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Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Mine
« Reply #50 on: May 09, 2019, 02:30:17 pm »
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They're not supposed to be used together in one game, so there's no argument that the worse card would be useless in a game with both.

There's no rule preventing you from continuing to use the 1E cards. They don't exist online anymore, but I (and I'm sure I'm not alone on this) still own the physical copies, and use them sometimes (except Saboteur, which I don't use for other reasons).
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Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Mine
« Reply #51 on: May 09, 2019, 03:50:56 pm »
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I like Mine.

I think giving mine +1 action would be a better way of making it a decent albeit not great card.  As is it really kind of sucks.

We already went down that rabbit hole with Rebuild let's not do that kind of shit willy nilly again

I respectfully disagree. The problem with Rebuild is that it allows you to effectively skip building your deck up. Once you can get to $5, you're good. Pageant once let you convert any number of $ into Coffers, and it had a similar issue. After getting a Silver or two, it was faster to just save your $ every turn and buy only Provinces.

I feel pretty safe in saying that non-terminal Mine wouldn't have this issue. I mean the entire function of Mine is to build up your deck. And to be clear, by "build up your deck", I mean build up what it can do. Rebuild doesn't build up what your deck can do.
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Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Mine
« Reply #52 on: May 09, 2019, 04:18:14 pm »
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Why couldn't a second edition card be strictly better than a replaced one? They're not supposed to be used together in one game, so there's no argument that the worse card would be useless in a game with both.
Absolutely the only problem with strictly better cards is that some people hate them - hate that they exist. I don't want to generate that hate and don't need to.

I don't know how much those people would have hated e.g. an Adventurer replacement that's strictly better than Adventurer, given that the card was officially being retired. There was no need to risk it and I didn't.
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Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Mine
« Reply #53 on: May 10, 2019, 05:32:10 am »
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They're not supposed to be used together in one game, so there's no argument that the worse card would be useless in a game with both.

There's no rule preventing you from continuing to use the 1E cards. They don't exist online anymore, but I (and I'm sure I'm not alone on this) still own the physical copies, and use them sometimes (except Saboteur, which I don't use for other reasons).

Of course you can continue using them (I also do for some of then, as I don't own the 2E cards), but they're not meant to be used TOGETHER with the replacement cards, and it would be absurd to complain about a replacement being better than the original, since that's the whole point of replacing those duds.
(Whether you replace them with new cards that are almost always better or with strictly better/cheaper versions of the originals is more a matter of taste for me - personally, I'd prefer "fixing  " the duds over scrapping them altogether...)
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Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Mine
« Reply #54 on: May 10, 2019, 10:50:35 am »
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I like Mine.

I think giving mine +1 action would be a better way of making it a decent albeit not great card.  As is it really kind of sucks.

We already went down that rabbit hole with Rebuild let's not do that kind of shit willy nilly again

No +Action would make Rebuild completely unplayable.

...why am I defending rebuild again...?
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Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Mine
« Reply #55 on: May 10, 2019, 11:06:56 am »
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No +Action would make Rebuild completely unplayable.

Well, Rebuild isn't super strong as it is.
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Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Mine
« Reply #56 on: May 10, 2019, 11:33:58 am »
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They're not supposed to be used together in one game, so there's no argument that the worse card would be useless in a game with both.

There's no rule preventing you from continuing to use the 1E cards. They don't exist online anymore, but I (and I'm sure I'm not alone on this) still own the physical copies, and use them sometimes (except Saboteur, which I don't use for other reasons).

Of course you can continue using them (I also do for some of then, as I don't own the 2E cards), but they're not meant to be used TOGETHER with the replacement cards, and it would be absurd to complain about a replacement being better than the original, since that's the whole point of replacing those duds.
(Whether you replace them with new cards that are almost always better or with strictly better/cheaper versions of the originals is more a matter of taste for me - personally, I'd prefer "fixing  " the duds over scrapping them altogether...)

I personally wouldn't complain about a replacement being strictly better than the original, and in that case I probably would stop using the original and switch to the replacement. Mill/Great Hall doesn't count because Great Hall costs less, so I still use Great Hall. But, my point is that because I still use the original cards, and might even use them in the same game as the replacements, and it is generally a good assumption that people exist who are more extreme than me, that means that there are probably people who would complain a lot.
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Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Mine
« Reply #57 on: May 10, 2019, 12:14:57 pm »
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I like Mine.

I think giving mine +1 action would be a better way of making it a decent albeit not great card.  As is it really kind of sucks.

We already went down that rabbit hole with Rebuild let's not do that kind of shit willy nilly again

No +Action would make Rebuild completely unplayable.

...why am I defending rebuild again...?

Hard disagree.  I've played many games where I go Rebuild/BM, and maybe once if at all each game do I play multiple Rebuilds in a turn.
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