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Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« on: May 18, 2016, 01:03:49 pm »
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Not sure when the cards will come out here, but would anyone be interested in meeting up when they do?
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2016, 01:26:03 pm »
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Do you have a particular place in mind? I am definitely interested. Currently I am in northern germany but maybe i could combine my travel plans with a dominion meetup  :)
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2016, 01:44:27 pm »
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Potentially, if it's somewhere with an airport that flies from London for not too much.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2016, 09:23:03 am »
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anyone wants to Russia with the copy? You'll be welcomed!
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2016, 04:25:02 pm »
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Anyone who can make it to Reading, UK, I'll play ya.  Not sure I've ever hit my dominion limit.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2016, 04:49:14 pm »
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I'd be up for it in Eastern Finland. Especially around Joensuu and Savonlinna.

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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2016, 01:18:38 pm »
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I'll be in Edingburgh in the last week of July, I'll do another City trip sometime in late August probably, maybe we can make something work somewhere?
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2016, 06:06:15 pm »
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Anyone who can make it to Reading, UK, I'll play ya.  Not sure I've ever hit my dominion limit.
You're in Reading?  INTERESTING.  I'm in Oxford, several friends in Reading.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2016, 07:50:48 pm »
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Anyone who can make it to Reading, UK, I'll play ya.  Not sure I've ever hit my dominion limit.
You're in Reading?  INTERESTING.  I'm in Oxford, several friends in Reading.

Sure am!  Oxford, eh?  I used to run a homeless hostel in Oxford, and you do have the luxury of the only board game cafe I've ever heard of.  Nice city.

I tend not to leave Reading if I can avoid it.  If you come here, I can find us a venue probably, for a game or six.  I might even travel to Oxford; the trains are pretty decent.

You struggle for IRL opponents in Oxford?  I've basically got only one friend who'll play me here.  All the others either don't care for the game or feel I've gotten too good at it :(
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2016, 04:23:10 pm »
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Anyone who can make it to Reading, UK, I'll play ya.  Not sure I've ever hit my dominion limit.
You're in Reading?  INTERESTING.  I'm in Oxford, several friends in Reading.

Sure am!  Oxford, eh?  I used to run a homeless hostel in Oxford, and you do have the luxury of the only board game cafe I've ever heard of.  Nice city.

I tend not to leave Reading if I can avoid it.  If you come here, I can find us a venue probably, for a game or six.  I might even travel to Oxford; the trains are pretty decent.

You struggle for IRL opponents in Oxford?  I've basically got only one friend who'll play me here.  All the others either don't care for the game or feel I've gotten too good at it :(
Yeah it's a beautiful place to live.

Sadly I'm really unlikely to have time to be coming to Reading any time soon!
I host a games night, so tend to get my fill of Dominion pretty regularly, but people are definitely getting increasingly frustrated with me lately.  Other games abound and I play online more and more.
If I ever am in Reading I'll let you know!
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2016, 06:03:37 am »
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Anyone who can make it to Reading, UK, I'll play ya.  Not sure I've ever hit my dominion limit.
You're in Reading?  INTERESTING.  I'm in Oxford, several friends in Reading.

Sure am!  Oxford, eh?  I used to run a homeless hostel in Oxford, and you do have the luxury of the only board game cafe I've ever heard of.  Nice city.

I tend not to leave Reading if I can avoid it.  If you come here, I can find us a venue probably, for a game or six.  I might even travel to Oxford; the trains are pretty decent.

You struggle for IRL opponents in Oxford?  I've basically got only one friend who'll play me here.  All the others either don't care for the game or feel I've gotten too good at it :(
I'd go to Reading from London to play Dominion Empires.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2016, 10:10:46 am »
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Anyone who can make it to Reading, UK, I'll play ya.  Not sure I've ever hit my dominion limit.
You're in Reading?  INTERESTING.  I'm in Oxford, several friends in Reading.

Sure am!  Oxford, eh?  I used to run a homeless hostel in Oxford, and you do have the luxury of the only board game cafe I've ever heard of.  Nice city.

I tend not to leave Reading if I can avoid it.  If you come here, I can find us a venue probably, for a game or six.  I might even travel to Oxford; the trains are pretty decent.

You struggle for IRL opponents in Oxford?  I've basically got only one friend who'll play me here.  All the others either don't care for the game or feel I've gotten too good at it :(
Yeah it's a beautiful place to live.

