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Put it all back
« on: June 07, 2016, 07:44:34 pm »
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Assuming perfect shuffle luck, what is the first turn that you can end with no cards in your deck, discard, hand or play area, no cards in the trash, and no cards set aside or on any mats?

Solo game, Empires and any number of Events allowed. Hard mode: only 2 Events. Mission, Outpost or Possession turns count extra.
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Re: Put it all back
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2016, 08:44:06 pm »
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Kingdom: Encampment, Ambassador, Baker, Band of Misfits

T1: hand: 5C
buy BoM
T2: hand: 2C, 3E
use a coin token
buy Ambassador
T3: hand: Amb, 3E, C
play Amb to return 2E
T4: hand: BoM, 4C
play BoM as Amb to return 2C
buy Enc
T5: hand: 2C, Enc, Amb, BoM
play Enc to draw C, E, return Enc
play Amb to return E
play BoM as Amb to return 2C
T6: hand: 2C, BoM, Amb
play Amb to return 2C
T7: hand: BoM, Amb
play BoM as Amb to return Amb
T8: hand: BoM
play BoM as Enc, return BoM

Can it be shorten?
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Re: Put it all back
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2016, 09:47:07 pm »
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If you buy Summon T1 on Amb, you can Ambassador things off T2, and buy Amb while ditching the two Estates. Here's what would happen:

T1: 5c
buy Summon > Ambassador
T2: 2C, 3E
play Amb, return 2E, Alms gain Amb
T3: Amb, 1E, 3C
play Amb, return 2C
Alms Encampment
T4: 3C, Amb, Enc
Enc (c, Amb), return Enc
Amb 2C, Amb 2C
Alms Enc
T5: E, C, Enc, Amb, Amb
Enc, return Enc
Amb e, Amb c
buy Overlord
T6: Overlord > Amb, return 2 Amb
T7: Overlord Enc

Only Alms needed, BoM is a mistake, Overlord can do the same thing and for free, as long as you don't need to gain anything anymore.
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Re: Put it all back
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2016, 10:06:02 pm »
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If you buy Summon T1 on Amb, you can Ambassador things off T2, and buy Amb while ditching the two Estates. Here's what would happen:

T1: 5c
buy Summon > Ambassador
T2: 2C, 3E
play Amb, return 2E, Alms gain Amb
T3: Amb, 1E, 3C
play Amb, return 2C
Alms Encampment
T4: 3C, Amb, Enc
Enc (c, Amb), return Enc
Amb 2C, Amb 2C
Alms Enc
T5: E, C, Enc, Amb, Amb
Enc, return Enc
Amb e, Amb c
buy Overlord
T6: Overlord > Amb, return 2 Amb
T7: Overlord Enc

Only Alms needed, BoM is a mistake, Overlord can do the same thing and for free, as long as you don't need to gain anything anymore.
Oh, Great! With Events, shortened! I will find a way without Empire.
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Re: Put it all back
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2016, 10:09:01 pm »
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If you buy Summon T1 on Amb, you can Ambassador things off T2, and buy Amb while ditching the two Estates. Here's what would happen:

T1: 5c
buy Summon > Ambassador
T2: 2C, 3E
play Amb, return 2E, Alms gain Amb
T3: Amb, 1E, 3C
play Amb, return 2C
Alms Encampment
T4: 3C, Amb, Enc
Enc (c, Amb), return Enc
Amb 2C, Amb 2C
Alms Enc
T5: E, C, Enc, Amb, Amb
Enc, return Enc
Amb e, Amb c
buy Overlord
T6: Overlord > Amb, return 2 Amb
T7: Overlord Enc

Only Alms needed, BoM is a mistake, Overlord can do the same thing and for free, as long as you don't need to gain anything anymore.
Oh, Great! With Events, shortened! I will find a way without Empire.

It will take a lot longer without Encampment, but it is not impossible.
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Re: Put it all back
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2016, 11:22:17 pm »
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Re: Put it all back
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2016, 01:12:32 am »
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It will take a lot longer without Encampment, but it is not impossible.

How?  Without Encampment, there's no way for you to return the last card.  Ambassador can't return itself.  The only cards that return themselves are Madman and Spoils, and neither can be copied by BoM/Overlord since they're not in the Supply.
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Re: Put it all back
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2016, 08:21:07 am »
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I have a 6 turn solution and would not be surprised if there was a 5 turn one.
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Losses: NM4, M33, M35, M37, M38, M45, M46, M60, M68, M69, M82, RMM13, RMM21, RMM26, M43, M51, M58, M72, M83, RMM15, RMM33

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