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Have a big turn
« on: January 16, 2016, 01:13:56 am »
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Some new records now that we have the Adventures expansion.

  • During a single turn, embargo the curse pile 750 times.
  • Have 2500 buys at some moment in the action phase.
  • During a single turn, play 6000 actions.
  • [hard mode] do all above things in the same turn.
  • [Celestial Chameleon mode] Solve hard mode with each number in the items above multiplied by 1000. So embargo Curse 750k times, have 2.5 million buys and play 6 million actions in the same turn.

Remarks: Do this in a solo game. You can choose the kingdom and any number of events. You may take any number of turns as preparation, and you may assume perfect shuffle luck. Playing an action means resolving its when-play effects, so this is the relevant number for buying conspirators. For example, playing KC-KC-Bridge-Bridge-Bridge counts as playing 13 actions, and playing BoM-as-Bridge counts as playing 2 actions. Possession (and similar) turns count as separate turns.

Note: I require having the buys in the action phase, because in the buy phase you can get as much buys as you want. You can use Procession-Procession-Champion + Graverobber to get as much actions as you want, then play Diadem to get as much coins as you want, and then buy Travelling Fairs to get as much buys as you want.
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Re: Have a big turn
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2016, 01:03:29 pm »
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Scout is involved. We know this.
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Re: Have a big turn
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2016, 01:16:51 pm »
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Question: Do you have answers to all of these? Not doubting that they are possible, just curious. Presumably at most two piles are empty prior to the turn too right? Max black market size of 25?
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Re: Have a big turn
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2016, 03:16:58 pm »
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Question: Do you have answers to all of these? Not doubting that they are possible, just curious.
Yes. I have a 500MB text file with all the moves ;) (7MB when compressed)

Presumably at most two piles are empty prior to the turn too right?
Correct. But this is usually not a problem: just play some gainers from the BM deck at the start of your turn to gain the remaining cards you need.

Max black market size of 25?
Feel free to use as many cards to it as you want, since there is no rule in Dominion limiting this. I try to make the rules as flexible as possible for puzzles like these. In my solution I use less than 10 cards from the BM deck, though.
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Re: Have a big turn
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2016, 08:32:19 pm »
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I can do the third one :)
Kingdom is
moat, moat, moat, moat, moat, moat,moat,moat,page,rougue; all events
Things too do during first 10000 turns
Aquire a champion
Play a champion every turn bonfiring it
Rogue it back up
Buy a moat

Then play all the moat and have a million actions




Edit:you can't have so many  moat in the kingdom

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Re: Have a big turn
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2016, 09:08:36 pm »
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[Celestial Chameleon mode] Solve hard mode with each number in the items above multiplied by 1000. So embargo Curse 750k times, have 2.5 million buys and play 6 million actions in the same turn.

I thought Celestial Chamaeleon mode would be to do all of the above on turn 4.
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Re: Have a big turn
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2016, 11:00:46 pm »
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Anyone wants to try this? Some hints:

- Suppose you have 5 Processions (and some other cards) in hand. Start a Procession chain, and in this chain play a single Procession card more than once (so play it twice before you finish resolving the first Procession you play). Now do this with only 4 Processions in hand, and without TR, KC or similar. Now look whether you can scale this.
- Try to get some ideas from the BoM wiki page [link]

I thought Celestial Chamaeleon mode would be to do all of the above on turn 4.
I'm quite sure this is actually possible (the hard mode at least)
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Re: Have a big turn
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2016, 04:11:56 am »
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Anyone wants to try this? Some hints:
- Suppose you have 5 Processions (and some other cards) in hand. Start a Procession chain, and in this chain play a single Procession card more than once (so play it twice before you finish resolving the first Procession you play). Now do this with only 4 Processions in hand, and without TR, KC or similar. Now look whether you can scale this.
- Try to get some ideas from the BoM wiki page [link]

For hint 1, something like:
Pr1->Pr2->Pr3
   Pr4->Moatx2
   Pr4->Moatx2
  Pr3->Graverobber(fetching Pr4)x2
 Pr2->Pr4