Sadly I'm really unlikely to have time to be coming to Reading any time soon!
I host a games night, so tend to get my fill of Dominion pretty regularly, but people are definitely getting increasingly frustrated with me lately.  Other games abound and I play online more and more.
If I ever am in Reading I'll let you know!

I'm also pretty close to Reading and Oxford and would be up for some Empires.
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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2016, 03:58:56 pm »
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I'm also pretty close to Reading and Oxford and would be up for some Empires.

Well ced, Joseph, you are both very welcome to join me and my pal in Reading when Empires comes out for a big ol' session. Heck, because of my... links... to the University, I could host a much greater number of people if needed, so the more the merrier.

The only problem is the lack of a firm UK release date.  If we knew that, we could plan something now.  My FLGS has it on pre-order for me, but the first I'll hear is probably a phone call when it arrives.

Also, ced, saying you're pretty close to Reading and Oxford and not elaborating will lead people to believe you live in Slough.  You have been warned. :)
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2016, 02:22:36 am »
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I'm also pretty close to Reading and Oxford and would be up for some Empires.

Well ced, Joseph, you are both very welcome to join me and my pal in Reading when Empires comes out for a big ol' session. Heck, because of my... links... to the University, I could host a much greater number of people if needed, so the more the merrier.

The only problem is the lack of a firm UK release date.  If we knew that, we could plan something now.  My FLGS has it on pre-order for me, but the first I'll hear is probably a phone call when it arrives.

Also, ced, saying you're pretty close to Reading and Oxford and not elaborating will lead people to believe you live in Slough.  You have been warned. :)

Yeah, that sounds great. Just let us know when you get your hands on it and we can all sort out a day.

Also, of course I don't live in Slough. I live somewhere immeasurably worse  :P
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2016, 05:55:07 am »
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believe you live in Slough. 
Come friendly bombs, etc.

If this is gonna be a proper thing, maybe I'd be tempted to see if I can find time, too.  Count me in!
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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2016, 06:22:31 am »
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Also, of course I don't live in Slough. I live somewhere immeasurably worse  :P

Basingstoke.  Got it.

If this is gonna be a proper thing, maybe I'd be tempted to see if I can find time, too.  Count me in!

Hey, I guess it's a proper thing if we say it is.

So what I plan to do is:

1) Obtain a copy of Empires.  From the news this morning, it sounds like that's been pushed back a little.  Nay bother.
2) PM you guys (ced, Joseph, Haddock) to try and find a mutually acceptable date.
3) Once agreed, advertise the date on f.ds to see if there are any further interested parties.
4) Confirm the exact venue a few days ahead of time.  It will be Reading, but options such as my place, my mate's place, our FLGS and one of my Uni holdings would be options dependent on numbers.
5) Mercilessly crush you all with a host of new cards.  :)
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2016, 08:03:25 am »
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This sounds interesting, I haven't played with "real" cards for years.
I'm near Gloucester, so could make it on Saturday or Sunday.
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« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2016, 08:51:54 am »
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This sounds interesting, I haven't played with "real" cards for years.
I'm near Gloucester, so could make it on Saturday or Sunday.

It would be an honour sir.  I'll keep you in the loop.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2016, 04:15:04 pm »
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I will be going to America for a couple weeks this June, so I can try to pick up a box of Empire cards and come back to Europe with it. I am near Geneva, which is just a cheap 80 minute flight from anywhere in Europe.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2016, 01:51:35 pm »
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I'm still toying with the idea of making this happen, I won't be able to travel until late August or so, though.

If anyone comes to Northern Germany and wants to play, let me know :)
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2016, 03:18:36 pm »
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I hope to have it in Karlsruhe, (Southern) Germany, within a week. A coworker from Portland, OR, has promised to bring it with him, provided the FLGS still has a copy...
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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2016, 04:02:04 pm »
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If it's gonna happen in Germany, I'd almost be tempted to come... Still probably a long drive, and I'm not sure I could get a car for this trip..

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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2016, 07:16:03 am »
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I might coem to some place in Germany, not sure though.
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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2016, 07:49:43 am »
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I hope to have it in Karlsruhe, (Southern) Germany, within a week. A coworker from Portland, OR, has promised to bring it with him, provided the FLGS still has a copy...

I live in Mannheim. I could come to such a meeting if it's open to all  :).. Depends on the day, though.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2016, 07:18:29 pm »
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I'm still toying with the idea of making this happen, I won't be able to travel until late August or so, though.

