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Cascading Gain
« on: January 25, 2012, 03:19:16 am »
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My (not so hard, I think) question is: How many cards can you subsequently gain when you buy or gain just one initial card on Isotropic?
If, for instance you buy a single Border Village, you gain one extra card.

My best answer: 77
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Re: Cascading Gain
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2012, 04:31:00 am »
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Infinitely:
Possess your opponent and play Embargo to put a token on any pile infinite times (tokens are unlimited).
Buy this card and reveal Trader to get a Silver for each Curse (Silver is unlimited).

If Possession isn't allowed and a 2 Player game is assumed, I get:

In play: 10 Talisman, 10 Haggler

Buy a Border Village:
gain 30 Silver from 30 King's Courted Embargo Tokens and revealed Trader
gain 9 Border Villages and 1 Silver (if you reveal Trader one time) from 10 Talisman
gain 8 Duchies from Border Villages
gain 2 XY from Border Villages
gain 8 Duchesses from Duchies
gain 10 Caches from Haggler
gain 20 Copper from Cache

= 30+9+1+8+2+8+10+20 = 88


« Last Edit: January 25, 2012, 04:33:14 am by Qvist »
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Re: Cascading Gain
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2012, 04:36:06 am »
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Hadn't thought about infinite Embargoing. :)

Otherwise, nice find!
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Re: Cascading Gain
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2012, 04:38:51 am »
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That wasn't my own idea. I've read that in a German Dominion Forum.
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Re: Cascading Gain
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2012, 05:10:19 am »
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Quote from: Qvist on January 25, 2012, 04:38:51 am
That wasn't my own idea. I've read that in a German Dominion Forum.
You can get 30 Curses in a 4-player game, although you'd rather have 30 Silvers I guess... :)
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Re: Cascading Gain
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2012, 10:40:52 am »
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Quote from: Qvist on January 25, 2012, 04:31:00 am
Infinitely:
Possess your opponent and play Embargo to put a token on any pile infinite times (tokens are unlimited).
Buy this card and reveal Trader to get a Silver for each Curse (Silver is unlimited).

If Possession isn't allowed and a 2 Player game is assumed, I get:

In play: 10 Talisman, 10 Haggler

Buy a Border Village:
gain 30 Silver from 30 King's Courted Embargo Tokens and revealed Trader
gain 9 Border Villages and 1 Silver (if you reveal Trader one time) from 10 Talisman
gain 8 Duchies from Border Villages
gain 2 XY from Border Villages
gain 8 Duchesses from Duchies
gain 10 Caches from Haggler
gain 20 Copper from Cache

= 30+9+1+8+2+8+10+20 = 88




That is nifty. Do you have Bridges or Highways in play? I'm not quite seeing how Talisman allows for more Border Villages. It may be too early for me this morning.
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Re: Cascading Gain
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2012, 10:52:47 am »
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You're right. I forgot to mention that.

So the Kingdom has to be:
Border Village, Cache, Duchess, Embargo, Haggler, Highway, King's Court, Talisman, Trader and let's say City to play all 10 Hagglers.
and as there are only 2 piles (Haggler, Talisman) empty, the game isn't over yet. So, it should still work.
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Re: Cascading Gain
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2012, 02:22:34 pm »
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Quote from: Qvist on January 25, 2012, 10:52:47 am
You're right. I forgot to mention that.

So the Kingdom has to be:
Border Village, Cache, Duchess, Embargo, Haggler, Highway, King's Court, Talisman, Trader and let's say City to play all 10 Hagglers.
and as there are only 2 piles (Haggler, Talisman) empty, the game isn't over yet. So, it should still work.

I think you should use Princess just for grins. You generally don’t see that card being used for much in puzzles.

New puzzle: Find a puzzle that requires that card.
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Re: Cascading Gain
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2012, 02:33:05 pm »
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But Princess requires Tournament. And then it's harder to get all cards in hand without Laboratory or Cities.

I still have an error above. With Embargo there are still 3 piles empty. But you only need 9 Talismans to accomplish most of this. So it still works.

Revised solution:

Border Village, Cache, City, Duchess, Embargo, Haggler, Highway, King's Court, Talisman, Trader

In play: 9 Talismans, 10 Haggler

Buy a Border Village:
gain 30 Silver from 30 King's Courted Embargo Tokens and revealed Trader
gain 9 Border Villages from 9 Talismans
gain 8 Duchies from Border Villages
gain 2 XY from Border Villages
gain 8 Duchesses from Duchies
gain 10 Caches from Haggler
gain 20 Copper from Cache

= 30+9+8+2+8+10+20 = 87

Here I prove that it works: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201201/25/game-20120125-084741-a3c4262b.html
But I've wrongly bought the last Talisman instead of the last Haggler.
It's the last turn and I even managed to buy all other cards with the other buys.

And: I think the Trader/Embargo thing didn't work. It seems this is an bug from isotropic. Because it counts all Curses before you reveal Trader. So you get only 10.
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Re: Cascading Gain
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2012, 05:17:51 am »
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30 kc'ed embargos plus 30 bvs under a province plus 30 caches and 60 coppers is 150 cascaded gains?

EDIT:  Obviously it is way too late for me to be posting goodnight >_<
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