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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #200 on: April 08, 2016, 04:40:08 pm »
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This dude, actually seems pretty playable:

http://imgur.com/Ei1ji8v

Shoggoth the Slitherer
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I mean yes it's expensive, but it's a giant Taunt minion that's really hard to get rid of.
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #201 on: April 08, 2016, 04:45:00 pm »
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Is silence an "ability" or is "ability" a reference to hero powers?

EDIT: So I looked at the linked graphic. It can be silenced. Enough said.
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #202 on: April 08, 2016, 04:51:52 pm »
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Is silence an "ability" or is "ability" a reference to hero powers?

EDIT: So I looked at the linked graphic. It can be silenced. Enough said.

But only by spells that don't target, like Mass Dispel.  You couldn't target it with Owl or Silence or Keeper.
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #203 on: April 08, 2016, 04:53:55 pm »
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This dude, actually seems pretty playable:

http://imgur.com/Ei1ji8v

Shoggoth the Slitherer
9 mana Legendary
5/9
Taunt
Untargetable by spells and abilities.

I mean yes it's expensive, but it's a giant Taunt minion that's really hard to get rid of.

Oh yeah, definitely going to try this out in Control Warrior.

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Is silence an "ability" or is "ability" a reference to hero powers?

EDIT: So I looked at the linked graphic. It can be silenced. Enough said.

But only by spells that don't target, like Mass Dispel.  You couldn't target it with Owl or Silence or Keeper.

No, it's just basic Faerie Dragon shroud according to the image. But that's still incredibly good.
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #204 on: April 08, 2016, 04:55:49 pm »
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Is silence an "ability" or is "ability" a reference to hero powers?

EDIT: So I looked at the linked graphic. It can be silenced. Enough said.

But only by spells that don't target, like Mass Dispel.  You couldn't target it with Owl or Silence or Keeper.

That is incorrect. It's untargetable by spells and hero powers. That does not include Minion-based abilities like those of Owl and Keeper. It's immune to the Priest Silence Spell though.
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #205 on: April 08, 2016, 04:59:08 pm »
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Also have you guys seen Blood of the Ancient One yet?

http://imgur.com/vteurIs

It seems not great because it's so expensive, but it also seems like it would be super fun to build a deck around with cards like the new Priest Legendary and Faceless Manip, etc.

This dude, actually seems pretty playable:

http://imgur.com/Ei1ji8v

Shoggoth the Slitherer
9 mana Legendary
5/9
Taunt
Untargetable by spells and abilities.

I mean yes it's expensive, but it's a giant Taunt minion that's really hard to get rid of.

Oh yeah, definitely going to try this out in Control Warrior.

That's what I was thinking, seems very Control Warrior oriented, especially with Blood Warriors.
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #206 on: April 08, 2016, 05:08:27 pm »
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Is silence an "ability" or is "ability" a reference to hero powers?

EDIT: So I looked at the linked graphic. It can be silenced. Enough said.

But only by spells that don't target, like Mass Dispel.  You couldn't target it with Owl or Silence or Keeper.

That is incorrect. It's untargetable by spells and hero powers. That does not include Minion-based abilities like those of Owl and Keeper. It's immune to the Priest Silence Spell though.

Yeah, he didn't read the card text, either. I was excited at the prospect of blocking all "abilities" but, alas, this is not a new mechanic after all.
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #207 on: April 08, 2016, 05:18:47 pm »
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Also have you guys seen Blood of the Ancient One yet?

http://imgur.com/vteurIs

It seems not great because it's so expensive, but it also seems like it would be super fun to build a deck around with cards like the new Priest Legendary and Faceless Manip, etc.

This dude, actually seems pretty playable:

http://imgur.com/Ei1ji8v

Shoggoth the Slitherer
9 mana Legendary
5/9
Taunt
Untargetable by spells and abilities.

I mean yes it's expensive, but it's a giant Taunt minion that's really hard to get rid of.

Oh yeah, definitely going to try this out in Control Warrior.

