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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1000 on: October 29, 2015, 11:55:34 am »

I feel good about voting for people whose names start with 'H.'
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1001 on: October 29, 2015, 12:00:09 pm »

In 2v1v1, the odds of town winning the game are 11%.
Yeah sorry, it didn't occur to me in that situation that there's a possibility the scum will kill each other. 
Forget what I said then.

OK, so assuming noone wants to counterclaim, we have our IC.  gkrieg, what are your reads on people?  I think it'll be good to have some stated reads out there that we know come from a town source.

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1002 on: October 29, 2015, 12:27:17 pm »

I'll get to this when I'm at a laptop.
:)

I feel good about voting for people whose names start with 'H.'
Remind me what Hydrad has done that's scummy?  Ichi, that's you too; if you'd rather not say don't worry, I'll reread him at some point. 

Other than just not being on yuma's wagon, of course - if we lynch anyone for that it surely has to be RR.
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1003 on: October 29, 2015, 12:28:34 pm »

Wait Ichi, sorry, I somehow completely missed your reasons for voting Hydrad.  In which case I guess RR's reasons are the same as those.  Forget everything.

In which case yeah I could kinda get behind a Hydrad vote.  I definitely need to have a proper reread, I promise I'll get to it at some point.
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1004 on: October 29, 2015, 12:45:39 pm »

Haddock, almost everyone had said that Yuma played really well. I don't know how valid it is to vote for me because of Yuma.
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1005 on: October 29, 2015, 12:58:37 pm »

Haddock, almost everyone had said that Yuma played really well. I don't know how valid it is to vote for me because of Yuma.
Notice that I'm not voting for you.

Read what I said; my statement was:

If we lynch someone, we need a reason better than "They weren't on the Yuma wagon".  If that were our only reason to lynch someone then it would have to be you since your behaviour re. the yuma wagon was weirdest.
I never said that not being on the yuma wagon was a reason to vote somebody.

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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1006 on: October 29, 2015, 01:00:43 pm »

I'll get to this when I'm at a laptop.

What's wrong with desktops?
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1007 on: October 29, 2015, 01:01:07 pm »

OK so now I'm rereading what I said and can interpret it either way.  When I said:

if we lynch anyone for that it surely has to be RR.

I meant what I described above, namely:
if we were to lynch anyone for that it would only make sense for it to be RR.
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1008 on: October 29, 2015, 02:16:30 pm »

I'll get to this when I'm at a laptop.

What's wrong with desktops?

You need a desk
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1009 on: October 29, 2015, 02:44:01 pm »

Ok this is the reads list I have compiled. 

3. Roadrunner7671 - I don't think ash would have gone for him so hard D1, and I just don't think he is scum.
5. gkrieg13 - cop
13. Chairs - hammered Ash and voted in a towny spot on the yuma wagon.

6. Haddock - Seems like the SK to me.  Mainly the way that he wanted to hammer yuma, but didn't want to seem like he wanted to hammer.  He has also seemed scummy to me all game, but the partner interaction doesn't fit.

7. Awaclus - He would have been bussed by both yuma and ash.  The only way I think they could be partners is if yuma was trying the whole SK gambit to distance himself from Awaclus, saying he would kill him in the night.  This is possible but Awaclus gets a null from me.  He is the other option for SK.

9. Hydrad - off wagon for both of the scum lynches.  He is the scum partner in my eyes.  So much so that vote: Hydrad
10. Ichimaru Gin - Definitely not the SK.  He is the other option for the partner.


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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1010 on: October 29, 2015, 02:52:32 pm »

Awaclus gets a null from me.

I mean, I guess I could be the SK from your perspective, but surely it should be pretty clear by now that I'm not mafia. Not just because both ash and yuma were voting for me — that's actually fairly insignificant because at no point I was going to get lynched anyway — but because I was voting for both of them, somewhat actively pushing the lynches too, and never left their wagons even though there were lots of chances presented and it could have made the difference too.
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1011 on: October 29, 2015, 02:53:43 pm »

Awaclus gets a null from me.

