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[Graystripe77]

This Combo works very well when there are no '+2 card' cards.  Use Scout to reveal the top 4 cards of your deck, play wishing well, and wish for the correct card!  This combo is not meant to be buy itself, just to make a good deck less likely to stall.

[Glooble]

Theoretically Apothecary works just as well as Scout here.

[theory]

It's not worth it to buy two crappy cards in hopes of simulating one good card.  About the only time I'd ever consider it is if I was doing Ironworks/Great Hall and had some kind of desire for Scouts already.

[Personman]

But wishing well isn't a crappy card!

Scout certainly is, and in most wishing well decks I don't think I'd bother picking it up, but if it's going to be useful at all, it's worth considering. Keep in mind that it can set up two wishing wells, and if you're doing it right probably some of the revealed cards will be wishing wells, and now you're well on your way to making it all the way through your deck instead of fizzling out right away.

[Thisisnotasmile]

Play 2 cards to draw 2 cards. Doesn't sound that great to me.

[ImperialStout]

There are however decks where wishing wells are very good (edit: by which I mean compare to the other 3 coin purchases on the board including silver), as I believe Theory has pointed out in a post on the strategy site.  I suspect that in decks where one or two action cards are of game-winning significance (e.g., curse givers in a deck with no trashers, the first kings court in a game where the first few kc + action combos will determine the winner) wishing wells quickly become the most desirable 3 coin and potentially even 4 coin purchase if there are no good 4 coin purchases.  In such a deck where you will already have the wishing wells, and where there are also great halls or harems, I wonder if a scout wouldn't be preferable to yet another wishing well...

[DG]

There are decks where a wishing well is good, or a scout is good, and then you add the other card for increased effect. I wouldn't put the two together just for the benefit of each other.

[hughes]

Although scout isn't a great card by any means it can counter deck stacking attacks like fortune teller and ghost ship (assuming you put victory cards down).  I'd say situational at best.

[krawhitham]

But wishing well isn't a crappy card!

Scout certainly is,

Scout is awesome is decks with action victory cards. Take nobles as an example: it would go into your hands and then you get to choose see which 3 cards you will be drawing. It can also be a good defence against cards that attack the top of your deck.

I don't believe any card is "crappy". Some just have limited uses.

[WanderingWinder]

I don't believe any card is "crappy". Some just have limited uses.

Pearl Diver (Ironically the card under your name as I type this) would like to have a word with you.

[Death to Sea Hags]

There are however decks where wishing wells are very good (edit: by which I mean compare to the other 3 coin purchases on the board including silver), as I believe Theory has pointed out in a post on the strategy site.  I suspect that in decks where one or two action cards are of game-winning significance (e.g., curse givers in a deck with no trashers, the first kings court in a game where the first few kc + action combos will determine the winner) wishing wells quickly become the most desirable 3 coin and potentially even 4 coin purchase if there are no good 4 coin purchases.  In such a deck where you will already have the wishing wells, and where there are also great halls or harems, I wonder if a scout wouldn't be preferable to yet another wishing well...

Wishingwell is the only card i can think of that makes Stash's "place anywhere in your deck" totally awesome.  Chancellor is good for putting Stash on top.  With WW, you put it 2d, 4th, 6th, 8th.... and then draw them all!

In this game I used Stash+WW to get to Grand Markets.  Took a while though - the Ambassadors were slowing us both down.  But starting turn 16, things took off.

http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20110614-072658-be442c8b.html

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Death to Sea Hags plays a Wishing Well.
... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action.
... (Death to Sea Hags reshuffles.)
... wishing for a Stash and finding one.
Death to Sea Hags plays a Wishing Well.
... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action.
... wishing for a Stash and finding one.
Death to Sea Hags plays a Wishing Well.
... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action.
... wishing for a Stash and finding one.
Death to Sea Hags plays a Wishing Well.
... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action.
... wishing for a Stash and finding one.

