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[mail-mi]

Welcome to Mafia 66, Donald's Greater Idea Mafia 2!

Setup Information in second post.

Mods: mail-mi, Umbrage

Signups:
1. gkrieg13
2. EgorK
3. chairs
4. QuickSync
5. XerxesPraelor
6. silverspawn
7. Hydrad
8. Joseph2302
9. Axxle
10. faust
11. hockeyselman
12.
13.
...

This game follows the Rules of Mafia, with the following changes:

-All Night actions are due 1 hour before the night deadline.
-If there are more than 10 players alive or less than 6, deadlines will be 7 days. Otherwise, deadlines are 10 days. Nights are 48 hours long.
-If a deadline is hit without a majority of votes, there will be a no lynch.
-Bold, Lime green text is reserved for the mods. Things written in lime green italics are just flavor, and have no impact on the game whatsoever.
-Prods will not be sent automatically.
-You may not /out in thread. Please /out in a PM to the mod.
--If a player wants to /out, they may be replaced by anyone on D1-N1.  On D2-N2, no one from the speccy may replace the player.  After this, a player who /outs will be modkilled.

[mail-mi]

Greater Idea Mafia.

Mechanics:
-Daystart
-At the start of the game, each player will receive a PM with 2 Dominion cards. They will then choose 1 card and discard the other. That card will determine their role.
-After every player has chosen their card, if the mods deem the game to be imbalanced, then the cards will be reshuffled and re-dealt.
-Once a balanced game has been created, everyone will be PM'd the role that corresponds to their card.
-A list of all roles and their corresponding cards will be posted on D1, along with each player's discarded cards.
-The Replicant faction will not be used in this game.
-Some card-role connections are really obvious. Some are more obscure.
-Just because a card is more powerful than another does not mean the role is more powerful. The role with Scout may be more powerful than the role with Mountebank!
-Masons are not guaranteed to be town to each other--they are, however, guaranteed not to be mafia.

Also of note: All cards in the deck EXCEPT FOR THE SAULUS ROLE are being used.

Here is the list of roles and the cards they correspond with:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13g_JHb8dAMRpSN9-ndteSvH2NE8w_4GmJV-Wr_jJLqQ/edit?usp=sharing

[gkrieg13]

/in

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Curious about the setup info before ining, but what's a stormlight?  Book series?

[mail-mi]

Curious about the setup info before ining, but what's a stormlight?  Book series?

Book series.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

The way it's written right now, it looks like if 2 players choose the same role and one gets 0 votes, neither of them will end up with the PR, since the one with more votes becomes VT and the one with 0 votes becomes VT.  Is that how it's supposed to play out?

That section is really confusing.

[mail-mi]

The way it's written right now, it looks like if 2 players choose the same role and one gets 0 votes, neither of them will end up with the PR, since the one with more votes becomes VT and the one with 0 votes becomes VT.  Is that how it's supposed to play out?

That section is really confusing.

No, because the first rule is that 0's become vanilla. Then the second rule takes effect.

Yeah, took me a couple times to parse it too.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

– If there are two or more players choosing the same Power Role, the one who gets less Pre-Game Vote gets the PR and the other one remains Vanilla Townie or Mafia Goon.

This should say "fewer" Pre-Game Votes rather than "less".

And shouldn't this be M66 since College Town is already full?

Anyway, I'm nervous about the balance, so I'll just
/tag
for now.  But if this doesn't start until at least one of Buffy/College Town/Mistborn is over and a second is either almost over or I'm dead I might /in.

[Witherweaver]

– If there are two or more players choosing the same Power Role, the one who gets less Pre-Game Vote gets the PR and the other one remains Vanilla Townie or Mafia Goon.

This should say "fewer" Pre-Game Votes rather than "less".

And shouldn't this be M66 since College Town is already full?

Anyway, I'm nervous about the balance, so I'll just
/tag
for now.  But if this doesn't start until at least one of Buffy/College Town/Mistborn is over and a second is either almost over or I'm dead I might /in.

"less A than B" is satisfied when A < B. 

[mail-mi]

And shouldn't this be M66 since College Town is already full?

Changed.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

– If there are two or more players choosing the same Power Role, the one who gets less Pre-Game Vote gets the PR and the other one remains Vanilla Townie or Mafia Goon.

