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[Kirian]

That's why during sexual harassment education (mandatory for my workplace), it's only harassment if it continues after the person has requested the behavior to stop.

At the risk of making possibly the most off-topic post in this thread, really?!

Well, if you tell a woman that she's pretty and/or ask her out on a date and she says no and you drop it, is that harassment? No. Might she still feel intimidated or put off, especially if there exists a power gradient in the workplace between you and she? Yes. But it still wouldn't fly in court as sexual harassment because she said no and you stopped. It's the repetitive annoyance or attempt to intimidate that leads to problems. This is known as the "hostile environment" definition. True "quid pro quo" (i.e. sleep with me or you're fired) is actually quite rare.

I think Infthitbox's surprise was that there is a space between "You look pretty" and physical assault or "Sleep with me or you're fired", and that space is full of things that shouldn't require a "no."

Examples would include even some variations on the first ("Lookin' hot today, baby" is objectively harrassment), but also lewd jokes, variations on "$gender is [crazy|jerks|bitches] because $stereotype", and a host of other things.

Also: http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/outside-voices-careers/articles/2016-01-04/6-casually-sexist-things-to-stop-saying-at-work

[Witherweaver]

That's why during sexual harassment education (mandatory for my workplace), it's only harassment if it continues after the person has requested the behavior to stop.

At the risk of making possibly the most off-topic post in this thread, really?!

Well, if you tell a woman that she's pretty and/or ask her out on a date and she says no and you drop it, is that harassment? No. Might she still feel intimidated or put off, especially if there exists a power gradient in the workplace between you and she? Yes. But it still wouldn't fly in court as sexual harassment because she said no and you stopped. It's the repetitive annoyance or attempt to intimidate that leads to problems. This is known as the "hostile environment" definition. True "quid pro quo" (i.e. sleep with me or you're fired) is actually quite rare.

I think Infthitbox's surprise was that there is a space between "You look pretty" and physical assault or "Sleep with me or you're fired", and that space is full of things that shouldn't require a "no."

Examples would include even some variations on the first ("Lookin' hot today, baby" is objectively harrassment), but also lewd jokes, variations on "$gender is [crazy|jerks|bitches] because $stereotype", and a host of other things.

Also: http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/outside-voices-careers/articles/2016-01-04/6-casually-sexist-things-to-stop-saying-at-work

I just model my behavior after Douglas Reynholm from The IT Crowd.

[zeruf]

Staying on topic is strictly better than going off topic...



Edit: Wait, wrong thread 

[Awaclus]

Staying on topic is strictly better than going off topic...

Staying on topic is far more skippable than people think.

[schadd]

i'm excited to watch this thread slowly wither away and die

[jamfamsam]

I'd be much more interested to see it experience a sudden and violent death.

[Witherweaver]

I'd be much more interested to see it experience a sudden and violent death.

For that, we'd need some gunpowder...

[theory]