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Empires Previews #1: Debt
« on: May 09, 2016, 12:04:33 pm »
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You can feel it in the night, like an approaching storm. You hear its distant laughter on the wind; you catch a glimpse of it in the window of a passing train. There's no mistaking it. It's another Dominion expansion. And if you had any doubt remaining, I'm here with some previews for it.

As with last time around, there will be individual previews here each day by different people.

There are too many set themes to have a day with no theme. So the cards the other people preview will include some random stuff, while I will stick with the themes, which I will just get you ready for now: Debt, split piles, VP tokens, Landmarks, Events.

Okay so Debt.



That reddish hexagon means you don't pay for City Quarter or Royal Blacksmith up front. Instead you take some tokens that say how much you owe. While you have the tokens, you can't buy cards or Events. Those are the only things you can't do; you can still play cards, including the one that got you into Debt if you draw that one; you can still trash cards and get attacked and win the game and so on. You can pay off Debt tokens in your Buy phase, before and/or after buying cards, at $1 per token. So, you have $4, you buy City Quarter, you get 8 Debt, you pay off 4 of it immediately, you have 4 debt left. In your next Buy phase, if you had $6, you could pay off the rest of your Debt and then have $2 left to spend. Get it? It's pretty simple. The one tricky thing is how these things work when cards compare costs. There it works like Potion: apples and oranges. A reddish hexagon with an 8 isn't more or less than $3. There's a rulebook, okay? It covers all the tricky things. And uh why a hexagon, why that color? The physical tokens are reddish hexagons.

So City Quarter is one of these things, it costs $8 but you don't need any $ up front. You can buy it with $0 and a leftover Buy. But you'll be paying it off before you buy more things and well I went over that already. So uh City Quarter. It looks snazzy. You could draw so many cards. And it's a Village too, which helps you play those cards you had to have to draw those other cards.

Royal Blacksmith also costs 8 Debt and draws a lot of cards. It doesn't let you keep the Coppers and well you may want to do something about that. I like to show off at least a few simple cards, and Royal Blacksmith and City Quarter are both pretty simple, other than wondering about that red hexagon.

Most cards and Events that use Debt use it in a cost. Capital is one that does something different. It's a Treasure that loans you $6. It's a nice hunk of change, but you have to pay it all back. At least there's no interest. And hey maybe you aren't getting another turn anyway.

So there you have it, Debt. And there's another preview today and then I'll have split piles tomorrow.
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2016, 12:09:17 pm »
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2016, 12:11:08 pm »
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Reserved for insightful edit.  ;D

Well this opens a lot of strategic avenues and that's great,  especially if you focus on gaining rather than buying.
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2016, 12:12:21 pm »
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Can you buy a debt card, pay of the debt, and then buy another debt card?
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2016, 12:14:37 pm »
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Can you buy a debt card, pay of the debt, and then buy another debt card?

Yes, assuming you have 2 Buys.
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2016, 12:15:03 pm »
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I feel, I'm indebted to Donald for this preview!
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2016, 12:15:27 pm »
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2016, 12:17:09 pm »
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2016, 12:17:17 pm »
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The one tricky thing is how these things work when cards compare costs. There it works like Potion: apples and oranges. A reddish hexagon with an 8 isn't more or less than $3.

Prediction: The red hexagons are gunpowders

Close enough. They even disappear once you've "used" them.

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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2016, 12:20:09 pm »
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I love the idea of taking multiple turns to buy a card. I hope there is an event which allows you to turn another pile into a debt pile.
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2016, 12:22:00 pm »
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Oh, Capital + Herbalist!
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2016, 12:23:31 pm »
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Interesting as always. So we've already seen a quarter of all the red hexagons, hmm... -VP was the first penalty that came to my mind for guessing how debt would work. Not being able to buy things is certainly a good incentive, though.

And Events are the grand finale, not Landmarks? Must be some pretty cool Events. Exciting!
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2016, 12:24:20 pm »
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One question, May I pay my debt when I want (after playing few market for example and just before playing a storryteller) ?
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2016, 12:25:12 pm »
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These would be great Disciple targets.   ;D
Also Jester but not Haggler,  so many interesting interactions.
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2016, 12:26:41 pm »
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Oh, Capital + Herbalist!
You mean Counterfeit.

No discard = free $12.
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2016, 12:27:00 pm »
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One question, May I pay my debt when I want (after playing few market for example and just before playing a storryteller) ?

You can pay off Debt tokens in your Buy phase, before and/or after buying cards, at $1 per token.
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2016, 12:27:52 pm »
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This is so cool! I'm excited for the community trying to figure out how to best use these. One thing I'm bummed about is that I had a fan card idea pretty similar to Royal Blacksmith. It's different enough, I guess I could still use it. Combo with Counting House!
I really feel like I'm going to waver back and forth on how cautious to be with the debt cards.

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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2016, 12:29:12 pm »
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Oh, Capital + Herbalist!
You mean Counterfeit.

No discard = free $12.

No, I think he means Herbalist. No discard = free $6 every turn. I'm not sure if that actually works though.

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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2016, 12:30:03 pm »
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Buying debt cards while possessing someoen sounds pretty good.
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2016, 12:32:01 pm »
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Buying debt cards while possessing someoen sounds pretty good.

Especially before he gets his own possession.


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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2016, 12:33:26 pm »
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I always thought there would be a Capitol card - some kind of really powerful village. I guess Capital makes that unlikely.
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2016, 12:33:30 pm »
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"Warning - while you were reading 5 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post."

Must be a preview thread...

Anyway, so you can trash one of these cards with Apprentice and draw 0 cards.

I'm curious if we'll see any cards that cost both debt and coin. Probably not. But it does seem that you can remodel a City Quarter into a Royal Blacksmith, and vice-versa, because " + 8 debt" is up to more than " + 8 debt." And when you do gain a Royal Blacksmith like this, you wouldn't take any debt tokens. Right?
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2016, 12:35:03 pm »
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One question, May I pay my debt when I want (after playing few market for example and just before playing a storryteller) ?

You can pay off Debt tokens in your Buy phase, before and/or after buying cards, at $1 per token.

This is why Capital's last clause is needed; it allows paying off Debt during cleanup.
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2016, 12:35:47 pm »
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All of this debt seems really expensive to me. I wouldn't value being able to pay later and not buying anything till then so highly intuitively.
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Re: Empires Previews #1: Debt
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2016, 12:36:05 pm »
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Buying debt cards while possessing someoen sounds pretty good.

Also playing a bunch of Royal Blacksmiths and then triggering a shuffle.

Also I love this art!
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