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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #100 on: May 11, 2016, 04:29:52 pm »
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I wonder why Gladiator is so cheap for a terminal Gold variant. It is true, that Gladiator is much worse than Adventurer, but I assume that its strength is very similar to Harvest. Keeping its secondary effect in mind, I think, this card should cost $4, but maybe Donald had his reasons for the $3.
Probably because it's not a terminal gold very often before like the third reshuffle. It makes sense to give a lower price to cards you want to get after the opening because the opportunity cost is already high by that point.
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #101 on: May 11, 2016, 04:34:29 pm »
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A lot of cards at low price points have a pretty decent chance of being terminal Golds (or better). Like Coppersmith and Baron. Harvest and Adventurer are just extremely awful cards.
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #102 on: May 11, 2016, 04:46:03 pm »
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I wonder why Gladiator is so cheap for a terminal Gold variant. It is true, that Gladiator is much worse than Adventurer, but I think it is also very similar to Harvest.
What they said.

But also: Gladiator rewards a divergent strategy (having cards the other players don't) which is a fun and interesting thing to reward. That argues in favour of making it absolutely as cheap as possible.
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #103 on: May 11, 2016, 08:10:23 pm »
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I'm curious why fortune doesn't use the Crossroads and Fool's Gold wording of "if this is th first time you played Fortune this turn". Instead it talks about if you haven't yet doubled this turn... It could be taken as a hint that there's yet another card that doubles your money.
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #104 on: May 11, 2016, 08:11:34 pm »
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I'm curious why fortune doesn't use the Crossroads and Fool's Gold wording of "if this is th first time you played Fortune this turn". Instead it talks about if you haven't yet doubled this turn... It could be taken as a hint that there's yet another card that doubles your money.

I doubt this. Why would Donald make TWO cards that double your money? Plus, it's shorter to say.
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #105 on: May 11, 2016, 08:39:55 pm »
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I'm curious why fortune doesn't use the Crossroads and Fool's Gold wording of "if this is th first time you played Fortune this turn". Instead it talks about if you haven't yet doubled this turn... It could be taken as a hint that there's yet another card that doubles your money.

I doubt this. Why would Donald make TWO cards that double your money? Plus, it's shorter to say.

It's probably a safeguard against future shenanigans, as always.
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #106 on: May 12, 2016, 06:24:47 pm »
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #107 on: May 12, 2016, 06:29:17 pm »
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Also, as pointed out previously by Awaclus, there are already cards that can double your money, like Copper.
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #108 on: May 12, 2016, 06:33:17 pm »
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Also, as pointed out previously by Awaclus, there are already cards that can double your money, like Copper.

Even though the result of playing a Copper sometimes gives you a coin total that is double what it was previously, the act of playing that Copper is not doubling your money.  It's adding 1, which is mathematically different than multiplying by 2.
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #109 on: May 12, 2016, 06:35:43 pm »
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Also, as pointed out previously by Awaclus, there are already cards that can double your money, like Copper.

Even though the result of playing a Copper sometimes gives you a coin total that is double what it was previously, the act of playing that Copper is not doubling your money.  It's adding 1, which is mathematically different than multiplying by 2.

And this is why ignorant parents get all pissy at Common Core.  Just because you got the right answer in the end, that doesn't mean you did it the right way, which is what matters.
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #110 on: May 12, 2016, 07:30:58 pm »
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Also, as pointed out previously by Awaclus, there are already cards that can double your money, like Copper.

Even though the result of playing a Copper sometimes gives you a coin total that is double what it was previously, the act of playing that Copper is not doubling your money.  It's adding 1, which is mathematically different than multiplying by 2.

And this is why ignorant parents get all pissy at Common Core.  Just because you got the right answer in the end, that doesn't mean you did it the right way, which is what matters.

I watched a YouTube video on common core once, and then immediately forgot what I just watched.
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #111 on: May 13, 2016, 01:02:49 pm »
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...This helps avoid the scenario with City and Knights...

You definitely want to avoid this scenario when your friends say "Let's play Catan!" Noooooooooo!....

"What about Seafarers?" Great, just what Catan needed, more less-productive coastal properties leading to dead turns.

Next person to complain about some nitpicky aspect of Dominion should be sentenced to play a few 4-hour-long games of 6-player Catan with all the expansions.
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #112 on: May 13, 2016, 03:39:25 pm »
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I watched a YouTube video on common core once, and then immediately forgot what I just watched.

Then how are you telling this story!?!?
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #113 on: May 13, 2016, 05:09:42 pm »
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I watched a YouTube video on common core once, and then immediately forgot what I just watched.

