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Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« on: June 13, 2016, 11:46:55 am »
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2016, 12:15:04 pm »
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Contraband is a very weak card.  The weakest alt-Treasure card imo (yes, weaker than Stash).  The very rare cases I buy it are:
- There are multiple expensive cards that I want (say, GM and Platinum), and my opponent will only deny me 1 of them, so I can still get the other
- I can trash-for-benefit it later, after I get 1 or 2 of said expensive card
- Your opponent doesn't know how it works or what they should deny you

People have mentioned it can be nice in an engine where it's your only +buy and there are many cheap things you want.  I get this in theory, but I can't say I've ever actually done that.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2016, 12:19:20 pm »
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If it helps me pick up multiple cards needed and I have a way to remove it later, I would definitely get one. I don't think it's worth getting multiples in most cases.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2016, 01:42:01 pm »
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It's a lot stronger now with Adventures and Empires, thanks to Events and debt.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2016, 02:43:54 pm »
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very exciting with get-stuff events (ball!) and also the other ones (expedition! it's like a lab next turn!)


it's mad cool when it's the only buy in a kingdom that desperately needs buys, such as this one between horist and me


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highway, fairgrounds, and a lot of low end cards and you want to get all of them but then you can't because your opponent is thinking forever after you played your contraband
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2016, 08:13:17 pm »
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It's a fine card, not a strong five, but I would take one :
- When it's the only +buy - very (very) often
- In good kingdoms where all or almost all cards are useful
- When the time to green is rather flexible
- With multiple villages or draw, that works similarly
- When there are good <$5 cards
- Fairgrounds

I actually think it's more useful than royal seal in many cases (no way it could be worse than stash)
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2016, 11:17:37 pm »
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If your opponent has no idea what to deny you, Contraband is fine. However, Contraband just becomes a waste of a slot when you want to Green. Either way, Contraband is hot garbage.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2016, 05:50:28 am »
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If your opponent has no idea what to deny you, Contraband is fine. However, Contraband just becomes a waste of a slot when you want to Green. Either way, Contraband is hot garbage.

Contraband is not a very good card, but "becomes a waste of a slopt when you want to green" also applies to Chapel and therefore isn't the best indicator of how good a card is.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2016, 06:32:10 am »
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It's a lot stronger now with Adventures and Empires, thanks to Events and debt.

I don't think this has been expressed enough, yet. I haven't actually played a game with Contraband and Events or debt but now, since you mentioned it, I'm looking forward to it. I dare say Contraband might even ascend several ranks in the next Qvist ranking, depending on whether you consider a metagame where there's at least one Event or Landmark in each match, which would often make Contraband significantly better than usual.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2016, 07:33:01 am »
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Contraband in a kingdom full of cards you want is great. And with adventurers, the amount of cards you want went up. And, even more so, events and landmarks aren't cards.

So yes, Contraband definitely got a relative buff with those two expansions.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2016, 12:37:07 pm »
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Contraband in a kingdom full of cards you want is great. And with adventurers, the amount of cards you want went up. And, even more so, events and landmarks aren't cards.

So yes, Contraband definitely got a relative buff with those two expansions.

You don't buy Landmarks so they don't help with Contraband.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2016, 01:01:23 pm »
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Contraband, when your second best option is almost as good as your best option.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2016, 03:42:53 pm »
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If your opponent has no idea what to deny you, Contraband is fine. However, Contraband just becomes a waste of a slot when you want to Green. Either way, Contraband is hot garbage.

Contraband is not a very good card, but "becomes a waste of a slopt when you want to green" also applies to Chapel and therefore isn't the best indicator of how good a card is.

But with Chapel, it thins you down, so there's a payoff. The whole point of Contraband is that it's supposed to give you money and buys.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2016, 03:44:27 pm »
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But with Chapel, it thins you down, so there's a payoff. The whole point of Contraband is that it's supposed to give you money and buys.

And it does.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2016, 03:55:04 pm »
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But with Chapel, it thins you down, so there's a payoff. The whole point of Contraband is that it's supposed to give you money and buys.

And it does.

Everyone knows Contraband sucks, I don't know why people are arguing with me about this.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2016, 04:06:47 pm »
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But with Chapel, it thins you down, so there's a payoff. The whole point of Contraband is that it's supposed to give you money and buys.

And it does.

Everyone knows Contraband sucks, I don't know why people are arguing with me about this.

They're arguing about your reasoning, not your conclusion.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2016, 04:10:32 pm »
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But with Chapel, it thins you down, so there's a payoff. The whole point of Contraband is that it's supposed to give you money and buys.

And it does.

Everyone knows Contraband sucks, I don't know why people are arguing with me about this.
Because it's bad, but it doesn't suck. Transmute sucks. Coppersmith sucks. Contraband is bad, but it doesn't suck. It has its uses for sure.

I have to reassess whether I believe this or if I'm just being disagreeable. Maybe a bit of both.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2016, 04:11:05 pm »
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No, I believe Contraband doesn't suck. There's definitely a time to buy it.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2016, 04:36:41 pm »
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No, I believe Contraband doesn't suck. There's definitely a time to buy it.

There's a time to buy Scout. I don't know if there's ever a time to buy Transmute though.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2016, 04:58:19 pm »
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I'm wondering what the scale for rating cards is? Clearly sucks is worse than bad.

I was in Mexico on a cruise and went to fill out the evaluation form a the end of a shore excursion. These were the categories: Good, pretty good, above average, evil.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2016, 05:16:45 pm »
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Here is my ratings list for everything:

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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2016, 05:50:05 pm »
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Contraband in a kingdom full of cards you want is great. And with adventurers, the amount of cards you want went up. And, even more so, events and landmarks aren't cards.

So yes, Contraband definitely got a relative buff with those two expansions.

You don't buy Landmarks so they don't help with Contraband.

Some Landmarks give out points for gaining specific cards. So on boards with such Landmarks you more options what to buy which makes Contraband better.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2016, 06:01:10 pm »
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Here is my ratings list for everything:

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Even Raid?
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2016, 06:53:22 pm »
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Contraband in a kingdom full of cards you want is great. And with adventurers, the amount of cards you want went up. And, even more so, events and landmarks aren't cards.

So yes, Contraband definitely got a relative buff with those two expansions.

You don't buy Landmarks so they don't help with Contraband.

Some Landmarks give out points for gaining specific cards. So on boards with such Landmarks you more options what to buy which makes Contraband better.

Sure, but the fact that "Landmarks aren't cards" isn't relevant for that.
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Re: Let's Discuss Prosperity Cards: Contraband
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2016, 06:31:23 pm »
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It's a lot stronger now with Adventures and Empires, thanks to Events and debt.

Such a good point about Events...but..how does Debt help it?
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