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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #600 on: August 31, 2016, 04:27:03 pm »
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This is an entry level software engineer position:

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Google-Software-Engineer-II-San-Jose-Salaries-EJI_IE9079.0,6_KO7,27_IL.28,36_IM761.htm

Glassdoor says 144k in total comp.  I assure you that glassdoor is always a little low, maybe because they include multiple trailing years without accounting for growth.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #601 on: August 31, 2016, 05:04:43 pm »
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This is an entry level software engineer position:

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Google-Software-Engineer-II-San-Jose-Salaries-EJI_IE9079.0,6_KO7,27_IL.28,36_IM761.htm

Glassdoor says 144k in total comp.  I assure you that glassdoor is always a little low, maybe because they include multiple trailing years without accounting for growth.

Software Engineer II isn't entry level; not unless Google defines things in a weird and different way than other places... Software Engineer I would be entry level. II would be around 3 years experience.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #602 on: August 31, 2016, 05:06:42 pm »
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This is an entry level software engineer position:

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Google-Software-Engineer-II-San-Jose-Salaries-EJI_IE9079.0,6_KO7,27_IL.28,36_IM761.htm

Glassdoor says 144k in total comp.  I assure you that glassdoor is always a little low, maybe because they include multiple trailing years without accounting for growth.

Software Engineer II isn't entry level; not unless Google defines things in a weird and different way than other places... Software Engineer I would be entry level. II would be around 3 years experience.

Not wanting to choose sides in the battle between starting indexes at 0 or 1, Software Engineers index at 2.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #603 on: August 31, 2016, 05:10:41 pm »
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I started a fresh out of undergrad software engineer position 1 year, 3 months ago, at 20$ an hour plus like 5$ an hour in benefits.

Bam, data.

I didn't negotiate super hard and live somewhere where my rent is 400/mo but if 160k entry level is normal in any sense of the word i need to save a few paychecks and order some cyanide.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #604 on: August 31, 2016, 05:14:28 pm »
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I started out of college at $40k, 10 years ago, in the Boston area.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #605 on: August 31, 2016, 05:19:25 pm »
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I started out of dropping out of high school, in 1985. I was so excited to get a programming job that I forgot to say anything about salary (note my incredible greed). They did not miss this and so I started at $4.25 an hour.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #606 on: August 31, 2016, 05:22:41 pm »
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I started out of dropping out of high school, in 1985. I was so excited to get a programming job that I forgot to say anything about salary (note my incredible greed). They did not miss this and so I started at $4.25 an hour.

It's possible that you just suck at being greedy.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #607 on: August 31, 2016, 05:25:37 pm »
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I started out of college at $40k, 10 years ago, in the Boston area.

Same here, in Minneapolis.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #608 on: August 31, 2016, 05:26:56 pm »
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I started out of dropping out of high school, in 1985. I was so excited to get a programming job that I forgot to say anything about salary (note my incredible greed). They did not miss this and so I started at $4.25 an hour.

I think your Greed is indeed incredible, it's my second favorite of yours.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #609 on: August 31, 2016, 05:27:16 pm »
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I started out of college at $55k 9 years ago in the midwest.

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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #610 on: August 31, 2016, 05:27:40 pm »
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I started out of dropping out of high school, in 1985. I was so excited to get a programming job that I forgot to say anything about salary (note my incredible greed). They did not miss this and so I started at $4.25 an hour.

I think your Greed is indeed incredible, it's my second favorite of yours.

He has the best greed. Other people's greed is loser greed. His greed always wins.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #611 on: August 31, 2016, 06:26:50 pm »
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I'm starting to think there are a lot of Dominion players that are programmers.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #612 on: August 31, 2016, 06:27:13 pm »
+2

I started out of dropping out of high school, in 1985. I was so excited to get a programming job that I forgot to say anything about salary (note my incredible greed). They did not miss this and so I started at $4.25 an hour.

I think your Greed is indeed incredible, it's my second favorite of yours.

He has the best greed. Other people's greed is loser greed. His greed always wins.

