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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2325 on: January 30, 2017, 04:30:50 pm »
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2326 on: January 30, 2017, 04:32:26 pm »
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I do.

Although, to translate a whole game?  Maybe.  How big is it?
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2327 on: January 30, 2017, 04:33:28 pm »
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2328 on: January 31, 2017, 06:07:42 pm »
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2329 on: January 31, 2017, 08:13:47 pm »
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2330 on: February 01, 2017, 04:40:09 pm »
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2331 on: February 02, 2017, 11:10:34 am »
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There is this supposed paradox:

- An organizer announces there is going to be a fire alarm happening at school
- The fire alarm will happen over the course of the next week
- It is guaranteed that students will not know on which day the firealarm is going to happen until it does

Say the week goes from Monday to Sunday. Since students can't know the day, it can't wait until Sunday, because then they'd know it to be today. So Sunday is out. Since students can't know the day, it can't wait until Saturday, because then they'd know it to be today, as Sunday is impossible. So Saturday is out. Repeat. It can't happen at all. Yet if it happens on Thursday, no-one will have known that it would.

Is there a name for this? I was told it in German over a decade ago and haven't found it on the Internet.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2332 on: February 02, 2017, 11:12:51 am »
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Quote from: silverspawn on February 02, 2017, 11:10:34 am
Say the week goes from Monday to Sunday.

I got stuck at this part :-(
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2333 on: February 02, 2017, 11:24:00 am »
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Quote from: silverspawn on February 02, 2017, 11:10:34 am
There is this supposed paradox:

- An organizer announces there is going to be a fire alarm happening at school
- The fire alarm will happen over the course of the next week
- It is guaranteed that students will not know on which day the firealarm is going to happen until it does

Say the week goes from Monday to Sunday. Since students can't know the day, it can't wait until Sunday, because then they'd know it to be today. So Sunday is out. Since students can't know the day, it can't wait until Saturday, because then they'd know it to be today, as Sunday is impossible. So Saturday is out. Repeat. It can't happen at all. Yet if it happens on Thursday, no-one will have known that it would.

Is there a name for this? I was told it in German over a decade ago and haven't found it on the Internet.

This is the Unexpected Hanging Paradox.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2334 on: February 02, 2017, 11:29:14 am »
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Well, that is one of the dumbest paradoxes I've ever read up on. It's just willfully ignorant.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2335 on: February 02, 2017, 11:41:48 am »
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Quote from: pingpongsam on February 02, 2017, 11:29:14 am
Well, that is one of the dumbest paradoxes I've ever read up on. It's just willfully ignorant.

What do you mean? Saying that something is "just willfully ignorant" doesn't really hold much substance.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2336 on: February 02, 2017, 11:48:57 am »
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Quote from: singletee on February 02, 2017, 11:24:00 am
This is the Unexpected Hanging Paradox.

Thanks!

Quote from: pingpongsam on February 02, 2017, 11:29:14 am
Well, that is one of the dumbest paradoxes I've ever read up on. It's just willfully ignorant.

I thoguht it was one of the harder paradoxes to solve that I've heard (though I believe I've solved it).
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2337 on: February 02, 2017, 01:12:29 pm »
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To properly solve it, you hang a student at 4:47 AM on Wednesday, pull the fire alarm, and then shout, "Surprise, motherfuckers!"

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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2338 on: February 02, 2017, 01:14:48 pm »
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okay, so, all we know is that it we won't know what day it happens on. so, uh, it can't happen on sunday, because then we would go through each day of the week and then when it gets to sunday we'd be like "it's gotta be today." so it can't be sunday. and so i guess it couldn't be saturday either, by, uh, induction? does that make sen- BINGBINGBINGBING
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2339 on: February 02, 2017, 01:15:26 pm »
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dang, ninja'd a little bit
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2340 on: February 02, 2017, 01:44:14 pm »
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Quote from: pingpongsam on February 02, 2017, 11:29:14 am
Well, that is one of the dumbest paradoxes I've ever read up on. It's just willfully ignorant.

What do you mean? Saying that something is "just willfully ignorant" doesn't really hold much substance.

The deduction that it cannot happen on Friday is logically sound. The following inferences about preceding days, however, are just logical leaps that willfully ignore the reality that anytime between now and Thursday is when it will happen and thus that is the range along which the surprise will occur. That you can remove Friday from the pool does not mean you get to reevaluate the pool iteratively afterwards.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2341 on: February 02, 2017, 01:45:38 pm »
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2342 on: February 02, 2017, 02:05:02 pm »
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Quote from: pingpongsam on February 02, 2017, 01:44:14 pm
That you can remove Friday from the pool does not mean you get to reevaluate the pool iteratively afterwards.
Why not?
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2343 on: February 02, 2017, 03:01:28 pm »
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Quote from: pingpongsam on February 02, 2017, 01:44:14 pm
That you can remove Friday from the pool does not mean you get to reevaluate the pool iteratively afterwards.
Why not?

I mean you can but it won't stop them from hanging your ass on Wednesday. The only day that can logically be excluded from the potential execution days is Friday because of the original line of reasoning. Beyond that you are introducing an artificial element to the deduction process. It's artificial in the sense that the only respect given to it is your own mind and it has no bearing on outside operators. Considering that the end game is execution there's no real imperative for the executioner to do it before Friday but we will presume honesty from that party.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2344 on: February 02, 2017, 03:28:59 pm »
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If you assume that the statement "you won't know which day" is unquestionably true, I don't think what you said holds. On Thursday morning, you know that it has to be today. It has to. It can't logically be tomorrow.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2345 on: February 02, 2017, 03:34:12 pm »
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Quote from: silverspawn on February 02, 2017, 03:28:59 pm
If you assume that the statement "you won't know which day" is unquestionably true, I don't think what you said holds. On Thursday morning, you know that it has to be today. It has to. It can't logically be tomorrow.

Except they could do on Friday just to prove you wrong. That's my whole point, you can't use your logical willpower to override reality. But I do better see what you're saying. I was taking the paradox to occur strictly at the point of declaration. That is, when the doomed heard the information he could only logically remove Friday as a possibility and then expect to die any day prior.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2346 on: February 02, 2017, 03:43:57 pm »
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It is too soon to popcorn.gif?
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2347 on: February 02, 2017, 04:03:43 pm »
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Quote from: silverspawn on February 02, 2017, 03:28:59 pm
If you assume that the statement "you won't know which day" is unquestionably true, I don't think what you said holds. On Thursday morning, you know that it has to be today. It has to. It can't logically be tomorrow.

See, I think this falls apart if you substitute Wednesday for Thursday.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2348 on: February 02, 2017, 04:10:19 pm »
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Quote from: pacovf on February 02, 2017, 03:43:57 pm
It is too soon to popcorn.gif?

Well if you're going to post popcorn.gif sometime this week, but want to wait until people won't expect it...
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2349 on: February 02, 2017, 04:46:05 pm »
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Definitely one of my favorite paradoxes. I don't think there's an "easy solution".
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