I remember trying something like this to solve a puzzle once, the only issue was I was spending way too many plays on replaying Procession and not on actually progressing with the puzzle... Plus you run out eventually.
Or, the super cheaty way
Pr1->Pr2->Pr3 resolves->Royal Carriage

I guess if you put +Buy token on Procession, you could get up pretty high on buys. And if you have BoM, you can BoM as Embargo and as Graverobber to fetch it back(b/c it's BoM in the trash so you choose again) and Procession will lose track.
Guesses at the kingdom:
Embargo, BoM, Procession, KC, TR, Graverobber
Black Market(Hireling for infinite cards, and 1 of every other card in existence...)
Adventures cards?
Page?(For Champion, infinite actions)
Peasant?(For Disciples)
Royal Carriage?
Probably all token granting events
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Re: Have a big turn
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2016, 12:15:41 am »
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I have to admit, I spent a couple of hours at work mapping out how many action cards you could play from various combinations of King's Court, Throne Room, Procession, and Disciple (I forgot Royal Carriage though). Then I got the thought "Hey, you can turn Processions OR Throne Rooms into Band of Misfits, which you can use as those cards, which you can Graverob back, which..." and then my brain imploded.

So I got a start. And I'm not going to get a finish.
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Re: Have a big turn
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2016, 12:21:41 am »
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I have to admit, I spent a couple of hours at work mapping out how many action cards you could play from various combinations of King's Court, Throne Room, Procession, and Disciple (I forgot Royal Carriage though). Then I got the thought "Hey, you can turn Processions OR Throne Rooms into Band of Misfits, which you can use as those cards, which you can Graverob back, which..." and then my brain imploded.

So I got a start. And I'm not going to get a finish.

1. Ferry Graverobbers
2. Start playing BoM as Processions and Graverobbers, gaining themselves in the process
3. ???
4. Profit
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Re: Have a big turn
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2016, 12:37:01 am »
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I have to admit, I spent a couple of hours at work mapping out how many action cards you could play from various combinations of King's Court, Throne Room, Procession, and Disciple (I forgot Royal Carriage though). Then I got the thought "Hey, you can turn Processions OR Throne Rooms into Band of Misfits, which you can use as those cards, which you can Graverob back, which..." and then my brain imploded.

So I got a start. And I'm not going to get a finish.

1. Ferry Graverobbers
2. Start playing BoM as Processions and Graverobbers, gaining themselves in the process
3. ???
4. Profit

Oops, Dominion.exe has crashed. Don't worry, I didn't know about the BoM/cost reducer glitch for a while either.
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Re: Have a big turn
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2016, 02:34:52 pm »
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Warning: Spoilers ahead!

Sorry for my late reaction. The main ingredients of my solution have been mentioned in this thread. You start a big Procession chain, using also BoM and inherited Estates as Procession. You Ferry Graverobbers so that you can play BoM as Graverobber. Some additional tricks:
  • Play a single Highway, so that you can Graverobber King's Court.
  • Put the +1 card token on BoM, so that you can draw BoM back immediately. This allows you to do tricks like the following:
Code: [Select]
Play KC 1
. Play BoM 1, choose Embargo
.. Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile, trash 'BoM 1'-as-Embargo
. Play BoM 1, choose Graverobber
.. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 1 from the trash
. Play BoM 1, draw BoM 1, choose Embargo
.. Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile [don't trash BoM 1, because of the lose track rule]

    Solution:

    Kingdom: King's Court, Band of Misfits, Procession, Embargo, Graverobber, Throne Room, Black Market
    BM deck: Highway, Scrying Pool, some gainers, some villages
    Events: Ferry, Pathfinding, Seaway, Inheritance
    No shelters, no colonies

