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Dominions cards - buy
« on: September 09, 2015, 07:55:47 am »
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Hello @all,

I really get nerved right now.
Why?

I wanted to buy all those cards in the browser Version; 45 $.
But I cant, buying cards in this kind of Dominion are not longer available.

Is there someone who are able to give me his account (yes, I would pay)?

Pls let me know in PM.
Maybe other hints u have in mind.

Thx u so much.
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Re: Dominions cards - buy
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2015, 08:12:35 am »
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Hello @all,

I really get nerved right now.
Why?

I wanted to buy all those cards in the browser Version; 45 $.
But I cant, buying cards in this kind of Dominion are not longer available.

Is there someone who are able to give me his account (yes, I would pay)?

Pls let me know in PM.
Maybe other hints u have in mind.

Thx u so much.

Unfortunately, the current browser version of Dominion Online is deprecated -- it's still available currently to play, but not for much longer. The new version has already been released as a downloadable client (playdominion.com has the download link), and will be available in a browser version later also. In this version, the cards are available for purchase.
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Re: Dominions cards - buy
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2015, 08:20:13 am »
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Hello @all,

I really get nerved right now.
Why?

I wanted to buy all those cards in the browser Version; 45 $.
But I cant, buying cards in this kind of Dominion are not longer available.

Is there someone who are able to give me his account (yes, I would pay)?

Pls let me know in PM.
Maybe other hints u have in mind.

Thx u so much.

Unfortunately, the current browser version of Dominion Online is deprecated -- it's still available currently to play, but not for much longer. The new version has already been released as a downloadable client (playdominion.com has the download link), and will be available in a browser version later also. In this version, the cards are available for purchase.
I know, but if u remember the old Price (45$) ... now the Price is sth about 90$.
But if u had paid the cards in the old Version the admin are able to convert it to ur account in the new (beta) Version, so that all Cards u buyed before are now available.
Is there any possibility to buy all These Cards for 45$?
Maybe someone has an old account?
Pls let me know.
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Re: Dominions cards - buy
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2015, 08:20:19 am »
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If you buy the cards on the new version and message the people from Making Fun, they will manually transfer your cards to the Goko web client.

http://forum.makingfun.com/showthread.php?7327-Purchasing-an-expansion-and-the-old-version-of-Dominion

EDIT: what you're suggesting may not be legal.
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Re: Dominions cards - buy
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2015, 08:29:22 am »
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Yeah, unfortunately you can't buy and sell accounts.

I would just pick up the expansions one at a time. At least on Goko, this only worked out to being $6 or $7 more than buying them all at once. It makes it easier to learn all the cards and it helps smooth out the effect on your wallet. With the new pricing structure this might not be as economical.
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Re: Dominions cards - buy
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2015, 08:34:26 am »
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How much do the expansions cost individually now?

Is DA still the most expensive?
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Re: Dominions cards - buy
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2015, 08:37:47 am »
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How much do the expansions cost individually now?

Is DA still the most expensive?
The old Price: 45 $
the new Price: ca. 90 $

But, all People who paid before can talk to the admin and he will copy all those Cards in the new Version FOR FREE.

So I asked to have all those Cards in the old Version, but they are not longer available.
And so I asked here what I might gonna do here.
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Re: Dominions cards - buy
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2015, 08:42:31 am »
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You are out of luck.  You cannot buy the cards in the old version anymore.
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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2015, 08:45:51 am »
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You are out of luck.  You cannot buy the cards in the old version anymore.
That´s what I dont wanna read ...
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Re: Dominions cards - buy
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2015, 09:10:29 am »
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If you buy from another EU citizen MF would be in breach of EU law if they decided to intervene (see Oracle vs. UsedSoft ruling, Wikipedia).

I'm not sure whether I want to sell my account but I'm seriously fed up with their joke of a software so feel free to pm me an offer and I'll at least think about it.
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Re: Dominions cards - buy
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2015, 10:52:37 am »
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This is really no different than any other product or service that used to cost one amount, but now costs more. A few months ago you could have bought something for $45, and if you did you'd still have it. Now the same thing costs you $90. It sucks if you missed your chance to get it cheaper, but it happens all the time, and isn't something unique to Making Fun. Same thing can happen in the opposite direction... you bought something for $1000 when it came out, and a couple months later the exact same thing now only costs $700. You should have waited, but you had no way of knowing. It could have just as easily gone up to $1500 instead of going down.
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Re: Dominions cards - buy
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2015, 10:54:28 am »
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We'll, you could argue that the product being worse after the prize increase is a difference.
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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2015, 11:06:01 am »
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We'll, you could argue that the product being worse after the prize increase is a difference.

