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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #475 on: November 30, 2015, 01:12:59 pm »

A lot happened on weekend? There are same 4 pages generated today by noon, about the same amount as on 2 days before. And out of them only YPG stuff caught my attention, and I already commented on that. Also you are repeating yourself, when you drove my lynch in GOP you also told that you "guessed what scum would post here". This is starting to be alarming

There was enough that I needed to get caught up on when I came back, so yeah, there was what I would term "a lot"

And if you are alarmed you should vote for me. Don't try and shrug off my suspicion on you by passively alluding to a game where I was scum. Just because I replicated a scum hunting tactic as scum doesn't mean it isn't legitimate to use it as town.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #476 on: November 30, 2015, 01:20:55 pm »

Wow, lots happened. Including some reads lists. Now the game feels like it is really moving.

Time to post my own reads list I think.

Towny:

Yuma

The claim means a lot. The posts pushing the game further help more. Some people are leaning slight town on Yuma; to me Yuma is the only obv!town player here. Like, I would be really surprised if he was fakeclaiming his role, and scum with a random vig doesn't make any sense at all.

Roadrunner

Who was it who pointed out that scum Roadrunner would have very little incentive to post a long rant/essay during the middle of an otherwise quiet period of the game, when no one was paying attention to him otherwise? It's a good point; for now at least I think I agree. Roadrunner has been very fond of writing long rants lately. The question is whether they are scum rants or town rants. This one looks very towny to me.

Ampharos

Basically, I got exactly what I was hoping I would get from Ampharos, which is a meaningful contribution to the game. His first few posts looked scummy to me, but now it looks more like he was drawing attention to himself because he knew he could show himself to be towny under scrutiny. At the same time, Ampharos seems like kind of a loose cannon. And that makes him harder to trust.

Teproc

Hmmm, so Teproc thinks I look like scum. He says I look very towny in my other game, but what I remember from that game was people calling me mildly scummy or scummy the whole way through. But despite his gunning for me, Teproc looks a lot like town to me here. He's reading the game carefully & paying attention to details. Also, except for his read on me, I think I mainly agree with his reads. 

e: He hasn't said much, but what he's said so far has been helpful. I'm not convinced either way, but I have a slight town read on him for now.

Null or Torn:


Haddock: Like a lot of people, I'm having trouble reading Haddock. I want to say that most of his posts seem helpful, and that puts him on the slightly townier side of null for me.

Awaclus & Hydrad: I haven't seen enough from either player to have an opinion one way or another. Would like to see more attention paid to both.

silverspawn: silverspawn called our argument productive. It did not feel productive to me. I did not get strong town reads on him; more I just felt confused like I didn't know how to read him well. I haven't seen a lot of strong pro-town posts from him since then, but he has been really active and I'm not sure if scum wants to risk all of that activity. I really don't know what to think. I guess that leaves me on the slightly scummy side of null.

Faust: Faust's change in playstyle this game is still unnerving to me, but his response to me when I questioned it seemed authentic. Sometimes it seems like he's being helpful, sometimes it just looks like he's being venomous for no reason. So yeah, I'm torn. Overall I'm not really digging this new Faust who criticizes everything I say.

Scummy:


Witherweaver: I remember in the last game feeling like Witherweaver was posting a lot of short fluffy stuff and not being very helpful. Then, somehow, he survived the entire game and won as scum. He's acting the same way in this game, so that makes me not trust him very much so far. He's close enough to null that I could still be convinced he's town, but still looking scummier than most other people.

EgorK: Yuma is (IMO) the towniest player here, and his case on EgorK makes sense to me. Plus, a lot of Egor's reads just seem bad. He's also going after some pretty easy targets (RR, Hydrad) and that makes him look worse. So I guess for now Egor is my top scum read.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #477 on: November 30, 2015, 01:21:13 pm »

Vote: EgorK
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #478 on: November 30, 2015, 01:29:02 pm »

calling a Hydrad - yuma - iguanda team

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #479 on: November 30, 2015, 01:31:23 pm »

calling a Hydrad - yuma - iguanda team

Um, okay, you do that!
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #480 on: November 30, 2015, 01:31:53 pm »

calling a Hydrad - yuma - iguanda team

I seriously doubt that.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #481 on: November 30, 2015, 01:34:16 pm »

calling a Hydrad - yuma - iguanda team

I seriously doubt that.

I do too

Nonetheless, vote: igu. His reads list screams scum to me. I'm not sure why yet, but once I know, I'll probably let you know.