    Preparation: use a couple of turns to do the following.
    • Put the +1 Card and +1 Buy token on BoM.
    • Ferry Graverobber, Inherit Procession.
    • Gain 10 KC, 10 BoM, 9 TR, 7 Estates (plus your 3 starting Estates) and 8 Processions.
    Final turn: use workshop-variants to gain the last TR and Estate. Play Highway. Use Scrying Pool to draw your deck, so that you have 10 TR, 10 KC, 10 BoM, 8 Proc, 11 Estates in hand. Now do the following (some steps in the middle have been omitted):
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    Play Estate 1
    . Play Estate 2
    .. Play Proc 1
    ... Play Proc 2
    ... . Play Proc 3
    ... .. Play Proc 4
    ... ... Play Proc 5
    ... ... . Play Proc 6
    ... ... .. Play Proc 7
    ... ... ... Play Proc 8
    ... ... ... . Play BoM 1, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... .. Play BoM 2, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... Play BoM 3, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 4, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 5, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 6, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 7, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 8, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 9, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 1
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (1), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (2)
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 1 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (3), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (4)
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Trash KC 1
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 9 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 2
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (5), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain KC 1 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 2 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw KC 1, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (6), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (7)
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Trash KC 2
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Trash BoM 9
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 8 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play KC 1
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (8), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain KC 2 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play KC 1 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw KC 2, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (9), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 9 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Trash KC 1
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Trash BoM 8
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 7 again
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play KC 2
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, draw BoM 9, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (10), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 8 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play KC 2 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, draw BoM 8, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (11), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain KC 1 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Trash KC 2
    ... ... ... ... ... . Trash BoM 7
    ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 6 again
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 8, draw KC 1, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 9, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play KC 1
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (12), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 7 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play KC 1 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw BoM 7, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (13), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain KC 2 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Trash KC 1
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 9 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 7, draw KC 2, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 2
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (14), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain KC 1 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 2 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw KC 1, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (15), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (16)
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Trash KC 2
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 7 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 1
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (17), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain KC 2 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 1 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw KC 2, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (18), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (19)
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Trash KC 1
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Trash BoM 7
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Trash BoM 9
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 8 again
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play KC 2
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (20), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 7 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play KC 2 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, draw BoM 7, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (21), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 9 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Trash KC 2
    ... ... ... ... ... . Trash BoM 8
    ... ... ... ... ... Trash BoM 6
    ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 5 again
    ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 7, draw BoM 9, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 9, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play KC 3
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (22), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 6 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play KC 3 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, draw BoM 6, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (23), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 8 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Trash KC 3
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 9 again
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 6, draw BoM 8, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 8, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 4
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (24), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain KC 1 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 4 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw KC 1, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (25), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain KC 2 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Trash KC 4
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 8 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 1
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw KC 2, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (26), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain KC 3 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 1 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw KC 3, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (27), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain KC 4 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Trash KC 1
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Trash BoM 8
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 6 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play KC 2
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw KC 4, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (28), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain KC 1 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play KC 2 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw KC 1, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (29), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 8 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Trash KC 2
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Trash BoM 6
    ... ... ... ... ... . Trash BoM 9
    ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 7 again
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 1
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 8, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (30), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 6 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 1 again
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 6, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (31), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 9 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... . Trash KC 1
    ... ... ... ... ... Trash BoM 7
    ... ... ... ... .. Trash BoM 5
    ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 4 again
    ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 6, draw BoM 9, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 8, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 9, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play KC 3
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (32), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 5 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play KC 3 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, draw BoM 5, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (33), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 7 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Trash KC 3
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 9 again
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 5, draw BoM 7, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 7, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 4
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (34), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain KC 1 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 4 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw KC 1, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (35), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain KC 2 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Trash KC 4
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 7 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 1
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw KC 2, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (36), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain KC 3 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 1 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw KC 3, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (37), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain KC 4 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Trash KC 1
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Trash BoM 7
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 5 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play KC 2
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw KC 4, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (38), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 7 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play KC 2 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw BoM 7, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (39), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain KC 1 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Trash KC 2
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Trash BoM 5
    ... ... ... ... ... . Trash BoM 9
    ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 8 again
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 7, draw KC 1, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play KC 1
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (40), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 5 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play KC 1 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, draw BoM 5, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (41), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 9 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Trash KC 1
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 7 again
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play KC 3
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 10, draw BoM 9, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (42), trash Embargo

