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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2016, 07:04:39 am »
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It must be sometimes terminal and sometimes not. This could include playing another card, or conditionally giving +actions, etc.
It must be able to trash a card (one of yours).
It must be able to gain a card.
Keeping in mind that it will also have a reaction that reacts to anyone gaining a card (with conditions on the gained card); the card must be strong enough that it should cost $5 or more.

Some Card - Action / Reaction - $5

+1<VP>
Trash a card from your hand.
+<VP> equal to half the number of differently named cards in the trash, rounded down. <-- This wording is a bit awkward
You may spend any number of <VP>. +1 Action per <VP> spent this way.

When another player gains a card, you may discard this.
If you do, +<VP> equal to half its cost in Coins, rounded down and your opponent may trash a card from his hand.


It might be trying to do a bit too much, but I'm open to tweaks.
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2016, 08:00:15 am »
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It must be sometimes terminal and sometimes not. This could include playing another card, or conditionally giving +actions, etc.
It must be able to trash a card (one of yours).
It must be able to gain a card.
Keeping in mind that it will also have a reaction that reacts to anyone gaining a card (with conditions on the gained card); the card must be strong enough that it should cost $5 or more.

Some Card - Action / Reaction - $5

+1<VP>
Trash a card from your hand.
+<VP> equal to half the number of differently named cards in the trash, rounded down. <-- This wording is a bit awkward
You may spend any number of <VP>. +1 Action per <VP> spent this way.

When another player gains a card, you may discard this.
If you do, +<VP> equal to half its cost in Coins, rounded down and your opponent may trash a card from his hand.


It might be trying to do a bit too much, but I'm open to tweaks.

I like the idea of spending VP tokens to do something, but I can totally see non-competitive players looking at this aspect of the card with disgust.
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2016, 09:48:43 am »
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Some Card - Action / Reaction - $5

+1<VP>
Trash a card from your hand.
+<VP> equal to half the number of differently named cards in the trash, rounded down. <-- This wording is a bit awkward
You may spend any number of <VP>. +1 Action per <VP> spent this way.


Still needs to gain, though. I do wonder if adding "gain a card costing the same as the trashed card" would keep it about the same power-level. It would make it much weaker as as a trasher, being unable to get rid of Coppers. But it would make it stronger in that you could get more cards into the trash without losing good cards from your deck.
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2016, 09:51:06 am »
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Keeping with the generally informal nature of the way I've been handling this, the deadline for submissions is sometime a little later today, in about 8 hours or so. Keep the submissions coming!
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2016, 11:26:10 am »
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Since everything's so informal, here's a under-the-line idea:
When a player gains a card, you may reveal this from your hand and discard a card to reveal cards from your deck until you reveal a copy of the gained card. Put it in your hand and discard the other revealed cards.

I'm afraid I might have to leave the internet alone for a while because of exams and I like the idea so I'd like you folks to see it anyway.
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2016, 12:40:52 pm »
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Just to be clear, the poll won't include reactions, right?  So many people are posting ideas with both parts.
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2016, 12:49:46 pm »
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I'm trying to keep the top short, to save space for an interesting reaction.  Something like this, maybe?

Trash a card you have in play.  Gain a copy of a card you have in play.  +1 Action for each copy of this in the Trash.

It's terminal if none of them have been trashed, but even the first play of it can be non-terminal since it can trash itself.  I think 1:1 scaling on the +action would be interesting, especially if this is the only "village", but it can be changed if needed for balance.

Another idea I had for "sometimes non-terminal" was "+1 Action for each empty Supply pile".

I really like this one, but I would strongly prefer it with "+1 Action per empty Supply pile". Can I put forth that as an option, despite it not being my idea?
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2016, 01:09:51 pm »
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Just to be clear, the poll won't include reactions, right?  So many people are posting ideas with both parts.
Correct. I think a few (myself included) are doing this to so the "self-synergy" of the two parts. I think this is valuable considering the proposed cost of $5. However, this does not mean the reaction part is completely fixed to the action itself.
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2016, 01:16:18 pm »
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I'm trying to keep the top short, to save space for an interesting reaction.  Something like this, maybe?

Trash a card you have in play.  Gain a copy of a card you have in play.  +1 Action for each copy of this in the Trash.

It's terminal if none of them have been trashed, but even the first play of it can be non-terminal since it can trash itself.  I think 1:1 scaling on the +action would be interesting, especially if this is the only "village", but it can be changed if needed for balance.