True; in fact it's really a different product. If anything, I see this as an issue of paying for something and then not getting to keep that thing. People who payed for the browser version of Dominion will soon no longer be allowed to play the game that they paid money to play. As a consolation, they get "free" access to a different/similar game that normally costs more than what they paid. But still, if I had paid any money for the Goko version, I'd be pretty upset that I won't be allowed to keep the thing that I bought.
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2015, 12:28:10 pm »
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True; in fact it's really a different product. If anything, I see this as an issue of paying for something and then not getting to keep that thing.

Except it's not a physical thing. It's not even analogous to a "non-physical" thing like an eBook or an MP3, both of which can be perpetually kept independent of who you purchased them from (unless you're buying DRM-laden crap that phones home or something).

Online Dominion is more like a license to use a service (like Spotify). Except in this case instead of a monthly fee, there's a perpetual license. One significant downside to the perpetual license pricing model is when the service goes away sooner than you anticipated.

When doing a cost/benefit analysis you should make a reasonable assumption about how long the service will be around and be of use to you. Expecting it to be around forever isn't reasonable, but I'm not sure what the bounds of "reasonableness" are for something like an online game.

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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2015, 02:31:08 pm »
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So what you're saying is that I should base whether I make my investment on the track record of the group I'd have the license with? Hmmmm..
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2015, 03:40:29 pm »
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True; in fact it's really a different product. If anything, I see this as an issue of paying for something and then not getting to keep that thing.

Except it's not a physical thing. It's not even analogous to a "non-physical" thing like an eBook or an MP3, both of which can be perpetually kept independent of who you purchased them from (unless you're buying DRM-laden crap that phones home or something).

Online Dominion is more like a license to use a service (like Spotify). Except in this case instead of a monthly fee, there's a perpetual license. One significant downside to the perpetual license pricing model is when the service goes away sooner than you anticipated.

When doing a cost/benefit analysis you should make a reasonable assumption about how long the service will be around and be of use to you. Expecting it to be around forever isn't reasonable, but I'm not sure what the bounds of "reasonableness" are for something like an online game.

This is true, and I guess that part of my point is that it doesn't make sense to pay a one-time fee for a service that can become unusable. Unless that one-time fee were so small that it were the same as just paying monthly for a couple of months.
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2015, 05:50:40 pm »
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I was just getting ready to post a new thread, but I saw this one and I think my question fits pretty well here.

I've posted the following on the Making Fun forum, but I thought I might get a quicker/better answer here:

A friend has asked how much it would cost to have access to all the cards.  However, I cannot seem to find the prices for the sets (and individual promo cards) anywhere, because I already own them all (purchased when they were first available on the original implementation).

Could you please provide a breakdown of the cost of each set and each promo card, as well as any package deals that may be available?
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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2015, 09:34:56 pm »
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David answered my question (Thanks, David!) on the Making Fun forum.  Here is his reply, with some clarifying additions by me:

Promo cards (there are 6) are 15 Ducats each.

These expansions are 75 Ducats: Alchemy, Cornucopia, Guilds.

These are 150 Ducats: Hinterlands, Intrigue, Prosperity, Seaside.

Dark Ages is 200 Ducats.

Ducat costs are as below. Completing your collection in one go (1115 Ducats) is $89.99 USD (leaving you 85 Ducats left over).

15 Ducats = $1.99 USD
80 Ducats = $7.99 USD
160 Ducats = $14.99 USD
450 Ducats = $39.99 USD
700 Ducats = $59.99 USD
1200 Ducats = $89.99 USD
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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2015, 12:16:23 am »
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Man, I know Goko did this too, but having a fake little currency that forces you to overspend on what you want to buy is a really garbage move on Making Fun's part. It's adding insult to the injury of doubling their prices while reducing the game quality.
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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2015, 04:52:16 am »
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Man, I know Goko did this too, but having a fake little currency that forces you to overspend on what you want to buy is a really garbage move on Making Fun's part. It's adding insult to the injury of doubling their prices while reducing the game quality.
totally SIGN!

