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[Roadrunner7671]

I was thinking about Dominion, and this thought struck me. Abandoned Mine is supposedly the best Ruin, but you'd almost always rather have a Copper over an Abandoned Mine. Ruined Market, however, has the potential to fill the much-needed-+buy gap. In my situation, please pretend that Ruins are in the supply not because there is a looter on the board, but because your gaming group wanted to have them in the supply to jazz things up a little. So, given the choice between Copper and Ruined Market (assuming buying nothing is not an option) which one would you rather buy/buy more often? I included Survivors and Ruined Library because I suppose I could see someone justifying Survivors over either Copper or Ruined Market. Ruined Library is sort of there for anyone who thinks, somehow, Ruined Library is better than any of the other options.

Thanks!

[AdrianHealey]

If you need a +buy, a ruined market could even be better than a Mountebank.

[Roadrunner7671]

If you need a +buy, a ruined market could even be better than a Mountebank.

Yet I notice that no one has yet voted for Ruined Market, not even you!

[Marcory]

In the 2015 Qvist rankings, Ruined Market was 1st over Abandoned Mine. http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14156.0

This is mainly because Ruined Market is normally the only ruin that has the potential to actually improve your deck, when it occurs on a board without other +Buy.

But I think you're better off necro-ing the Ruins thread that starting a new one.

[AdrianHealey]

If you need a +buy, a ruined market could even be better than a Mountebank.

Yet I notice that no one has yet voted for Ruined Market, not even you!

Edge cases is not something you use to judge your general opinion on

[Roadrunner7671]

But I think you're better off necro-ing the Ruins thread that starting a new one.

You might be right, but I've found that people generally like to vote in polls (myself included, I think polls are awesome), as instead of writing a paragraph, they can just anonymously click a bubble, voice their opinion then go on with their lives without actually getting involved.   

[Limetime]

I would vote moat.

[2.71828.....]

Depends on the board.....

[Roadrunner7671]

Depends on the board.....

This is very true.

[J Reggie]

Are you planning to add a fifth option for Curse?

[Roadrunner7671]

Are you planning to add a fifth option for Curse?

I might add a fifth option for Scout, but that would significantly lower my opinion on this community. 

[markusin]

Depends on the board.....

This is very true.

Indeed, there are many boards where Ruined Market is the worst or second worst Ruin to have. This is especially true if you get it early.

[iguanaiguana]

Are you planning to add a fifth option for Curse?

I might add a fifth option for Scout, but that would significantly lower my opinion on this community. 

You mean ruined village?

[Roadrunner7671]

Are you planning to add a fifth option for Curse?

I might add a fifth option for Scout, but that would significantly lower my opinion on this community. 

You mean ruined village?

That was a low blow, but fear not, for I am quick to recover.

Also, it's possible that this post might cause you to make it to the Scout Archives under the section 'Scout Criticism.' Don't worry, 'Iguanaiguana,' I am prepared to do battle with you and any other haters!

[Drab Emordnilap]

But I think you're better off necro-ing the Ruins thread that starting a new one.

Necro is a Shelter, not a Ruin.

[faust]

Well I certainly prefer starting with 7 Coppers in the deck to starting with 7 Ruined Markets.

[Aleimon Thimble]

I would say that in most cases, Copper is still way better than any ruin.

Of the ruins, Ruined Market is the best one because it's the only one you might buy voluntarily, if you desperately need +Buy. But there are also cases where you would buy Copper voluntarily, for example in some rushes or slogs. And if you want to buy something just for the buy, in a Goons or Merchant Guild engine for example, would you ever buy any Ruin over Copper? I don't think I would.

[wachsmuth]

And if you want to buy something just for the buy, in a Goons or Merchant Guild engine for example, would you ever buy any Ruin over Copper? I don't think I would.

Because of pile endings, buying ruins like that is surprisingly often relevant, since you'll be swimming in +buys anyway.

[Aleimon Thimble]

And if you want to buy something just for the buy, in a Goons or Merchant Guild engine for example, would you ever buy any Ruin over Copper? I don't think I would.

Because of pile endings, buying ruins like that is surprisingly often relevant, since you'll be swimming in +buys anyway.

Yeah, okay. You've succesfully edge cased me.

Would you ever buy any Ruin over Copper in a Goons/Merchant Guild deck if you expected the card you bought to show up in your hand?

[Chris is me]

And if you want to buy something just for the buy, in a Goons or Merchant Guild engine for example, would you ever buy any Ruin over Copper? I don't think I would.

Because of pile endings, buying ruins like that is surprisingly often relevant, since you'll be swimming in +buys anyway.

Yeah, okay. You've succesfully edge cased me.

Would you ever buy any Ruin over Copper in a Goons/Merchant Guild deck if you expected the card you bought to show up in your hand?

If your draw card is Scrying Pool, absolutely!

[Watno]

So, given the choice between Copper and Ruined Market (assuming buying nothing is not an option) which one would you rather buy/buy more often?

This is an entirely different question than the one in the poll.
There are probably more situations where you'd want BUY Ruined Market rather than Copper, given that both are available. However, in the much more common situation that you want to have neither (and therefore would choose to buy nothing instead), taking a Copper would be less bad than a Ruined Market.

[Kirian]

Depends on the board.....

This is more than just a base level of true in this case, though; there is an obvious dichotomy.  Let's posit the following (weak) attack:

Pretty Awful Attack
$2 Action-Attack
Each other player gains a Copper or a Ruined Market, their choice.

Which do your opponents choose?  Well, if there is no +Buy available, on the firest play it almost always makes sense to take the Ruined Market.  If there are large numbers of villages and draw, it might even be useful to take two or three.

But if there is other +Buy available, it's almost certainly better to take the Copper.

[Davio]

Also depends on the stage of the game.

In the early game, +Buy is often pretty useful, so the Copper is better to help you reach $5+ cards.
Later on, if you do have an engine, that single Copper doesn't matter much, so +Buy is often better.

[Roadrunner7671]

Also depends on the stage of the game.

In the early game, +Buy is often pretty useful, so the Copper is better to help you reach $5+ cards.
Later on, if you do have an engine, that single Copper doesn't matter much, so +Buy is often better.

In the early game, +buy is prettu useless don't you mean?

But this is something to consider, too.

[Witherweaver]

Well I certainly prefer starting with 7 Coppers in the deck to starting with 7 Ruined Markets.

You can buy Coppers so much faster with 7 Ruined Markets, though.