Another idea I had for "sometimes non-terminal" was "+1 Action for each empty Supply pile".

I really like this one, but I would strongly prefer it with "+1 Action per empty Supply pile". Can I put forth that as an option, despite it not being my idea?
I don't see myself buying it very often, if not for a good reaction part.
* Doesn't work as your only village because it will trash itself
* can't usually clear copper
*Action minting sounds cool but for 5c I'll probably prefer to directly buy the action itself, rather than a not-even-cantrip Upgrade variant that can only upgrade Actions. And to work that way, it needs to have villages or both expendable and desirable cantrips.
I might be missing something.
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2016, 01:28:45 pm »
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Just to be clear, the poll won't include reactions, right?  So many people are posting ideas with both parts.

Correct. And most of the ideas that I've received via PM haven't had a reaction.
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2016, 01:30:02 pm »
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I'm trying to keep the top short, to save space for an interesting reaction.  Something like this, maybe?

Trash a card you have in play.  Gain a copy of a card you have in play.  +1 Action for each copy of this in the Trash.

It's terminal if none of them have been trashed, but even the first play of it can be non-terminal since it can trash itself.  I think 1:1 scaling on the +action would be interesting, especially if this is the only "village", but it can be changed if needed for balance.

Another idea I had for "sometimes non-terminal" was "+1 Action for each empty Supply pile".

I really like this one, but I would strongly prefer it with "+1 Action per empty Supply pile". Can I put forth that as an option, despite it not being my idea?

Absolutely, no reason the poll can't have both options. Unless we were dealing with dozens of options or something, and we're not.
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2016, 01:59:18 pm »
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Gamma - $5
Trash a card from your hand. Gain a card costing up to $2 more. If it is an,
action card, +2 actions
treasure card, +$2
victory card, +2 cards

Ironworks/Remodel hybrid.
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2016, 02:03:44 pm »
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Gamma - $5
Trash a card from your hand. Gain a card costing up to $2 more. If it is an,
action card, +2 actions
treasure card, +$2
victory card, +2 cards

Ironworks/Remodel hybrid.
Tribute comes to mind as well.
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2016, 03:02:04 pm »
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Gamma - $5
Trash a card from your hand. Gain a card costing up to $2 more. If it is an,
action card, +2 actions
treasure card, +$2
victory card, +2 cards

Ironworks/Remodel hybrid.

It needs to clarify whether "it" refers to the gained card or the trashed card. I'm unsure which you meant currently.
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2016, 03:05:05 pm »
+2

We seem to have fallen into a different alphabet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2016, 03:31:55 pm »
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Wow I just noticed that. Thanks Gubump!
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2016, 04:02:49 pm »
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I wanted to submit a card, but put off thinking about it till today. So I didn't think about it much, and it turned out silly. oh well.

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Hogwash
If your Hogwash Mat is empty, +1 Card, +1 Action.
Reveal the top card of your deck. Trash it, discard it, or put it back. If you trashed it, play a card from your Hogwash mat. If there is still at least one card on your Hogwash mat, +$3.
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When any player gains an action card, you may set this aside. If you do, put a copy of the gained card from the supply onto your Hogwash mat and play this at the start of your next turn.
(I originally called it Gee Wiz, but then I noticed we were on H.)

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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2016, 04:05:45 pm »
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Gamma - $5
Trash a card from your hand. Gain a card costing up to $2 more. If it is an,
action card, +2 actions
treasure card, +$2
victory card, +2 cards

Blue dog hybrid.

It needs to clarify whether "it" refers to the gained card or the trashed card. I'm unsure which you meant currently.
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #43 on: January 06, 2016, 04:12:26 pm »
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I'm trying to keep the top short, to save space for an interesting reaction.  Something like this, maybe?

Trash a card you have in play.  Gain a copy of a card you have in play.  +1 Action for each copy of this in the Trash.

It's terminal if none of them have been trashed, but even the first play of it can be non-terminal since it can trash itself.  I think 1:1 scaling on the +action would be interesting, especially if this is the only "village", but it can be changed if needed for balance.

Another idea I had for "sometimes non-terminal" was "+1 Action for each empty Supply pile".

I really like this one, but I would strongly prefer it with "+1 Action per empty Supply pile". Can I put forth that as an option, despite it not being my idea?