I really pissed of, that I can´t buy the cards for the old price. BUT I can still play in the old version.
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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2015, 04:54:10 am »
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David answered my question (Thanks, David!) on the Making Fun forum.  Here is his reply, with some clarifying additions by me:

Promo cards (there are 6) are 15 Ducats each.

These expansions are 75 Ducats: Alchemy, Cornucopia, Guilds.

These are 150 Ducats: Hinterlands, Intrigue, Prosperity, Seaside.

Dark Ages is 200 Ducats.

Ducat costs are as below. Completing your collection in one go (1115 Ducats) is $89.99 USD (leaving you 85 Ducats left over).

15 Ducats = $1.99 USD
80 Ducats = $7.99 USD
160 Ducats = $14.99 USD
450 Ducats = $39.99 USD
700 Ducats = $59.99 USD
1200 Ducats = $89.99 USD

Btw: the price for the cards in the browser-version cost 45 $.
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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2015, 08:51:42 am »
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If DA is 200 Ducats, I wonder if Adventures will cost the same. For people with no Ducats in their account, that would come out to $21. A bit pricey, but I am willing to pay that if they can actually get the thing to work nicely and not be slow.
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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2015, 11:07:30 am »
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If DA is 200 Ducats, I wonder if Adventures will cost the same. For people with no Ducats in their account, that would come out to $21. A bit pricey, but I am willing to pay that if they can actually get the thing to work nicely and not be slow.

I wonder if they'll get a decent working version of Adventures up while I am still alive to play it. I'm in my early 40s and in fair to middling health.

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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2015, 11:47:36 am »
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Man, I know Goko did this too, but having a fake little currency that forces you to overspend on what you want to buy is a really garbage move on Making Fun's part. It's adding insult to the injury of doubling their prices while reducing the game quality.

As libertarian as I generally am, I might actually support regulations that makes virtual currencies illegal under the same reasoning as other scams and false advertisements are. People should have a right to a clear view of how much a product or service actually costs, without being forced to go through a system designed to hide what you're really spending.
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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2015, 12:22:27 pm »
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Man, I know Goko did this too, but having a fake little currency that forces you to overspend on what you want to buy is a really garbage move on Making Fun's part. It's adding insult to the injury of doubling their prices while reducing the game quality.

As libertarian as I generally am, I might actually support regulations that makes virtual currencies illegal under the same reasoning as other scams and false advertisements are. People should have a right to a clear view of how much a product or service actually costs, without being forced to go through a system designed to hide what you're really spending.

You're not forced to do business with the company at all though.  You are free to walk away.  Capitalism is handling this issue on its own, Hearthstone lets you buy products for cash directly in an upfront manner and is meeting wild success.

Are you sure you're a libertarian?  If there's any dishonesty regarding the virtual currency, sure, that's an issue, but when a company tries to jerk you around and play games with you, you don't need the government, vote with your dollar.
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« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2015, 12:38:10 pm »
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Man, I know Goko did this too, but having a fake little currency that forces you to overspend on what you want to buy is a really garbage move on Making Fun's part. It's adding insult to the injury of doubling their prices while reducing the game quality.

As libertarian as I generally am, I might actually support regulations that makes virtual currencies illegal under the same reasoning as other scams and false advertisements are. People should have a right to a clear view of how much a product or service actually costs, without being forced to go through a system designed to hide what you're really spending.

You're not forced to do business with the company at all though.  You are free to walk away.  Capitalism is handling this issue on its own, Hearthstone lets you buy products for cash directly in an upfront manner and is meeting wild success.

Are you sure you're a libertarian?  If there's any dishonesty regarding the virtual currency, sure, that's an issue, but when a company tries to jerk you around and play games with you, you don't need the government, vote with your dollar.

The point of the "as libertarian as I am" opening is that I know that what followed was contrary to libertarian views. Like if I were to say "as conservative as I am, I voted democrat recently". And I did say "might". Yes I'd much rather see the market correct it, but it doesn't seem to be happening. Scams and false advertisements are already illegal, and this seems like a form of that.
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« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2015, 12:43:01 pm »
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You're not forced to do business with the company at all though.  You are free to walk away.  Capitalism is handling this issue on its own, Hearthstone lets you buy products for cash directly in an upfront manner and is meeting wild success.

