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Author Topic: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Town Wins!)  (Read 322010 times)

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #550 on: November 30, 2015, 06:03:34 pm »

among similar threads gives me a feeling of fake "gut" scum hunting.  Mainly, I don't actually believe that Silverspawn is subconsciously screaming "scum!" from that post.  It makes me think that Silver is trying to look town by throwing off a lot of "feelings" posts.  He's also throwing out a lot of votes in different places, which can, of course, be a townie thing to do, but it's also a thing to do because you think that's what you do as town.

that might actually be something I would do as scum.

Okay, but since that post is probably the single scummiest thing that happened this game, I'm pretty sure I can prove you false by actually exploring the reasons why, which I think I could but have been too lazy to do earlier.

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #551 on: November 30, 2015, 06:03:52 pm »

see, this is one of the reasons why you are scummy, although not the most important one.

You think reads lists are towny. So you make a reads list, and now you expect to be towny because of it.

It does not work that way. towniness is not some progressive point gathering, it's a judgement of your alignment. Every scum can sit down and write a reads list. It depends on the content.

That's bad for you both because you have being towny in the forefront of your mind, and because you gave Amph unjustified town points.

This I also see as more rhetoric.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #552 on: November 30, 2015, 06:04:13 pm »

we've been over this; you are obv!town.
Why!does!everyone!do!this!
Seriously, no one has told me why.

Alright, if I'm so obviously town, then I have two questions:
1. Why is Egor voting for me?
2. What was my giveaway?
PPE 2
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #553 on: November 30, 2015, 06:04:42 pm »

Wow, lots happened. Including some reads lists. Now the game feels like it is really moving.

Time to post my own reads list I think.

This section just gives me all the scum feels

Again one of these; I don't believe this statement from Silver. 
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #554 on: November 30, 2015, 06:05:20 pm »

This I have a problem with as well.  "what, exactly, is the point of this post?" is more rhetoric than scumhunting.  Followed by more theory talk.

no... that was relevant

what happened there was

- I said igu was scummy, and gave two or so reasons
- Amph used a general argument against non-meta tells that has nothing to do with my post as an argument against my case. that's scummy. I was going to say that later.

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #555 on: November 30, 2015, 06:06:47 pm »

RR is as obv!town as ever. that's good.

This also.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #556 on: November 30, 2015, 06:09:03 pm »

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #557 on: November 30, 2015, 06:09:24 pm »

we've been over this; you are obv!town.
Why!does!everyone!do!this!
Seriously, no one has told me why.

It's an easy to understand and quickly to type syntax. you can say {aligment}!{player} or {characteristic}!{player} and it's much faster than typing it out. if I write out "I don't think scum!RR does this" I'd have to say "I don't think RR is as likely to do this if he was scum"

Alright, if I'm so obviously town, then I have two questions:
1. Why is Egor voting for me?
well, either because he thinks you're scummy or because he's scum and tried to appear towny.

I never said everyone would agree that you're town. Just I see it. But that's because I'm the best at reading you!

2. What was my giveaway?
sorry :P I won't answer that

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #559 on: November 30, 2015, 06:12:32 pm »

Of course you won't!

I swear, one of these days when I'm town I will act as scummy as I can. We'll see if people try to lynch me.

I will keep my vote where it is.

What else?
Oh yeah, I'm just gonna sit in the dark. Scum!this game (I did that wrong) are playing well. Also, my reads are trash.
PPE
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #561 on: November 30, 2015, 06:16:52 pm »

Of course you won't!

I swear, one of these days when I'm town I will act as scummy as I can. We'll see if people try to lynch me.

I will keep my vote where it is.

What else?
Oh yeah, I'm just gonna sit in the dark. Scum!this game (I did that wrong) are playing well. Also, my reads are trash.
PPE

I guess it'd be MarvelHeroes!scum ? I like it.

Your reads aren't any more awful than anyone else's. The trick is to act a lot more confident than you actually are (see: anyone calling anyone obv!town). Maybe you'll go back on your reads later, but at least you have a chance of creating some meaningful interaction in the meantime.

As for acting scummy on purpose to see what town does... well I don't recommend it. Getting mislynched is no fun.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #562 on: November 30, 2015, 06:18:15 pm »

PPE : yuma, to clarify, this is not your usual self-voting policy vote, right ? Since he switched.

It is and it isn't. Just because he invited doesn't mean I shouldn't vote him for self voting earlier. I am happy with my vote where it is right now. I might change it, I might not.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #563 on: November 30, 2015, 06:25:03 pm »

So scummy things about the igu reads list. there's a lot of stuff early...

