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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2325 on: December 15, 2015, 03:20:51 pm »

Okay, that was scummy.

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2326 on: December 15, 2015, 03:21:14 pm »

Okay, that was scummy.

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But whyyyy
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2327 on: December 15, 2015, 03:49:03 pm »

Okay, that was scummy.

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2328 on: December 15, 2015, 03:49:42 pm »

Okay, that was scummy.

Vote: Hydrad
Ugh

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does that mean you disagree with the vote on me. because thats what I hope it means.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2329 on: December 15, 2015, 03:54:15 pm »

Her's the thing AMpharos : you're focusing on the weaker parts of the argument against scum!WW, which are all the breadcrumb things. I mostly agree with you that the breadcrumbs are mostly null.

In the process, you are ignoring the fact that, while it might be a convenient claim, it's a very specific claim, and not as convenient as it could be. Why doesn't WW claim to be a town role having targeted HYdrad here ? Why does he complicate his life by directly contradicting faust, yet not really pushing for his lynch ?

Because having targetted silver would not have fit his behaviour at all. Also, if he had claimed that, we would have lynched him.

Would we have? I don't think I would have...

I really think a main difference in how I am approaching the game and how you are approaching the game is that it feels like you are playing this like it is an open setup and there can't be anything that affected your investigation on WW. You feel like it must be known (how I don't know).

But this isn't an open setup. It is closed. There is the potential for interference with result in a myriad of ways, some of them we have talked about others we couldn't anticipate because this is a closed setup. I want to try and get more information about this before making a decision.

It isn't like your investigation result is just going to disappear... at least it shouldn't and if I am alive in the coming days and if I feel like it is relevant and we learn more that implicates WW or learn there isn't anything holding him up... we will lynch him. I think we can sit on your result and make sure it is what it is and not lose anything in the process.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2330 on: December 15, 2015, 03:56:24 pm »

Okay, that was scummy.

Vote: Hydrad
Ugh

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does that mean you disagree with the vote on me. because thats what I hope it means.

another time, another place ....

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I would be fine with someone voting you. But iguana was voting for egork. we finally, FINALLY!, got him to L-1 and the next post he moves his vote... to the person who finally got EgorK to L-1. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2331 on: December 15, 2015, 04:02:29 pm »

Yuma, putting me L-1 achieves what exactly? Forcing me to claim? It won't be too exciting. Lynching me? One more mislynch. And with there possibly edirector of some sort, you can't even shoot safely to increase variance. Nothing good would be done
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2332 on: December 15, 2015, 04:03:46 pm »

Her's the thing AMpharos : you're focusing on the weaker parts of the argument against scum!WW, which are all the breadcrumb things. I mostly agree with you that the breadcrumbs are mostly null.

In the process, you are ignoring the fact that, while it might be a convenient claim, it's a very specific claim, and not as convenient as it could be. Why doesn't WW claim to be a town role having targeted HYdrad here ? Why does he complicate his life by directly contradicting faust, yet not really pushing for his lynch ?

Because having targetted silver would not have fit his behaviour at all. Also, if he had claimed that, we would have lynched him.

Would we have? I don't think I would have...

I really think a main difference in how I am approaching the game and how you are approaching the game is that it feels like you are playing this like it is an open setup and there can't be anything that affected your investigation on WW. You feel like it must be known (how I don't know).

But this isn't an open setup. It is closed. There is the potential for interference with result in a myriad of ways, some of them we have talked about others we couldn't anticipate because this is a closed setup. I want to try and get more information about this before making a decision.

It isn't like your investigation result is just going to disappear... at least it shouldn't and if I am alive in the coming days and if I feel like it is relevant and we learn more that implicates WW or learn there isn't anything holding him up... we will lynch him. I think we can sit on your result and make sure it is what it is and not lose anything in the process.

Well, this is what I don't get. Sure there could be other yet unknown reasons for what happened. Any explanation that has been given so far does not make a ton of sense to me though. And surely, we can never be 100% sure. Well guess what: Neither can we be 100% sure about Egor. Yet for some reason you seem to believe that Egor is a better lynch than WW for some unfathomable reason.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2333 on: December 15, 2015, 04:05:05 pm »

I guess I got too agitated when posting that. I am sorry for any repetitions I apologize.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2334 on: December 15, 2015, 04:05:56 pm »

Intent to hammer
This day has been less productive than a UN meeting. I think we are about done here.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2335 on: December 15, 2015, 04:07:12 pm »

Intent to hammer
This day has been less productive than a UN meeting. I think we are about done here.
PPE 1

I don't think hes at L-1 any more. well I would have to double check though.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2336 on: December 15, 2015, 04:08:43 pm »

Ya I'm pretty sure egorks just at L-2 again since iguana wants to murder me now.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2337 on: December 15, 2015, 04:08:48 pm »

Intent to hammer
This day has been less productive than a UN meeting. I think we are about done here.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2338 on: December 15, 2015, 04:16:50 pm »

Intent to hammer
This day has been less productive than a UN meeting. I think we are about done here.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2339 on: December 15, 2015, 04:21:34 pm »

Yet for some reason you seem to believe that Egor is a better lynch than WW for some unfathomable reason.

Simply put: reads. PRs are good and all and investigation results are great. But at the end of the day the game comes down to reads. I think Egork is scummy. I don't think WW is. I want more to show that WW is mafia before I change my read... I mean it has changed already to more scummy, but we have an opportunity to learn more via his/others roles.

I think EgorK is scummy. And right now there isn't anything to indicate from PRs one way or the other nor do I anticipate there will be in the future--at least not to the extent that we hope to get from information about WW going forward. So I am more ok lynching him.

And no worries about tone/agitation
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2340 on: December 15, 2015, 04:42:21 pm »

Okay, that was scummy.

Vote: Hydrad

I disagree that this vote is scummy.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2341 on: December 15, 2015, 04:43:20 pm »

Which one?  The one that igu is calling scummy or the igu vote itself?
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2342 on: December 15, 2015, 04:43:47 pm »

Okay, that was scummy.

Vote: Hydrad

I disagree that this vote is scummy.

(Hydrad's vote, that is) I think iguana's vote is unfortunate, and don't see how hydrad's behavior trumps his previous read on egork.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2343 on: December 15, 2015, 04:44:19 pm »

Yeah, sorry. I was unintentionally ambiguous there
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2344 on: December 15, 2015, 05:08:35 pm »

Also, I don't believe in intent to hammer
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2345 on: December 15, 2015, 05:10:57 pm »

Also, I don't believe in intent to hammer

wait. do you mean you don't believe in people posting their intent to hammer ever? that they should just hammer instead?
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2346 on: December 15, 2015, 05:18:07 pm »

Also, I don't believe in intent to hammer

It's nice for claims. I find myself regretting the time where we just claimed at L-1 (or didn't, but that was that), because derphammers were less of a threat then.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2347 on: December 15, 2015, 05:18:58 pm »

claiming at L-2 is the new way to go Teproc...
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2348 on: December 15, 2015, 05:20:36 pm »

Roadrunner : you were about to vote. That was nice.
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Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2349 on: December 15, 2015, 05:22:36 pm »

I guess RR is voting, nevermind.
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