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Like. I really think people voting faust or WW need to look into second options. For real

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.9:

WW (3): Ampharos, faust, Hydrad
egork (4): iguana, Haddock, yuma, Teproc
faust (1): EgorK
haddock (2): WW, 2.7

Not Voting (1): RR

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day Two ends at 3:00 a.m. on December 19.

[Haddock]

Morning!

Just reread Hydrad.

He could be scum.  Maybe.  But he also isn't as scummy as I remember.
Bah.

PoE says one of Hydrad or Egor is scum.  Probably.  What does everyone else currently on Egor think of Hydrad?  I would happily move if that were to be a better thing than Egor.

Teproc, I saw that you earlier didn't find Egor particularly scummy but did find Hydrad scummy.  What changed?  Or was it just that Hydrad didn't look viable?

I need to reread igu, he's gone completely under my radar.

[EgorK]

Well, seems like faust is not going to happen and I believe WW claim. And Haddock seems scummy. Vote: haddock

I'd post much more reasons why Haddock, but I had surgery on finger today

PPE: Hydrad is more meh than Haddock, but would vote there if needed

[Haddock]

Well, seems like faust is not going to happen and I believe WW claim. And Haddock seems scummy. Vote: haddock

I'd post much more reasons why Haddock, but I had surgery on finger today

This reminds me:

I don't understand the case on Haddock.

I can't do a hood recap from my phone, but there are little things here and there.

Like this last vote on hydrad. A pressure vote to get him to post more. Am easy vote, one that doesn't take too much effort and you won't really get in trouble for. A nice scum vote

I'd love to hear your whole case when you get a chance.

Anything on this, e?  I'd really love to see an actual case presented today, everything has been superweak up til now (except the claimed results etc.).  Even the Egor wagon is weak, let's face it.
So yeah, any case would be good to see, even if it is a case on me.

[Haddock]

And I'm sorry Egor, but I can't help but see some OMGUS in your vote here. 
I've done one stupid thing this game which I guess could be seen as scummy.

People who've played with me know that a 1-really-stupid-thing-per-game quota is precisely my meta, as either alignment (as far as I can be said to have a meta in my 3rd game).

[EgorK]

And I'm sorry Egor, but I can't help but see some OMGUS in your vote here. 
I've done one stupid thing this game which I guess could be seen as scummy.

People who've played with me know that a 1-really-stupid-thing-per-game quota is precisely my meta, as either alignment (as far as I can be said to have a meta in my 3rd game).

My perception of you as scummy is just partially based on last incident

[Haddock]

My perception of you as scummy is just partially based on last incident

So what else have I done that's scummy?  Nothing.

You're grasping at straws here.

[Roadrunner7671]

Egor is scummier than Haddock for sure. But is there someonr scummier than Egor?

[EgorK]

My perception of you as scummy is just partially based on last incident

So what else have I done that's scummy?  Nothing.

You're grasping at straws here.

Problem is you mostly just follow along. You talk a lot how what you do looks scummy. You vote mostly on wagons, and if voting not on wagons immediately unvote after being queried/confronted by someone. Things like that. Which can come from disinterested towny, but more likely from scum.

Also your attempt at organizing Hydrad wagon is strange. If you want to do it vote and present good case. Any case actually. All you do is asking other people if we can probably do it please

[Haddock]

You talk a lot how what you do looks scummy.

Outright false.

You vote mostly on wagons, and if voting not on wagons immediately unvote after being queried/confronted by someone.

That has happened only once this game that I can remember.

Also your attempt at organizing Hydrad wagon is strange. If you want to do it vote and present good case. Any case actually. All you do is asking other people if we can probably do it please

I'm looking to see if there's interest.  There's no point me voting Hydrad if noone else is going to.

I thought that the case was pretty clear, it's been presented before.  Hydrad is lurky, which he always is.  But this time his contributions aren't actually helpful, when usually town!Hydrad's few contributions are well-thought out and helpful.

[EgorK]

You talk a lot how what you do looks scummy.

Outright false.

