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[SCSN]

Feedback on BGG
https://boardgamegeek.com/blogpost/48254/app-release-dominion-has-been-released-seriously-g

That thread clearly shows that f.ds has unreasonable expectations. Unreasonably low, that is.

[pst]

I can totally understand Rio Grande Games wanting an app that worked cross-platform, but in hindsight it's a bad idea. The requirements of the user bases are completely different. In order for a mobile version to be successful, it needs offline play and cheap expansions. Desktop users want downloadable game logs, point counters, etc. I really wish the mobile version had just been licensed to some company that has experience making native mobile apps.

Maybe they could offer cheaper expansions that are only available on those platforms, and maybe that you can only use with robots and with players who also have those cards, but for the full price you get cards you can use with any platform and that you can "share" with others you play with.

[sc0UT]

MF reply to the online requirement in the app store.

Unfortunately, a game with this much card logic needs to rely on a server connection.

That's so stupid!

[Beyond Awesome]

Does MF even go to BGG? Are they even aware of what the people are saying over there? I mean, these are the customers they really need to target. If they can't win over the casual audience, then they are screwed. Implementing Adventures will only get them so far, financially speaking.

My question is if MF Dominion fails, then what?

[jsh357]

MF reply to the online requirement in the app store.

Unfortunately, a game with this much card logic needs to rely on a server connection.

That's so stupid!

Their continuous reinforcement of this idea is kind of insulting. Are they just expecting people to buy that? I download standalone games with rules as complex as Dominion's all the time. They just don't want to admit they'd have to do more work to make the game work offline. I get that it could be a real issue since they're probably broke, but it's frustrating how they feed us this nonsense that anyone with experience in game development can tell you is a lie instead of just telling us like it is.

[GendoIkari]

MF reply to the online requirement in the app store.

Unfortunately, a game with this much card logic needs to rely on a server connection.

That's so stupid!

Yeah. I'm going to go ahead and say that Terra Mystica has way more logic and rules than Dominion. And that was implemented by some guy in Javascript, playable entirely offline.

[Beyond Awesome]

In the early 90s, twenty years ago, an offline version of Magic was released for the pc. It had all the expansions up to that point. I'm pretty sure Magic is more complex than Dominion

[Beyond Awesome]

Feedback on BGG
https://boardgamegeek.com/blogpost/48254/app-release-dominion-has-been-released-seriously-g

That thread clearly shows that f.ds has unreasonable expectations. Unreasonably low, that is.

At this point, most of us have given up having any sort of expectations.

[Watno]

Does the tablet version mention a version by the way? Is that 2.0.45? (The last one released oterhwise is still 2.0.44.2, and they have said that the next version would wait because they would like to offer that on tablets as well.)

It is 2.0.45.25.

[Watno]

Ridiculous

[sc0UT]

Does MF even go to BGG?

Jonah42 mentioned BGG in one of his posts in the MF forums. So, maybe.

MF reply to the online requirement in the app store.

Unfortunately, a game with this much card logic needs to rely on a server connection.

That's so stupid!

it's frustrating how they feed us this nonsense that anyone with experience in game development can tell you is a lie instead of just telling us like it is.

Sadly, it's a common phrase for online requirements since some years.
A popular example is EA's SimSity2013. They said, the servers would have to compute all the individual sims one by one what no PC could handle. Investigations by some hackers (I guess) showed that all of this was a lie, the servers did nearly nothing and the sims took always the shortest way from work to the next house. They never came back home after their first day at work LoL!

[sc0UT]

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Poor UI design. I didn't expect anything better for the mobile application as we still know it.

[jsh357]

Ridiculous

They're making great use of that valuable screen real estate

[Beyond Awesome]

Ridiculous
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I can't see the photo

[Watno]

MF reply to the online requirement in the app store.

Unfortunately, a game with this much card logic needs to rely on a server connection.

That's so stupid!

How is that even supposed to work? Their servers have so much more processing power than the user's devices that they can handle this complicated logic for hundreds of games at once?

[sc0UT]

MF reply to the online requirement in the app store.

Unfortunately, a game with this much card logic needs to rely on a server connection.

That's so stupid!

How is that even supposed to work? Their servers have so much more processing power than the user's devices that they can handle this complicated logic for hundreds of games at once?

Don't worry. You get connected with Titan and its 17,6 PetaFLOPS. Luckily the Heliumcooling system prevents the core from overheating.

[Kirian]

MF reply to the online requirement in the app store.

Unfortunately, a game with this much card logic needs to rely on a server connection.

That's so stupid!

How is that even supposed to work? Their servers have so much more processing power than the user's devices that they can handle this complicated logic for hundreds of games at once?

I'm willing to believe that a good AI would not easily run on a tablet.  See, for instance, Prismata.

This assumes the existence of a good AI within MF's systems, which is a laughable idea.

[Accatitippi]

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Considering how effective they are using resources client-side to run an user interface, I expect they're running at least a couple of supercomputers as servers.

[funkdoc]

annnnnnnd this is one of the reasons i have a problem with the concept of company loyalty & unconditional support: hearing harsh criticism early and doing something in response will prevent things like this from happening.

a lot of us saw this coming, at least those of us who don't live in the dominion bubble and actually know the wider landscape...

[Beyond Awesome]

annnnnnnd this is one of the reasons i have a problem with the concept of company loyalty & unconditional support: hearing harsh criticism early and doing something in response will prevent things like this from happening.

a lot of us saw this coming, at least those of us who don't live in the dominion bubble and actually know the wider landscape...

MF was told over and over again they needed the app to be offline. Lots of people told them at various stages, and they did not listen, and I know I made compelling arguments. I guess they don't believe people who tell them things in advance ex: adding animations to the game.  They did not fix the issue until it got out off beta despite what the beta testers told them.

[qmech]

I had to stop reading the BGG thread because people said that Dominion has been pushed out by all the later, better deckbuilders.

[GendoIkari]

I had to stop reading the BGG thread because people said that Dominion has been pushed out by all the later, better deckbuilders.

Am I looking at a different thread? I didn't see anything like that.

[jsh357]

I had to stop reading the BGG thread because people said that Dominion has been pushed out by all the later, better deckbuilders.

Am I looking at a different thread? I didn't see anything like that.

Page 5 has some of it. It's par for the course in any thread about Dominion outside this forum/reddit.

[SCSN]

What are those supposedly better deck builders? And which of them have a somewhat functional online implementation?

[Watno]

Mainly Ascension I think.