful, which is odd, since he usually is, even as a scum player.

He's playing the longer meta-game (which he seems quite successful at) to the detriment of a small game he's not very engaged with. People like RR find his analyses valuable, so he may get an effective free-ish pass here for D1. I'm really not a fan of this level of disengagement, though!
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #226 on: August 22, 2016, 07:05:29 am »

I reject those accusations. I play to win this game.

I've almost solved it. Just give me a little bit more-- well, not time so much as content.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #227 on: August 22, 2016, 07:17:35 am »

ok, I've reread the whole thread again and now I'm beginning to think on Seprix. There's two reasons:
1) His accusation on Calamitas and so-called scum slip. I don't know about Quicktopic much and if the bold font is really a proof of scumness, but the words of other people convinced me that it isn't. Still, Seprix took the possibility to eliminate the man. Which, at this point, proves that if Seprix is scum, Calamitas is not (but not vice versa)
2) His vote on Iguana to make L-1. It was really quiet and he could think that if Iguana would be lynched, we will accuse a man who had voted last and Seprix still would have been clear.

Of course it can be not so and just two mistakes of Seprix, but I find it suspicious.

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #228 on: August 22, 2016, 08:07:29 am »

I reject those accusations. I play to win this game.

I've almost solved it. Just give me a little bit more-- well, not time so much as content.

Dislike. Solving for your own personal enjoyment is less sporting than opening the game up for everyone else's satisfaction too.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #229 on: August 22, 2016, 08:57:10 am »

I reject those accusations. I play to win this game.

I've almost solved it. Just give me a little bit more-- well, not time so much as content.

Dislike. Solving for your own personal enjoyment is less sporting than opening the game up for everyone else's satisfaction too.

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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #230 on: August 22, 2016, 10:16:47 am »

I reject those accusations. I play to win this game.

I've almost solved it. Just give me a little bit more-- well, not time so much as content.

Dislike. Solving for your own personal enjoyment is less sporting than opening the game up for everyone else's satisfaction too.


Is posting pictures allowed?
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #231 on: August 22, 2016, 10:17:32 am »

ok, I've reread the whole thread again and now I'm beginning to think on Seprix. There's two reasons:
1) His accusation on Calamitas and so-called scum slip. I don't know about Quicktopic much and if the bold font is really a proof of scumness, but the words of other people convinced me that it isn't. Still, Seprix took the possibility to eliminate the man. Which, at this point, proves that if Seprix is scum, Calamitas is not (but not vice versa)
2) His vote on Iguana to make L-1. It was really quiet and he could think that if Iguana would be lynched, we will accuse a man who had voted last and Seprix still would have been clear.

Of course it can be not so and just two mistakes of Seprix, but I find it suspicious.

Unvote: Silverspawn
Vote: Seprix


1. That's a false dichotomy. Firstly, Calamitas could have made that mistake as scum. Secondly, just because I pointed it out doesn't make me scum. This is an awful case.

2. Okay, assume Iguana gets lynched. What happens next? Oh, yeah. I'd be on the chopping block anyways for putting Iguana to a lynch unannounced. It was just a careless error on my part. I didn't think that many people were voting for Iguana.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #232 on: August 22, 2016, 10:24:40 am »

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Is posting pictures allowed?

Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #233 on: August 22, 2016, 10:28:49 am »

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Is posting pictures allowed?

Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.
You certainly don't disappoint me.
Just wondered where the border between "personal media" and other pictures is. Are screenshots allowed then?
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #234 on: August 22, 2016, 10:54:21 am »

S
Is posting pictures allowed?

Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.
You certainly don't disappoint me.
Just wondered where the border between "personal media" and other pictures is. Are screenshots allowed then?

no media you create
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #235 on: August 22, 2016, 10:55:32 am »

S
Is posting pictures allowed?

Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.
You certainly don't disappoint me.
Just wondered where the border between "personal media" and other pictures is. Are screenshots allowed then?

no media you create
Okay, makes sense.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #236 on: August 22, 2016, 12:00:18 pm »

Vote Count 1.3


iguanaiguana (2): SpaceAnemone, Calamitas
Calamitas (2): silverspawn, iguanaiguana
Seprix (2): mail-mi, LaLight

Not Voting (3): Joseph2302, Seprix, RoadRunner7671


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25

p. s. I feel like I should count this vote, but it would probably just count as an unvote.  But for future reference, it doesn't mater what you put before the vote: playername if it is in bold.  Obviously unless it is "un", as I know someone will make that joke.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #237 on: August 22, 2016, 12:19:11 pm »

Imaginary unvote: Vote Un: hidden player: vote player un
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #238 on: August 22, 2016, 12:21:36 pm »

Imaginary unvote: Vote Un: hidden player: vote player un

Thank you.  Now there is no confusion.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #239 on: August 22, 2016, 12:22:38 pm »

Imaginary unvote: Vote Un: hidden player: vote player un
Could you please elaborate on the reasons behind your unvoting ;-)
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #240 on: August 22, 2016, 12:25:47 pm »

S
Is posting pictures allowed?

Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.
You certainly don't disappoint me.
Just wondered where the border between "personal media" and other pictures is. Are screenshots allowed then?

no media you create
I take credit for creating this rule
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #241 on: August 22, 2016, 12:51:49 pm »

I take credit for creating this rule

Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #242 on: August 22, 2016, 12:52:58 pm »

I take credit for creating this rule

Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?
Absolutely not. There is a 0% chance of breadcrumbing D1, and as we can all see they're not helpful
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #243 on: August 22, 2016, 12:53:19 pm »

I take credit for creating this rule

Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?
Might be the case but not sure which kind of steganography he might have used.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #244 on: August 22, 2016, 12:57:10 pm »

I was eating, I'll try to elaborate on that a bit more.

Breadcrumbing: If he had a N0 action and found scum, he'd say it immediately. If he found a PR, he probably wouldn't breadcrumb on D1, seeing as he doesn't get lynched D1.

Imaginary votes: These aren't helpful at all, but I've never seen anything similar. But we can tell they're not forwarding the game.

Colored fonts: No. These aren't breadcrumbing and they're not helpful. They're just off putting.
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #245 on: August 22, 2016, 12:59:59 pm »

Also, someone said that when someone dies only their alignment is revealed. This is not the case in forum mafia. In forum mafia it would look like this:

Roadrunner, the Mafia JOAT,has been lynched!

Roadrunner, the Loud Copwas killed in the night!

Roadrunner, a Vanilla Townie has been lynched!
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Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #246 on: August 22, 2016, 01:06:47 pm »

request prod on Joseph
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