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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #300 on: October 16, 2015, 12:36:23 pm »

Like, I suspect you're secretly a really good Mafia player playing up being a newbie.
I'm suprised you're the first person to suggest that. Does that make me scum?
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #301 on: October 16, 2015, 12:47:01 pm »

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #302 on: October 16, 2015, 01:39:10 pm »

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #303 on: October 16, 2015, 02:06:09 pm »

WW, can you explain what is so suspicious about faust's play? Seems fine to me.

Early on I felt, man Faust has not really done anything, but it was early.  Then he got a wagon on him fast and seemingly without reason, which he didn't really react to (or at least he felt particularly absent).  It's an early wagon and no reason to think it would result in a lynch, but I think scum is more likely to not say a lot and let it fizzle than town is.  Also, it's the kind of thing Faust usually says a lot about.  Then possible issues with Haddock.  And Faust's reads list, which just feels scummy.

I never really considered the votes on me a "wagon"; they were just a bunch of uncorrelated RVS votes. I think I would have said more about it if I were scum... but then again, who am I to judge?

Haddock I agree was a bit weird, well, I can do nothing about it, I'm still town. I don't know why my reads list got so much attention; I usually do this... I guess I didn't cross off people? Mostly I cross off people. I just had town reads on some players and thought I could share them. And while doing that I thought I could also try to find out whether I already have some reads on the other players.
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #304 on: October 16, 2015, 02:08:53 pm »

I feel like some people need some motivation to contribute... Hydrad, Ichi, gkrieg have been absent.

Out of those, vote: gkrieg because there's no vote on him yet, and I'm a Berlin hipster.
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #305 on: October 16, 2015, 02:33:31 pm »

This is the least Faust thing that this Faust has ever Fausted.
This.

Is this RR's first game also?

I actually like a vote: Haddock at this point. Something I hadn't thought of earlier was I can easily see newbie scum trying to get town points for projecting concern about quicklynches or something.
In my first scum (and in general) game, I recall playing up my newbieness to the point of garnering suspicion for it. I legitimately had a lot of questions and felt confused by stuff though, not sure what (if anything) I would have done differently if I'd been town my first game.

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I'll disagree with you on this so I can agree with you later. ;D

This is the least Faust thing that this Faust has ever Fausted.
This.

same question to you: why?
faust's posts are normally very focused. They all seem to have a purpose (regardless of his alignment) e.g. moving the game forward, scumhunting, some unknown manipulation or plan.
An early reads post with most people being null just seems out of character for him. I recall there was some game I played not too long ago where I really came down hard on someone for making a super early reads post that seemed to serve little purpose. Was it Deleuze, hugo? I can't remember; I'm pretty certain they turned out to be scum that game though. Guess this is what happens when I take a break.

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #306 on: October 16, 2015, 02:39:19 pm »

I can't remember... Is wanting to lynch newbies a town tell or a scumtell? If I can't remember that probably means it is neither.

But really I think it was a tow tell cause mafia wouldn't want to risk the wrath of town being upset that you would want to lynch a newbie. I think robs came up with that and it turned out it was generally correct.

Robz wanted to lynch a newbie in M10, my first game.  We lynched him for it because we thought it was scummy.  I was town, so was he.

Since then, we've always given newbies a pass early in the game, and due to that, there's always been a "play up your newbieness" thing for newbie scum.

Ah, I'm not sure I agree. We often give newbie town passes because newbie town does some stuff that is really hard to fake as newbie scum (see: Roadrunner in thsi game). I think we manage to catch newbie scum fairly often. "Playing up newbieness"is often mentioned, but can you point me to a single game where that was a thing?

it was a thing in Samuri 2? Where I was scum with Robz and Ichi. We specifically told Ichi to play up his newbiness, but to do so carefully.... But in general I don't think it is much of a thing, especially after that game where people began to be more aware of players potentially being coached to do it.
Yeah. I remember that. It worked pretty good for a while--especially I recall Robz helped keep me alive by saying that we shouldn't lynch newbies early on. I do recall getting some suspicion eventually for it though. I agree that I don't think it's a very common strat any more. I was pretty lost in my first game though.

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #307 on: October 16, 2015, 02:45:19 pm »

That's legit, but I didn't feel like faust's reads list had no purpose. I might be wrong though, faust has fooled me twice recently (one time was by being town when I thought he was scum, that was nasty of him.)

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #308 on: October 16, 2015, 02:46:32 pm »

That's legit, but I didn't feel like faust's reads list had no purpose. I might be wrong though, faust has fooled me twice recently (one time was by being town when I thought he was scum, that was nasty of him.)

I put a lot of effort into successfully managing to be town in that game.
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #309 on: October 16, 2015, 02:47:21 pm »

That's legit, but I didn't feel like faust's reads list had no purpose. I might be wrong though, faust has fooled me twice recently (one time was by being town when I thought he was scum, that was nasty of him.)

