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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3400 on: January 08, 2016, 12:44:15 pm »

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3401 on: January 08, 2016, 12:45:07 pm »

Also funny that Teproc was trying to get people to see him as scummy, and I got convinced that he was scum. 
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3402 on: January 08, 2016, 12:46:38 pm »

I don't really understand why ash thinks my claim was so bad.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3403 on: January 08, 2016, 12:47:03 pm »

Who was it that mentioned Hydrad as a Nexus early on?
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3404 on: January 08, 2016, 12:47:10 pm »

Also funny that Teproc was trying to get people to see him as scummy, and I got convinced that he was scum. 

More specifically I wanted vetereans to find me scummy so that I wouldn't be NKed, and townies to find me townie so that I wouldn't be lynched.

It... kinda worked, though it did cost quite a bit, I do feel responsible for the RR and Egork mislynhes, could have maybe convinced people to lynch Hydrad had I been townier.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3405 on: January 08, 2016, 12:47:21 pm »

Crazy, I also brought up the possibility of Nexus!Hydrad, though I didn't consider it towards the end of the game. 
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3406 on: January 08, 2016, 12:48:07 pm »

Who was it that mentioned Hydrad as a Nexus early on?

Oh yeah, that was discussed when WW claimed right ? WW I think said it.

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3407 on: January 08, 2016, 12:48:40 pm »

I wonder which turn the game would have taken had WW been killed over Teproc.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3408 on: January 08, 2016, 12:49:33 pm »

I wonder which turn the game would have taken had WW been killed over Teproc.

What was your reasoning for Day 2?
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3409 on: January 08, 2016, 12:49:59 pm »

Who was it that mentioned Hydrad as a Nexus early on?

Yeah, I thought of it because I was a Nexus in MU.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3410 on: January 08, 2016, 12:50:35 pm »

I wonder which turn the game would have taken had WW been killed over Teproc.

I would have lynched iguana in a heartbeat, don't know after that though. Hard to say because I would obviously have done rereads, so it's not clear if I would have ended up leaning Ampharos like I did in the speccy.

Killing me made sense in that I think I was less lynchable than WW after the QT thing.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3411 on: January 08, 2016, 12:53:41 pm »

I wonder which turn the game would have taken had WW been killed over Teproc.

What was your reasoning for Day 2?

I knew that if I was just playing my regular game and didn't die, people would suspect me pretty soon. So I did something to shake things up. Claiming a guilty result seemed like a good way to survive for at least another day (and get a mislynch), because the meta is scum doesn't do 1-1 trades. I picked you as a target because I thought you made sense as a target for twon!me.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3412 on: January 08, 2016, 12:55:04 pm »

I wonder which turn the game would have taken had WW been killed over Teproc.

What was your reasoning for Day 2?

I knew that if I was just playing my regular game and didn't die, people would suspect me pretty soon. So I did something to shake things up. Claiming a guilty result seemed like a good way to survive for at least another day (and get a mislynch), because the meta is scum doesn't do 1-1 trades. I picked you as a target because I thought you made sense as a target for twon!me.

Cool.  I'm glad we finally have an example to counter the "scum never does that" or "no scum narrative" argument.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3413 on: January 08, 2016, 12:58:03 pm »

We already had the ash JK claim in Mean Girls. Not quite as extreme as faust (I think it was a counterclaim from ash), but still a 1 for 1 trade relatiely early on (either day 2 or day 3).

I still don't think it's a great idea, it worked out great here because the situation was so weird we decided to keep you both alive. I think faust was overestimating the strength of the "faust is alive, must be scum" argument. Like, we have a WW alive at lylo here, after claiming a PR on day 2. It happens.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3414 on: January 08, 2016, 12:59:26 pm »

We already had the ash JK claim in Mean Girls. Not quite as extreme as faust (I think it was a counterclaim from ash), but still a 1 for 1 trade relatiely early on (either day 2 or day 3).

I still don't think it's a great idea, it worked out great here because the situation was so weird we decided to keep you both alive. I think faust was overestimating the strength of the "faust is alive, must be scum" argument. Like, we have a WW alive at lylo here, after claiming a PR on day 2. It happens.

