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Author Topic: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Town Wins!)  (Read 321875 times)

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #650 on: December 01, 2015, 09:25:53 am »

Vote: Ampharos
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #651 on: December 01, 2015, 09:28:42 am »

While RR is really scum here

Because he posted that rambling confessional?
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Igu is town or trying the hardest he ever has as scum.

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #652 on: December 01, 2015, 09:32:57 am »

RR is as obv!town as ever. that's good.

This also.
What about this?

I'll explain later.
I don't believe you.

Okay, I had to go find it to make sure I was remembering correctly.

Game that just ended, town!SS Day 1 about town!RR:

that said, roadrunner is obv!town with this list.

Doing the exact same thing you did in a previous town game, to the extent of using the same language, is scum.  Because it opens up the "he does that as town" defense.  And it's well within our memories as it just happened.

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #653 on: December 01, 2015, 09:40:47 am »


I guess that was awkwardly placed. It was a comment about the entire reads list, just accidentally placed under his null reads

but yes. three null reads aren't much. of course, null reads are worse than non-null reads, but I'm saying that a new town player would have a much harder time coming up with actual reads. Something like, 3 town reads, 1 scum read, rest null is what I would find towny.

Except that my lowest 'town' read was e, who I listed as being next to null, and the same more or less for WW on the other side! Plus I list you and Faust both as 'torn,' which is another way of saying that I have seen a confusing mix of scummy and apparently pro-town posts from you both that add up to me not having a strong opinion either way. To me this is another form of 'null.' If you don't like it, I don't know what to say, except I'm sorry but I intend to use it every game where someone is pushing me in both directions, so you'd better get used to it or you will always think I am scum.

At this point, I am pretty sure you will interpret nearly everything I say as scummy because you are already convinced of me. In fact, when I clarified my reasoning for my read on Yuma, you found it unfortunate that I could show it was authentic. So do I even respond to you anymore? What's even the point in continuing to defend myself when you are past the point of being willing to give me a chance?

This is a townie post.

You know, in case anyone was looking for one or anything.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #654 on: December 01, 2015, 10:10:00 am »

RR is as obv!town as ever. that's good.

This also.
What about this?

I'll explain later.
I don't believe you.

Okay, I had to go find it to make sure I was remembering correctly.

Game that just ended, town!SS Day 1 about town!RR:

that said, roadrunner is obv!town with this list.

Doing the exact same thing you did in a previous town game, to the extent of using the same language, is scum.  Because it opens up the "he does that as town" defense.  And it's well within our memories as it just happened.

I am not sure what you are saying here. i feel like I got lost somewhere in following.

Are you saying this implicates ss? cause I think it does. 1. for the point I think you brought up and 2. because he is suspecting iguana right now for making a reads list, but in that game he was giving out town credit for it?

1. I think is a stretch but 2. I think has more merit.

Did I really just talk myself back into being willing to vote for ss?

Yes, yes I did.
vote: ss
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #655 on: December 01, 2015, 11:14:12 am »

He's saying silver is deliberately replicating a precise line from a recent town game. I think you're saying the exact opposite ?
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #656 on: December 01, 2015, 11:16:06 am »

Well not the exact opposite, but WW's argument goes "silver is too eerily similar to a recent town game, seems fake", you're saying "look at how different silver is from his recent town game".
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #657 on: December 01, 2015, 11:17:12 am »

uhhhh what?

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #658 on: December 01, 2015, 11:17:29 am »

Actually let's skip the unexplained vote thing. It's fun but this game is already too scattered.

Hmm so I have no clue where the votes are. I'm just guessing ss is at around 4? that sounds like a good number to me. So he should be fine.

But now that I'm caught up who do I get to vote for...

lets go Vote: Iguana

This is a scummy, scummy vote. It gets by because Hydrad is Hydrad and he does this all the time but come on. I think Hydrad just says what he thinks all the time, and how does town!Hydrad think "oooh, I'm on a growing wagon, better get off it quickly for no reason".

I'm getting GOP Mafia flashbacks from this, where I let Hydrad get away with it because I kind of gave up any hope of reading him. I think town!Hydrad does at least try to help town when he's doing relevant stuff, and here I'm just getting a "whoopdidoo, who am I gonna vote now ? Who's a popular wagon, let's try that, could be fun".

Hydrad's sig is relevant here.

