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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2015, 12:52:30 pm »
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So there is no wording that works :(
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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2015, 12:59:47 pm »
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So there is no wording that works :(

Just "Gain a card costing up to $6P."
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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2015, 01:25:56 pm »
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Tables' helpful diagram was here:

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=9621.msg307002#msg307002
let's be honest. You just linked there because you wanted us to read how you explained a joke  ;)
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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2015, 01:30:31 pm »
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So there is no wording that works :(

Just "Gain a card costing up to $6P."

Or "Gain a card costing less than $6P that is not a victory card".  This allows Gold and Potion costs, excluding Possession, which I think is what pops was going for.
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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2015, 01:31:09 pm »
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Holy #%^$ eHalcyon is a genius!
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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2015, 01:36:01 pm »
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So there is no wording that works :(

Just "Gain a card costing up to $6P."

Or "Gain a card costing less than $6P that is not a victory card".  This allows Gold and Potion costs, excluding Possession, which I think is what pops was going for.

I figured the "that is not a victory card" part was implied. 

Edit: But, oh, I didn't know Possession was intended to be excluded.
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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2015, 09:07:05 pm »
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You can still gain Possession though. Every game with Bag of Holding also includes Princess.
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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2015, 09:28:28 pm »
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You can still gain Possession though. Every game with Bag of Holding also includes Princess.
Hahaha, true.  If they play both in one turn, they've earned it.
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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2015, 10:09:47 pm »
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Or "Gain a card costing less than $6P that is not a victory card".  This allows Gold and Potion costs, excluding Possession, which I think is what pops was going for.

"Up to $5P" would match existing cards more closely, right? I think "less than" is only used in reference to another card's cost, not in reference to a set cost.
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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2015, 10:29:53 pm »
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"Up to 5P" doesn't allow you to gain a Gold.  "Less than 6P" does.  That's what Ehalcyon's hack was unexpected and clever to me.

It sticks with the convention, "Use 'up to' unless you have a reason to use 'less than'", because there's a reason to use "less than" here.
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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2015, 11:32:29 am »
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Potions are Peas, coins are Coconuts. Six Coconuts are not more than four Coconuts and a Pea. Neither are they less. Because neither is a real subset of the other.

The whole Potion-comparison thing is in the rulebook. Why are people still getting this wrong?
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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2015, 12:19:09 pm »
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Because I haven't bought a physical copy of Alchemy
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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2015, 12:24:05 pm »
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Also, out of peas.
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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2015, 05:04:40 pm »
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Potions are Peas, coins are Coconuts. Six Coconuts are not more than four Coconuts and a Pea. Neither are they less. Because neither is a real subset of the other.

The whole Potion-comparison thing is in the rulebook. Why are people still getting this wrong?

Because imaginary numbers are hard.
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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2015, 05:07:42 pm »
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Potions are Peas, coins are Coconuts. Six Coconuts are not more than four Coconuts and a Pea. Neither are they less. Because neither is a real subset of the other.

The whole Potion-comparison thing is in the rulebook. Why are people still getting this wrong?

Because imaginary numbers are complex.

Fixed that for you.

(But I'm guessing that was the joke.)
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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2015, 06:54:42 am »
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Potions are Peas, coins are Coconuts. Six Coconuts are not more than four Coconuts and a Pea. Neither are they less. Because neither is a real subset of the other.

The whole Potion-comparison thing is in the rulebook. Why are people still getting this wrong?

Because imaginary numbers are hard.

So are Coconuts. Allthough i don't see why either statement is relevant to understanding Potion costs. If you need imaginary numbers, i get the feeling you are overthinking this a bit.
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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2015, 09:05:20 pm »
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Potions are Peas, coins are Coconuts. Six Coconuts are not more than four Coconuts and a Pea. Neither are they less. Because neither is a real subset of the other.

The whole Potion-comparison thing is in the rulebook. Why are people still getting this wrong?

Because imaginary numbers are hard.

So are Coconuts. Allthough i don't see why either statement is relevant to understanding Potion costs. If you need imaginary numbers, i get the feeling you are overthinking this a bit.

Imaginary numbers are simply another example of a situation where you have numbers that are counted along 2 separate axis, just like coins + potions.
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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2015, 04:34:33 am »
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Potions are Peas, coins are Coconuts. Six Coconuts are not more than four Coconuts and a Pea. Neither are they less. Because neither is a real subset of the other.

The whole Potion-comparison thing is in the rulebook. Why are people still getting this wrong?

Because imaginary numbers are hard.

So are Coconuts. Allthough i don't see why either statement is relevant to understanding Potion costs. If you need imaginary numbers, i get the feeling you are overthinking this a bit.

Imaginary numbers are simply another example of a situation where you have numbers that are counted along 2 separate axis, just like coins + potions.

I see. Thank you for explaining it. Makes sense, then.
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Re: Bag of Holding - variant on Bag of Gold
« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2018, 03:32:55 pm »
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I remembered this thread recently because Nocturne brought us a card with the text "gain a card costing up to $6" in Wish. Magic Lamp is taken, but maybe this card should now be called "Genie On-Demand?"
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