Wow, lots happened. Including some reads lists. Now the game feels like it is really moving.

applauding town for making progress is scummy. I'm sure there are some players who do it as town, but I'm reasonably certain that new players are more likely to do it when they're scum. Like, "the game moving, and I'm helping!". Town does not need to say this.

Time to post my own reads list I think.
"... because that will make me towny!"

The claim means a lot. The posts pushing the game further help more. Some people are leaning slight town on Yuma; to me Yuma is the only obv!town player here. Like, I would be really surprised if he was fakeclaiming his role, and scum with a random vig doesn't make any sense at all.
Excessive buddying of a "semi-ic" is undoubtedly a scumtell (for newer players). Have you ever seen a new scum do the opposite?

From here on, it's less clear, but the whole thing is still scummy for being very, very easy to fabricate. This is the kind of list that everyone can write, all day. It pretends to be content, but it's not.

Long, fluffy, and careful. Look at this:

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Haddock: Like a lot of people, I'm having trouble reading Haddock. I want to say that most of his posts seem helpful, and that puts him on the slightly townier side of null for me.

Awaclus & Hydrad: I haven't seen enough from either player to have an opinion one way or another. Would like to see more attention paid to both.

I would also prefer more null reads.

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He's close enough to null that I could still be convinced he's town, but still looking scummier than most other people.

irrks

That was the bulk of it, I think. It is overall just exactly what a new player's scum list will look like.

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #564 on: November 30, 2015, 06:27:55 pm »

actually, that buddying makes yuma more towny now that I think about it. scum!yuma would have discussed this  in the QT and I doubt he would have told igu to buddy him like this.

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #565 on: November 30, 2015, 06:33:05 pm »

anyone calling anyone obv!town

dunno, I am pretty darn confident that RR is town

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #566 on: November 30, 2015, 06:36:22 pm »

oh my goodness. 4 pages since I last looked that picked up fast. Ok I'm going to be reading them now and responding.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #567 on: November 30, 2015, 06:36:38 pm »

and then absolutely no-one says anything. well, I can't blame you for staring in awe at the grandeur of my case!

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #568 on: November 30, 2015, 06:38:37 pm »

Vote: Yellow Pokèmon Guy

For the record, I disapprove of this... nickname ? I'd much prefer if we stuck to easily understandable abreviations if we must.

sounds good I'll stop using it!
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #569 on: November 30, 2015, 06:39:35 pm »

We could lynch Awaclus? He's scum all the time

vote: Awaclus

I'd be willing to go awaclus also! (I guess I shouldn't vote until I see what the vote count is at)
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #570 on: November 30, 2015, 06:42:23 pm »

Also, because I darn well want to:

unvote
Vote: faust

I find it interesting how you have egork and haddock as kinda scummy people in your read list and then you vote faust. would you change faust to scummy read if you made another list right now?
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #571 on: November 30, 2015, 06:43:01 pm »

vote: Haddock

pretty sure haddock was scummy. Awaclus vote was more of a joke

Sadness...
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #572 on: November 30, 2015, 06:43:32 pm »

Also, because I darn well want to:

unvote
Vote: faust

I find it interesting how you have egork and haddock as kinda scummy people in your read list and then you vote faust. would you change faust to scummy read if you made another list right now?

You own Ichimaru (can't say IG in this game) some money. What do you mean by "interesting" here ?
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #573 on: November 30, 2015, 06:43:41 pm »

okay, let's do this instead

vote: Hydrad

a reread reveals one post of content, the first one, which is scummy, and after that a lot of fluff and jokes. The jokes are pretty funny, but that doesn't make him any more town.

also not a lot of posts period.

And this one is even worse!
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #574 on: November 30, 2015, 06:45:30 pm »

ok... well imma thinking vote: egorK

Was your trigger "If he makes one more useful post, I swear to God !" ?

@silver : what was scummy about his first post ?

Nope. And I don't consider the post he just posted useful...

My thought was...

"hmmm he started out pretty active but once it was mentioned and some of his posts were questioned he clammed up and disappeared."

As I had that thought I saw that he was online and that he had stated he was going to do a reread of stuff over the weekend, so I thought I would give him a chance to see if he was posting and what he was going to post, hence my post stating I was thinking about moving my vote.

And when he posted it looked like a filler post to keep from being prodded but nothing more than that and so I felt he was continuing his keeping quiet schtick, which isn't unusual for EgorK, I will admit, but I did think that his being active early was. What struck me was how he changed once called out on it. If he had posted more and of more substance then I might have seen that as just him wanting to be more active and the blip in activity that I noticed an aberration. But right now I think he started out 1. as mafia 2. wanting to be more active so he wouldn't be a day1 or day2 lurker lynch 3. got called out for it 4. panicked a bit and went back into lurker mode.

So I am voting him. You should too!

hmm interesting. I'll look more into this case. sounds fun.
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