That's what I was thinking, seems very Control Warrior oriented, especially with Blood Warriors.

I suspect Soggoth will be very good against Control Warrior, and also Control Priest. It forces those decks to have Minion-based answers, or run The Black Knight. But I guess Control Warrior is really good at surviving to Turn 9 in the first place.

One card I found quite cool is Spreading Madness:
http://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/card-discussion/130268-new-warlock-card-spreading-madness
3 mana Warlock Rare spell that deals 9 damage split across all minions characters.

I want to try that out in a deck with Floating Watcher, Patron, Nerubian Egg, and other cards that help or are helped by board flood along with some typical zoo stuff.

Edit: formatting.
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #208 on: April 08, 2016, 05:19:44 pm »
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Is silence an "ability" or is "ability" a reference to hero powers?

EDIT: So I looked at the linked graphic. It can be silenced. Enough said.

But only by spells that don't target, like Mass Dispel.  You couldn't target it with Owl or Silence or Keeper.

That is incorrect. It's untargetable by spells and hero powers. That does not include Minion-based abilities like those of Owl and Keeper. It's immune to the Priest Silence Spell though.

Yeah, he didn't read the card text, either. I was excited at the prospect of blocking all "abilities" but, alas, this is not a new mechanic after all.

Isn't it just a big Faerie Dragon?  I didn't think you could Owl the shiny minions.
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #209 on: April 08, 2016, 05:20:47 pm »
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Is silence an "ability" or is "ability" a reference to hero powers?

EDIT: So I looked at the linked graphic. It can be silenced. Enough said.

But only by spells that don't target, like Mass Dispel.  You couldn't target it with Owl or Silence or Keeper.

That is incorrect. It's untargetable by spells and hero powers. That does not include Minion-based abilities like those of Owl and Keeper. It's immune to the Priest Silence Spell though.

Yeah, he didn't read the card text, either. I was excited at the prospect of blocking all "abilities" but, alas, this is not a new mechanic after all.

Isn't it just a big Faerie Dragon?  I didn't think you could Owl the shiny minions.

Ah but you can. The more you know.
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #210 on: April 08, 2016, 05:53:40 pm »
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I suspect Soggoth will be very good against Control Warrior, and also Control Priest. It forces those decks to have Minion-based answers, or run The Black Knight. But I guess Control Warrior is really good at surviving to Turn 9 in the first place.

Well, Control Warrior has a lot of Minion-based answers, namely just really big minions that trade 1:1 or better with Soggoth. And it has enough of them that it doesn't really hurt you too much if you have to lose one so that you can deal with your opponent's 9-drop.
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #211 on: April 08, 2016, 06:10:29 pm »
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I suspect Soggoth will be very good against Control Warrior, and also Control Priest. It forces those decks to have Minion-based answers, or run The Black Knight. But I guess Control Warrior is really good at surviving to Turn 9 in the first place.

Well, Control Warrior has a lot of Minion-based answers, namely just really big minions that trade 1:1 or better with Soggoth. And it has enough of them that it doesn't really hurt you too much if you have to lose one so that you can deal with your opponent's 9-drop.
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #212 on: April 13, 2016, 05:40:48 pm »
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Bunch of new cards. Some seem interesting.

New Deathwing, 10 mana 12/12

Deathrattle: Summon all the dragons from your hand.

It's pretty slow, so I doubt it'll make the cut even for dragon decks, if they're a thing. But if decks slow down in general dragon deck might see some play, and this could be a win condition/ huge end game threat.

Also, have people checked out the Yogg-Soron simulator? A few streamers have done some math and they're saying it's like 65% overall good effects for you, 30% bad effects for you and the rest of the spells fizzle. I'd like to see more detailed analysis though, since that's just Trumps random quotes.
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #213 on: April 13, 2016, 05:49:25 pm »
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https://www.reddit.com/r/WOGPRDT/comments/4ec7o7/prerelease_card_discussion_twilight_summoner/

This card seems pretty good for Raptor Rogue (if it is still playable in Standard).