[Personman]

I don't believe any card is "crappy". Some just have limited uses.

That is exactly my definition of crappy. You can enumerate the finite-but-very-large number of possible spreads. For each of those, you can enumerate the very-much-larger-number of possible ways to play them. Then, for a given card, you can check whether the winner played it (with some wrinkles for things like buying Mint and never playing it, or buying VP) in each of these games. The percentage of the time that the winner played the card is the card's quality.

There might be some problems with this framework (and certainly I haven't described it fully), but if so something very similar will work.

I agree with what I think is your intent -- that there is no card that it isn't sometimes correct to purchase with the intent to play it. When I talk about card quality, I'm talking about the percentage of the time that it's correct to do so.

[chwhite]

I don't believe any card is "crappy". Some just have limited uses.

Pearl Diver (Ironically the card under your name as I type this) would like to have a word with you.

I played a game recently where King's Courted Pearl Divers were the only source of +Actions.

They're also sometimes worth picking up as cheap fodder to power Peddlers, Conspirators, and Scrying Pools.

Thief, on the other hand, now that's a crappy card.  Maybe I'd buy one in a set consisting of nothing but Chapel, Thief, and Treasure Kingdom cards.  That's about it.

[Personman]

I don't believe any card is "crappy". Some just have limited uses.

Pearl Diver (Ironically the card under your name as I type this) would like to have a word with you.

Dude, Pearl Diver is way better than Scout.

[Death to Sea Hags]

I don't believe any card is "crappy". Some just have limited uses.

Pearl Diver (Ironically the card under your name as I type this) would like to have a word with you.

I played a game recently where King's Courted Pearl Divers were the only source of +Actions.

They're also sometimes worth picking up as cheap fodder to power Peddlers, Conspirators, and Scrying Pools.

Thief, on the other hand, now that's a crappy card.  Maybe I'd buy one in a set consisting of nothing but Chapel, Thief, and Treasure Kingdom cards.  That's about it.

I'll buy Thief for a Fairgrounds game.  But only if I have to.  Even then, I've put it on an Island.

[krawhitham]

I don't believe any card is "crappy". Some just have limited uses.

Pearl Diver (Ironically the card under your name as I type this) would like to have a word with you.

I played a game recently where King's Courted Pearl Divers were the only source of +Actions.

They're also sometimes worth picking up as cheap fodder to power Peddlers, Conspirators, and Scrying Pools.

Thief, on the other hand, now that's a crappy card.  Maybe I'd buy one in a set consisting of nothing but Chapel, Thief, and Treasure Kingdom cards.  That's about it.

I'll buy Thief for a Fairgrounds game.  But only if I have to.  Even then, I've put it on an Island.

Sending criminals away to remote islands? I think we shall call this the Australian Fairground Strategy.

[chwhite]

Theoretically Apothecary works just as well as Scout here.

No.  It works much, much better.  I mean, sure, maybe the Apothecary scoops up three or four coppers and you can't set up a wish for your Well, but then you're up three cards anyway!

[Amaranth]

Apothecary self-synergises (sort of). You don't get massive draw off Apothecary unless your deck is choked with Coppers, but the ability to repeatedly stack your deck lets you play all your Bazaars/Conspirators/Markets/Grand Markets etc. in sequence with a lot more reliability.

[Teproc]

I don't believe any card is "crappy". Some just have limited uses.

Pearl Diver (Ironically the card under your name as I type this) would like to have a word with you.

You really think Pearl Driver i the worst card in the game ? It really isn't. Being spammable not only makes it's effet somewhat relevant, it also turns on Conspirator, it's an action for Throne Room or King's Court, and most of all, as Beyond Silver taught us (yes, I do worship this article), it becomes better than Silver at some point.

Whereas Scout is simply terrible 90% of the time, ok 5% of the time, and awesome 5% of the time.

[hughes]

Whereas Scout is simply terrible 90% of the time, ok 5% of the time, and awesome 5% of the time.

This is really well put.