We can lynch your or Faust.  What's your preference?
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #310 on: October 16, 2015, 02:48:02 pm »

WW, can you explain what is so suspicious about faust's play? Seems fine to me.

Early on I felt, man Faust has not really done anything, but it was early.  Then he got a wagon on him fast and seemingly without reason, which he didn't really react to (or at least he felt particularly absent).  It's an early wagon and no reason to think it would result in a lynch, but I think scum is more likely to not say a lot and let it fizzle than town is.  Also, it's the kind of thing Faust usually says a lot about.  Then possible issues with Haddock.  And Faust's reads list, which just feels scummy.

I never really considered the votes on me a "wagon"; they were just a bunch of uncorrelated RVS votes. I think I would have said more about it if I were scum... but then again, who am I to judge?

Haddock I agree was a bit weird, well, I can do nothing about it, I'm still town. I don't know why my reads list got so much attention; I usually do this... I guess I didn't cross off people? Mostly I cross off people. I just had town reads on some players and thought I could share them. And while doing that I thought I could also try to find out whether I already have some reads on the other players.
Ah ok. I missed this when I made my other post. I never really interpreted faust's read list as scummy for him, just different than what I normally see him post.
I've been away for a while though, so maybe people have changed some.

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #311 on: October 16, 2015, 02:49:39 pm »

That's legit, but I didn't feel like faust's reads list had no purpose. I might be wrong though, faust has fooled me twice recently (one time was by being town when I thought he was scum, that was nasty of him.)

We can lynch your or Faust.  What's your preference?

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #312 on: October 16, 2015, 03:04:25 pm »

It is clearly a typo and not a grammatical issue.

We can lynch you or Faust. 
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #313 on: October 16, 2015, 03:05:39 pm »

It is clearly a typo and not a grammatical issue.

We can lynch you or Faust.

we can also lynch a whole bunch of other people.

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #314 on: October 16, 2015, 03:06:19 pm »

I could vote for faust... people have said they agreed with me about jimmmm but no actual love there... sad face

vote: faust for being a hipster and for posting a reads list (which I felt was out of character as others have said) and then not using said reads list when voting for gkrieg. Shows that the reads list was just a piece of fluff and basically made up. You know who else makes stuff up?
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #315 on: October 16, 2015, 03:06:41 pm »

This conversation has slipped away from me again. I'm not going to vote until real evidence is presented.
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #316 on: October 16, 2015, 03:06:49 pm »

It is clearly a typo and not a grammatical issue.

We can lynch you or Faust.

obviously you want to lynch faust. you alliteration people should stick together!
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #317 on: October 16, 2015, 03:07:09 pm »

This conversation has slipped away from me again. I'm not going to vote until real evidence is presented.

what is "real" evidence in your opinion?
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #318 on: October 16, 2015, 03:07:30 pm »

It is clearly a typo and not a grammatical issue.

We can lynch you or Faust.

obviously you want to lynch faust. you alliteration people should stick together!
I second that.
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #319 on: October 16, 2015, 03:17:37 pm »

This conversation has slipped away from me again. I'm not going to vote until real evidence is presented.

you're never going to vote until a cop has a guilty result on someone?

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #320 on: October 16, 2015, 03:19:13 pm »

This conversation has slipped away from me again. I'm not going to vote until real evidence is presented.

you're never going to vote until a cop has a guilty result on someone?
I didn't say proof, I said evidence.
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #321 on: October 16, 2015, 03:19:24 pm »

It is clearly a typo and not a grammatical issue.

We can lynch you or Faust.

we can also lynch a whole bunch of other people.

So you're his partner?
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #322 on: October 16, 2015, 03:19:49 pm »

It is clearly a typo and not a grammatical issue.

We can lynch you or Faust.

we can also lynch a whole bunch of other people.

So you're his partner?

presumably one of his many town partners

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #323 on: October 16, 2015, 03:22:21 pm »

This conversation has slipped away from me again. I'm not going to vote until real evidence is presented.

you're never going to vote until a cop has a guilty result on someone?
I didn't say proof, I said evidence.
and now you taught me something about the English language!

That said, I doubt that a day-1 lynch will likely be more than, mh, maybe 1,3 times as likely to hit scum as a random lynch?

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #324 on: October 16, 2015, 03:24:48 pm »

This conversation has slipped away from me again. I'm not going to vote until real evidence is presented.

you're never going to vote until a cop has a guilty result on someone?
I didn't say proof, I said evidence.
and now you taught me something about the English language!

That said, I doubt that a day-1 lynch will likely be more than, mh, maybe 1,3 times as likely to hit scum as a random lynch?
My statement still stands for now. Vote: no vote.
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