I mean, I guess I could be the SK from your perspective, but surely it should be pretty clear by now that I'm not mafia. Not just because both ash and yuma were voting for me — that's actually fairly insignificant because at no point I was going to get lynched anyway — but because I was voting for both of them, somewhat actively pushing the lynches too, and never left their wagons even though there were lots of chances presented and it could have made the difference too.

Sorry the null is just from SK.  I'm pretty positive the third scum is between hydrad and IG.
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1012 on: October 29, 2015, 02:57:23 pm »

Also, is your mafia read on Hydrad significantly stronger than your SK read on Haddock? Because if not, it'd be better to vote for the SK since the SK is strictly more powerful than the mafia.
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1013 on: October 29, 2015, 03:14:43 pm »

Also, is your mafia read on Hydrad significantly stronger than your SK read on Haddock? Because if not, it'd be better to vote for the SK since the SK is strictly more powerful than the mafia.

Why more powerful?
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1014 on: October 29, 2015, 03:15:40 pm »

Immunity to the mafia NK.  Figured it out.
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1015 on: October 29, 2015, 03:16:01 pm »

I am torn between Haddock and Hydrad. IG is a SK suspect for me.

How much time is left in this day?

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1016 on: October 29, 2015, 03:16:31 pm »

Chairs could also be SK.  I didn't look at him from that perspective.
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1017 on: October 29, 2015, 07:51:49 pm »

Did I really show reluctance to hammer yuma?  I don't feel like I did, I made it pretty clear I wanted to hammer him as soon as his weird claim thing happened, we just waited around for some noncontributing players to say something before I hammered.  And then RR pulled out.

On which note: 
I'm really struggling to not find RR scummy.  Everyone sees him as towny, but his behaviour re. yuma was really weird, and in fact he's done some weird things throughout.  But nothing I could actually label as outright scummy, so idk.  Partly I'm just annoyed by his apparent blind determination to see me lynched, it's kinda difficult for me to see past that so I'm not particularly objective.

Given that lack of objectivity I guess I would agree that my favourite lynch candidate is Hydrad; I hadn't fully processed that he was off-wagon for both lynches.  But I'm not going to put him at L-1 just now, that would seem fairly reckless.
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1018 on: October 29, 2015, 08:36:22 pm »

Immunity to the mafia NK.  Figured it out.
Uh. Not necessarily unless I'm missing something.
It's just the SK can kill and also block PRs.

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1019 on: October 29, 2015, 08:40:27 pm »

I consider everyone (aside from gkrieg) as a possiblity for the SK. I think it'll be harder to pin them down since they don't have two dead partners
who we can analyze. I'd probably start with reviewing everyone's reaction to yuma's claim.
I'll be happy lynching any scum today though.

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1020 on: October 29, 2015, 08:41:23 pm »

Also why does everyone want to lynch Haddock this game? Was there a case back there or something that I missed?

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1021 on: October 29, 2015, 09:29:05 pm »

oh... This is looking bad for me...

hmm I'm not scum. Don't do it. hows that for a defence
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
« Reply #1022 on: October 29, 2015, 09:30:18 pm »

oh... i thought that hydrad had already posted...

one thing that helps me maybe is this post? If I was his partner would yuma forget about me? I guess it could be faked but that is an odd thing to fake I think.
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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
« Reply #1023 on: October 30, 2015, 01:11:58 pm »

oh... i thought that hydrad had already posted...

one thing that helps me maybe is this post? If I was his partner would yuma forget about me? I guess it could be faked but that is an odd thing to fake I think.
Uh. I'm not convinced that the only scum narrative for you is Mafia. Lurking here seems to have worked out quite well for you so far.

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Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
« Reply #1024 on: October 30, 2015, 01:20:51 pm »

oh... i thought that hydrad had already posted...

one thing that helps me maybe is this post? If I was his partner would yuma forget about me? I guess it could be faked but that is an odd thing to fake I think.
Uh. I'm not convinced that the only scum narrative for you is Mafia. Lurking here seems to have worked out quite well for you so far.

Oh you think I'm potentially SK also? this is trouble.

hmm...
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