It is if you haven't read my case. Since you clearly haven't, I'll briefly reiterate it just for you. town!Hydrad might be scummy, but he's not disinterested. He's trying to help. Hydrad is not doing that this game.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #659 on: December 01, 2015, 11:18:42 am »

I made a reference. I make subtle references to things I know in fiction or things I've said before or things that someone has said to be all the time without anyone noticing them. It's such a basic part of my way of talking at this point that I barely even notice.

Claiming that's a scum tell is complete nonsense.

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #660 on: December 01, 2015, 11:19:11 am »

You're telling me I gotta read too?  Ain't nobody got time for that.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #661 on: December 01, 2015, 11:19:19 am »

Thinking about it more, I actually see what you're getting at yuma I think. You're saying he's trying to replicate his precedent town game and betrays himself by actually being illogical ?

I disagree, because I think there's nothing more scummy than logic, unfortunately.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #662 on: December 01, 2015, 11:19:44 am »

You're telling me I gotta read too?  Ain't nobody got time for that.

Seriously though, do you disagree with my point ?
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #663 on: December 01, 2015, 11:20:21 am »

you know, instead of actually giving me credit for accurately determining RR's alignment (insert gut feeling)

vote: WW

vote: iguanda

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #664 on: December 01, 2015, 11:20:59 am »

You're telling me I gotta read too?  Ain't nobody got time for that.

Seriously though, do you disagree with my point ?

Yeah, I think Hydrad is just being Hydrad, and he's not particularly helpful because he's been detached from all of Mafia as of late.  I would think that scum!Hydrad would try a little harder to appear helpful, but, hey, it's Hydrad. 
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #665 on: December 01, 2015, 11:22:24 am »

you know, instead of actually giving me credit for accurately determining RR's alignment (insert gut feeling)

vote: WW

vote: iguanda

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #666 on: December 01, 2015, 11:22:48 am »

you know, instead of actually giving me credit for accurately determining RR's alignment (insert gut feeling)

vote: WW

vote: iguanda

OMGUSBNETLMVOY

you could at least have the decency to give an actual response

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #667 on: December 01, 2015, 11:24:05 am »

Well not the exact opposite, but WW's argument goes "silver is too eerily similar to a recent town game, seems fake", you're saying "look at how different silver is from his recent town game".

Why can't it be both at the same time?

That said, like I said, I think #2 has a lot more weight than #1. WW's post just happened to showcase that and bring it to my attention, not that I necessarily agree with him.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #668 on: December 01, 2015, 11:27:39 am »

Thinking about it more, I actually see what you're getting at yuma I think. You're saying he's trying to replicate his precedent town game and betrays himself by actually being illogical ?

I disagree, because I think there's nothing more scummy than logic, unfortunately.

I think that is the opposite of what I am saying.

I am saying here he is finding iguana scummy for creating a reads list. There, when he was town, he gave RR obv!town points for it. I realized it because of WW's post from RMM28. That is an inconsistency. Inconsistency in and of itself isn't scummy, but trying to push a case based completely off that premise, which I frankly disagree with, is a bit more scummy.

And it isn't that he is being illogical. It is that he is being logical, but still not completely making sense. Do you remember how TA felt about me in GOP? That is how I feel about ss right now. He just feels off. Now, as I mentioned before part of that is that this might be the first time I have been town playing a game with him, but he still just feels different and isn't speaking the sense that I typically expect him to speak.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #669 on: December 01, 2015, 11:34:08 am »

I am saying here he is finding iguana scummy for creating a reads list. There, when he was town, he gave RR obv!town points for it. That is an inconsistency.

seriously?

you can't tell me that you are serious about this

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #670 on: December 01, 2015, 11:34:38 am »

he is finding iguana scummy for creating a reads list. There, when he was town, he gave RR obv!town points for it. That is an inconsistency.

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #671 on: December 01, 2015, 11:35:40 am »

Hey, yuma

you are giving me scum points for a post I made

earlier, you were giving me town points for a post I made

that's an inconsistency. vote: yuma

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #672 on: December 01, 2015, 11:36:08 am »

I am saying here he is finding iguana scummy for creating a reads list. There, when he was town, he gave RR obv!town points for it. That is an inconsistency.

seriously?

you can't tell me that you are serious about this

I really have no desire to interact with you when you want to turn this into a screaming match...
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #673 on: December 01, 2015, 11:36:44 am »

Hey, yuma

you are giving me scum points for a post I made

earlier, you were giving me town points for a post I made

that's an inconsistency. vote: yuma

and now you are OMGUSing

Great.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #674 on: December 01, 2015, 11:37:05 am »

I've trouble deciding whether I believe that town yuma would pursue such an incredibly poor argument. if not, my vote might actually be fine now.
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