Absolutely, no reason the poll can't have both options. Unless we were dealing with dozens of options or something, and we're not.

I'm afraid of that splitting votes though.  Would it OK for the entry to just be "Trash a card you have in play. Gain a copy of a card you have in play. +1 action per [TBD]"?





I don't see myself buying it very often, if not for a good reaction part.
* Doesn't work as your only village because it will trash itself
* can't usually clear copper
*Action minting sounds cool but for 5c I'll probably prefer to directly buy the action itself, rather than a not-even-cantrip Upgrade variant that can only upgrade Actions. And to work that way, it needs to have villages or both expendable and desirable cantrips.
I might be missing something.

It's intentionally weak precisely to allow for a powerful reaction.  Keep in mind that it's a gainer with a reaction to gaining, so it will probably have strong self-synergy.
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #44 on: January 06, 2016, 04:47:58 pm »
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I'm trying to keep the top short, to save space for an interesting reaction.  Something like this, maybe?

Trash a card you have in play.  Gain a copy of a card you have in play.  +1 Action for each copy of this in the Trash.

It's terminal if none of them have been trashed, but even the first play of it can be non-terminal since it can trash itself.  I think 1:1 scaling on the +action would be interesting, especially if this is the only "village", but it can be changed if needed for balance.

Another idea I had for "sometimes non-terminal" was "+1 Action for each empty Supply pile".

I really like this one, but I would strongly prefer it with "+1 Action per empty Supply pile". Can I put forth that as an option, despite it not being my idea?

Absolutely, no reason the poll can't have both options. Unless we were dealing with dozens of options or something, and we're not.

I'm afraid of that splitting votes though.  Would it OK for the entry to just be "Trash a card you have in play. Gain a copy of a card you have in play. +1 action per [TBD]"?

If the poll allows people to vote for as many options as they like, it wouldn't matter, right?
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #45 on: January 06, 2016, 04:49:48 pm »
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I'm trying to keep the top short, to save space for an interesting reaction.  Something like this, maybe?

Trash a card you have in play.  Gain a copy of a card you have in play.  +1 Action for each copy of this in the Trash.

It's terminal if none of them have been trashed, but even the first play of it can be non-terminal since it can trash itself.  I think 1:1 scaling on the +action would be interesting, especially if this is the only "village", but it can be changed if needed for balance.

Another idea I had for "sometimes non-terminal" was "+1 Action for each empty Supply pile".

I really like this one, but I would strongly prefer it with "+1 Action per empty Supply pile". Can I put forth that as an option, despite it not being my idea?

Absolutely, no reason the poll can't have both options. Unless we were dealing with dozens of options or something, and we're not.

I'm afraid of that splitting votes though.  Would it OK for the entry to just be "Trash a card you have in play. Gain a copy of a card you have in play. +1 action per [TBD]"?

If the poll allows people to vote for as many options as they like, it wouldn't matter, right?

I believe this is correct.
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2016, 04:53:14 pm »
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If the poll allows people to vote for as many options as they like, it wouldn't matter, right?

Hm, fair point.  Though I think that there may be other possibilities as well, which could be better determined later.  I kind of think that "per copy in the trash" may be too steep while "per empty supply pile" may be too mild.
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Re: You make the card: An F.DS community-created fan card! (Part 13)
« Reply #47 on: January 06, 2016, 04:55:58 pm »
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I'm sure many people came up with mechanics that they haven't mentioned as they want their card to be unique. I am not a part of that group, but we will see when the poll comes out.
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« Reply #48 on: January 06, 2016, 04:58:12 pm »
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If the poll allows people to vote for as many options as they like, it wouldn't matter, right?

Hm, fair point.  Though I think that there may be other possibilities as well, which could be better determined later.  I kind of think that "per copy in the trash" may be too steep while "per empty supply pile" may be too mild.

Good point; since what we really care about for this step is voting on the concept/mechanic, then we'll use +1 action per [tbd].
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« Reply #49 on: January 06, 2016, 05:04:35 pm »
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If the poll allows people to vote for as many options as they like, it wouldn't matter, right?

Hm, fair point.  Though I think that there may be other possibilities as well, which could be better determined later.  I kind of think that "per copy in the trash" may be too steep while "per empty supply pile" may be too mild.

Good point; since what we really care about for this step is voting on the concept/mechanic, then we'll use +1 action per [tbd].

I'd encourage others to generalize the less important parts of their concepts too. :)
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