Ok, more like just being sorry for whatever. At least through D1

You vote mostly on wagons, and if voting not on wagons immediately unvote after being queried/confronted by someone.

That has happened only once this game that I can remember.

At the very least also with ss

Also your attempt at organizing Hydrad wagon is strange. If you want to do it vote and present good case. Any case actually. All you do is asking other people if we can probably do it please

I'm looking to see if there's interest.  There's no point me voting Hydrad if noone else is going to.

I thought that the case was pretty clear, it's been presented before.  Hydrad is lurky, which he always is.  But this time his contributions aren't actually helpful, when usually town!Hydrad's few contributions are well-thought out and helpful.

There are never interest if you would not create it. At the very least this requires vote

[Haddock]

You talk a lot how what you do looks scummy.

Outright false.

Ok, more like just being sorry for whatever. At least through D1

What, apologising for being missing for a while is scummy?  Politeness, more like.

You vote mostly on wagons, and if voting not on wagons immediately unvote after being queried/confronted by someone.

That has happened only once this game that I can remember.

At the very least also with ss

Bull.  I've already explained what happened with ss, I unvoted because I found a flaw in my own reasoning, not because anyone called me out on anything.

Also your attempt at organizing Hydrad wagon is strange. If you want to do it vote and present good case. Any case actually. All you do is asking other people if we can probably do it please

I'm looking to see if there's interest.  There's no point me voting Hydrad if noone else is going to.

I thought that the case was pretty clear, it's been presented before.  Hydrad is lurky, which he always is.  But this time his contributions aren't actually helpful, when usually town!Hydrad's few contributions are well-thought out and helpful.

There are never interest if you would not create it. At the very least this requires vote

I find you scummier than Hydrad.  Which is why I'm voting you.  But it's fairly close, so I'm trying to gauge opinions.  It's not a complicated notion.

[EgorK]

If you find me scummier than Hydrad why the heck do you need to create Hydrad wagon when I am the biggest one. What's your case on me by the way?

Well, you are not as scummy as you seemed to me at first glance, but there is still something off about you (I know, it is frustrating to respond to something like this). For some reason I can't get much town or scum reads on anyone this game. I mean, many people did towny or scummy things, but on the balance things just don't add up. Faust is likely scum and WW is likely town, but otherwise...

[Haddock]

If you find me scummier than Hydrad why the heck do you need to create Hydrad wagon when I am the biggest one. What's your case on me by the way?

Your wagon being biggish doesn't mean it's going to go through.  In fact as more time passes and noone else votes for you I'm more inclined to believe that it won't go through.  So other options would be nice.

My case on you is a mix of lurkiness/scummy reactions/weirdness D1 combined with your consistent pushing of faust.
And gut.
And PoE.

It's weak, but it's better than anything else I can produce

Well, you are not as scummy as you seemed to me at first glance, but there is still something off about you (I know, it is frustrating to respond to something like this).

You're right, it is.  But then I just said some of my vote for you is gut, so I guess we're even.

For some reason I can't get much town or scum reads on anyone this game. I mean, many people did towny or scummy things, but on the balance things just don't add up.

I sympathise with this.

[iguanaiguana]

Alright. This is who I could lynch, in order from most to least likely to be scum.

1. Faust
2. Witherweaver
3&4. EgorK = Haddock
5. Hydrad
6. Teproc

The only reason I see for not lynching Hydrad is the mitigating evidence from WW.  Teproc could be scum, but as town he seems pretty helpful to town, so I like him least of everyone listed. So since WW/Faust doesn't look like its happening, honestly the bottom four are all really close. 

I would be willing to hammer anyone on this list after posting intent.

[Haddock]

Alright. This is who I could lynch, in order from most to least likely to be scum.

1. Faust
2. Witherweaver
3&4. EgorK = Haddock
5. Hydrad
6. Teproc

The only reason I see for not lynching Hydrad is the mitigating evidence from WW.  Teproc could be scum, but as town he seems pretty helpful to town, so I like him least of everyone listed. So since WW/Faust doesn't look like its happening, honestly the bottom four are all really close. 