This should say "fewer" Pre-Game Votes rather than "less".

And shouldn't this be M66 since College Town is already full?

Anyway, I'm nervous about the balance, so I'll just
/tag
for now.  But if this doesn't start until at least one of Buffy/College Town/Mistborn is over and a second is either almost over or I'm dead I might /in.

"less A than B" is satisfied when A < B.

"Pre-game votes" are a countable object.  It's fewer.

[Witherweaver]

– If there are two or more players choosing the same Power Role, the one who gets less Pre-Game Vote gets the PR and the other one remains Vanilla Townie or Mafia Goon.

This should say "fewer" Pre-Game Votes rather than "less".

And shouldn't this be M66 since College Town is already full?

Anyway, I'm nervous about the balance, so I'll just
/tag
for now.  But if this doesn't start until at least one of Buffy/College Town/Mistborn is over and a second is either almost over or I'm dead I might /in.

"less A than B" is satisfied when A < B.

"Pre-game votes" are a countable object.  It's fewer.

You can take the prior to be a definition.  A < B makes sense for A,B in any countable set.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

You can take the prior to be a definition.  A < B makes sense for A,B in any countable set.

Math rules don't define grammar though.  Formal logic would very often be ungrammatical if just transcribed into words.

[Witherweaver]

You can take the prior to be a definition.  A < B makes sense for A,B in any countable set.

Math rules don't define grammar though.  Formal logic would very often be ungrammatical if just transcribed into words.

The point is it's a rule that need not be followed.  Why should countability matter?  The condition is the same for countable and uncountable sets.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Because votes are very definitely countable.

Are you going to /in to Mail-mi's game or just keep arguing with me about grammar?  (I'm having fun, I'm just not sure Mail-mi is.)

[Witherweaver]

But that they're countable has no relevance.  The meaning is identical for countable and uncountable objects, as long as there is an ordering.  I mean it's silly to object to "If A < B, then I have less of A than B." with "Well, not necessarily.  You could have fewer."

[UmbrageOfSnow]

The issue isn't that "less" is the opposite of "fewer," it's that votes are plural and countable.  They aren't singular or a mass noun.

It's counting agreement, not different definitions.

The same reason you say "We are arguing" instead of "We is arguing."

[Witherweaver]

The issue isn't that "less" is the opposite of "fewer," it's that votes are plural and countable.  They aren't singular or a mass noun.

It's counting agreement, not different definitions.

The same reason you say "We are arguing" instead of "We is arguing."

Less was not claimed to be the opposite of fewer.  "I have less votes than you" makes sense whether or not votes are countable.  In fact, they could be uncountable and it would mean the same thing.  You don't need to know anything about it.*  If it's important that they are countable, then  you can emphasize with "fewer", but the usage really isn't necessary.  I'm sure we can come up with easy examples where ignoring verb conjugation leads to ambiguous sentences. 

The point is it's pedantry; I don't think there is an actual reason for the rule to be there, and indeed it is often ignored. 

*I.e., it could say "I have less mass than you".

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Less mass than you is absolutely correct, and I'd yell at you for claiming to have fewer mass than me.

The point is, since when is pedantry disallowed on f.ds?

[faust]

/in

Is pre-game strategy discussion allowed?

[mail-mi]

/in

Is pre-game strategy discussion allowed?

Pre game as in before the game starts of pre game as in the pre game phase described above?

[Witherweaver]

Less mass than you is absolutely correct, and I'd yell at you for claiming to have fewer mass than me.

The point is, since when is pedantry disallowed on f.ds?

When it's lessfewer better than normal pedantry.

[faust]

/in

Is pre-game strategy discussion allowed?

Pre game as in before the game starts of pre game as in the pre game phase described above?

Before the game starts.

[faust]

Discussing about the Pre-Game phase, including the PRs and the Pre-Game Votes, in a public topic (eg. the game itself, the Queue) is strictly forbidden, however, the Mafia has Daytalk, and are allowed and encouraged to discuss their PR choices and votes.

Also, is this necessary? I have a strong dislike for posting restrictions and don't think they belong in a normal game.

[faust]

Actually, /out as long as the game still has a posting restriction.