If anyone comes to Northern Germany and wants to play, let me know :)

Northern Germany is great; I'm in Berlin. I might also come to a meeting in southern Germany, though I didn't plan to go there until like end of July. I guess I might be willing to change plans.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2016, 02:09:14 am »
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in the end of July i'm going to Prague-Warsaw-Vilnius-Riga, is there anybody with empires? :)
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2016, 05:32:49 pm »
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If it's gonna happen in Germany, I'd almost be tempted to come... Still probably a long drive, and I'm not sure I could get a car for this trip..
I might coem to some place in Germany, not sure though.
I live in Mannheim. I could come to such a meeting if it's open to all  :).. Depends on the day, though.
Northern Germany is great; I'm in Berlin. I might also come to a meeting in southern Germany, though I didn't plan to go there until like end of July. I guess I might be willing to change plans.

Wow. It really looks like we have to do the European release party in Karlsruhe. If I get my copy of Empires on Monday 20th as expected, we could play at my place on the weekend 25th/26th. There are one guest bed and at least 3 additional mattresses if you want to stay overnight and don't prefer to book a hotel room. There will be quite a few European Cup round of 16 matches on that weekend, too, so be prepared for a TV running in parallel (you are not required to watch). And my other Dominion cards are all in German. If that doesn't bother you and if you want to come, please PM me, so I can send you directions.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2016, 06:04:22 pm »
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If it's gonna happen in Germany, I'd almost be tempted to come... Still probably a long drive, and I'm not sure I could get a car for this trip..
I might coem to some place in Germany, not sure though.
I live in Mannheim. I could come to such a meeting if it's open to all  :).. Depends on the day, though.
Northern Germany is great; I'm in Berlin. I might also come to a meeting in southern Germany, though I didn't plan to go there until like end of July. I guess I might be willing to change plans.

Wow. It really looks like we have to do the European release party in Karlsruhe. If I get my copy of Empires on Monday 20th as expected, we could play at my place on the weekend 25th/26th. There are one guest bed and at least 3 additional mattresses if you want to stay overnight and don't prefer to book a hotel room. There will be quite a few European Cup round of 16 matches on that weekend, too, so be prepared for a TV running in parallel (you are not required to watch). And my other Dominion cards are all in German. If that doesn't bother you and if you want to come, please PM me, so I can send you directions.

Seems a bit short notice? I mean I think I could make it, but I wouldn't be surprised if people who don't have as muc free time on their hands couldn't.

Anyway, a friend of mine lives in Karlsruhe and I might be able to stay at her place; if that's not possible, I might take you up on your offer.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2016, 06:27:51 pm »
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I would love to come aswell, but I certainly can't make it that early. Maybe some weekend in July, rather August.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2016, 07:34:48 pm »
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Sure, it is short notice, but that comes with the possibly first IRL play of Empires in Europe...  8)

I will certainly play Empires that weekend, provided I have the cards. Even if nobody from the Forum can make it (faust, I take your post still as a "maybe"). I had a games evening scheduled for the 25th anyway.

teamrocketgrunt told me he cannot make it that weekend, but he might join in a few weeks later. July 16th/17th, 23rd/24th or 30th/31st would work for me, too, and from August 5th to 14th there is a small games convention ("Zine-Con") in Höchst (Odenwald) where I hope to play lots of Dominion.

So if you want to join in on June 25th/26th, please tell me, and if one of the other dates works better for you, please do so as well.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2016, 05:49:55 am »
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July 16/17 might work for me.
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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2016, 07:57:59 am »
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I'd only make the trip once, and rather at a time when I can meet more f.ds regulars.

Any of those July weekends is fine to me so far (depending on future plans).
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Losses: NM4, M33, M35, M37, M38, M45, M46, M60, M68, M69, M82, RMM13, RMM21, RMM26, M43, M51, M58, M72, M83, RMM15, RMM33

MVPs: M41, M53, M63, M65, M66, RMM20, RMM24, RMM28
Win percentage: 56.3 (27/48)
Modded games: M40, M50, M59, M69, M79, RMM19, RMM25, RMM30