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #482 on: November 30, 2015, 01:44:55 pm »

Vote Count 1.6:

iguanaiguana (2): Teproc, ss
silverspawn (1): Hydrad
Witherweaver (1): Awaclus
Ampharos (1): faust
faust (1): Ampharos
Haddock (1): Witherweaver
EgorK (3): Haddock, yuma, iguana
RR (1): EgorK

Not Voting (2): RR, 2.7

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December 8 at 9:00 a.m. forum time.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #483 on: November 30, 2015, 01:46:36 pm »

Ampharos (1): faust
faust (1): Ampharos

That's too cute.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #484 on: November 30, 2015, 01:47:27 pm »

Ampharos (1): faust
faust (1): Ampharos

That's too cute.

Scum partners, obv.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #485 on: November 30, 2015, 01:51:29 pm »

A lot happened on weekend? There are same 4 pages generated today by noon, about the same amount as on 2 days before. And out of them only YPG stuff caught my attention, and I already commented on that. Also you are repeating yourself, when you drove my lynch in GOP you also told that you "guessed what scum would post here". This is starting to be alarming

There was enough that I needed to get caught up on when I came back, so yeah, there was what I would term "a lot"

And if you are alarmed you should vote for me. Don't try and shrug off my suspicion on you by passively alluding to a game where I was scum. Just because I replicated a scum hunting tactic as scum doesn't mean it isn't legitimate to use it as town.

Just because I find something about your play alarming doesn't mean that I should stop voting my top scum read (which got only stronger because of what we can't reference here) and disregard consequences of your claim
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #486 on: November 30, 2015, 01:51:55 pm »

Ampharos (1): faust
faust (1): Ampharos

That's too cute.

Scum partners, obv.

Faustaros <3  We've been going steady for quite some time now.   Like 3 minutes.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #487 on: November 30, 2015, 01:53:41 pm »

Meta sidenote : as it happens I genuinely don't know what Egork is referring to when he says he "can't talk about something" because I'm not involved in other games... but saying that way only makes people wonder, which defeats the purpose of not talking about ongoing games. I think the best way to approach is to say "gut read" or something.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #488 on: November 30, 2015, 02:09:53 pm »

calling a Hydrad - yuma - iguanda team

I seriously doubt that.

I do too

Nonetheless, vote: igu. His reads list screams scum to me. I'm not sure why yet, but once I know, I'll probably let you know.

So I put out a reads list where I explicitly state that I haven't completely changed my read on you, and now not only do you think I am scum again but you think you have the whole scum team figured out?
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #489 on: November 30, 2015, 02:28:53 pm »

Ampharos

Basically, I got exactly what I was hoping I would get from Ampharos, which is a meaningful contribution to the game. His first few posts looked scummy to me, but now it looks more like he was drawing attention to himself because he knew he could show himself to be towny under scrutiny. At the same time, Ampharos seems like kind of a loose cannon. And that makes him harder to trust.

Wow, I don't get what you're saying here... I mean, I really don't. This description could be under "Ampharos is scummy" without having to change anything. What exactly points to him being town? It is most curios how the wagon suddenly puffed away for no real reason.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #490 on: November 30, 2015, 02:30:04 pm »

And WW is a blank page as always. His playstyle is way more anti-town than that of Awaclus.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #491 on: November 30, 2015, 02:41:54 pm »

Ampharos

Basically, I got exactly what I was hoping I would get from Ampharos, which is a meaningful contribution to the game. His first few posts looked scummy to me, but now it looks more like he was drawing attention to himself because he knew he could show himself to be towny under scrutiny. At the same time, Ampharos seems like kind of a loose cannon. And that makes him harder to trust.

Wow, I don't get what you're saying here... I mean, I really don't. This description could be under "Ampharos is scummy" without having to change anything. What exactly points to him being town? It is most curios how the wagon suddenly puffed away for no real reason.

Maybe I am just showing my newbie idiocy here, but I still feel like putting all of your thoughts out into the open is townie, because scum would prefer to keep their ideas shrouded in secrecy. They are the ones with things to hide. So yeah Ampharos' reads list makes him look town, whereas the people who just attack everything while not contributing their thoughts themselves still look like scum to me.

If this is stupid or wrong, then I guess you'd better school me in the ways of playing the game backwards.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #492 on: November 30, 2015, 02:46:15 pm »

see, this is one of the reasons why you are scummy, although not the most important one.

You think reads lists are towny. So you make a reads list, and now you expect to be towny because of it.

It does not work that way. towniness is not some progressive point gathering, it's a judgement of your alignment. Every scum can sit down and write a reads list. It depends on the content.