Edit:
4 mana Neutral Minion
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Deathrattle: Summon a 5/5.

Edit 2:
That Earth Shock value.
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #214 on: April 13, 2016, 06:10:26 pm »
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I think Raptor Rogue has the best shot with that card. It's slow for Zoo, and even slow for N'Zoth. But again, if the meta really does become slow enough for this to be run in anything besides raptor rogue, I could be reasonably strong.
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #215 on: April 13, 2016, 06:11:37 pm »
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I think Raptor Rogue has the best shot with that card. It's slow for Zoo, and even slow for N'Zoth. But again, if the meta really does become slow enough for this to be run in anything besides raptor rogue, I could be reasonably strong.

It's also a decent card to play into N'Zoth's Tentacle, sorta.
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #216 on: April 14, 2016, 12:19:55 pm »
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I kind of really want to play with Yogg-Saron.
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #217 on: April 14, 2016, 02:23:54 pm »
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Begin the theory crafting:

Shadowcaster
http://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/card-discussion/132569-new-rogue-card-shadowcaster
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Battlecry: Choose a friendly Minion. Add a 1/1 copy to your hand that costs (1).

5 mana keeps it from being played with the 6+ mana cards (Auctioneer, Thaurissan, Sylvanas, etc.) on the same turn without Thaurissan/Coin. If anything does stick though, this can become very potent. Extra copy of N'Zoth/Yogg-Saron? Blood of the Ancient One? Wobbling Runts even? The cards we've seen so far push Rogue towards a value strategy. Will it all pan out?
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #218 on: April 14, 2016, 02:48:06 pm »
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Thaurissan, Coin, OR Shadowstep.
It's great with Deathrattle minions that people want to race instead of dealing with.

(with the shadowstep route you're probably going for battlecries, though, ofc)
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #219 on: April 14, 2016, 03:20:10 pm »
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What if you Thaurissian/Gadgetzan/Sylvanas-Conceal to do it next turn? That seems reasonably hard to remove.
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« Reply #220 on: April 14, 2016, 03:56:29 pm »
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What if you Thaurissian/Gadgetzan/Sylvanas-Conceal to do it next turn? That seems reasonably hard to remove.

But like, you're already in business combining those cards with Conceal. As in, you're already in a very strong position. If you plan to combo it with this card, then you have even more cards dependent on you drawing that Conceal.
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« Reply #221 on: April 14, 2016, 04:18:45 pm »
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What if you Thaurissian/Gadgetzan/Sylvanas-Conceal to do it next turn? That seems reasonably hard to remove.

But like, you're already in business combining those cards with Conceal. As in, you're already in a very strong position. If you plan to combo it with this card, then you have even more cards dependent on you drawing that Conceal.

I could see it being run in Miracle where there's lots of good minions to make copies of. I mean it's huge if you get to copy a Gadgetzan, Emperor (or Malygos???), but you're still happy if you copy a Thalnos, Azure or Loot Horder (or Brann/Novice Engineer/Scarab if you're going to fully embrace the Battlecry route).
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #222 on: April 14, 2016, 05:01:36 pm »
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(or Malygos???)
Yeah, that'd be sweet, but Malygos costing 9 mana makes it hard to combo. Imagine if there were a way to reduce the cost of Shadowcaster to 1 mana...
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Re: Wispers of the Old Gods
« Reply #223 on: April 14, 2016, 05:41:08 pm »
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Well, the combos are definitely there. If Rogue can keep up its "Miracle" draw, then this card can be very potent.
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« Reply #224 on: April 14, 2016, 05:42:44 pm »
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(or Malygos???)
Yeah, that'd be sweet, but Malygos costing 9 mana makes it hard to combo. Imagine if there were a way to reduce the cost of Shadowcaster to 1 mana...

Use it one itself! I figured it out! That's a real late game play though. You seem to shadowcaster another copy on turn 10, the earliest, then also have not played the malygos. But still a really cool concept.
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