I would be willing to hammer anyone on this list after posting intent.

Hurr.

I'm not sure I like this post.
There's an inherent contradiction in saying you think faust or WW are likely scum but believe their Hydrad result. 
You're kinda hedgey about Teproc.

And the last sentence reads a lot like "Look at me, I'm trying to get a good lynch through, but will make sure that my hammer, should I provide it, is as towny-looking as possible!"

This reminds me that I need to reread you.

[Haddock]

Oh I meant to add.  The "inherent contradiction" part doesn't get you scum points, I don't think, that's a separate thing.

The other stuff stands though.

[iguanaiguana]

Alright. This is who I could lynch, in order from most to least likely to be scum.

1. Faust
2. Witherweaver
3&4. EgorK = Haddock
5. Hydrad
6. Teproc

The only reason I see for not lynching Hydrad is the mitigating evidence from WW.  Teproc could be scum, but as town he seems pretty helpful to town, so I like him least of everyone listed. So since WW/Faust doesn't look like its happening, honestly the bottom four are all really close. 

I would be willing to hammer anyone on this list after posting intent.

Hurr.

I'm not sure I like this post.
There's an inherent contradiction in saying you think faust or WW are likely scum but believe their Hydrad result. 
You're kinda hedgey about Teproc.

And the last sentence reads a lot like "Look at me, I'm trying to get a good lynch through, but will make sure that my hammer, should I provide it, is as towny-looking as possible!"

This reminds me that I need to reread you.

I'm not sure I like the post either. It's a post coming out of frustration with this game and how its not going anywhere, and how people are ignoring bold scummy moves in favor of nitpicking lurky or hedgy play and going after their null reads. The ironic thing about my frustration with the gamestate is certainly that its pushing me to be hedgy and even lurky too. Right now this game totally sucks.

I do somewhat-believe WW's result on Hydrad at least while Hydrad's still alive. It causes me to think slightly different about Hydrad than if no one had said anything about him. This is why I'd much rather see one of Faust/WW flip before making a judgment on what their results mean.

As for the hammering, whatever. Wagons are not forming. The only useful thing I thought I could do was show who I would be willing to lynch. I seriously have no idea how else to contribute to this game at this point.

[Haddock]

Nicely put. Yeah that's all fair enough.

I still need to reread you though.

[ashersky]

Day Two ends at 3:00 a.m. on December 19.

Please note that, due to expected unavailability on the 19th, I am moving the deadline up to the same time on Friday, December 18.

Thank you.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.10:

WW (3): Ampharos, faust, Hydrad
egork (4): iguana, Haddock, yuma, Teproc
haddock (3): WW, 2.7, EgorK

Not Voting (1): RR

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day Two ends at 3:00 a.m. on Friday, December 18.

[iguanaiguana]

Nicely put. Yeah that's all fair enough.

I still need to reread you though.

Go for it. You're a hero.

Well, or a villain.

[Ampharos]

I'm not sure I like the post either. It's a post coming out of frustration with this game and how its not going anywhere, and how people are ignoring bold scummy moves in favor of nitpicking lurky or hedgy play and going after their null reads. The ironic thing about my frustration with the gamestate is certainly that its pushing me to be hedgy and even lurky too. Right now this game totally sucks.

I do somewhat-believe WW's result on Hydrad at least while Hydrad's still alive. It causes me to think slightly different about Hydrad than if no one had said anything about him. This is why I'd much rather see one of Faust/WW flip before making a judgment on what their results mean.

As for the hammering, whatever. Wagons are not forming. The only useful thing I thought I could do was show who I would be willing to lynch. I seriously have no idea how else to contribute to this game at this point.

I feel the same way. 

And such I propose a novel new idea: We lynch the WW.

[Teproc]

Maybe we're ignoring "bold scummy moves" because, you know, we don't think they're townie, and we've spent 10 pages explaining why we don't think they're scummy and we'resick and tired of people complaining about other people disagreeing and how this game is so awful.