That's bad for you both because you have being towny in the forefront of your mind, and because you gave Amph unjustified town points.

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #493 on: November 30, 2015, 02:47:50 pm »

Ampharos

Basically, I got exactly what I was hoping I would get from Ampharos, which is a meaningful contribution to the game. His first few posts looked scummy to me, but now it looks more like he was drawing attention to himself because he knew he could show himself to be towny under scrutiny. At the same time, Ampharos seems like kind of a loose cannon. And that makes him harder to trust.

Wow, I don't get what you're saying here... I mean, I really don't. This description could be under "Ampharos is scummy" without having to change anything. What exactly points to him being town? It is most curios how the wagon suddenly puffed away for no real reason.

Maybe I am just showing my newbie idiocy here, but I still feel like putting all of your thoughts out into the open is townie, because scum would prefer to keep their ideas shrouded in secrecy. They are the ones with things to hide. So yeah Ampharos' reads list makes him look town, whereas the people who just attack everything while not contributing their thoughts themselves still look like scum to me.

If this is stupid or wrong, then I guess you'd better school me in the ways of playing the game backwards.

I don't know what I did to deserve this kind of attitude... but well. You could have explained what you meant with that read, which would have benefitted town. Instead you are agitating against me (I think? I'm not even sure. Where have I kept my ideas "shrouded in secrecy"?) and suddenly bring up a new point (Ampharos's reads list) that you didn't even mention before.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #494 on: November 30, 2015, 02:48:40 pm »

Wow, lots happened. Including some reads lists. Now the game feels like it is really moving.

Time to post my own reads list I think.

This section just gives me all the scum feels

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #495 on: November 30, 2015, 02:49:33 pm »

see, this is one of the reasons why you are scummy, although not the most important one.

You think reads lists are towny. So you make a reads list, and now you expect to be towny because of it.

It does not work that way. towniness is not some progressive point gathering, it's a judgement of your alignment. Every scum can sit down and write a reads list. It depends on the content.

That's bad for you both because you have being towny in the forefront of your mind, and because you gave Amph unjustified town points.

Is it Iguana being scummy or actually thinking that?  Just because he says something that could be scummy does not mean it is.  Most everything in this game is WIFOM and up to personal opinion.

I'd bet my non-existent hat you both are town.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #496 on: November 30, 2015, 02:50:24 pm »

ITT : faust thinks his name is "scum".
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #497 on: November 30, 2015, 02:51:58 pm »

I'd bet my non-existent hat you both are town.

Better bet I am town because then you'd have 2 imaginary hats
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #498 on: November 30, 2015, 02:52:50 pm »

Ampharos

Basically, I got exactly what I was hoping I would get from Ampharos, which is a meaningful contribution to the game. His first few posts looked scummy to me, but now it looks more like he was drawing attention to himself because he knew he could show himself to be towny under scrutiny. At the same time, Ampharos seems like kind of a loose cannon. And that makes him harder to trust.

Wow, I don't get what you're saying here... I mean, I really don't. This description could be under "Ampharos is scummy" without having to change anything. What exactly points to him being town? It is most curios how the wagon suddenly puffed away for no real reason.

Maybe I am just showing my newbie idiocy here, but I still feel like putting all of your thoughts out into the open is townie, because scum would prefer to keep their ideas shrouded in secrecy. They are the ones with things to hide. So yeah Ampharos' reads list makes him look town, whereas the people who just attack everything while not contributing their thoughts themselves still look like scum to me.

If this is stupid or wrong, then I guess you'd better school me in the ways of playing the game backwards.

I don't know what I did to deserve this kind of attitude... but well. You could have explained what you meant with that read, which would have benefitted town. Instead you are agitating against me (I think? I'm not even sure. Where have I kept my ideas "shrouded in secrecy"?) and suddenly bring up a new point (Ampharos's reads list) that you didn't even mention before.

To be fair, most of your posts have a peanut gallery feel to them, where you're sitting to the side, throwing out comments about ongoings.  Not saying that you're doing nothing, but there's a lot that would be tough to call constructive or helpful.  I'm in no way insulting you, but stating my strong suspicion of you and agreement with Iguana in this case.  (Boy I'm agreeing with him a lot lately.  Ig you better not be scum or I'm donezo if you ever get lynched/inspected).

I like my vote where it is, for now.  <3 faustaros is real
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #499 on: November 30, 2015, 02:53:43 pm »

I'd bet my non-existent hat you both are town.

That's interesting; in your previous reads list, iguana and silver only showed up as light town. What changed? Or are you just in a gambling mood?
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