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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2016, 09:32:13 am »
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I would like to join something to. I live in Denmark near Copenhagen.
But I don't really have time to travel more than I already am before the end of August.
I'll try to keep an eye on this thread.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2016, 06:24:20 am »
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I think July 16th/17th (at least one of those days) could work for me as well!
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2016, 07:39:45 am »
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Okay, then let's make it July 16th/17th. The Empires box has arrived today - thanks to my coworker from Portland, OR, so we are all set.
I guess we can easily accomodate three or four parallel games with that one box. Beyond this, I'm running out of tables anyway...
Please post here or send me a PM if you want to join, so I can send you directions.
I'll ask for special food and drinks requirements closer to that date. A gas barbecue will be available.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2016, 05:00:37 am »
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Maybe there should be an announcement in the general discussion board? I think that would attract more people. I don't really want to invite lots of people to your house myself though.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 02:25:53 pm by faust »
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Losses: NM4, M33, M35, M37, M38, M45, M46, M60, M68, M69, M82, RMM13, RMM21, RMM26, M43, M51, M58, M72, M83, RMM15, RMM33

MVPs: M41, M53, M63, M65, M66, RMM20, RMM24, RMM28
Win percentage: 56.3 (27/48)
Modded games: M40, M50, M59, M69, M79, RMM19, RMM25, RMM30

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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2016, 05:22:07 pm »
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Maybe there should be an announcement in the general discussion board? I think that would attract more people. I don't really want to invite lots of people to your house myself though.

Okay, have done so. Now we'll see if the moderators move it to Tournaments and Events...
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2016, 03:03:57 am »
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Too bad, but I wont be able to make it. I hope everyone behaves well so it doesn't become a one time thing ;)
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2016, 04:58:01 pm »
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Too bad, but I wont be able to make it. I hope everyone behaves well so it doesn't become a one time thing ;)

I hope so, too. Watno has already booked the first guest bed, and I hope for a few more Forum regulars.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2016, 05:57:59 pm »
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Too bad, but I wont be able to make it. I hope everyone behaves well so it doesn't become a one time thing ;)

I hope so, too. Watno has already booked the first guest bed, and I hope for a few more Forum regulars.

Can I have one too?

Also, when do we start on Staruday? I will probably be in Karlsruhe from noon, should I get to you straight away or do some other stuff first?
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Losses: NM4, M33, M35, M37, M38, M45, M46, M60, M68, M69, M82, RMM13, RMM21, RMM26, M43, M51, M58, M72, M83, RMM15, RMM33

MVPs: M41, M53, M63, M65, M66, RMM20, RMM24, RMM28
Win percentage: 56.3 (27/48)
Modded games: M40, M50, M59, M69, M79, RMM19, RMM25, RMM30

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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2016, 05:34:03 pm »
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Watno has already booked the first guest bed, and I hope for a few more Forum regulars.
Can I have one too?

Sure. Two booked, two still available... :)  And teamrocketgrunt will come, too.

Also, when do we start on Saturday? I will probably be in Karlsruhe from noon, should I get to you straight away or do some other stuff first?

I had 14:00 in mind, but if you are here earlier, you can come, sure. You can definitely check out the real Empires cards if I still need to do some final preparations.
I'll be sending out my address by PM soon.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2016, 01:57:08 am »
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I plan to come. If there's still a guest bed, let me know... or I can do airbnb.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2016, 09:25:32 am »
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I plan to come. If there's still a guest bed, let me know...

Yes, there is (a good mattress without bedframe, I hope that's sufficient). Three booked, one (folding mattress) still available.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2016, 03:50:18 pm »
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thank you to tufftaeh for a great dominion weekend
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2016, 04:15:24 pm »
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any stories? :) Which forum users were there?
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2016, 05:35:31 pm »
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There was faust, teamrocketgrunt, ehunt and me, as well as tufftaeh (obviously) and 3 of his friends not on the forum.
There's not really any stories, except  that we played loads of Dominion and it was really awesome.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #46 on: July 19, 2016, 10:28:21 am »
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Yes, it was really a great weekend, only nice people, so be prepared for a second serving later this year.
I might actually create a Doodle really soon now so we can find the best date.
In the meantime I hope to play lots of Empires at the Zine-Con '16, a small games convention on August 5th to 14th in Höchst / Odenwald.
Again, if anybody would be interested to join, please tell me so I can send you the details.
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Re: Dominion Empires -- Europe?
« Reply #47 on: July 19, 2016, 10:58:12 am »
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Yes, can you give me information about Zine-Con? It's only a one hour drive away from me, so I'm interested.
Also, I thought about coming for the meet-up as well, but didn't have time, maybe next time.
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