Donald is a great man, a good friend. He has the best greed, real American greed, can't beat that greed. When I am president, he will get all the best greedy deals with other countries, very important man, very good.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #613 on: August 31, 2016, 06:46:21 pm »
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My brother just got a job right after graduating with a computer science degree and is starting at 66k.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #614 on: August 31, 2016, 07:09:27 pm »
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I'm starting to think there are a lot of Dominion players that are programmers.

I think a lot of the skills to be good at Dominion are similar skills to writing passable software. It's a certain kind of algorithmic and structured thinking that seems to predispose somebody to either or both things.

Not a professional programmer, though I'm considering some kind of early career change and going into software because writing scripts and looking at code is by far the most enjoyable part of my work so far.

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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #615 on: August 31, 2016, 07:18:31 pm »
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I graduated with a CS degree 2 years ago and started at 60k. I probably could have made more if I had gone into the public sector, but I pretty much kept the job I got as a student at the university.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #616 on: August 31, 2016, 09:45:02 pm »
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I'm starting to think there are a lot of Dominion players that are programmers.

I think a lot of the skills to be good at Dominion are similar skills to writing passable software. It's a certain kind of algorithmic and structured thinking that seems to predispose somebody to either or both things.

Not a professional programmer, though I'm considering some kind of early career change and going into software because writing scripts and looking at code is by far the most enjoyable part of my work so far.

I'm a physicist; we have to do a depressing amount of our own programming.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #617 on: September 01, 2016, 12:01:56 am »
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I'm starting to think there are a lot of Dominion players that are programmers.

I think a lot of the skills to be good at Dominion are similar skills to writing passable software. It's a certain kind of algorithmic and structured thinking that seems to predispose somebody to either or both things.

Not a professional programmer, though I'm considering some kind of early career change and going into software because writing scripts and looking at code is by far the most enjoyable part of my work so far.

I'm a physicist; we have to do a depressing amount of our own programming.

I'm starting my physics degree in less than a month, and I already do a lot of programming.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #618 on: September 01, 2016, 10:13:34 am »
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For current physicists: I admire what you do.

For perspective physicists: beware that your career path will start to get narrower and narrower once you are into graduate school. The sad thing is that you can't really learn all that much physics without at least trying for a PhD for a couple of years.

(This is from a ex-postdoc in theoretical physics.)

I don't think playing dominion is like programming all that much. Programming (messy things aside) is like, thinking about the best way for the computer to do things. Playing Dominion is like actually doing those calculations. Yeah developing a good framework to think about it (especially if the rules are heuristic) will be a good first step; but to really be good there still needs to be calculations and that's how simulators are handy if we want to be really good.

Designing a good board game, on the other hand, I think have more in common with designing a good program. And lots of extra.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #619 on: September 01, 2016, 01:08:50 pm »
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Getting a math degree instead if a full-blown cs degree probably costs me about 5k
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #620 on: September 01, 2016, 04:15:23 pm »
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I definitely should have gone into industry rather than (ancillary) academia; all of these salaries except Donald's are higher than any salary I've ever had.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #621 on: September 01, 2016, 05:07:41 pm »
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Yes but then who would be here to make me feel better about shaving the edge off of my earning potential when I flipflopped my Math/CS major/minor? Donald made a smash hit board game, he's no help.
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #622 on: September 01, 2016, 05:32:38 pm »
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Getting a math degree instead if a full-blown cs degree probably costs me about 5k

But getting a math degree is worth every penny of that!
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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #623 on: September 01, 2016, 07:43:05 pm »
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Yes but then who would be here to make me feel better about shaving the edge off of my earning potential when I flipflopped my Math/CS major/minor? Donald made a smash hit board game, he's no help.
me?  I work at Dairy Queen.
I have a BA, but I made the stupid choice of majoring in music, which is made all the more stupid in my case because I'm not even a musician. I minored in English. An english major doesn't provide high paying career paths as easily as others mentioned here, but it would've been better than music.

I have dabbled in a little in hacky programming when I made my own variant of a roguelike computer game, but I'm far from being a good enough programmer to get paid for it.

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Re: Creating Dominion
« Reply #624 on: September 01, 2016, 07:59:24 pm »
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You don't actually have to be a programmer at all to get paid for being a programmer, I'm learning.  There's lots of coattail surfing routes and the like.  They probably don't result in huge pensions.  But it's pretty ironic at times.
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