Yeah, but Faust is undoubtedly a stronger town player than me.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3415 on: January 08, 2016, 01:01:13 pm »

Jesus:

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Faust bus drives Yuma and Haddock
Haddock jails iguanaiguana
Iguana vanillaises yuma, would target Haddock - fails due to being jailed.
Teproc Cops 2.7 - success, receives Hero
Yuma gets angry - success - randomly kills iguanaiguana - fails due to iguana being jailed.
Hydrad kills Haddock, targets Yuma - success
WW motion detects 2.7 - success, no motion detected

iguanaiguana gets the message that he is webbed.
Teproc gets the message that 2.7 is a hero.
WW gets the message "no motion detected."
yuma dies.

I target Hydrad twice, whiffs both times.  Haddock JK's Iguana, but Iguana doesn't kill.  YUMA RANDOMLY KILLS IGUANA but is protected because JK.

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3416 on: January 08, 2016, 01:02:03 pm »

We already had the ash JK claim in Mean Girls. Not quite as extreme as faust (I think it was a counterclaim from ash), but still a 1 for 1 trade relatiely early on (either day 2 or day 3).

I still don't think it's a great idea, it worked out great here because the situation was so weird we decided to keep you both alive. I think faust was overestimating the strength of the "faust is alive, must be scum" argument. Like, we have a WW alive at lylo here, after claiming a PR on day 2. It happens.

Yeah, but Faust is undoubtedly a stronger town player than me.

Recently, sure. I suppose he is the player least likely to survive this long as town currently, but really if you ge some wagons it's pretty easy to handwave-away if there are other townier player, which, there often are. You can also go "well maybe my reads are awful" and act on that, etc. I don't know, I've never seen people really get lynched for being strong town players and still being alive deep into the game.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3417 on: January 08, 2016, 01:31:22 pm »

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3418 on: January 08, 2016, 01:32:14 pm »

The ironic part there being that me believing Faust's fake claim led me to the actual correct solution to why my result on Hydrad wasn't correct.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3419 on: January 08, 2016, 01:35:10 pm »

Ash can you answer now: does Bus Driving count as targeting one, both, or none of their targets for the purposes of investigation?
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3420 on: January 08, 2016, 01:36:11 pm »

God:

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Quicksilver bus drives silverspawn and ampharos
Spider-Man (Haddock) JKs Captain America (2.7) -- 2.7 receives PM that he was webbed.
Punisher (Teproc) cops (Ampharos) -- targets SS, receives "Hero"
Hulk (yuma) stays calm. No one dies.
Hydrad kills Ampharos -- targets SS, SS dies
Scarlet Witch vanillaizes no one.
Daredevil (WW) motion detects Mastermind (Hydrad) -- is randomly redirected to iguanaiguana, receives no motion detected.

So I get randomly redirected form scum to scum; still detect no motion.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3421 on: January 08, 2016, 01:36:25 pm »

You mean if they get tracked ? Pretty sure it shows them targeting both.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3422 on: January 08, 2016, 01:41:48 pm »

You mean if they get tracked ? Pretty sure it shows them targeting both.

Well, specifically, if Faust Bus Drives Hydrad with <VT that gets no other targets> Night 1.  Would I get "Motion Detected" from the Bus Drive targeting of <>, or "No Motion Detected".
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3423 on: January 08, 2016, 01:43:36 pm »

I see. I think you would get Motion Detected, because faust did target the VT, by the same logic that gives a tracer two results on a bus driver.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Game Over!)
« Reply #3424 on: January 08, 2016, 01:44:24 pm »

Night 1 actions were crazy.  That's gotta be pretty fun as a mod.

Good job WW making the right call there at the end :)

Thanks Ash for modding! 

gg to all, and thank you for putting up with my slight disappearances due to the holidays. 

And yes, Teproc, I should probably have voted right after Hydrad did, but my brain was elsewhere :P  I wasn't in the mindset of "what would scum!amph do here" and more just thinking out what I should do to convince WW.  I guess it worked out in the end, though I totally see how it was a mistake.  Honestly, I don't know if I've ever been in final 3 before, so I'm giving myself a pass here :P
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