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    . Play Estate 2 again
    .. Play Estate 3
    ... Play Proc 4
    ... . Play Proc 5
    ... .. Play Proc 6
    ... ... Play Proc 8
    ... ... . Play BoM 3, draw BoM 2, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... .. Play BoM 2, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... Play BoM 5, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... . Play BoM 8, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... .. Play BoM 9, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... Play KC 6
    ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... .. Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (64775), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain Proc 1 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... Play KC 6 again
    ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw Proc 1, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... .. Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (64776), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 1 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... Trash KC 6
    ... ... ... .. Play BoM 9 again
    ... ... ... ... Play Proc 1
    ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw BoM 1, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... .. Play KC 7
    ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 1, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (64777), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 1, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 1 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 1, draw BoM 1, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain Proc 2 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... .. Play KC 7 again
    ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 1, draw Proc 2, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (64778), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 1, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 1 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 1, draw BoM 1, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play Graverobber, gain BoM 4 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... .. Trash KC 7
    ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10 again
    ... ... ... ... .. Play Proc 2
    ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 1, draw BoM 4, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 8
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 4, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (64779), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 4, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 4 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 4, draw BoM 4, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain Proc 3 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 8 again
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 4, draw Proc 3, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (64780), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 4, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 4 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 4, draw BoM 4, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 6 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... . Trash KC 8
    ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 1 again
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play Proc 3
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 4, draw BoM 6, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play KC 9

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    ... ... ... . Play Estate 11 again
    ... ... ... .. Play TR 1
    ... ... ... ... Play Proc 3
    ... ... ... ... . Play Proc 5
    ... ... ... ... .. Play Proc 6
    ... ... ... ... ... Play Proc 8
    ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 3, draw BoM 2, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 2, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 5, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 8, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 9, choose Procession, play Procession
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play KC 6
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (645860), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain Proc 1 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play KC 6 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw Proc 1, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (645861), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 1 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Trash KC 6

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    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play BoM 9 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 10
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (775877), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (775878)
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . Play KC 10 again
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (775879), trash Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, choose Graverobber
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Graverobber, gain BoM 10 from the trash
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Play BoM 10, draw BoM 10, choose Embargo
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile (775880)
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . Trash KC 10
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Trash BoM 9
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Trash BoM 7
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . Trash BoM 8
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Trash BoM 5
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .. Trash Proc 8
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . Trash BoM 6
    ... ... ... .. Trash TR 1
    ... ... ... . Trash Estate 11
    ... ... ... Trash Estate 10
    ... ... .. Trash Estate 9
    ... ... . Trash Estate 8
    ... ... Trash Estate 7
    ... .. Trash Estate 6
    ... . Trash Estate 5
    ... Trash Estate 4
    .. Trash Estate 3
    . Trash Estate 2
    After all this, you have
    • ... embargoed the Curse pile 775880 times (using only BoM 10)
    • ... 2903651 buys (only from the +buy token on BoM)
    • ... played 6494732 actions (+ a couple from the gainers/villages/drawers before your Procession-chain).

    Some things to note / be careful about:
    • BoM will be played as Procession, Graverobber and Embargo, which means at least one of each of them has to stay in the supply. This means that you will only have 8 Processions in your deck: 1 is in the supply, and 1 is inherited.
    • It also means that you don't want to accidentally gain one of these cards with Procession. But this is okay: these cards cost (after Highway + Ferry cost reduction) $3, $2 and $1, while the only cards you Process are Procession, TR, oM, and KC, costing $3, $3, $4 and $6.