Then how are you telling this story!?!?

It showed up in his history.
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #114 on: May 18, 2016, 10:35:04 pm »
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #115 on: May 18, 2016, 10:50:43 pm »
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Next person to complain about some nitpicky aspect of Dominion should be sentenced to play a few 4-hour-long games of 6-player Catan with all the expansions.

All the expansions? Do you have any idea how many obscure variants there are? That's going to take a lot more than 4 hours when you take into account all the obscure but official variants like Hot Air Balloons, Factories, Specialists, Catan Rally, Dragonslayers, Magic Castle, Oil Springs, Atlantis, Football Fields, Catan is Round, Chocolate Market and many more... All of these are real by the way.
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #116 on: May 19, 2016, 11:24:05 am »
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That's going to take a lot more than 4 hours when you take into account all the obscure but official variants like Hot Air Balloons, Factories, Specialists, Catan Rally, Dragonslayers, Magic Castle, Oil Springs, Atlantis, Football Fields, Catan is Round, Chocolate Market and many more...

The horror!

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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #117 on: May 19, 2016, 12:51:44 pm »
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I was playing a game with some proxy cards and came upon an interesting question. Someone had a hand of Crown, Gold, and Fortune. They Crowned Gold and then played Fortune. Crown doubled their money, does that mean Fortune doesn't trigger?

I'm 99% sure the answer to this is "Fortune does trigger" and the ability refers to cards that specifically double your current number of coins. Is this true?
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #118 on: May 19, 2016, 12:57:29 pm »
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Playing a card twice and doubling are not the same thing.
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #119 on: May 19, 2016, 12:58:00 pm »
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I was playing a game with some proxy cards and came upon an interesting question. Someone had a hand of Crown, Gold, and Fortune. They Crowned Gold and then played Fortune. Crown doubled their money, does that mean Fortune doesn't trigger?

I'm 99% sure the answer to this is "Fortune does trigger" and the ability refers to cards that specifically double your current number of coins. Is this true?

Yes, Fortune triggers.
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #120 on: May 19, 2016, 12:58:28 pm »
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I was playing a game with some proxy cards and came upon an interesting question. Someone had a hand of Crown, Gold, and Fortune. They Crowned Gold and then played Fortune. Crown doubled their money, does that mean Fortune doesn't trigger?

I'm 99% sure the answer to this is "Fortune does trigger" and the ability refers to cards that specifically double your current number of coins. Is this true?
Crown didn't exactly double their coins, it just let him add 3 coins twice.
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #121 on: May 19, 2016, 12:59:42 pm »
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #122 on: May 19, 2016, 01:15:34 pm »
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I was playing a game with some proxy cards and came upon an interesting question. Someone had a hand of Crown, Gold, and Fortune. They Crowned Gold and then played Fortune. Crown doubled their money, does that mean Fortune doesn't trigger?

I'm 99% sure the answer to this is "Fortune does trigger" and the ability refers to cards that specifically double your current number of coins. Is this true?

Yes, Fortune triggers.
My question is, can you Crown Fortune? My assumption is no, because Fortune only allows you to double your coin once. Is that correct?
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #123 on: May 19, 2016, 01:17:47 pm »
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I was playing a game with some proxy cards and came upon an interesting question. Someone had a hand of Crown, Gold, and Fortune. They Crowned Gold and then played Fortune. Crown doubled their money, does that mean Fortune doesn't trigger?

I'm 99% sure the answer to this is "Fortune does trigger" and the ability refers to cards that specifically double your current number of coins. Is this true?

Yes, Fortune triggers.
My question is, can you Crown Fortune? My assumption is no, because Fortune only allows you to double your coin once. Is that correct?

You can Crown Fortune, but you don't get more money than just playing Fortune normally.
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Re: Empires Previews #2: Split Piles
« Reply #124 on: May 19, 2016, 01:26:22 pm »
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I was playing a game with some proxy cards and came upon an interesting question. Someone had a hand of Crown, Gold, and Fortune. They Crowned Gold and then played Fortune. Crown doubled their money, does that mean Fortune doesn't trigger?

I'm 99% sure the answer to this is "Fortune does trigger" and the ability refers to cards that specifically double your current number of coins. Is this true?

Yes, Fortune triggers.
My question is, can you Crown Fortune? My assumption is no, because Fortune only allows you to double your coin once. Is that correct?

You can Crown Fortune, but you don't get more money than just playing Fortune normally.

You can also throne a crossroads with no victory cards in hand if that really does it for you.
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