If by "handling this issue on its own" you mean replacing iso first by Goko and then by MF, then, yes, it's doing an excellent job.
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« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2015, 12:58:03 pm »
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As libertarian as I generally am, I might actually support regulations that makes virtual currencies illegal under the same reasoning as other scams and false advertisements are. People should have a right to a clear view of how much a product or service actually costs, without being forced to go through a system designed to hide what you're really spending.

But what about free-to-suck-at-it MMORPGs etc, where you can buy in-game currency with real money?
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« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2015, 01:04:14 pm »
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You're not forced to do business with the company at all though.  You are free to walk away.  Capitalism is handling this issue on its own, Hearthstone lets you buy products for cash directly in an upfront manner and is meeting wild success.

If by "handling this issue on its own" you mean replacing iso first by Goko and then by MF, then, yes, it's doing an excellent job.

Speaking of capitalism handling this issue on its own, I'm secretly hoping that someone with a lot of free time on their hands and ample coding skills steps up and creates another Dominion client for the old price.

Which is part of the reason why I haven't purchased any expansions lately (I have 2 from Goko).
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« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2015, 01:12:58 pm »
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That would be more like anarchy taking control because MF holds the exclusive license for online Dominion.
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« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2015, 01:22:51 pm »
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Isn't there a Japanese one available for free? It only had Base and Intrigue the last time I tried it, though.
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« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2015, 01:23:44 pm »
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You're not forced to do business with the company at all though.  You are free to walk away.  Capitalism is handling this issue on its own, Hearthstone lets you buy products for cash directly in an upfront manner and is meeting wild success.

If by "handling this issue on its own" you mean replacing iso first by Goko and then by MF, then, yes, it's doing an excellent job.

Speaking of capitalism handling this issue on its own, I'm secretly hoping that someone with a lot of free time on their hands and ample coding skills steps up and creates another Dominion client for the old price.

Which is part of the reason why I haven't purchased any expansions lately (I have 2 from Goko).

The only easy and moral thing to do is to hack Isotropic and steal the source code; then host it somewhere else.
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« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2015, 01:30:22 pm »
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« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2015, 01:31:13 pm »
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Man, I know Goko did this too, but having a fake little currency that forces you to overspend on what you want to buy is a really garbage move on Making Fun's part. It's adding insult to the injury of doubling their prices while reducing the game quality.

As libertarian as I generally am, I might actually support regulations that makes virtual currencies illegal under the same reasoning as other scams and false advertisements are. People should have a right to a clear view of how much a product or service actually costs, without being forced to go through a system designed to hide what you're really spending.
I agree that ducats or whatever are garbage, but virtual currencies, man, they're all virtual.
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« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2015, 01:38:53 pm »
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Man, I know Goko did this too, but having a fake little currency that forces you to overspend on what you want to buy is a really garbage move on Making Fun's part. It's adding insult to the injury of doubling their prices while reducing the game quality.

As libertarian as I generally am, I might actually support regulations that makes virtual currencies illegal under the same reasoning as other scams and false advertisements are. People should have a right to a clear view of how much a product or service actually costs, without being forced to go through a system designed to hide what you're really spending.
I agree that ducats or whatever are garbage, but virtual currencies, man, they're all virtual.

I think I used the wrong terminology; I didn't mean virtual currency like in-game currency. Ban Coppers and Golds in Dominion! No, I meant when you have to purchase an in-between currency which does nothing but buy stuff that you should be able to just buy with real money instead.
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« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2015, 02:22:34 pm »
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No, I think Donald knew what you meant. He was pointing out that the concept of money, any money, is virtual and oh god what is reality and suddenly the meaning of life oh no!
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« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2015, 03:09:47 pm »
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No, I think Donald knew what you meant. He was pointing out that the concept of money, any money, is virtual and oh god what is reality and suddenly the meaning of life oh no!

You mean dollars aren't standard units of measure like meters and grams?  WHAT HAVE I BEEN DOING WITH MY LIFE
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« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2015, 03:25:48 pm »
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They were, in a sense. At least for the duration of the Bretton-Woods monetary system.
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« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2015, 03:37:16 pm »
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Man, I know Goko did this too, but having a fake little currency that forces you to overspend on what you want to buy is a really garbage move on Making Fun's part. It's adding insult to the injury of doubling their prices while reducing the game quality.