    The full text file with all moves (about 7 million lines; 7 MB after compression) or the Mathematica code to generate this file are available upon request.
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    Re: Have a big turn
    « Reply #12 on: May 07, 2016, 05:17:49 pm »
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    The full text file with all moves (about 7 million lines; 7 MB after compression) or the Mathematica code to generate this file are available upon request.

    Half a gigabyte of raw Dominion answer. This frightens me. How did you write all of this?
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    Re: Have a big turn
    « Reply #13 on: May 07, 2016, 05:41:53 pm »
    +1

    I could be wrong, but I think this is in error:

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    Play KC 1
    . Play BoM 1, choose Embargo
    .. Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile, trash 'BoM 1'-as-Embargo
    . Play BoM 1, choose Graverobber
    .. Play Graverobber, gain BoM 1 from the trash
    . Play BoM 1, draw BoM 1, choose Embargo
    .. Play Embargo, Embargo the Curse pile [don't trash BoM 1, because of the lose track rule]

    According to the wiki:
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    If you use Throne Room, King's Court, or Procession to play a Band of Misfits card multiple times, you only pick what to play it as the first time; the other times it is still copying the same card. For example, if you use Procession to play Band of Misfits twice and choose Fortress the first time, you will automatically replay it as Fortress, then trash the Band of Misfits, return it to your hand (it is a Fortress when it's trashed, and Fortress has a when-trashed ability that returns it to your hand), and gain an Action card costing exactly Coin6.png (Coin1.png more than Band of Misfits, which has left play and so is no longer copying Fortress).

    The play you describe should result in the Bom placing three tokens, not being trashed, gained, and drawn back. Unless my memory and the wiki are in error, you cannot change the mimicked card in the middle of Kc or other duplicate plays.

    Without that trick I do not think you can be anywhere near as card efficient. At best you can go Prssn -> Kc -> Prssn -> 3 cards. You will trash 4 cards and you will have 8 plays ... but you burn 2 Prssn per cycle that are not trashed an able to be gained again. A pure Prssn chain would trash 2n - 1 cards (of which n-1 will be Prssn or Estates/Bom as Prssn), but it only allows you 2n plays of cards so you spend 1 Prssn to get back 1 additional cards.

    Again, if I am misunderstanding some complexity of Bom/Prssn parsing please let me know, but this looks non-viable at the moment.

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    Re: Have a big turn
    « Reply #14 on: May 07, 2016, 06:52:56 pm »
    +1

    I could be wrong, but I think this is in error:

    [...]

    According to the wiki:
    [...]
    That is the default case. However, it works different with self-trashing cards.

    Also according to the wiki:
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    If you use Throne Room on Band of Misfits, choosing to play Band of Misfits as a self-trashing card (for example, Feast), the Band of Misfits will be in the trash after the first play as Feast, meaning it has left play. Throne Room then plays Band of Misfits again (getting token effects again, if there are any), allowing you to make a new choice as to what Band of Misfits should emulate. However, since Band of Misfits is in the trash, you will only get the on-play effects of the emulated card. Similar logic applies to one-shots that do not trash themselves, but still leave play, such as Island, as well as the case where there are no non-empty Action supply piles cheap enough for Band of Misfits to copy.
    • Under this ruling, it is possible for a multiplied Band of Misfits to trash itself (emulating any trashing one-shot), then gain itself back out of the trash (emulating Graverobber or Rogue, its cost reduced by Ferry).
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    Re: Have a big turn
    « Reply #15 on: May 07, 2016, 07:13:09 pm »
    +1

    Half a gigabyte of raw Dominion answer. This frightens me. How did you write all of this?
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    Re: Have a big turn
    « Reply #16 on: May 09, 2016, 03:32:37 am »
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    Originally Donald ruled that it would work this way, even though it was technically inconsistent with the rules, because he thought the actual way it should work was too counter-intuitive.  He later reverted that ruling because it was making other things get messy.  So the way it actually works now is the way it "should" work: because BoM is trashed, it is not where Throne Room expects it to be, so it is lost track of, and the only thing the Throne Room can see is the BoM again.
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