As libertarian as I generally am, I might actually support regulations that makes virtual currencies illegal under the same reasoning as other scams and false advertisements are. People should have a right to a clear view of how much a product or service actually costs, without being forced to go through a system designed to hide what you're really spending.
I agree that ducats or whatever are garbage, but virtual currencies, man, they're all virtual.

I think I used the wrong terminology; I didn't mean virtual currency like in-game currency. Ban Coppers and Golds in Dominion! No, I meant when you have to purchase an in-between currency which does nothing but buy stuff that you should be able to just buy with real money instead.

I think it's worth pointing out that Microsoft (after much criticism) did away with their virtual currency two years ago.

I think it makes sense in settings where you can earn "in-game money" through game play OR by simply buying it with real money. But if there's no way to earn in-game currency short of spending real money then it's kind of pointless.
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« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2015, 03:46:11 pm »
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It's not pointless.  It's great for wringing a bit more money out of your customers that some of them don't realize they are spending and others of them are annoyed by!
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« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2015, 03:53:12 pm »
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It's not pointless.  It's great for wringing a bit more money out of your customers that some of them don't realize they are spending and others of them are annoyed by!

The next step in their banking aspiration will be to periodically charge our credit cards for the service of keeping our unused Ducats readily available and safe.
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« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2015, 04:17:32 pm »
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It's not pointless.  It's great for wringing a bit more money out of your customers that some of them don't realize they are spending and others of them are annoyed by!

The next step in their banking aspiration will be to periodically charge our credit cards for the service of keeping our unused Ducats readily available and safe.

Storing those Ducat numbers takes up space!  And they probably have to send it back and forth a bunch of times every time you do anything.  You expect them to provide the valuable service of tracking your leftover Ducat change for free?
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« Reply #42 on: September 10, 2015, 04:27:30 pm »
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It's not pointless.  It's great for wringing a bit more money out of your customers that some of them don't realize they are spending and others of them are annoyed by!

The next step in their banking aspiration will be to periodically charge our credit cards for the service of keeping our unused Ducats readily available and safe.

Storing those Ducat numbers takes up space!  And they probably have to send it back and forth a bunch of times every time you do anything.  You expect them to provide the valuable service of tracking your leftover Ducat change for free?

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« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2015, 04:21:34 pm »
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Man, I know Goko did this too, but having a fake little currency that forces you to overspend on what you want to buy is a really garbage move on Making Fun's part. It's adding insult to the injury of doubling their prices while reducing the game quality.
Just realized I missed this earlier:

Goko was actually *better* than this - 1 Gokoin always cost ten cents regardless of how many you bought at once. MF's price model is more exploitative.
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« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2015, 04:27:31 pm »
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Man, I know Goko did this too, but having a fake little currency that forces you to overspend on what you want to buy is a really garbage move on Making Fun's part. It's adding insult to the injury of doubling their prices while reducing the game quality.
Just realized I missed this earlier:

Goko was actually *better* than this - 1 Gokoin always cost ten cents regardless of how many you bought at once. MF's price model is more exploitative.

Well Goko also made sets cost different amounts of Gokoins based on how you bundled them together. They may have fixed it at some point, but at one point, in order to pay the least possible for all sets combined, you had to purchase some specific bundles and some specific individual sets; because it cost more to just buy the "everything" bundle.
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« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2015, 04:38:50 pm »
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They did fix that later after everyone complained, fyi.
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« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2015, 04:56:08 pm »
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But didn't they fix it by making individual sets more expensive so that the cheapest option was the all-in-one?
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« Reply #47 on: September 11, 2015, 05:04:32 pm »
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But didn't they fix it by making individual sets more expensive so that the cheapest option was the all-in-one?

Possibly, but that's not what we're talking about - that's just old-fashioned raising prices, which is different from hiding/shady prices.

Look, you'll get no disagreement from me that Goko sucked, I just want to be precise about why and how they sucked.  :)
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« Reply #48 on: September 12, 2015, 03:25:56 am »
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I think the idea behind the all sets bundle was that it also came with a ton of useless crap (like Zaps or something I think), so you also had to pay for that.
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« Reply #49 on: September 12, 2015, 09:11:10 am »
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I bought the sets this year from Goko and it did not include anything besides the actual sets anymore (no zaps etc)
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« Reply #50 on: September 12, 2015, 09:16:18 am »
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Jeff replied in the MF forums to a question of mine, and said that they'll be getting rid of Ducats for at least mobile platforms.

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